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Former DNC chair's message for supers

Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:04 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Steve Grossman, a Clinton supporter, writes the following letter to superdelegates, urging them to make an independent decision. Here are some choice selects:

"Some commentators, observing the current deadlock between Senators Clinton and Obama as they vie for the Democratic presidential nomination, have suggested that as super delegates, our function is to be mindless tabulators of primaries and caucuses won, or popular votes amassed. Despite the super delegates' lifetimes spent working on state, national and international issues, and thinking seriously about the grave challenges, and the dangerous adversaries, facing our country, these commentators demand that we suspend our independent judgments and jettison our profound responsibilities--to the party and, frankly, to the country itself. Even though the very party rules that provide for super delegates contemplated that we would exercise those independent judgments and fulfill those responsibilities, there are those who believe that we should confine ourselves to adding up numbers.

"But super delegates were not selected by the national party to be either potted plants or rubber stamps. We were selected because under party rules that have been in place for a generation, our party concluded that we had demonstrated the ability to act as stewards of the national party--and of the national interest. By dint of our experience in the community and our public service, we were adjudged fit to fulfill a moral responsibility to act in the best interest of the country as we saw it--and to be strong enough to withstand the criticisms of those who might object to the political impact of the independent conclusions we reached."

More: "But being a super delegate is not the same as being a numbers cruncher. It is about consulting one’s conscience about what is best for the United States, and about the party that we hope will assume the leadership of the United States."

Here's the full letter:
An Open Letter to Democratic Party Super Delegates
From Steven Grossman, Former National Chairman,
Democratic National Committee

Like many Democratic activists and officials honored to have been selected as so-called super delegates to this year's Democratic national convention, I've spent most of my life engaged in the fight for the values that the  Democratic party embodies.  These values were perhaps best articulated by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in his second inaugural address: “The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

Like some of my colleagues, my commitment to the Democratic party and my passion for its most cherished principles can fairly be said to be part of my DNA. In my own case, my grandfather, father, uncle and I were all given the opportunity to serve as delegates to Democratic national conventions over the last 60 years. Indeed, my grandfather and father comprised the only "father-son" team among the delegates to the 1948 convention in Philadelphia that chose Harry Truman as the party's standard bearer. Given that family history, it will be understood how proud I was to serve first as Chairman of the Massachusetts Democratic Party and then as Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Some commentators, observing the current deadlock between Senators Clinton and Obama as they vie for the Democratic presidential nomination, have suggested that as super delegates, our function is to be mindless tabulators of primaries and caucuses won, or popular votes amassed. Despite the super delegates' lifetimes spent working on state, national and international issues, and thinking seriously about the grave challenges, and the dangerous adversaries, facing our country, these commentators demand that we suspend our independent judgments and jettison our profound responsibilities--to the party and, frankly, to the country itself. Even though the very party rules that provide for super delegates contemplated that we would exercise those independent judgments and fulfill those responsibilities, there are those who believe that we should confine ourselves to adding up numbers.

But super delegates were not selected by the national party to be either potted plants or rubber stamps. We were selected because under party rules that have been in place for a generation, our party concluded that we had demonstrated the ability to act as stewards of the national party--and of the national interest. By dint of our experience in the community and our public service, we were adjudged fit to fulfill a moral responsibility to act in the best interest of the country as we saw it--and to be strong enough to withstand the criticisms of those who might object to the political impact of the independent conclusions we reached.

Our duty to our party and our country is a fiduciary one, a sacred trust. We are obliged to regard ourselves in a real sense as trustees, charged with making conscientious judgments on behalf of the party but, more importantly, the country we care, and worry, about.

Any dispassionate analysis of the current nomination fight shows that Senators Clinton and Obama are breathtakingly close in terms of delegates won and popular vote recorded. It is likely that after the remaining primaries and caucuses have been held, the already narrow gap in delegates will shrink yet further, and the equally slim gap in popular vote will also close, with Senator Clinton having a meaningful chance to overtake Senator Obama's popular vote total altogether, particularly when the collective will of Florida’s and Michigan’s primary voters is finally taken into account. At a minimum, the nomination process must be permitted to run its full course, so that not only are the candidates' qualifications, character and positions fully vetted, but everyone who is entitled to vote is actually permitted to do so.

This means that, in the first instance, those super delegates who have not made up their minds or who have decided to remain neutral until all the votes have been cast should resist the pressure to abort the process. We are, after all, electing not a student council president but the President of the United States of America, the leader of the free world and, in real terms, the most powerful person on the planet. There is no amount of prudence and care which can possibly be excessive, under the circumstances.

But what happens after the final primaries are over in early June, when by most analyses neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Obama will have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination? If the role of super delegates is merely to assess primary and caucus results, how do they wade through the thicket created by the important questions that those results have generated?

Should caucuses, in which citizens who wish to express their choice are obliged to either show up at an appointed hour and sit in a room for up to several hours or not show up at all, be regarded as reflecting the popular will as much as primaries, where voters whose lives do not permit them to spend three hours in a locked room at the end of a workday can simply go into their local elementary school, vote and leave--like voters across the country do on the first Tuesday in November?

Should the results in states that have rarely if ever voted Democratic in a presidential election over the last half century be accorded the same weight as the results in large states that form the heart of the Democratic base, and which the Democratic presidential nominee must carry in order to win the White House?

Should primaries in which voters who are not in fact members of the Democratic party voted in significant numbers be given the same standing for the purpose of choosing the Democratic party nominee as those in which only Democrats voted?

These are difficult questions, if not impossible ones, and super delegates who see their duty as mere numbers crunchers will have a difficult time sorting out the answers.
 
But being a super delegate is not the same as being a numbers cruncher. It is about consulting one’s conscience about what is best for the United States, and about the party that we hope will assume the leadership of the United States.

I have made my own personal judgment, and that is that Senator Clinton is the better qualified, more experienced and by far the more battle-tested Democrat to lead this country in a world that is increasingly dangerous, and where the stakes simply could not be higher. Others have made a different choice, and may yet make a different choice. But for the moment, super delegates who are not committed to either candidate should resist the blandishments of those who would trivialize their roles in the nominating process, and their responsibilities to the party, and to the country, about which we care so deeply.

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Does anybody else see the "dream ticket" spin for what it really is?  It is pandering for votes from Dems who are conflicted, Dems who will then vote for Hillary because she wants Obama on her ticket, and that way they'll get both of their choices.  The Clintons don't care how they get their votes, and with this spin they don't have to actually follow through on it.  If Obama was behind and suggesting an Obama/Clinton ticket, the Clintons would slam "the inexperience and ego such a statement shows".  
It's just amazing.  All the letters and talking points aimed at spinning reality just to favor the Clinton campaign.  

Another version of 'what the meaning of "IS" is'.

Democrats do NOT owe anything to the Clintons. They carry themselves that way.
SEEING CLEARLY,  Yes, i agree,  he said obama is ready but clinton is MORE ready, sound familiar?? like   I am proud, but now I am REALLY proud,  We have to get rid of those monsters.
The Clintons are beginning to sound like closet Republicans.  

Their actions over the past few weeks look like those coming from Republican party aimed at destroying the Democratic party.  What gives?
I agree fast Eddie "do what is best for the party".
Do NOT be guilted or harrassed into voting for someone just because others are.It jsut so happens Hillary is best for the party
This is absolutely ridiculous. The Clintons have shown that they dont care. I am more upset now with Obama not fighting back and rejecting all this grabage, Richardson, Edwards, Biden , Dean and Pelosi not saying enough is enough. If Obama loses this because he doesnt fight back and she strong arms this I will vote for McCain. I am not kidding.
I stopped caring the moment you told me he's a supporter of the monster.
Wow! By that logic we shouldn't even have voting in states. What good is it to have the people vote if the super delegates overturn the will of the people. Last time I checked it was the general population that voted in the general election - not just supre delegates.

The argument tha HRC won traditionally democratic states is rather weak. If these states are going to vote democratic anyway, it shouldn't matter if HRC or OHB is the nominee. That startegy didn't work in 2000 or 2004. What makes him think that it will work this year? We need a canidate that can when red, blue, and purple states. OHB is the only one that has demonstrated that ability. For pete's sake he's already won 29 contest as opposed to her 14. What else do you want the man to do?
Nice attempt to backpeddle when we get too close to actual real domocracy. He's correct that superdelegates roles are not trivial, but he tries to trivialize their role in listening to everyone. There is bias in this letter towards Clinton based on the places that have had more significane in past elections but lost initial influence in a desperate attempt to have too much influence. Thus the attempts to change the rules mid-stream. That's old poltics. Look what happene to the country the last time Florida had too much influence, for example. America as a real democracy will start to weigh in states that have not been as active in the past elections because of the disenfranchisement that has allowed both the Democratic and Republican status quo to maintain their rule and together, cumulatively, bring out country to where it is now on the brink of disaster. The external fear card will finish this coutry off as we simeltaneuosly deny what we have done to ourselves, Hillary Clinton is nudging closer to where the Republican Administration has taken us and her desperation and the chaos and tactics demonstrated by her campaign is no good sign of pulling us out a tailspin. If we do not begin pervasive change, we will not just be protecting ourselves from the threats of the modern world, we'll continue being party to creating them. That's a pattern that sullies our ideals throughout our history and it's a pattern that needs to be broken now, not later. Smoooth letters with nice diction and good feelings about family involvement in the party for generations all to sway the superdelegates over to Clinton ain't the answer. Looking past the walls and out the windows of Washington to face reality in more fullness, the conscience of our leading inside advocates needs to open the door to true democracy, the core of which is inclusion in the process. Without this inclusion, we will notachieve the change we need. The candidate for president who best invites and embodies this core democratic principle is Barack Obama.
On the surface it appears like the letter is pro-Hillary in that the super delegates shouldn't follow hte pledged vote.  But the undertone, to me, reads as if he is trying to imply that the superdelegates can just make up their mind to support Obama right now and end the race if they feel like he is the most electable.  

Being that every Democratic up for election wants his name on the ticket, especially in the South, then why wouldn't they for the good of the party?

Oh, I forgot, Democrats don't know how to win elections so they'll continue to allow Hillary's scorched earth campaign to destroy the party during the summer and wonder how John McCain won in November.
I am a precinct delegate in IA and will be having our county convention this next Saturday.  Yesterday(Sunday night) I received 2 Robo Calls from the Clinton campaign asking for my help to elect Hillary at our county convention.  They are now asking the elected delegates to change - How low can you go?  I will forever support Barack Obama and never Hillary!
I guarantee if this election is stolen, Hillary will lose in November. There would be a riot of epic proportions at the DNC.
HERE WE GO AGAIN HILLARYS PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION WITH BULL SHIT. THIS MAN HAS NO PLACE TO TRY AND SWAY AWAY SUPERDELEGATES. HE IS A HILLARY BACKER AND TRYING TO PULL ANOTHER TRICK OUT OF THEIR HATS.

WHO THE HELL DOES HE THINK HE IS. THE DELEGATES THAT HAVE OPENLY STATED THEY BACK OBAMA HAVE DONE SO BECAUSE THEY THINK HE IS THE BEST ONE TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY. AND I AGREE.

IF SHE CAN T WIN THE DELEGATE COUNT SHE WILL TRY ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE SHE IS THE CANIDATE PERIOD. IF SHE COULD CHEAT SHE WOULD. SHE HAS A MAJOR PROBLEM HER TEMPER. SHE IS LIKE A CHILD THAT STOMPS THEIR FEET AND THROWS A FIT. UNTIL PEOPLE GIVE HER WHAT SHE WANTS.

SHE IS NO DIFFERENT THAN OBAMA WHEN IT COMES TO FORIEGN POLICY. SO WHAT THAT SHE HAS BEEN TO 80 COUNTRY HAS SHE BEEN INVOLVED IN MAJOR POLICY CHANGES FOR THIS COUNTRY NO PERIOD. THE FIRST LADY HAS NO POWER UNDER OUR LAWS TO EFFECT POLICY PERIOD. SO IF ANYONE THINKS SHE HAS THAT POWER THEY ARE FOOLING THEMSELFS. SHE IS A SELFISH CHILD WHO IF SHE DOESNT GET HER WAY THROWS A REAL PISS KIDDY FIT AND LOOK OUT WHO IS IN HER WAY.

THE PROOF WAS HER HEALTH CARE POLICY BILL HAD HER WORK ON. SHE HAD NO BUSINESS EVEN GETTING INVOLVED WITH THAT. WE DIDNT ELECT HER TO THE PRESIDENCY THAT IS THE JOB OF THE ADMINTISTRATION WHICH SHE BY LAW HAS NO BUSINESS MAKING POLICY PERIOD.

THE CLINTONS HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THEY WERE ABOVE THE LAW IN ALL THEIR DEALINGS AND IF HE ISNT CAREFUL BE MAY BE THE FIRST PRESIDENT IN JAIL. HE BETTER WATCH WHO HE HAS DEALING WITH...LIKE DUBAI, CANADA, AND A COUNTRY THAT WAS PART OF THE FORMER RUSSIAN STATE.
MAKING DEALS IN SECRET AND MAKING A PROFIT OFF DEALS THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE SHADY MONEY HE HAS RECEIVED. PARDON PEOPLE WHO LATER GAVE HIM MONEY. LIKE 700,000 DOLLARS WORTH OF STOCK HE SOLD. MONEY FROM A FORIGN GOVERNMENTS LIKE DUBAI.

KEEPING THEIR TAXES SECERT  BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE FOUND OUT BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT SLEEZES THEY ARE THAT THEY WOULD DEAL WITH THE DEVIL HIMSELF IF THEY COULD MAKE MONEY OFF HIM.

WE NEED AN OPEN GOVERNMENT AND A CLEAN GOVERNMENT THAT SHE ISNT ONE FO THEM.  SHE KEEPS BRINGING UP RESKO AND OBAMA, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDNT BE THROWING STONES. THE CLINTONS HANDS ARENT VERY CLEAN GOING BACK TO WHITEWATER, ROSE LAW FIRM.

I HOPE A PRAY WE GET A GOOD MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND JOHN MC CAIN ISNT ONE EITHER. THE ONLY ONE CLEAN OF DIRTY MONEY IS OBAMA. MAYBE HE IS A LITTLE GREEN BEHIND THE EARS BUT ID MUCH RATHER HAVE HIM BECAUSE HE IS BY FAR THE MOST OPEN AND HONEST PERSON THATS RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY.

HILLARY IS DOING EVERYTHING SHE CAN TO MAKE HIM LOOK DIRTY AND A CHEAT. REMEMBER ONE THING THE ONE THAT PROTESTS THE LOUDEST IS THE ONE WITH SOMETHING TO HIDE. AND THE ONE MAKING MISS STATEMENTS IS THE ONE WHO HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE. AND THE DIRTIST ONE IN THIS CAMPAIGN IS CLINTON....
For the 1st time in 38 years of voting I crossed the party line to vote for Barack Obama, but if the Clintons are are allowed to continue their corrupt behavior where all they care about is themselves, I will go back across the party line and will NEVER, EVER cross it again. We have an opportunity to finally end this corrpution that so many say is American Politics and we cannot allow this to be taken back away from us. Hillary Clinton, just as with Bill Clinton will polarize the Democratic Party and within 2-4 years will again lose control of both the House and Senate...IS THIS WHAT THE Super Delegates want...and don't forget this is YOU! Barack already approved this unity by getting the Ill House seat back to the Democratic side...show me one Senate/House seat where Hillary can take credit for since this primary has begun. She will do the opposite...just remember Super Delgates...if you vote against the change that Mr. Obama is bringing to the party...when you find yourself outside looking in on your next election...let's see how Hillary repays you when your head is on the block. Bill sure did for everyone when he was in there didn't he?

Also, the Clintons say they want all of the BIG STATES, but everyone knows that California and NY will go Democratic no matter if it is Barack or Hillary and if you also look at all of these big states Barack got more votes in almost every one of them than did McCain...so why would anyone thik in a General Election McCain will be able to reach outside of his normal base to attract more votes than Barack gets by reaching outside of his normal base? Plus, we also know that Hillary never gets anything outside of her normal base and won't in the general either and when she alienates all of the Barack supporters they will then either stay home or jump to McCain (I will), it won't matter what happened in these big states.

It is time to tell ALL of the Clintons THANKS, but it is time to RETIRE from American Politics...we want the corruption to end...!!  
Obama can't win the big states.
He'll lose the general election by a landslide to McCain.
he super-delegates should do what's best for the party.
Not what's best for the independents who'll run away after this election is over.
If he can't win NY, OR California, OR Texas...he can't win the general election.
Choose Hillary, or we will lose in November.
It's as simple as that.
That Grossman letter is gross.  It simply represents the audacity of arrogance.  Again, I predict that if Hillary steals this nomination, the Obama delegates will storm (not walk) out of the convention.  In large numbers, Obama supporters will either vote for Nader or stay home.  This is the Republicans' dream.  Thanks Hillary, once again you and your husband are both like  bulls in a china shop.  In blind lust for ambition, you will destroy everything.  Did you ever think that the Clintons would come to represent the corrupt and lying 'old guard', hanging on to power for dear life?  Sort of fitting, isn't it? 35 years ago, they helped to bring down Nixon and now they are so Nixonian.
Obama '08
Obama '08
I think the Democratic Leadership actually are a bunch of potted plants.  Loco-Weed, perhaps?  They are high on the power, and they think the voters are morons.

Not only that - they are "super" because they were chosen by . . . themselves . . . due to their . . . abundance of . . . cronies.  So really, instead of potted plants, they are more like parasitic strangler vines or overwhelming Kudzu that wants to take over the Presidential campaign.  Anyone got some Round-Up?
Hillary had her chance and she BLEW IT
She's acting like there's a race....
IT'S OVER

Obama is inevitable


From Huff Post:

'...Dick Morris to Clintn:  It's Over'


The real message of Tuesday's primaries is not that Hillary won. It's that she didn't win by enough.

The race is over.

The results are already clear. Obama will go to the Democratic Convention with a lead of between 100 and 200 elected delegates. The remaining question is: What will the superdelegates do then? But is that really a question? Will the leaders of the Democratic Party be complicit in its destruction? Will they really kindle a civil war by denying the nomination to the man who won the most elected delegates? No way. They well understand that to do so would be to throw away the party's chances of victory and to stigmatize it among African-Americans and young people for the rest of their lives. The Democratic Party took 20 years to recover from the traumas of 1968 and it is not about to trigger a similar bloodletting this year....'
But didn't he say that he's a Clinton supporter?  I'm confused.  Why doesn't HE remain uncommitted?  And can we take his "sacred trust" statement seriously if he's already given his support to Clinton?  Hillary Clinton doesn't believe that anything is sacred.
what a nicompoop. He's practivally telling the supers how to make their judgment. Is he not doing exactly what he's speaking against?

Get real, assholes. You'll never catch Obama's the delegate lead. The most she will get from Pennsylvania is 8-10 more delegates and that will be the highest she'll get to the end of the primaries.
The supers can hold out and let this drag on while letting the bickering continue at the cost of damaging both candidates chances or they can pile on to one of the candidates to stop the bickering so we can start focusing on the general election.

Of course I think everyone can agree that the sooner we stop the bickering the better. So the only real choice is who should the supers side with. They could side with Obama who is currently leading in all aspects and will probably be leading even if they let this play out. Or they could side with Clinton and turn off a large number voters.

The choice is pretty easy to me. I switched from Green to Dem to support Obama. At one time I was prepared to vote for Hillary but once again I have been turned off by her tactics and disregard for the party that she continues to damage by allowing this primary season to drag on.

If her tactics pay off and she is able to win the nomination through questionable means I truly believe you will see many voters such as myself either stay home or vote for Nader in the general election.

I think every Obama supporter should start telling the supers that a vote for Hillary is a vote for Nader!
The supers can hold out and let this drag on while letting the bickering continue at the cost of damaging both candidates chances or they can pile on to one of the candidates to stop the bickering so we can start focusing on the general election.

Of course I think everyone can agree that the sooner we stop the bickering the better. So the only real choice is who should the supers side with. They could side with Obama who is currently leading in all aspects and will probably be leading even if they let this play out. Or they could side with Clinton and turn off a large number voters.

The choice is pretty easy to me. I switched from Green to Dem to support Obama. At one time I was prepared to vote for Hillary but once again I have been turned off by her tactics and disregard for the party that she continues to damage by allowing this primary season to drag on.

If her tactics pay off and she is able to win the nomination through questionable means I truly believe you will see many voters such as myself either stay home or vote for Nader in the general election.

I think every Obama supporter should start telling the supers that a vote for Hillary is a vote for Nader!
I saw a new add by Clinton claiming to play up her ‘Blue collar roots’ Last time I checked Park Ridge, Illinois wasn't blue collar but elite. Obama has to point out she has been a rich kid her entire life and is no more blue collar than Romney.  He should say, when I heard how people were talking about the elite candidate and the blue collar candidate I thought they confused the biographies. I worked from the bottom, Sen. Clinton has been part of the elite her entire life.   Shoot, if SNL wasn’t so completely biased towards Clinton they would make fun of her acting as if she was her husband. Point out her negotiations at Camp David, even though she had a first ladies lunch and wasn’t at Camp David.  Have her even ‘remembering her days growing up poor in Arkansas . . . oh wait I grew up rich in Chicago.  

Ok Obama, you hit her on NAFTA, but what true middle class blue collar workers hate is China. You need to point out how much money both her and her husband take from China and how many shady dealings they have had with Chinese companies and ‘citizens’. For goodness sake a company that’s a front for the Chinese government netted ol’ Bill $700,000 just last year.  NAFTA is great but China is the key to the Midwest.  And for all those Clinton fans, do you really want a President beholden to China a communist country? Do you forget that the Clinton’s are the ones that paved the way for the Wal-mart China connection that is killing the American worker?  Please people think with your minds, not with your private parts.
The Superdelgates should not be bound by the earned delegate math, but neither should they be limited to the electoral math.  

If Superdelegates take their responsibilities seriously, they will consider the impact of the two candidates on down-ballot races.  Who is more or a drag or lift in margin US House seats?  States with Senate seats, and Governor's mansions in play? With redistricting literally around the corner, they need to consider the potential impact on their parties ability to capture state legislatures.

The Supers also would need to consider the broader party-building benefits of each candidate.  Do they expand the playing field in terms of "gettable" states?  Do they expand the electorate?  Do they shift the framing of the political dialogue onto ground better for the party's vision of a more liberal America?

Finally, Superdelegates exercising true independent judgement will consider the relative depth of the downside of nominating and losing with either candidate.  In other words, if the party loses with Obama,  will the long-term consolation benefits (in terms of voter's party id, party image and framing) be greater than they would be if they lost with Hillary? (Or vice-versa.)

What is remarkable about the Clinton campaign position thus far is that it wants it both ways.  Over-rule the rank and file, but don't consider anything broader or more strategic than the potential nominees battle-testing and possible performance in the megastates.
Unbelieveable.  This from the Democratic Party of the United States ?  Why don't we then stop having primaries and caucuses all together if party leaders are going to override the will of the people anyway ?  This also comes from the same group that is so outraged by Florida and Michigan not having their voices heard.  What about the voices of the millions who have voted already ?  They don't count I guess.  
There is no selection process to check the background of candidates for the President of U.S.  We, the people cast our votes based on the limited information we have for each of the candidates.  It should be the responsibility of the Super-Delegates to protect the Party and the Presidency, and since they have intimate knowledge of the candidates' background, they should vote based on protecting the Presidency!!

Hillary has many demons in her closet:  1) refusing to release tax return 2) refusing to release White House papers during her First Lady tenure, 3) Bill's refusal to release contributors to his Presidential Library, 4) Hillary's refusal to make transparent her $310 million earmarks, 5) Bill's business dealings with foreign countries, 6) the lawsuit of the Clintons in Paul v. Clinton, etc.

It makes me uneasy with the Clinton and it should be the same for the super-delegates.  If Hillary does not comply within the framework established by the DNC, then she should be dropped from the Democratic Party and as a candidate for the Presidency.

How can super-delegates support a candidate who is runing from the LAW!
I think we should calculate the delegate count on the DEM side  as a winner takes all delegates and see  if  one person's lead pulls away from the other.  Then go with it.  
WOW !  I GUSESS I'M JUST NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO ELECT THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.  WHY POOR STUPID ME I THOUGHT MY VOTE MATTERED IN THIS COUNTRY.  EVIDENTLY IT ONLY MATTERS WHEN THE SUPER DELEGATES SAYS IT MATTERS.
A SUPER CANDIDATE, WHO CAN AND WILL WIN THE ELECTION, IS HILLARY CLINTON. hillaryclinton.com.
I think we should calculate the delegate count on the DEM side  as a winner takes all delegates and see  if  one person's lead pulls away from the other.  Then go with it.  
The convention in Denver is going to make 1968 look like a PTA meeting.  Nice job Hil!
as usual all you obamaniacs want it both ways.  when it comes to florida and michigan: the rules are the rules, but when it comes to superdelegates, the rules don't matter. go drink some more kool-aid
Yes, with the Clinton haters dividing the party by being right wing lemmings and following their instructions perfectly, mirroring their talking points and ensuring they get the nominee they want the Republicans are well positioned to win the Presidency. Welcome President McCain, thank you Obamamania for destroying Dem chances by splitting the party with the Hillary bashing and of course, let's not forget Obama's part, having the world's largest ego and all, and of course a great marketing campaign, look how many are seduced by it, never once stepping away for even a moment and exploring reality.
I never was a fan of Bill Clinton's integrity (or lack of it) but I liked a lot of what he did as a president.  Now I'm just plain tired of the clintons... as tired as I am of the Bush dynasty.  Does anyone here think for a moment that if we elect Hillary Clinton to the Whitehouse that she's going work to unite the country and take us in a new direction with respect to how we do politics?  Personally, I think it's more likely that we'll see more Karl Rove style politics, but with the Democrats in the majority.

I'm tired of politics that relies on demonizing the opponent in order to gain a position of strength.  I do think the super delegates should use their minds, and I think they'll see that Obama is the best chance for the Democrats, and for the country.  
I sure do hope that more superdelegates show their intelligence, and cahones by voting for the most qualified candidate. College kids have a lot to learn about life. Our economy is in disarray, our national leadership is failing us, and our healthcare system is in collapse. The last thing we need is a bunch of beer guzzling, skirt chasing, free-loading kids choose our next president!!! It is not about the "coolest" person winning, but the most prepared!! Those under thirty five who give barrack hussein obama their support suffer from the Peter Pan Syndrome and long for the days when deciding what party they were going to attend was their only decision to make!  
Disgusting !!!!!!
I am a lifelong Democrat and I will leave the party should the super delegates overturn a lead given to one party or the other in elected delegates.  I support Obama and Hillary will never get my vote not in a million years however I would abstain from voting for her should she legitimately win.  If my party’s leaders do something I find to be undemocratic I will leave the party all together.  The argument is disgusting.  They should look into their hearts and see that one person in this race wants to win at all costs with no regard to party unity or fairness and that person should be punished the best way a politician can be punished.  Do not vote to promote or condone that behavior!
This man speaks of judgment and stewardship. Anyone with good judgment and with the best interests of this country at heart will vote for Barack Obama. People seem to have a very short memory when it comes to the Clintons. You all seem to forget that they cannot be trusted. You choose to remember the '90s in a rose-colored haze, but you forget the constant scandal, the constant embarrassment. This is not the time to put our country through the scandal ringer. We need to improve our standing in the world, and Clintons will turn the White House into Jerry Springer land, not to mention lie to and cheat the American people.

Hillary Clinton cares about one thing...Hillary Clinton. That's why she refuses to shut down lobbyists and special interests, that's why she's taken the most ear marks, and wants to continue the practice of making deals behind closed doors. She wants business as usual in the White House, and that is against the best interest of the United States.

Any Super Delegate who can't see that isn't worth his or her salt.
Good letter.

The question is who can be elected under the electoral college system  and who can govern.  Obama is a great orator, but has shown no interest in the details of governing.  He has been described as a diletante in several recent newspapers-someone who has no interest in hard work.  We do not need an orator, we need someone who can govern and find solutions to very pressing economic problems.

I want my Florida vote to count in this nominating process.  If you do not allow superdelegates to participate and allow Florida and Michigan voters to have a say in this nominating process,  I doubt any democratic nominee will win in the fall.
Using Steve Grossman and the Clintonistas' argument, then the Supreme Court was better qualifed in 2000 to pick a president than the voters were....

The voters will not stand for it this time.  Hopefully the Clinton camp will render themselves unconscious with their own dizzying spin.
I think this argument is at root part of the process that the elite in this country have been using over the last thirty years to dumb down the voters in this country rather than value them. This is by philosophy a republican argument not a democratic one, it is disingenous to say that caucuses are undemocratic because it disenfranchises the working class and elderly.

Anyone who has participated in caucuses observes that the elders are respected, listened to, as they provide leadership in deciding the party platform. (lots of senior citizens are in attendance who still actually believe in the democratic process and the power of the vote--not "party bosses"). As part of this a confidential voting box is provided, people can vote and leave but all are invited to participate. Votes designate the proportion of delegates, but community meetings encourage community building, voter motivation and excitement, the sense of belonging in the formation of a movement. These are the root reasons why Obama, with his community organization experience has most benefited from the caucus states. Add to that the philosophy of only campaigning in the blue states that has led to so few democratic wins over the last thirty years and the Clinton campaign adheres to that losing strategy...enough has been said about us states who are too small and unimportant, too red, undemocratic. The voter is getting the message that Obama's campaign instead is one of all the people. Isn't that part of our Declaration? Come on people. The democrats have got to figure this out or we will find another repub in the white house.

Democrats philosophically place equal value on everyone's perspective and voice and debate includes voting on resolutions and reaching consensus agreements. Most caucus states include the right to be released from work in order to attend the caucus, just like the right to leave work to vote, or participate in juries, is supported. (I have been a working mother who gets home exhausted, most of the people who showed up at our precinct caucus were in that similar category, but people not participating has been from the growing hopelessness that participation is meaningless as we have seen systematic disenfranchisement at the voting booth.) Caucuses have been the root of how our government works as participatory.

I am not saying that primaries do not have their advantages in allowing early voting, objectivity and a larger availability and convenience for the voter. But the outcomes are more subject to media spin, the last minute sound bite from unscrupulous candidates, as we saw in Ohio, and people see it as a responsibility but doesn't leave them with as deep a feeling of belonging or part of the party as the caucus do. The caucus system is supposed to build grass root leadership, and lead to mobilization to support chosen candidates in the eventual election campaign. My memory tells me that it used to be that the Democrats endorsed a candidate and then we had a final primary in September, at least in MN. Endorsed in the same way that the unions or other civic groups do. With endorsement comes support and recognition. This suggests the necessity for membership in the democratic party that goes deeper than self labeling on a ballot. As view Lieberman beating the democratically endorsed candidate in his election, running as an independent against your former party is a handicap but always an option.

The US government was based by our founding fathers by debate and consensus, and an educated electorate is one of the basic principals, as in a full participatory democracy. in a "1984" Orwellian conversion of meanings, the Clinton campaign is subtly reversing the definition of participatory...don't trust the humble worker voter that they deceitfully pretend to represent...trust the expert elite who will decide things for us for our own good. Establishing the voter as a passive receiver of government, persuaded to give over our rights. in this it is politics as usual to what we have seen over the last 7 years. it is at root a major philosophical difference over what America really means. I fear for us, because i don't want to continue down the road we have been for the last 7 years, but also the last 30 years. It has been a progression of weaning the voter and the worker from our uppity pride and dumbing down the populace, distracting us like ancient Rome, while our government is gutted for the benefit of the few.

Anyone is welcome at democratic meetings, anyone is welcome and is given equal voice at a caucus, anyone can be elected from their peers to represent them at county, then regional then state caucus and then be chosed to represent their peers at the national caucus. Primaries designate proportional candidate affiliations and then the candidates can choose the delegate (at the recommendations of the local campaigns) who represents them at the national. That might not be "bad" but is it more democratic? I think not.
Perhaps Mr. Grossman will be a guest lecturer in my Social Studies class if and when his will is exerted at the National Convention. He can then explain to my 8th grade students-largely impoverished, largely from families with no voting record at all, largely looking with a jaundiced eye at life already-how a convention that overthrows the will of the majority guarantees that they have a voice in their future and the future of their country. My students have been motivated by the personalities (both Republican and Democrat) involved, by the issues tackled, and by the historicity of the race. They have actively watched the debate and polling processes and held lively discussions in my class. Threatening to defeat the democratic process via Tammany Hall machinations will only convince these young people that there really is no democracy and they really do have no voice, no vote, and no power. Perhaps he will come and explain to them (and me) why his vote should count twice and how these young people's votes and voices mean just as much as his.
This isn't a "deadlock," unless the meaning of that phrase has become meaningless.  Deadlock means a tie that cannot be broken.  Senator Obama leads no matter how the Clintons' campaign decided to split the voters for today's spin -- Senator Obama leads in States won, votes cast, primaries and caucuses.  
ONCE AGAIN.
IF YOUR A HILLARY SUPPORTER, CHANCES ARE YOUR NOT GOING TO GET YOUR VOICE HEARD HERE.
TAKE YOUR CHANCE!!!

KEEP ON DOING WHAT YOUR DOING HILLARY!!!!!!!
What ever happened to democracy, the majority rules? The insinuation that the opinion of one or a few trumps the opinion of the masses is more consistat with a dictatorship. Democracy 'IS' all about the numbers stupid.
Looks like 90% B Husine Obama's people  ewspond more then real thinkers.  Same thing happens in the Caucuses.  They stand up and bully their ideas and get people to think their way.  Take away the caucuses and the black vote and Obama will not even be in the running.  Good black people are voting for him JUST because he is black.

Wait and see what happens if Obama wis the nonination.  Stuff will come out on Obama and make you say to yourself "why did I vote for him?  I would not have if I had known this about him")  The republicans are not going to pull any punches.  Obama better get some hand gear but more imporant a JOCK STRAP because John will it him in the head AND below belt.
our party concluded that we had demonstrated the ability to act as stewards of the national party--and of the national interest. By dint of our experience in the community and our public service, we were adjudged fit to fulfill a moral responsibility

Isn't there a "super delegate" who is around 21 years of age? What kind of experience does he have? So what, you know somebody who knows somebody - or do you have photos that show something we should perhaps see?
As usual, the Democrats will play by their own rules only when it is convenient to the Clintons.  The rest of the party and country be damned!  Hillary was supposed to win, and therefor, she will.  And all the good little Clinton Democrat communists will follow the party line like lemmings.  Sorry Senator Obama.  You would have had better luck getting elected in back in Communist Russia.
The Clinton campaign is just a disaster.  They didn't worry about a nomination issue didn't favor them. The caucuses weren't an issue before the absolute short sightedness of the campaign not having planned beyond Feb 5th.  

South Carolina didn't matter, small states didn’t matter and don’t matter more because Obama won more, caucuses didn’t matter and don’t more because Obama owns them.  (A testament I might add to his ground game and organizational skills).  Delegates were the only thing that mattered; now they don't matter because overtaking Obama’s lead in delegates will be nearly impossible.  Now we have the renaming of delegates.  Turning super delegates into automatic delegates so they can be specifically redefined in Clinton’s favor.  And now a new term "caucus delegates" is being bandied about to further complicate an already tortured process.  The Clinton Camp is surely trying to cook up something, and it doesn’t smell appetizing.  MI and FL didn't matter, (Ickes determined the outcome of both states jumping their turn in the primary schedule and Clinton signed and understood the ramifications just like every one else) now they matter.  And, by the way, I remember the nauseated sinking feeling coming over me as I watched HRC (Her Royal Crassness) declare victory in Florida.  How do you declare victory for a win that wasn’t win-able?  That’s when I thought, her new campaign slogan should be “Let the Games Begin”.    I knew then what she has confirmed since is she will do ANYTHING to get elected.  Back to Caucuses.  Caucuses cannot be an option in either MI or FL because HRC doesn't do well in them.  Never mind what's best for the people.  

It's almost too much to bear.  It’s absolutely downright exhausting to muddle through every single issue the Clinton campaign is trying to make an issue of.  

Finally, Obama is in the lead currently.  He leads, in delegates, elected and super combined, popular vote, and in states won.  And, and as the leader, Billary has the mendacity to float the idea of Obama being HER vice president.  It’s the two for one BS.  And just how is the two for one supposed to work will Bill being in the WH?   How twisted is that?  Didn’t work when Bill was president.    The republicans shut HRC down after the healthcare debacle and Billary became lame ducks with nothing substantial to do and we all know what happens when Bill’s got nothing to do.  Since when does someone in second place offer someone in first place an opportunity to be THEIR also ran.  The unmitigated gall is appalling but more pathetic and sad than anything else.  Hillary has wanted to president all her life.  What else can explain the sh!t she ate and the humiliation she endured during the Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment trial.  I believe the only reason she stay married to Bill is because she would have to kiss her dream of being president good-bye as a divorced woman.  It’s exactly the reason she has such high negatives, aside from her polarizing personality, and that voice and laugh from HELL!  There are no rocks she wouldn’t climb under to become president.  Pretty amazing and extremely unattractive.  When I pictured the first real female nominee for the presidency, I just didn’t think she would look and act so……political.  I believe it’s time for a woman president, just not this woman.  

The Hillary folks are Political Animals in the worst sense of the meaning.  There's no end to the whining and complaining and trying to get Team Clinton to play within the bounds is like trying to get a two-year old to draw within the lines, All this from a "seasoned and ready to lead day one" politician and her minions.  I cannot believe that I actually considered voting for Hillary. JMTC
Why is it that anything that seemingly does not drop into the Obama camp is to be not challanged, but ravashed as "anti-American" or somekind of thievery of the American way ?
 The Republican party already has it's candidate...IF the Democratic party was under the
same rules for selection, the Democratic party would also have it's candiadte. In that realization,
the roll of the so-called big states is underlined,
and, to ignore that is to ignore political reality.
  Too, while the Florida and Mich.delegates cannot be seated under present conditions, citizens who took time to vote in those states anyway have an absolute right to be herd in terms of the popular vote. What makes (some of you) think that your voice in the party surmounts another single-ciizen, single-vote voice if that voice eminates out of Florida or Michigan ? Why are so many Obama supporters so eager to see Clinton supporter voices muted ... if "they ain't for Obama, lets shut them up, shut them out ?
  I have sincere hope that the Democratic party gains some form of common sense and revamps the primary methodelogy..when the DNC went away from the 'winner take all' format, they threw out the baby with the bath water..creting the present day
mess. A far fairer, and far more representitive method would be to award the winner of (any) state 40% (perhaps 50%) of the delegates, and award the remaining 60% (or 50%) proportionatly.  
 The way things stand now, I would have to go with Hillary Clinton as my party's standard bearer: she leads in the popular vote (inclusive of Florida and
Michigan ... the delegates are on the outs, not the
state's citizens and to imply that any part of our
country's citizenary is 'on the outs' because someone says so or wants it to be that way, threatens all Americasns, not just Floridians or folks from Michigan  ... when SOME lose thier rights in a democracy, ALL lose their rights.) I am threatened by the eagerness of some to take the
route of preemptivness against fellow Americans, threatened by some who insist "I am more Amerixcan than you are and therefore I have more American rights than you do."  I am confounded by those who
believe that if I am not for Obama, then I am not for "change" and, possibly, I am not a good American.
Change has somehow come to mean intolerance for
"non-believers" tosome Obama supporters> Hillary Clinton stands for change too, so why Obama supporters have confiscated the word "change" as
some kind of Obama copyright is in itself misleading
...  more change will occur in a clinton presidency,
simply because 'change' has to be walked, not merely talked.


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