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Clinton vs. Obama: Veep this

Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:22 AM by Mark Murray

Obama yesterday pushed back on the veep chatter. "Calling Clinton's tactics an attempt ‘to bamboozle you, to hoodwink you,’ Obama said voters had to make a choice. ‘I want everybody to be absolutely clear,’ he said. ‘I don't want anybody here thinking that somehow, “Well, you know, maybe I can get both.” Don't think that way. You have to make a choice in this election.’”

The Boston Globe adds, “Obama yesterday ridiculed recent suggestions by Hillary Clinton and her top supporters that he might make a good running mate as part of a so-called Democratic dream team for the general election. For starters, Obama said, he has won twice as many states as Clinton, secured the most delegates, and captured a larger share of the overall popular vote to date.”

The Washington Post: "The vice presidency came up repeatedly Monday at a news conference called by Obama's campaign to showcase former military leaders backing him. Clifford Alexander Jr., a former secretary of the Army, said that ‘people of all backgrounds -- white, black, Latino -- all see this is more surrealistic than any other sense.’ ‘There's something of an implied compliment, as well,’ said Richard Danzig, secretary of the Navy during the Clinton administration. ‘It's nice to think Senator Clinton thinks Senator Obama's clearly qualified to sit a heartbeat away from the presidency.’”

“The message sent by the Clinton camp during an earlier conference call with reporters was not so complimentary. Painting Obama as unseasoned and unpredictable on national security, two retired generals and a retired admiral spoke of Clinton's ‘strength of character,’ ‘resolve’ and ‘courage of conviction.’”

“Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard said he grew up in Louisiana, where hands-on experience is ‘very, very important.’ ‘Just because you recognize a cow doesn't mean you know how to milk it,’ Ballard said. He said voters assessing Clinton will ‘know exactly what they're going to get.’”

"The Clintons’ decision to repeatedly invoke the idea of a Clinton-Obama ticket could serve several goals: to diminish Mr. Obama, of Illinois, in a genteel way, while courting some of his supporters by suggesting that a vote for Mrs. Clinton could ultimately be a vote for him, too. But as the specter of such a ticket has gained currency with the Clintons’ musings, Mr. Obama felt compelled Monday to try to stop the chatter by offering his most expansive answer yet on the issue. With a steady smile, his tone ranged from amused to mocking to derisive."

NBC/NJ's Athena Jones reports that Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell was talking up Clinton as veep as well. "It would be great and either way. I'd be for it either way," he said, adding, when pressed: "Whether it was Sen. Obama for the president and Sen. Clinton for vice president or vice versa. I think it would be great." Rendell said he'd be happier if Clinton were at the top of the ticket, but that it would be a good way to bring the party together.

"You know, I think John McCain's gonna pick Mitt Romney, and they've said worse things about each other than..." He said, before a reporter interrupted to challenge the statement about McCain's likely choice. "The economy's the issue. He's the strongest Republican on the economy. You can't pick someone who doesn't have, in my judgment, doesn't have something to offer on the economy, because Sen. McCain, by his own admission, you know, has a problem."

The Los Angeles Times looks at how the Clinton and Obama campaigns are clamoring for the endorsements of retired military leaders. "Endorsements from retired generals and admirals have been a mainstay of presidential campaigns for years, but with the nation at war and a decorated hero as the presumptive Republican nominee, rarely have Democrats been more desperate for military credibility. Retired military officers have become as prized as governors or senators for their endorsement value."

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LOL. Hillary offering the VP to Obama is like the Patriots offering runner-up to the Giants.

A Solution for All

To solve the democratic nomination and to find McCain’s VP what McCain needs to do is ask Clinton to join his ticket. This will solve everyone’s problem by the following:

McCain: he gets someone who actually does understand the economy, plus he can stick it to all the conservatives, who he hates anyway.

Clinton: this is the surest and maybe quickest path to the presidency, after all at McCain’s age he will be a one term president at the most, probably less. Also this would free her to really savage Obama which is what she really, really wants to do.

Obama: this would guarantee him the nomination and he wouldn’t have to ask Clinton to be on his ticket, therefore not having to worry about Bill hanging around and possibly doing something that would embarrass his administration.

American voters: First for those republicans who would like to vote for Obama but feel guilty it gives them the excuse they are actually voting against Hillary. For those white democrats who may not admit it but can’t bring themselves to vote for an African-American it gives them the excuse they are voting for Hillary. Finally everyone can then pick between voting for Washington experience or Washington change. The only ones left out are the true conservatives, but face it they really don’t have a horse in this race anyway.
Hillary Clinton clearly suffers from rectal-cranial inversion.

What arrogance to imply she can offer Obama the position for vice president.  She is trailing him in delegates AND popular votes.  Furthermore, it doesn't look like she can catch up.

How dumb does she think the public is?  It is rather insulting.
HILLARY SPEAK: SHAME ON ALL YOU DEMOCRATICS FOR NOT PICKING ME TO BE COMMANDER-IN-CHEIF SO LET ME EXPLAIN THE  DELEGATE SYSTEM TO YOU. THERE ARE CAUCUS DELEGATES.THERE ARE PLEDGED DELEGATES.THERE ARE SUPER DELEGATES AND I CAN STEAL THEM ALL FROM OBAMA.SHAME ON ALL YOU DEMOCRATICS FOR NOT KNOWING THIS!
Besides the overt pandering (trying to get Obama votes that wouldn't otherwise go to her without actually HAVING him on the ticket), its nice to see that so many people have picked up on the typical Hillary trying to have it both ways.

Gives me faith that we might get through this...

More bungling by the people that want to be senior White House staff, how nice.

Well MR. HOODWINK you missed your chance, no VP for you! REZKO wants you on his team, always a job there for a special flimflam guy like you.
I think the floater backfired in a big way. Consider the Clinton supporters who are asking themselves, "Well if he's as great as Hillary and Bill says he is, maybe I'm in the wrong camp". I found the proposition both condescending and audacious. I disagree that it was an attempt to pull Obama's votes. I believe it was an attempt to force Obama to say, if anyone was going to be VP, it would be Hillary. Fortunately, for the sake of change, he declined to bite. Thank you, thank you, thank you Barack Hussein Obama. See ya in PA!
Obama wants change, not to be a part of the sameoldsameold Machine.  That's why he won't be her VP, and why he's not going to choose her baggage-laden, Tamany-Hall-Machine-style behind for HIS Veep, either! She could only offer physical protection against racist nutzoids who'd love to shoot him, but would hate to see her as Prez.
For Hillary Clinton to suggest Obama would make a good running mate shows you how desperate The Clinton's have become.  

In case you didn't know Hillary YOU ARE LOSING!  If The Clinton's manage to steal the nomination from Obama after the numbers show he was winning, it would be the same as President Bush winning the election in 2000 from Al Gore.  Only stupid, uneducated people would vote for The Clinton's after that and that would pretty much give the election to John McCain.
Does Hillary have life after the 2008 presidential campaign? It's up to her. It's time she thought about it.
Well MR. HOODWINK you missed your chance, no VP for you! REZKO wants you on his team, always a job there for a special flimflam guy like you.
HP Boston (Sent Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:44 AM)

Can't wait for the next issuance of Hillary campaign paperwork and how much she spent on pizza.  HP, time for another donation to the Hillary Clinton/Pizza Hut for president campaign!
“… The Clinton and Obama campaigns are clamoring for the endorsements of retired military leaders. ‘… Rarely have Democrats been more desperate for military credibility. Retired military officers have become as prized as governors or senators for their endorsement value.’"

Nothing more to say about that.


Obama/Webb 08
"The economy's the issue. He's the strongest Republican on the economy."
--First, that is a misnomer.  In my opinion, John McCain/John McCain's advisors are stronger on the economy than cut and spend Mitt Romney, my goodness.  I, honestly, don't know why people allow the argument that Republicans are better on the economy to be made, much less to push that notion as a Democrat.  As I said, I like John McCain's positions, it's not that he's weak on the economy, merely that he doesn't really care.
--And if a Republican with conservative economic notions is the strongest on the economy, wouldn't that mean that Democrats would be terrible?  I'm just following the logic.  There the Clinton campaign goes again, trying to (for some odd reason) score points for the GOP.
No Way!! Barack is winning and will win!! NO VP for him! He will also never pick Hillary as VP. The Quickest way to lose my vote (and others) is to have her on the ticket!

In the last 24 hours Geraldine Ferraro (Hillary Clinton's surrogate) has suggested that Barack Obama has somehow benefitted from, for lack of a better word, "Political Affirmative Action." That because Sen. Obama is black that those of us that support him are just "caught up in the concept". This is how far this process has devolved. We have come to a point where Hillary Clinton's surrogates, Democrats so we are told, are reducing this to no more than a tired, OLD argument that we are voting for an unqualified candidate only because he is black.

If this was the general election I do not believe that the Republican candidate would stoop to such a level. Imagine the furor we would hear from the Clinton campaign if an Obama surrogate said the only reason people were supporting Hillary Clinton is because she is a woman.

Hillary should demand that Ms. Ferraro step down from her position in her campaign. Senator Obama has accepted the resignation of Samantha Power for calling Hillary a monster. The comment from Ms. Ferraro was further over the line than Ms. Power's and it is time for her to own it and resign.
This attempt to pull out any and all stops by the Clinton camp has certainly backfired. It has made both Hillary and Wolfson look like fools. And then we have G. Ferraro making a racist statement on top of that. Obama just needs to keep reminding Hillary who is in the lead in pledged delegates and the popular vote. Especially after Mississippi and then again and again after Pennsylvania. He will still be in the lead of delegates and popular vote going into North Carolina and Indiana and afterwards. This race is over.
As an Obama supporter, I'll vomit if he picks her to be his running mate.  She'd probably spend 4 years trying to undo everything he does in hopes that she could challenge him in 2012.
Hoodwink and bamboozle seems to be getting a lot of play, I bet these words feel alive again, Thank you Mr. Obama for enlarging the vocabulary of your adherents, here are some other words that could enlarge their vocabulary further: bequile, bluff, con, cozen, deceive, delude, diddle, dupe, fiddle,
gull, hoax, meddle, mess about, put one over on, string along, toy, tamper, tease, trick.
It seems by using only these two words continually, Mr. Obama is trying to send a subtle message.
I wonder what he is really trying to say?
I wonder if the Rezco trial will bring out Mr. Obamas own hoodwinking ways.
Oh yeah, it already has.
Jerry do me a favor before you ask Sen. Obama's supporters about his ties to Rezko you may want to ask Hillary about her ties to Peter Paul and her ties to the campaign fraud trial in CA.
First to mention, the Clinton,s are scandal riddled as another tries to latch on! She would be the queen of advice for that NY scum bag! She would do good to join McCain, that would be her only hope to get into the White House. But this is all Puke and with pushing the handle ""It will all be flushed down the drain???
Hillary and Bill are very condesending when they say Obama would be a great VP.  How stupid do they think people are.  Do they think we don't know they are losing.  Hillary's problem is she thought she had this nomination in the bag and she's pissed  that Obama has stood in her way.

Jerry, you are as predictable as a republican is with a congressional page...as soon as Hillary articles are posted, here you come with your anti-Clinton diatrobe.....dont' worry, no one is going to take away your Hillary dolls.
What a piece of work. The monster has learned well from her husband. Deny,lie,mis-direct and blame. It is weird how the democrats are bound and determined to take the lead and not be able to win. Stay tuned, the story will continue and stupidity will out.


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