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Obama camp questions HRC's experience

Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:59 AM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
In one of its sharpest rebukes of Clinton's foreign policy experience, the Obama campaign has released a memo arguing that Clinton herself hasn't passed the commander-in-chief test. "When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim. Hillary Clinton’s argument that she has passed “the commander-in-chief test” is simply not supported by her record," Obama adviser Greg Craig says in the memo.

"There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was first lady," Craig continues. "It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance. There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration.  he did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance.  She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis. As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue -- not at 3 AM or at any other time of day."

Below is the full memo...


To: Interested Parties
From: Greg Craig, former director, Policy Planning Office, U.S. State Department
RE: Senator Clinton’s claim to be experienced in foreign policy:  Just words?
DA: March 11, 2008

When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim.  Hillary Clinton’s argument that she has passed “the Commander- in-Chief test” is simply not supported by her record.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady.  It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance.  There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration.  She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings.  She did not have a security clearance.  She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room.  She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff.  She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not.  She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis.  As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue – not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.

When asked to describe her experience, Senator Clinton has cited a handful of international incidents where she says she played a central role.  But any fair-minded and objective judge of these claims – i.e., by someone not affiliated with the Clinton campaign – would conclude that Senator Clinton’s claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated.

Northern Ireland:
Senator Clinton has said, “I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland.”  It is a gross overstatement of the facts for her to claim even partial credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland.  She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true.  First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy.  But at no time did she play any role in the critical negotiations that ultimately produced the peace.  As the Associated Press recently reported, “[S]he was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord.”  With regard to her main claim that she helped bring women together, she did participate in a meeting with women, but, according to those who know best, she did not play a pivotal role.  The person in charge of the negotiations, former Senator George Mitchell, said that “[The First Lady] was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one.”

News of Senator Clinton’s claims has raised eyebrows across the ocean. Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked.  Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on. She also attended a 50-minute meeting which, according to the Belfast Daily Telegraph’s report at the time, “[was] a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times."  Brian Feeney, an Irish author and former politician, sums it up: “The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn’t on it.”

Bosnia:
Senator Clinton has pointed to a March 1996 trip to Bosnia as proof that her foreign travel involved a life-risking mission into a war zone.  She has described dodging sniper fire.  While she did travel to Bosnia in March 1996, the visit was not a high-stakes mission to a war zone.  On March 26, 1996, the New York Times reported that “Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn’t hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage.”

Kosovo:
Senator Clinton has said, “I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo.”  It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp.  It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there.  First Ladies frequently meet with government officials.  Her claim to have “negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo,” however, is not true.  Her trip to Macedonia took place on May 14, 1999.  The borders were opened the day before, on May 13, 1999.

The negotiations that led to the opening of the borders were accomplished by the people who ordinarily conduct negotiations with foreign governments – U.S. diplomats.  President Clinton’s top envoy to the Balkans, former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, said, “I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue.”  Ivo Daalder worked on the Clinton Administration’s National Security Council and wrote a definitive history of the Kosovo conflict.  He recalls that “she had absolutely no role in the dirty work of negotiations.”

Rwanda:
Last year, former President Clinton asserted that his wife pressed him to intervene with U.S. troops to stop the Rwandan genocide.  When asked about this assertion, Hillary Clinton said it was true. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that this ever happened.  Even those individuals who were advocating a much more robust U.S. effort to stop the genocide did not argue for the use of U.S. troops.  No one recalls hearing that Hillary Clinton had any interest in this course of action.  Based on a fair and thorough review of National Security Council deliberations during those tragic months, there is no evidence to suggest that U.S. military intervention was ever discussed.  Prudence Bushnell, the Assistant Secretary of State with responsibility for Africa, has recalled that there was no consideration of U.S. military intervention.

At no time prior to her campaign for the presidency did Senator Clinton ever make the claim that she supported intervening militarily to stop the Rwandan genocide.  It is noteworthy that she failed to mention this anecdote – urging President Clinton to intervene militarily in Rwanda – in her memoirs.  President Clinton makes no mention of such a conversation with his wife in his memoirs.  And Madeline Albright, who was Ambassador to the United Nations at the time, makes no mention of any such event in her memoirs.

Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America’s failure to do more to prevent the genocide.

China:
Senator Clinton also points to a speech that she delivered in Beijing in 1995 as proof of her ability to answer a 3 AM crisis phone call. It is strange that Senator Clinton would base her own foreign policy experience on a speech that she gave over a decade ago, since she so frequently belittles Barack Obama’s speeches opposing the Iraq War six years ago.  Let there be no doubt: she gave a good speech in Beijing, and she stood up for women’s rights.  But Senator Obama’s opposition to the War in Iraq in 2002 is relevant to the question of whether he, as Commander-in-Chief, will make wise judgments about the use of military force.  Senator Clinton’s speech in Beijing is not. 

Senator Obama’s speech opposing the war in Iraq shows independence and courage as well as good judgment.  In the speech that Senator Clinton says does not qualify him to be Commander in Chief, Obama criticized what he called “a rash war . . .  a war based not on reason, but on passion, not on principle, but on politics.”  In that speech, he said prophetically:  “[E]ven a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.”  He predicted that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would “fan the flames of the Middle East,” and “strengthen the recruitment arm of al Qaeda.”   He urged the United States first to “finish the fight with Bin Laden and al Qaeda.” 

If the U.S. government had followed Barack Obama’s advice in 2002, we would have avoided one of the greatest foreign policy catastrophes in our nation’s history.  Some of the most “experienced” men in national security affairs – Vice President Cheney and Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others – led this nation into that catastrophe.  That lesson should teach us something about the value of judgment over experience.  Longevity in Washington, D.C. does not guarantee either wisdom of judgment.     

Conclusion:
The Clinton campaign’s argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night.  There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed “the Commander-in-Chief test.”  That claim – as the TV ad – consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

On the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation – the War in Iraq – Senator Clinton voted in support of a resolution entitled “The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of U.S. Military Force Against Iraq.”  As she cast that vote, she said:  “This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.”   In this campaign, Senator Clinton has argued – remarkably – that she wasn’t actually voting for war, she was voting for diplomacy.  That claim is no more credible than her other claims of foreign policy experience.  The real tragedy is that we are still living with the terrible consequences of her misjudgment.  The Bush Administration continues to cite that resolution as its authorization – like a blank check – to fight on with no end in sight.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, he got it right, and Senator Clinton got it wrong.  In truth, Senator Obama has much more foreign policy experience than either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan had when they were elected.  Senator Obama has worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  He possesses the personal attributes of a great leader – an even temperament, an open-minded approach to even the most challenging problems, a willingness to listen to all views, clarity of vision, the ability to inspire, conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.  

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Obama's a Fraud... he talks about being "bamboozled" "okie doked" well he's the one doing the BAMboozaling!
and such language only being used in the south in heavily populated AA communities/states is racist pandering.

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BO has the most experience in BAMBOOZLING!
Is anyone really ready for a 3 a.m. phone call until the phone rings?  

All you can do is make your best guess.  I guess Obama.


Obama/Webb 08
And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.
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What a CROCK!!
So much for her experience in foreign policy.....
Not much experience in national policy......

This 35 years of experience is just a myth, always has been a myth, and will always be a myth.
Wow more Clinton lies, surprize.
No vote for her, no matter what!! NO WAY!!!

In the last 24 hours Geraldine Ferraro (Hillary Clinton's surrogate) has suggested that Barack Obama has somehow benefitted from, for lack of a better word, "Political Affirmative Action." That because Sen. Obama is black that those of us that support him are just "caught up in the concept". This is how far this process has devolved. We have come to a point where Hillary Clinton's surrogates, Democrats so we are told, are reducing this to no more than a tired, OLD argument that we are voting for an unqualified candidate only because he is black.

If this was the general election I do not believe that the Republican candidate would stoop to such a level. Imagine the furor we would hear from the Clinton campaign if an Obama surrogate said the only reason people were supporting Hillary Clinton is because she is a woman.

Hillary should demand that Ms. Ferraro step down from her position in her campaign. Senator Obama has accepted the resignation of Samantha Power for calling Hillary a monster. The comment from Ms. Ferraro was further over the line than Ms. Power's and it is time for her to own it and resign.
Having lunch as the first lady, with a foreign leader, does NOT pass the Commander-In-Chief test, Hillary. AND, you just lost another Superdelegate with your Gov.....time to get manic again, dear, and spew out more accusations against the REAL next POTUS Senator Obama!
Amen!
Bill Maher said it best -- "The only time Hillary answered the phone at 3 am it was Bill at the police station needing $500 and his pants!"
I love this memo.

I am Irish and it is incredibly offensive to me and the Irish people that HRC claims to have brokered peace in Northern Ireland.

HRC wouldn't have the guts to step foot in Belfast let alone, broker peace there.
Thank God!  Finally - a dose of reality as the much needed antidote to the Clintons' outrageously exaggerated claims.  This is much appreciated and congratulations for publishing the memo and kudos to the Obama Team for setting her dubious record straight.
Of course not, Hillary wasn't even an elected official.
Finally, we have FACTS, not just Clinton's broad claims about being experienced in foreign policy.  Why didn't the media - like MSNBC - look into this earlier?  You just took her at her word about her experience.  Sinbad and Sheryl Crow?  C'mon, that's experience?  Why not let Sinbad answer the 3 a.m. call?

Obama 2008 - let's add Mississippi tonight to make it 30/44 delegate contests won so far!
HAH! She's been LYING to us.

Mrs. Clinton, it looks like you're now reaping the whirlwind you sowed by going negative. Did you really think you were going to get away with it? Oh, that's right, you never really bothered to put much thought into campaign strategy. So why should we believe that you'll put much thought into anything you might do as President?
I love the truth.

'08bama!
When discussing Obama's and Clinton's foreign policy experience, think 'less then a thimble full' for each of them.
That's not the 1-2 punch, that's a knockout.  I was wondering when we were going to start getting into specifics of her "35 years" of experience.  
Amen....I am glad he is calling her out!

It is about time.  She is a fraud!
CHICAGO - An e-mail message made public on Monday in the fraud trial of Antoin Rezko, a businessman and political contributor, brought attention to Senator Barack Obama’s role in discussions involving a state health planning board that Mr. Rezko is accused of improperly influencing.

The message indicated that Mr. Obama, now a Democratic presidential candidate, and other top Illinois politicians consulted in 2003 on legislation to keep the board, which approved the construction of health facilities, from expiring under sunset provisions in state law.

The vaguely worded message also seemed to raise the possibility that Mr. Obama, who at the time was chairman of the Illinois Senate’s health committee, had been involved in recommending candidates for the board.

Good guys at First Read. Now having reported on that trash talked on the NAFTA (there is nothing significant about Obama's statements at the rally to warrant reporting, given that it is already known Hillary or her campaign is the one who told Canada to disregard her NAFTA stance), you are now reporting on Obama questioning Hillary's experience. This is what I have long wanted, because this woman just won't be specific about what experience she is talking about other than to talk about BS.
If she cannot be specific what that 35 years of experience includes, then I am going to think she has been a call girl before (okay, I am kidding).
Perfection from the Obama camp!  Now, let me see what that rat fink Howard Wolfson has to say.  I can't wait!
If this is about his speech again enough he needs something more then that. Where was he when we were in Washington protesting this war I didn't see him or over half of you on this blog out protesting.
Maybe if you would have we could of showing Bush we meant it instead of a speech. And please he has no room with me when he decided to campaign for Joe Lieberman whos pro-war instead of LeMont who was runnning on anti-war. Explain why your first vote to the US Senate would be to confirm Condi Rice. (Who's team is he on) Even David Axelrod said this on This week with George Stephanopoulos recently (2Wks Ago)
Ambassador Joe Wilson (who told Bush Iraq Didn't have weapons of mass destruction) has said Obama is not qualified to be President. And Wilson is very much anti-war.
And we need to quit talking about what happened and talk about what will happen. His own team have all side steped the issue. He sounds just like Hillary.

We all know she is better qualified but, I would rather you be honest and say I can't vote for her because I don't like her then for you people to hide behind a speech.
Oh my, guess he won't be offering her the VP slot.

Its certainly unfortunate that she opened the door on this one...yup, this line may have gotten her some votes  in Ohio and Texas.  Hope she's happy winning the battle but losing the war.

Its unfortunate that Obama has to "go there".  But of course, if he didn't "go there", then he wouldn't be acting tough or aggressive enough.

I don't like nasty campaigning and negative ads.  But I firmly believe in one's right to defend themselves.

Is anyone surprised by any of this??

Obama 08
This is just a great memo.  It's indeed high time that HRC's campaign get called out on some of their outrageous claims.  Everyone knows that she could have accomplished none of these things without a security clearance.  And it's a provable fact she was never granted one.

Let's hope the MSM picks up on this.  This needs to be front and center on Hardball tonight.
OOOH... Hillary just got OWNED!!
This memo is such a beauty... Now, just the ones who DO NOT WANT to see will not see...
Where is:

1. Hillary's REAL experience?
2. Hillary's tax returns?
3. Hillary's White House papers?
4. Hillary's integrity?
5. Hillary's indignation over racist remarks by her surrogates?

As a matter of fact, where is the real Hillary?
Well said and well researched.  Hillary can't hide from the truth!
The Hillary spin has been unspun
and found to be without merit.
She's shown herself to be unpredictable in her emotional state from day to day.
That concerns me. We know McCain can be a hothead.
Only Barack Obama has SHOWN himself to be calm, cool and clear thinking when the heat is on. I trust my own observation of their behavior more than any spin.
The First Lady is an emissary of The United States of America.  In visiting 80 plus countries on behalf of the USA and the President, Hillary Clinton was an important foreign policy component of the Clinton Administration.  That cannot be spun away.  And it trumps a 4-year senator who has spent almost 2 of those years campaigning for President.  She's put in more time and built more relationships.  And that cannot be spun away either.

Obama continues to nail Hillary on her 2002 vote.  Is that all he's got?
Excellent memo!

Now let's hope that the media FINALLY(!!!) pays attention to the fact that the claims of experinece are TOTAL HOGWASH! - the Clinton camp has been given a free ride by the media thus far on this critical issue.
Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring!
Can someboby with some judgement please get that?

Finally we see some stones.

OBAMA '08
How can people say he is only winning because he is getting large african american votes? Lasttime I checked there were like two black people in Wyoming, maybe three in Iowa, and possibly 5 in Alaska.
Can't argue with that.

So lets see, we have Obama with not enough experience whose words are hollow, we have Clinton who has not enough experience and who is, well, Hillary Clinton, *shudder*, and we have McCain who's half-crazy and a war monger, but who was a United States senator before Obama even made it into law school and when Clinton was still a politician's wife in Arkansas.

There's nothing negative that can be said about McCain on Iraq that can't be said about the other two on so many other issues, leaving experience as the most valuable criteria ... I have to go with the guy who has 20 years in national-level law making. And to the Obama fans, McCain has reached across to shake Dems' hands more times than Obama has "united" anybody.
Who was the President for eight years??? He or she?? She says ""SHE  called all the shots according to her accounting!!  My we are going to et the best rear harpooning in history!!!! Theres not a one day of accounting to show Clinton ever had experience!! this was a well written article,, Keep up getting the truth out there!!!!!!!
we been waiting for this for way too long. Thanks for this ..
OBAMA 08.
Instead of HRC, how about HPC?  P for Pinoccio.  Her nose should be about 6 feet long by now and growing every day.  No shame.  
Time for Hill to go down.  I'm so glad that people are finally seeing through her lies.  Wish all of this would have been discussed right before my state (Texas) and Ohio voted so that this would all be over.  Looking forward to the next few months though.  OBAMA '08!
This says it all.  The networks have been talking about, and showing clips from, the "3:00 AM" ad for days on end, which only serves to bring up the deception over and over again in the minds of the electorate.  If this memorandum received only half of the aitrime that the networks have given to the ad, Obama should be able to score in PA and it should (rightly) bring an end to the Clinton candidacy.
The following contains an interview released today with Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey (Northern Ireland) stating that Hillary has greatly exaggerated her role in the peace talks there:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/comments?type=story&id=3105455

Also, what exactly is the measurement, er, threshhold of commander-in-chief and how did hillary get the task of assigning the scores to candidates? Very odd.
I am glad Hillary's flase claims are finally exposed. They would be the larges political fraud in history. I am surprised that it has taken so long for the Obama campaign to point them out.

Even more puzzling is that the media is still bamboozled. With such high pay, there should be some smart ones in the media somewhere. In the end, the media is run by  a few large corporations that can sell newspapers because of all the nonsense.
Hillary Clinton is a pathological liar.  There are those that want this type of person to be the president of the US.  We already have that type of person , George W. Bush.
I just read the official response from the Clinton Campaign on this memo:

"Waaaaaaaaaah!  They're being mean to us again!  Make them stop!"
And now we can only wait until Sen. Clinton's campaign respods, stepping back, doe-eyed, asking "innocently," "what about your campaign of hope?"  They're pathetic.

Thank you for publishing this memo!  This is precisely how Sen. Obama needs to respond to her attacks without sacrificing the high-ground: take her wild assertions, respond in a level-headed and even painfully logical way and stick tightly to the confines of the issues.  That way, you can be tough, diffuse the garbage (from the garbage disposal of the sink) that she's throwing his way, without losing the hopeful and forward-looking message of the campaign.  Beautiful middle-ground.  We saw just such a response work yesterday in Sen. Obama's stump speech about Hillary floating the VP job - breaking down the inconsistencies of her arguments - and this will be incredibly effective today.

This is how you change minds.  This is how a civil American government should function.  But you wait, rather than respond with substance, Hillary will come back and claim the victim of some unfair attack.  Don't buy it...
Attention, Chuck Todd:  Since you are NBC political director, I sure would like you to arrange for Craig's memo to be properly vetted by Tim Russert on this Sunday's Meet the Press.  How about asking Sen. Clinton these questions, one by one?  If she won't appear, then one of her campaign spokespeople, with no allowance for spin.
Well, Obama, I like your message here. But, I'm still waiting for someone to write the same thing about you regarding the United States military.

The FIRST priority of ANY President is the defense of the nation, whether it's Islamic terrorist, standing army, domestic terrorists, whatever. And that means being the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces before ALL else. Where is your experience on this Obama OR Hillary? There is none.

REGARDLESS of the catastrophe that is Iraq, McCain is the only qualified candidate in the race in terms of military AND law-making experience. Maybe not the best person we could have as President, but the best one of these three.

It's nice to believe in hope and change and peace when we're the only ones starting wars, but what happens if there IS a conventional war? What happens if there IS a standing army threatening us or our allies? Do you want someone with no military experience OR  training whatsoever to handle that? Or would you like someone who lives and breathes the defense of this country and always has? (And don't give me that "foreign policy will prevent wars" crap -- if that were true, we wouldn't have been fighting wars since the beginning of recorded history)
when it comes to hillary's 3AM call, Madonna puts it best in the lyrics from her song "hung up" :

"ring, ring, ring goes the telephone.... the lights are on but there's no one home"


Obama was saying in Wyoming on Friday that he voted against the war in 2002, 2003. 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008. (He called out the year literally one by one.) The truth is that 2002 was a speech. He didn't have to vote for the war in 2003. When he got in the Senate, he voted for funding the war in 2004, 2005 & 2006.

What he has been saying doesn't appear to be what you really mean from NFTA to end the war. His voting records might have suggested that he might not had voted against the war if he had to vote. He would prefer to vote "present" if there is an option.
Tim in Mobile,

I pretty much agree that McCain (your words) is half-crazy and a war-monger (I'd use slightly different words).  You're willing to vote for that?!

I'll take Obama with the strength of his character and his willingness to speak truth to power...any day.  I'll take him over McCain (with the personality traits you so aptly identify) and over Hillary, the unstable.

Obama 08
Obama's Experience can't even fill a thimble!  
Great memo and about damn time! Obama?Webb 08


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