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Obama camp questions HRC's experience

Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:59 AM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
In one of its sharpest rebukes of Clinton's foreign policy experience, the Obama campaign has released a memo arguing that Clinton herself hasn't passed the commander-in-chief test. "When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim. Hillary Clinton’s argument that she has passed “the commander-in-chief test” is simply not supported by her record," Obama adviser Greg Craig says in the memo.

"There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was first lady," Craig continues. "It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance. There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration.  he did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance.  She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis. As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue -- not at 3 AM or at any other time of day."

Below is the full memo...


To: Interested Parties
From: Greg Craig, former director, Policy Planning Office, U.S. State Department
RE: Senator Clinton’s claim to be experienced in foreign policy:  Just words?
DA: March 11, 2008

When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim.  Hillary Clinton’s argument that she has passed “the Commander- in-Chief test” is simply not supported by her record.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady.  It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance.  There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration.  She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings.  She did not have a security clearance.  She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room.  She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff.  She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not.  She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis.  As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue – not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.

When asked to describe her experience, Senator Clinton has cited a handful of international incidents where she says she played a central role.  But any fair-minded and objective judge of these claims – i.e., by someone not affiliated with the Clinton campaign – would conclude that Senator Clinton’s claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated.

Northern Ireland:
Senator Clinton has said, “I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland.”  It is a gross overstatement of the facts for her to claim even partial credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland.  She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true.  First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy.  But at no time did she play any role in the critical negotiations that ultimately produced the peace.  As the Associated Press recently reported, “[S]he was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord.”  With regard to her main claim that she helped bring women together, she did participate in a meeting with women, but, according to those who know best, she did not play a pivotal role.  The person in charge of the negotiations, former Senator George Mitchell, said that “[The First Lady] was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one.”

News of Senator Clinton’s claims has raised eyebrows across the ocean. Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked.  Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on. She also attended a 50-minute meeting which, according to the Belfast Daily Telegraph’s report at the time, “[was] a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times."  Brian Feeney, an Irish author and former politician, sums it up: “The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn’t on it.”

Bosnia:
Senator Clinton has pointed to a March 1996 trip to Bosnia as proof that her foreign travel involved a life-risking mission into a war zone.  She has described dodging sniper fire.  While she did travel to Bosnia in March 1996, the visit was not a high-stakes mission to a war zone.  On March 26, 1996, the New York Times reported that “Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn’t hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage.”

Kosovo:
Senator Clinton has said, “I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo.”  It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp.  It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there.  First Ladies frequently meet with government officials.  Her claim to have “negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo,” however, is not true.  Her trip to Macedonia took place on May 14, 1999.  The borders were opened the day before, on May 13, 1999.

The negotiations that led to the opening of the borders were accomplished by the people who ordinarily conduct negotiations with foreign governments – U.S. diplomats.  President Clinton’s top envoy to the Balkans, former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, said, “I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue.”  Ivo Daalder worked on the Clinton Administration’s National Security Council and wrote a definitive history of the Kosovo conflict.  He recalls that “she had absolutely no role in the dirty work of negotiations.”

Rwanda:
Last year, former President Clinton asserted that his wife pressed him to intervene with U.S. troops to stop the Rwandan genocide.  When asked about this assertion, Hillary Clinton said it was true. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that this ever happened.  Even those individuals who were advocating a much more robust U.S. effort to stop the genocide did not argue for the use of U.S. troops.  No one recalls hearing that Hillary Clinton had any interest in this course of action.  Based on a fair and thorough review of National Security Council deliberations during those tragic months, there is no evidence to suggest that U.S. military intervention was ever discussed.  Prudence Bushnell, the Assistant Secretary of State with responsibility for Africa, has recalled that there was no consideration of U.S. military intervention.

At no time prior to her campaign for the presidency did Senator Clinton ever make the claim that she supported intervening militarily to stop the Rwandan genocide.  It is noteworthy that she failed to mention this anecdote – urging President Clinton to intervene militarily in Rwanda – in her memoirs.  President Clinton makes no mention of such a conversation with his wife in his memoirs.  And Madeline Albright, who was Ambassador to the United Nations at the time, makes no mention of any such event in her memoirs.

Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America’s failure to do more to prevent the genocide.

China:
Senator Clinton also points to a speech that she delivered in Beijing in 1995 as proof of her ability to answer a 3 AM crisis phone call. It is strange that Senator Clinton would base her own foreign policy experience on a speech that she gave over a decade ago, since she so frequently belittles Barack Obama’s speeches opposing the Iraq War six years ago.  Let there be no doubt: she gave a good speech in Beijing, and she stood up for women’s rights.  But Senator Obama’s opposition to the War in Iraq in 2002 is relevant to the question of whether he, as Commander-in-Chief, will make wise judgments about the use of military force.  Senator Clinton’s speech in Beijing is not. 

Senator Obama’s speech opposing the war in Iraq shows independence and courage as well as good judgment.  In the speech that Senator Clinton says does not qualify him to be Commander in Chief, Obama criticized what he called “a rash war . . .  a war based not on reason, but on passion, not on principle, but on politics.”  In that speech, he said prophetically:  “[E]ven a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.”  He predicted that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would “fan the flames of the Middle East,” and “strengthen the recruitment arm of al Qaeda.”   He urged the United States first to “finish the fight with Bin Laden and al Qaeda.” 

If the U.S. government had followed Barack Obama’s advice in 2002, we would have avoided one of the greatest foreign policy catastrophes in our nation’s history.  Some of the most “experienced” men in national security affairs – Vice President Cheney and Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others – led this nation into that catastrophe.  That lesson should teach us something about the value of judgment over experience.  Longevity in Washington, D.C. does not guarantee either wisdom of judgment.     

Conclusion:
The Clinton campaign’s argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night.  There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed “the Commander-in-Chief test.”  That claim – as the TV ad – consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

On the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation – the War in Iraq – Senator Clinton voted in support of a resolution entitled “The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of U.S. Military Force Against Iraq.”  As she cast that vote, she said:  “This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.”   In this campaign, Senator Clinton has argued – remarkably – that she wasn’t actually voting for war, she was voting for diplomacy.  That claim is no more credible than her other claims of foreign policy experience.  The real tragedy is that we are still living with the terrible consequences of her misjudgment.  The Bush Administration continues to cite that resolution as its authorization – like a blank check – to fight on with no end in sight.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, he got it right, and Senator Clinton got it wrong.  In truth, Senator Obama has much more foreign policy experience than either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan had when they were elected.  Senator Obama has worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  He possesses the personal attributes of a great leader – an even temperament, an open-minded approach to even the most challenging problems, a willingness to listen to all views, clarity of vision, the ability to inspire, conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.  

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What in HRC's claimed 35 years of experience qualifies her to be President?  I haven't heard it. Did I miss something?
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SUCH SMART PEOPLE WOULD BE SO DUMB TO BELIEVE IN OBAMA
Doesn't ANYBODY remember that when Hillary "led the healthcare reform" in the 90's--she had 6 months of behind-closed-doors, secret meetings that not even reporters could get into. She refused to allow healthcare workers to submit ideas, and forged ahead with an "I know it all, don't need your thoughts" mentality. (Sound familiar?) What we got from that is MORE MANAGED CARE! (And that has been SO helpful for Americans--not!). Why would ANYBODY want to give her a second chance to "fix" the healthcare system that SHE helped to "Break."?
FINALLY someone calls this sorry excuse for a Presidential candidate out on her blatant facetiousness!!!!!!! Same tactics used by Bush to get troops into Iraq. Lies, lies, lies and more lies. Fear and more fear... And some people think she is qualified to be Commander in Chief? I guess the American People look really stupid when we are seen from the Bigshots on high. The Red Phone at 3 a.m.? I wouldn't let Hillary Clinton answer my cell when I´m on the can.
They should take out a full page ad in all of the major newspapers with this.
Finally the TRUTH comes out about Billary's experience, or lack there of. Funny how she has been running her ENTIRE campaign on a bunch of LIES!!!!

I can't wait to see how she will spin this one!

Obama has already won and Billary needs to step down, just like Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, and all the others did when they realized they could not win.  I don't understand Billary's logic to keep going.  I know she wants to win more than ANYTHING, but she is really making herself look desperate and foolish.
Freaking Finally....Glad he is hitting her back with the Truth, now she will try to spin it so experience is a non-issue.  Will she drop out for the good of the nation?  NO
I'm more than willing to take a chance on Obama moving the country in a new direction, rather than support a power-mad liar that will say and do anything to get elected.  Maybe she can provide some advice to Mrs. Spitzer on standing up for feminist ideals...oh wait, stand by your man and maybe you'll get the favor returned someday.  Pathetic.
It's about time someone investigated the legitimacy of Senator Clinton's claims. I questioned them from the start. She is a master at stretching the truth past the limits of good ethics - just short of being caught in a lie.
This exposes Hillary's fraudulent experience for what it really is.  NBC, this needs to be HEADLINE news!
V- I have heard your argument so many times that Obama just gave a speech on 2002. Not only did he oppose the war, he specifically said the bad things that would happen, that are happening right now.
His stand in 2002 was a far greater test that Hillary's or McCain's because he could have easily lost election when it was so popular.
The only experience Hillary has answering the phone at 3am is from Monica asking if Bill can come out to play...
Thanks to MSNBC, I was so happy to read these articles.
Thanks to SINBAD. I'm sure glad you were on that trip to "tell the truth". Hillary must have had amnesia. She forgot a Black comedianne was on the trip, and that he just might tell the truth about that trip. Poor thing.

And your comments, all great. Especially the one about the late nite call that Hillary got...the only one...Bill called for $500.00 to get out of jail and his pants.  That's a hoot. LOL

I am so glad someone exposed Hillary's lies. I had already sent out a blog on...what experience does Hillary have as a Governor's first lady, and the President's First Lady, and as a lawyer when she worked. How does that equate to 35 years of exprience. Being first lady? WOW.

I sure enjoyed reading these, and I am glad that Obama's camp is finally taking putting the gloves on and going to fight and WINNNNN!!!!



Thanks all
Hillary is a liar a thief and will stop at nothing to get the nomination,even if it means destroying the democratic party. she has cried,whined,screamed,and when that didn't work, she started making up lies about her oponent. Hillary everything you've done is gonna come back to you one day ,just like it did for Spitzer. All his bad deeds finally caught to him,and you're next!
While I'm neither a Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama follower, I have kept my options open as to who I'm going to vote for.  But Hillary does not impress me in the least with her talk about passing the commander in chief test.  She's taking the credit for all her husbands appointees who did the work during the crisis time during his administration.  This is outright DECEPTION in capital letters.  She's going to have a hard time convincing me to vote for her.
I HOPE the media will quit trying to make this campaign about race. I know this will sound tongue in cheek but please think about it. In my state of Ohio, Hillary won all the Republican counties and Barack Obama squeaked out the Democratic ones. What does this tell you?? The republicans are trying to pick the Democratic nominee. I have first hand knowledge that the voters of Ohio who were registered Republicans voted for HIllary. Poll workers will tell you the same. This is where I may offend people and I apologize up front. It is a well known fact that most Republicans are white. This would account for the high white/black divide among the candidates. Check the records for registered voters in the last 4 elections and tell us the % of republicans who voted for Hillary. Subtract this number from the total vote. What would the outcome be?? My guess is the polls would be a lot different. How many of the people polled were prior Republicans before this vote?? Are they the ones who said they believe Obama is not ready? The republicans are smart people and they know how to divide the democratic party--have them go after each other. Hillary played right into their little game. Now with the help of Rush and all the other pundits out there just drooling at the thought of this nomination primary continuing, a rift is building in the democratic party and we need to stop the momentum and put an end to Hillarys hateful ways. Remember negativity begets more negativity while positivity requires repetitive actions to reinforce itself.  

Thank you Obama staff for finally bringing to light that her 35 years of experience began at age 25 when she doing what???? Thank you for taking a more vocal approach in this campaign


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