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McCain critical of Bush, post 9/11

Posted: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:28 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy
McCain said this at his town hall in Springfield, PA this morning:

"After 9/11 I think that we made a mistake by telling Americans they ought to go on a trip, or shop. I think we should've told Americans to join the military, the Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, volunteer organizations -- all of the organizations that allow people to serve this nation. There's wonderful programs out there some of them government and some of them volunteer... I think Americans are ready, they're ready to make many of the sacrifices if it's clearly explained to them how important it is and the crisis and the challenges we face." 

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How come there is no articles nor videos about all the past comments of all  Pastor Wright made?

CNN had an article about all the pass comments of Ferraro.

Obama pastor in his own words-Words Matter!!!

He said that the White man brought Aids to the Black community.

He said the White man brought drugs to eliminates the Blacks.

He said Whites are to be Hated.

He said American cause 9/11.

Obama praises Pastor Wright his book and Obama donated $20,000 to his church

Despite all this, he still is a member of this church-- BAD JUDGEMENT..

The "Man Of Hope and Uniter" is associated with church that is a Divider-- this is unbelieveable.

This is not  Irony. This is  Hyprocisy?

The "Old Uncle" excuse and a lukewarm denouncing statement won't do.

Also, Is David Axelrod going to call Pastor Wright comments insidious?

I'm still waiting on Keith Olbermann, "Special Comment" on all of Pastor Wright's racist comments
Although I am a Dem, with little faith in McCain since he started drinking the Bush Kool-Aid, I have to agree with him on this one.
Amen, John McCain.  I won't vote for you, but you're a fine statesman!
McCain and Obama each have more integrity in their pinky finger than Hillary has in her hole body. What we're lacking in this government is integrity that represents of the great people of this nation.
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com
There is nothing about the damn peace corp in the Constitution. I'm tired of hearing about the peace corp all the time like it's some freaking meca or something! There is a little thing about 'the pursuit of happiness' in the Constitution though! Did you get that everyone? The pursuit of happiness! It was so important that the founding fathers went to war over it. They did not delare their independence so that they could go pass out care packages in Africa! They wanted to be happy! Now get off my back about the freaking peace corp.
McCain is my candidate. He's a little out there on a few issues, but I learned a long time ago there is no such thing as a perfect candidate. Hillary is a lunatic, and Obama is nice, but he's more inspiration than action at this point. It seems like Obama could panic in a tight situation, and I have to go with McCain's experience.

The only problem with a change candidate is that Obama is too new to change everything effectively. He and his supporters are rushing so fast toward change that they're builing the road ahead of them by destroying the road behind them. And, sorry to continue the metaphor, but if we get 2 miles into the new road and realize it's wrong, we've got nothing to guide us back. Let Obama gel a little longer in the senate; change is good, but change in a hurry is often a terrible mistake, and he can still make a difference as a senator.
Will he next be proposing a $4000 tuition credit for those who do public service.

Sounds like he is doing a Hillary and following a true leader on this one.
What more can you say about this ill-fated, no substance to the claim of why we are there (and that includes the numerous reasons), and let's not forget that McCain walked up to the steps and shook the dunce in chief's hand and said I appreciate your support or words to that affect.  This is just another example of "continue the current policies" of this ill-conceived administration.
GAME OVER.

Hillary won.

Obama is unelectable.

New polls today show Obama would be CRUSHED by McCain in a matchup while HILLARY BEATS MCCAIN.

Obama won't be re-electable to the U.S. Senate from Illinois once his campaign debacle is over let alone be considered for VP or President.

Obamas problems:

Rezko.

Crown.

Jeremiah Wright.

Mississippi, Obama won 21% of white vote and 91% of black vote

Ohio, Obama won 86% of black vote, the only voting group he carried and won only 5 out of 88 counties despite outspending Hillary 3 to 1.

Obama's "pastor" Jeremiah Wright is an avowed racist, anti-white, anti-semitic, pro-Louis Farakaan Nation of Islam supporter who in videos currently circulating the web and other media show Wright railing against the U.S., Hillary Clinton, saying "God Dam- America, not God Bless America. YIKES.  THIS is the man who Obama calls his "mentor" and "close personal friend of over 20 years"???? YIKES.

These relationships call in to serious question the character and judgment of Barack Obama.

OBAMA IS OVER.
Wow!!! McCain is criticizing Bush post 9/11 about telling people to shop!?!  What about criticizing him for lying to the American people about Iraq's "involvement" in 9/11 and then leading this country into a false war?!?!?!?!?!?  Oh, wait...that would require McCain to point those other three fingers back at himself, too.  Not going to happen.  What a politician!!!!!!
I definately agree that as Americans instead of pointing a finger at 'the government' we need to realize that we must each take action to make our country a safe, productive, progressive nation. We are, after all, a nation 'by the people, for the people' - lets take action to help our fellow citizens and quit waiting on 'the government' to do it!
To me, that defines the difference in the parties...the Rep party is about personal involvement, personal accountability and personal opportunity FOR EVERYONE and BY EVERYONE, whereas the Democrats are for sitting back and expecting someone else to find a way to fund it, provide it fight for it and execute the plan without sacrifice.
Okay, but what was he saying at the time?  What was he saying when he authorized the war vote?  Did he agree with Cheney that we could prosecute the Iraq war on the cheap and with too few soldiers?  

Or ... is this just some sort of subtle way of encouraging increased enlistment?  Let's whip up some "patriotism" so we can snag some new recruits?  

I'm starting to really like this guy.  He makes blogging easy.  
Say what?
Wonderful thought and I think a lot of people are thinking that way on their own but GWB was/is prez and that kind of giving back philosophy can't make it into his pickled brain.

The Iraq War is about enriching the military industrial complex, large corporate entities that earn obscene profits by inflating charges, working both sides and selling weapons of destruction.

I happened to be reading a John LeCarre novel around that time and there was a telling line about a character: he was part of a company that supplied war materials and to be profitable they needed a war. I remember thinking at the time - that explains the hurried invasion because I could think of no other sensible reason.

It's why I dislike the Clintons now - because the disaster of the Monica Lewinsky scandal and especially how it was handled (lie; when caught, lie again; when faced with your lies, lie some more)is the main factor in George W. Bush getting enough votes to twist the election results. The same parsing that Bill Clinton did then and Hillary Clinton is doing now.

So yeah, as I'm sure you're aware, that's part of Barack Obama's platform, and it's a good one. But the Clintons are trying to divide the country as they've done all along. It's the only way she can win.

The headline today is more violence in Iraq. What part of the surge is working, Senator McCain? If the choice in November is between her and him, I am very afraid for my country. I am working hard for Obama, it's our only chance.
"...Because if they don't, I'LL REINSTATE THE DRAFT!"
I thought Bush was his spiritual advisor?  you mean he actually criticized him once?
Obama needs to withdraw from the presidential race.  How in God's name can

people vote for a man  who has for 20 years been a party to this kind of hate and racism?

Obama's has called Rev Wright his friend, his spitual advisor, and his mentor.  Obama

wrote a book and the title is from one of Wright's sermon.

It is clear that OBama condones  this hate filled race spewing beliefs.  

Pastor Wright baptized Obama and his children, he married Obama & Michelle.   Wright is

also on Obama's campaign.    I now know where Michelle Obama was coming from when she

said America is mean,  and she is just now proud to be an American.   I do not trust these

people who say one thing in public and live a different way in real life.  

THere is no way Obama can explain this away.   Obama needs to step down from the

presidential race and go join the Black Panthers and Farrakhan.
All of the things that McCain mentioned, including encouraging Americans to go on living their lives by resisting the terrorists' goal of defeating our economy, happened in the aftermath.

That Americans have faded back from that, with our notoriously short attention spans, is the fault of each and every one of us, not George Bush.  He asked for all those things and somewhere along the way we have apparently failed him, and ourselves, individually and collectively.
John is right. Bush showed zero clue as to how to approach the totality of the problem presented by 9/11. The president's #1 job, IMHO, is to motivate people to unite for a common cause. Telling them to go shopping should have indicated to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that this guy had little or no understanding of his role or the concept and importance of due diligence. It certainly should have occurred to Hillary and Mac when they were asked to entrust him with waging war in Iraq.
As a democrat I even have to agree with Senator McCain about this. It was a rare opportunity when the country could have rallied to really do something. No sacrifice was asked of anyone. Instead we got a back to business as usual followed by occasional fear mongering from the Bush Administration.
Republicans perfer to buy patriotism then to actually earn it. You will find plenty of republicans screaming they are patriots, but they will never lift a finger to help america. Republicans think government owes them money. Republicans also think they are above the law. They write rules for other americans but never feel they ever have to follow. Republicans especially love to tell other people how to run their lives, if they are patriotic, and love to spy on their fellow americans. These cowards want big brother governemnt to protect them. Republicans will be first in line to give away our freedoms and want government to tuck them in at night. A republican world is the same as the Soviet Union. They want government to watch, spy, patrol streets, look at our emails, listen in on our phone conversations, and control our actions.They want citizens to give bodily fluids to government. So the governemnt can check up on their citizens. This way you have to prove you are innocent before doing any job. I thought americans were innocent until guilty. Wait, not in a republican world. It is the other way around. Everybody is guilty and you must prove your innocence before getting a job. Republicans hate freedom. Republicans need fear and smear to scare americans to give up their freedoms so the republican party can protect them. In the republican world, it is basically a police state just like Russia. That is what republicans want. More government and less freedom.
If I recall, military recruitment soared in the wake of 9/11. National pride and solidarity was at its apex, and noone needed to tell people to go serve. I myself, having been honorably discharged a month earlier, immediately called my last unit to ask if the ready reserve was going to be recalled. But this and many other sensible steps were not taken after 9/11, and no where does asking people to be more patriotic and serve their country fit in.

The military in 2001 was already in a state of transition. My unit was opperating with only about 75% of the personell it was suppossed to have. The reorganization going on at the time to fill out 8 main combat divisions was sapping the operational capability of lower priority divisions. Stop-losses and individual ready reserve activations could have been instituted for soldiers who had not completed their 8 year contracts to fill out these suffering units. (Yes, all enlistments come with an 8 year obligation.) We could have gone into Afghanistan with twice or even three times the numbers, but my suspision is that our president had his eye on Iraq long before boots even hit the ground in Kabul.

So what I don't understand is why Senator McCain thinks that the mistakes of the last 8 years had anything to do with the service and support that Americans did or did not give to their country. If "mistakes were made," as so often seems to be the case for republicans of the last 27 years, it wasn't for lack of patriotism on the part of ordinary Americans. I remember being almost sick at all the banal bumpersticker nationalism, the vigorous flagwaving of all the "Johny-come-lately" patriots. But at the same time, I knew that meant that Americans were ready to to what it took to go after the criminals and terrorists who perpetrated that attack.

That gift of national unity was sorely abused, though. We knew where the perpetrators were, and we let them go. By we, of course I mean our president. His failure to sufficiently prosecute one war of certainty in order to pursue another war of suspicion is at the heart of what really should have been done after 9/11. This weak rebuke of our post-9/11 leadership is an underhanded insult to the American public.
McCain's obsessed with war.  If he wins the election, we are all doomed.
To little to late McWAR... why don't you go to the senior home and chill. You are way over your white haired head and you do not have what it takes to lead this country. Even if you were not sick and old you do not have the brains!  
"I think we should've told Americans to join the military"

They'll be doing that if they want to or not, Mr. Prezidunt.

Or maybe we could have spent $3 trillion here, training and hiring Border Patrol agents, State Dept., etc. - NOT closing fires stations and schools to pay for Bush's revenge.


"I think Americans are ready,..."

And if they're not they'd better get that way before they vote for another war monger.
He should have mentioned Bush's bungling o fhte wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He did not even bother to mention that. Nor did he get critical of his approach to Katrina. There is a long list of f*** ups that should have made Mcains speech, but he chooses that bull hockey. Crap McCain, just crap. If you are going to distance yourself from the Prez, at least pick something a little stronger to distance yourself from. Who even values what Bush says enuff to keep spending and taking trips to Disney World. Hell if Bush says to do something, maybe we should consider the alternative!!!
interesting ..this is what Barack Obama has been saying since he started his campaign, always delivering the 'we' message within his message of hope for america's future.  what can I say ..at least the message is catching on ..
I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. President Bush had a real chance to ask Americans to make real sacrifices, but decided it would be better if we "shopped". The real irony is if Bush would have asked Americans to make real sacrifices, he would have had an easier time passing some of his legislation that is currently curbing American liberties.
This is exactly what I've been waiting to hear from McCain! I knew it was in him.
He is the only candidate that is serious about what we have to face. We need somebody to get in there and slog away to get the hard work done. McCain is the only one with the sincerity, focus and perseverance to do it.
Admit it, Bush did a great job of pulling the country through a difficult time. Now McCain is the leader we need to move us forward.
Folks, in 1996 we had a chance to elect a veteran who would have never allowed al qaeda to turn into the international terrorist organization they are today. If we had elected Bob Dole, our military wouldn't be in shape it is in now. If the Iraq war was still necessary, then we would have gone in with more allies than we did with Bush. We would have blown bin laden to bits back in the '90's. I could go on.
The situation is what it is, now.
We need a leader. Visionaries are great, also. I just don't want to follow one into war. In case you forgot, we are at war. Everyone thinks since we left Vietnam everything was great. Problem is China was emboldened by that retreat and al qaeda thinks that we don't have the stomach for a guerilla war. BHO/HRC are proving them right. It's ugly, it's bloody, but we can win this type of war.
I don't want to sound masochistic, but we've only lost about 4,000 soldiers in 5 years of fighting. I know we got spoiled by Desert Storm (about 150 KIA), but please compare stats from other wars (over 33,000 in Korea(3yrs), over 47,000 in Vietnam(9yrs), and I won't even bring up the bloodshed in the World Wars).
People, we face an enemy like the flesh eating zombies from I Am Legend. Even if we lock ourselves in a bomb proof shelter, they will not stop until they get in and get us. Right now, they are proving their resolve right now. I plan to show mine with my vote in November.
McCain is correct to be critical of Bush Post 911. But he is critical of him for the wrong reasons statin that the President should have asked the people to make sacrafices instead of going shopping or taking a trip. Americans will always sacrafice and volunteer when it is clear and necessary that they need too. No, McCain has it wrong. He should be critical of Bush Post 911 for completely blowing the opportunity when all Americans were behind the President and ready to take up the fight against terrorism in the right way. But instead Bush blew this oppotunity by lying to the Amerciian people in order to invade a country that had nothing to do with 911 and then by continuing to lie to keep us bogged down in a conflict in Iraq while those responsible for 911, including the leader Bin Laden, continue to live and make threats against the US. This was a time when Amercians were ready to ban together to secure our borders and to hunt down those responsible for 911 no matter where they were in the world. Instead Bush took us down the wrong path and lied to the Amercian people to get them to follow. This great and rare opportunity when most of the Amercian people were united was lost by way of the most incompetent leadership. That is what McCain should be criticzing Bush about. But then of course such criticism would  then also reflect on McCain's own poor judgement of approving Bush to invade Iraq.  
"if it's clearly explained to them how important it is and the crisis and the challenges we face."

Here goes, John:

It's absolutely necessary to take half our treasury to Iraq, set it on fire, then spend the other half putting it out, because we need a class system like Brazil - 15% stinking, stupid rich and 85% living in slums."

How was that? Feel free to use it.
There is credence to McCains stance. Bush erred in not only adopting such a position,[go shopping]but that created by a premature ''Mission Accomplished''in Iraq,and the ''armed ville''concept before utilizing The Surge. [Here,Obama is caught flatfooted by his confusion regarding What To Do In Iraq].
             This mornings NPR and Washington Post capture an Obama contradicting his own arguments which were derailed by an interview caught by the BBC a few weeks ago with his former adviser Samantha Power,who rebutted the ''16 month withdrawl''timetable. Obama added to his own confusion by being unable to define the word ''stability'',in Iraq. We do not want to suddenly withdraw due to encouraging instability but we cannot stay due to same. Here is the thrust of Obamas argument as presented to NPR this morning.
 Clearly,the man is confused regarding the Iraqi Pandoras Box.[ McCain on the other hand,is freed from tacking back and forth to a leftwing,unlike Obama, who must toe the line].
 As a postscript,the MSM[including last nights COUNTDOWN[MSNBC],has engaged in either dishonesty[the more likely],or the sin of omission[just as bad when it comes to news,as we now see that the normally Bush-Iraq War hostile MSM jumped the shark and did not include the following information].
             As it turns out,the Pentagon has found[Sections 25-35 of its Findings],that the Iraqi Baathists were cutting deals with top players in the jihadist business who were not yet operating under an al Qaeda nameplate,yet rose to the tops of their ranks even before 9/11. Contacts were made with Egyptian Islamic Jihad,whose leaders included Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman,the ''Blind Sheikh''who orchestrated the first WTC bombing in 1993 and who himself was allied with al Qaeda.
          Al-Zawahiri was another Saddam government contact. Then in Islamic Jihad,he became Osama bin Ladens No.1.
           Al-Zarqawi,then in the Islamic Kurdistan Jihad organization[which places him in Iraq prior to the US invasion in 2003],was still another. Turning into Ansar-ul-Islam,this would morph into al Qaeda of Mesopotamia.[all the while,remaining inside of Iraqi sovereign territory].
 Thus did the MSM dubiously focus on semantics rather than persons. You can call it The Black Hand,or La Cosa Nostra,or The Syndicate,but it is still The Mafia. Same deal here. We find that Saddamist contacts with these organizations and al Qaeda chieftians[who,as al-Nasri and al-Zawahiri displayed,wore more than one jihadi hat], predated the 9/11 attacks.

www.dod.gov The United States Dept.of Defense

www.realclearpolitics.org

www.npr.org ''Morning Edition'' Mar.14,2008

Harvard University/The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Mar.12,2008''Study:Medias Anti-War Rhetoric Emboldens Iraqi Insurgents''.
Next week gasbag mccain will be praising the idiot cowboy for it. He tries to play the self righteous "maveric", but his head is so far up bush's ass he can't see daylight.
"Harvard University/The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Mar.12,2008''Study:Medias Anti-War Rhetoric Emboldens Iraqi Insurgents''."


Harvard - isn't that the disgrace that gave GWB an MBA?
bobf -
You have your parties way mixed up. Democrats want the government to be responsible for all the mishaps and want the government to bail everyone out of hard work, of personal responsibility etc...They want the government to be the ones to blame and want them to have the solutions...HELLO - where does the money come from? So THEY are the money-hungry ones!

JL in CO and my fellow BAMA blogger,
Thank you for your service to our country. Yes, I do think that you are right about the fact that we started two wars and have been less than prevailing in either. I think the idea Bush was going for was that the war on terror was going to be the most difficult and that it would be unprecedented and that it would be multi-leveled. I think he DID believe that Iraq had ties and that it would boost our military and the war on terror efforts to take out the most obvious and easily defeated enemy (Hussein). I don't believe that it was the best choice in hind sight, but I think that McCain's position is that we are here, have an important task to FINISH and must do what it takes to do that. No matter what we do at this point, there will be consequences. We should all remember that!
Bush handled this the same way he handled his obligation to serve out him commitment to the military. He searched and searched until he found a hiding place.Running away from having to think things through has been something he mastered during his presidency. And, why did it take McCain 7 years to "slap Dubya on his wrist?" We can thank Karl Rove for that, and now K.Rove want to be an integral part of McCain's team. How many of us can see something horrible rumbling down the road with that combination?
Who gave Bush and Obama the right to change the politics of a foreign nation? Did they ever stop to think that maybe that nation was happy with what they had. The last know person to try to change the world was Stalin and boy did he make a mess of things. If someone came to the United States and tried to change our way of living they wouldn't last long. and that is what we are facing in the Middle Est.
THANKS TO ILLEGAL LABOR-I AM 'volunteering'.
The BIBLE says to pay the worker an AMERICAN wage.


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