Delegate update

Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:54 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Clinton, Obama

From NBC's Mark Murray and Chuck Todd
According to our new numbers, Obama actually lost a pledged delegate in California, so that brings the NBC hard count to Obama 1,408, Clinton 1,251.

The Obama campaign announced the support from a new superdelegate, Margie Gavin Woods of Illinois. However, Woods was already on NBC's superdelegate list for Obama, so the super split remains Clinton 253, Obama 217.

That brings us to a total of Obama 1,625, Clinton 1,504.

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3 years after the war in Iraq, 60% of Americans still thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and links to Al Qaeda, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary (and the Pentagon’s OWN report saying it wasn’t so). Why? The Bush Administration’s constant PR barrage had worked.

1 year after Hillary Clinton announced her run for Presidency, a huge chunk of the Democratic Party and most of the mainstream media credit her as being the “experience” candidate. And yet, when the facts are exposed, this is an equally fallacious claim. Why do people buy it? Because the Clinton campaign practices the same politics as the Bush Administration. Here’s what the gameplan for both is: If the facts are inconvenient, just yell louder about whatever you want people to believe. Have every one of your surrogates spouting the same talking points. Repeat, repeat, repeat. If anyone questions you on the validity of your claims, ATTACK them as being “unpatriotic” (in the case of Bush) or “sexist” (in the case of Clinton). After awhile, people will start to believe them because they think, “yeah, I’ve heard that before, it must be true.”

Reality check (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 3:57 PM)

Good luck David Gregory on your new program. Let's hope you bring on some new, younger guests.

I'd be interested in their point of view in this upcoming election. They are coming out by the millions to play a part in this process and we'd like to know why.

Is it Barack Obama? If so, why?

Pat, Boston, MA (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:01 PM)

Chuck,

you are doing a great job tracking these delegates, but it would be better if you published NBC's Superdelegate list so readers would know when an announcement has any meaning.

turnip (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:03 PM)

That's 10% of what the Clintons received in Ohio, right? Big day in the Clinton homes.

Randy E (SC) (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:04 PM)

I'm assuming this loss is from the certification (late counting) in a county or something?? Oh well, can't win the all :)

Woman for Obama 08!

Lisa, New Britain, CT (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:06 PM)

Keep your head up Hillary supporters. We will be in the Oval Office. She has the experience and knowledge to get our economy back on track. Don't give up, only a few more months and she will get to work.

Louie, Louie (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:07 PM)

Obama is still in the lead. Doesn't Clinton wish they were all "winner take all" contests? If they were, she'd be ahead by about 145. If she doesn't do something with the next three contests, it will be really hard to show that she can do something better than Obama.

S.B. Stein E.B. NJ (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:07 PM)

The way the delegates are distributed is pretty obvious now. I wish Clinton supporters better understood this system and how the rules work. The idea that she can come back from 145 delegates down with so few states left to go is absurd. Florida and Michigan would swing maybe 10 delegates max. This is a fact. I'm not saying anything that isn't true. The only thing that can get Hillary in office now is some kind of stunt by her campaign that characterizes Obama horribly or some huge scandal where she is able to take 100 percent of the vote in every single state left. Good Luck with that.
Obama 08. Math is still math and to not pay attention to it is ridiculous.

Rod, SC (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:16 PM)

QUESTION: what delegates are currently outstanding? Still TX? Colorado? What are the predictions about those? Do these number take into account the TX caucus result in whole or in part?

ALSO: what states hold 're-caucuses' (similar to what happened in Iowa on saturday) prior to PA? I ask because THAT will be the delegate news from now until the 22 of April. Maybe Obama will gain more before PA than she will gain in PA.... etc.... Sorry for all the questions. Hire me and I'll seek answers for you instead of asking!!

Geoff in Brooklyn (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:17 PM)

Some people don't seem to understand that the Super Delegate count counts for nothing except on the day it actually matters. Super Delegates may and will change their vote as the situation dictates.

campdog (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:18 PM)

The bottom line:

It is going to be frustrating to wait until the Dem convention. We will follow these last few State primaries closley but the fact is that Hillary cannot catch Obama in the number of pledged delegates. The only way she could be awarded this nomination is if the superdelegates and party bosses were to go against the pledged delegate majority for Obama. Hillary knows this. Therefore, she is willing to damage and/or destroy the Dem party for self-promtion. Pelosi knows this. The other Dem leaders know this. The Superdelegates know this. And that is all we need to know.

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:19 PM)

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

This is the superdelegate counter I use. Democratic Convention Watch.

Lisa, New Britain, CT (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:19 PM)

Ya-hoo for Obama!!!
Experience, Schexperience! Supporters of Hillary keep drinking the Experience Koolaide. Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan are as experienced as she is. Hillary in the Oval Office is Four More Years of Bush & Co. Do we really want that to happen?

Barack Backer (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:23 PM)

Obama camp up with new video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7DVHh1h3-0

Dante (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:24 PM)

Back off Hillary supporters. She will not be in the Oval Office. She has lied about her experience and knowledge to get our economy back on track. Give up, only a few more weeks and she will be history.

Phyllis (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:25 PM)

Hillary to Mark Penn -- "I thought you told me that delegates don't count." Mark Penn to Hillary -- "Let's talk about this later. I need to take this call from John McCain."

Minnesota loves Obama.

Change we can really believe in --

Obama/Webb 08

Amy Andersen, Eden Prairie, MN (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:26 PM)

Yeah reality check. The reason for that is simply because Bush had an easier time lying Americans all the way to Iraq and even turned his back to the warnings of his intelligence agency. Hillary did not even read the intelligence reports.
I am worried Americans will again be deceived into voting for someone like Bush this election. Hillary's talk of experience has made me wonder why she is deliebrately lying. It will cost her an embarrassing defeat if she becomes the nominee unless she is upfront.

Bull the Dog (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:26 PM)

Now that's 38 superdelegates who've endorsed Obama since February 20th, while Clinton has picked up a mere 3. Clinton fans, our wise Democrats are making their voices heard. Let's listen and get this thing over with before total destruction prevents the Dems from occupying office.

LH Dallas (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:29 PM)

Obama supporters: We need 400 more. There are 566 to be elected by voters, 75 chosen by state parties, and about 250 uncommitted superdelegates. No matter what, Obama gets 250 of the elected, should get 40 of the chosen, leaving 110 of the 250 needed (that goes down by 30 if he gets half of those still to be elected).

The only danger is in seating the superdelegates from Florida and Michigan. He needs to effect a compromise that allows the seating of the elected delegates from those states (a MI re-vote is a good idea), but punishes the states by refusing to seat their superdelegates. It's the best public relations way out of the mess. Democracy and the Rules win, party muck-a-mucks lose and who gives a fig about them?

40 years in the dem-npl, bismarck, north dakota (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:29 PM)

Obama shows 1418 pledged on his web site, and backs up each one with a state-by-state break down.

It is not rocket science.

Why are you 10 delegates apart?

Bob the Official Delegate Accountant (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:32 PM)

OMG!!

Obama lost a delegate, well, give me a break the biggest fairy tale I have ever heard....

Obama has lost the election.

And adding injury to insult, he will drag Hillary or anyone else down, who is foolish enough to get on the ticket with him....

Probably the death knell of the Democrats presidential "hopes" for 2009. I don't like it either I wanted a Democrat to win, but it is looking very bad now....

Of course it's the typical flaky Democratic Party that has done this to itself. You can almost always count on them to implode and destroy themselves.

They need a Hillary, a Bill Clinton, a Machiavellian Prince, they need something, because Barack Obama in the general is a sure loss for the Democrats...

Forget stupid racism there is no reason to talk about it now.... "What's done is done."

You can't fix stupid, even trying to train it with negative reinforcment, is not going to work now. He will get killed by a backlash vote in the general election, and anyone who he touches there, will die with him.

The problem for Hillary now is, that she most likely can't win with Obama on the ticket.

But in a reverse backlash from AA's and fussy headed, guilt ridden, weak latte liberals, of whom neither group will vote, because Barack is not on the ticket.

Hillary can't win without him.... Talk about the weird twists of politics.

Francis Crosby.

Antil Reaganess, Columbus Georgia (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:36 PM)

I think the voters will put Hillary in the lead going into the convention. BO with Mr. Wrights help and Rezco should give people a better look at him. With a better look at him it makes Hillary the only choice we have.

Hillary lookin' goood (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:38 PM)

Ha, Ha, Ha,.....not so fast MSNBC.
Obama is tanking in the polls. (Nationally, only .08 up on Hillary now).
The speach he scheduled for tomorrow is obviously "damage control" over the release of his pastor's statements last week.
There is NOTHING this man has to say that any of us needs to hear.
He is a slick talking "charleton" and he needs to be scrutinuzed by the media a little more.

The Media's Too Soft on Obama (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:39 PM)

Just when some of the comments on these sites make one feel like loosing faith in the American public, a comment like that by "Bonnie" at 10:23 under "Iowa Update, Part II" yesterday fully restores your faith.

It would be great to know a lot more people just like her.

Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:39 PM)

Good point on the numbers as they would apply to the electorial college. Hillary is so far ahead, that when she wins Pennslyania and Michigan and Florida, she would win the general election with votes to spare. When the public fully learns about Obama, his church and its doctrine, its Pastor and from the Rezko trial, she should sweep all the remaining pramaries.

gene (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:40 PM)

Can you please give us the list of those superdelegates for each candidate? so we know which ones are really new..

thank you....

Angel (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:41 PM)

After hearing a week of Anti-American sermons from Sen. Obama's friend, advisor and Pastor, I suspect Sen. Obama has lost a lot more than just 1 delegate.

PA Voter (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:41 PM)

Francis Crosby,
What's it like to live in the land of delusion?

Just Wondering (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:50 PM)

Louie, Louie: '...Keep your head up Hillary supporters. We will be in the Oval Office...'

Is she planning on becoming an 'intern' for Obama ?
Maybe she can get more 'experience' that way

No cigar tricks in an Obama Administration, Hillary
You'll have to work to learn about foreign policy

Maybe Obama will let you sit with his doemstic advisors, too

You and Laura Bush could both help around the White House serving drinks or planning menus.....

PS:
I liked the song better than your post ....

Sierra, SF (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:52 PM)

Obama is going to be the 2008 Democratic Party nominee for the office of President. NEXT.

Blaine (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 4:58 PM)

the current numbers by the most updated and accurate count (real clear politics), - pledged delegates: obama- 1415, clinton- 1245. (obama +170).
super delegates: clinton- 248, obama- 213.
super and pledged delegates: obama- 1628, clinton- 1493. (obama +135).
texas current delegate count: obama 98, clinton 94.

if we run all the remaining primaries, include the disgrace of michigan and florida, the count will stay just about the same or with even bigger margin in favor of obama.
why all this misinformation about the counts and who Else would have been allowed to proceed with this bogus race while shooting the party in the foot? (maybe in the head)?
stop this now! save the real democratic cause!

jacob, los angeles, california (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:01 PM)

Are people blind and crazy?
Republicans are clearly voting for Clinton to stay in the race, because the Republicans are ready to chew her up and spit her out.

How else do you explain a party that despises her, voting for her.

Now she needs to get out of the race. I'm so sick of Clinton and her drama. Ingram and Limbaugh are clearly heading this disaster and the DNC party needs to put a stop to this!

119,000 voted for Clinton in Texas. She knows this and she is moving on like she is really winning and it PA, it's going to be the same. She needs to get out of the race!

Michelle Zee (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:02 PM)

OMG!!!

Antil Reaganess has a loose screw somewhere or has failed to learn to read. Repeat after me Antil....

Hillary can't win the nomination!!!! So no need to worry about Obama being on her ticket, and certainly no need to worry about her being on his. Because she would certainly drag down his chances and he would have to fight that much harder to beat McCain. Let's allow Obama a decent running mate so he can take McCain down while resting after this unorganized and hot air Hillary hurricane season.

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:05 PM)

Questions: I have had friends for a long time that i grew up with, lot longer than 20 years that i been with everyday not every sunday.

My friends smoke,drink,curse,cheat on wife and....But i have never done any of what they done.

Why the media,voters and radio believe OBAMA will be like his pastor because what or how the pastor talk.

Remeber think about your pastor you dont talk to him everyday,even every sunday .you chances being like you pastor is slim.

All i'm saying to all of you are you all like your friends if so you all have a promblem.

Sl from,PA (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:10 PM)

Obama sat down with the editorial boards at the Chicago Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune and both came away satisfied about the Rezko relationship. It's a dead duck.

HRC won't release her tax returns. She said "on or about April 22." Mark my words in will not happen in time for PA primary. She won't release her earmarks or list of donors for her husband's library. She is S-H-A-D-Y.

They can keep moving the goal posts but the game is already over. The only question is how much is Obama going to win by and when will they call the game.

HRC supporters stay on board the Dem train because 4 more years of Republicans is too high a price for bad feelings.

Mark, Cleveland, OH (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:11 PM)

Another thought: Clinton is 'Between Barack and a Hard Place.' The 'arguments' she uses in the media (Obama inconsistent on Iraq, Rezko silliness, plagarism silliness, refusing to release her own records, etc) may work with the oddly undecided voters to some small degree, but they likely put off the well-versed, in-the-know SuperDelegates that Clinton needs if she is to have ANY prayer. Superdelegates are in Obama's demographic: wealthy, highly educated. There is no way Hillary will get the majority of the remaining undecideds.

Geoff in Brooklyn (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:26 PM)

The idea that Hillary is more "experienced" than Obama is just SO SILLY. Why aren't more people calling her on it? She married well. Using her argument---that being married to the president, qualifies her for his job is unbelievable---especially for that job. The only thing she can even argue that she has done "on her own" was being elected Senator and does anyone really believe that she would have won that election without having been Mrs. Bill Clinton? She is exactly what feminists should object to---and this one does. I would like to see someone elected who has made it on their own---like Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. I would love to see a woman elected to the presidency---just not this one. She is not qualified. What has she ever done? She seems to have been successful at getting millions in earmarks for NY. I think they should be outlawed. Obama, on the other hand, pulled himself up from nothing. No rich daddy---not even an admiral for a Daddy. He came from nowhere on shear talent---and it is exactly the kind of talent we need right now---someone who can speak to the nation and bring us together to make some hard choices. Clinton is all politics and her attacks on Obama make me sick. That is exactly what we need to get away from. She needs to call it a day and go back to the Senate. She lies about her "accomplishments" and she has disqualified herself by her devisiveness, mean-spiritedness and dishonesty. She does not have the character, or qualities, we need in a president.

Virginia Stanley, Whitefield, ME (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:32 PM)

Well before I came of voting age (14 years ago) I've witnessed a constant with America's Democratic/Republican Presidential candidates above all others on their way to November in an election year.

Up to about 12 months prior to the election our candidates from the two parties, whom ensure they'll be the only two choices standing at election time, will be all about the "issues" facing our esteemed country. They'll spend the next three to four months trying to reshape what they said then and what they think now while dodging their accountability on xyz topics by pointing to their opponents position in ways that they hadn't done prior. During the final nine to eight months before the election they'll shift entirely to "your momma's so fat" tactics when dealing with their opponents while almost forgetting any of the "issues" that were discussed 10 months ago.

Looking back at the list of victors since I had the chance to vote in any Presidential election I see that the winner of it all is going to be the one whom is essentially the bigger bully in the run. This is why Clinton dumped Dole in 1996. This is why McCain and Gore lost to Bush Jr. in 2000. Why Kerry lost to Bush Jr. in 2004. Why Kucinich or Nader (being a 3rd party kills him anyway) will never have a chance and so on.

Remember how being on the bullies side was better than being on the opposite end when you were younger? How else could a country elect the two leaders of the last 16 years? We all know their track record of either adultery or suspected criminal activity or in one case both.

That being said unless McCain turns a 180 and puts on a clinic of how to do "your momma's so fat" and Hilary gets in there it's Clinton all the way in 2008.

Robert (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:46 PM)

PA Voter, actualy since then he has a net gain of 7 delegats. better luck next scandle.

ki houston (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:49 PM)

Oh,

I see that the Obama apologists are out in force today.. Get it through your heads guys, he stands NO chance against McCain.... Omama is done...

Thomas, Slidell, Louisiana (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:50 PM)

Well, I guess if Obama wins the nomination he can win the presidency without the rest of us (Clinton Supporters) because all of you Obama supporters have insulted us and therefore you have indicated you don't need us in the general election - so if we get to that state - you are on your own!

Donna Richardson, Antioch, TN (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:56 PM)

The anti-Hillary site is alive and well----KO,Matthews dog-faced Margret Carlson,the fired Tucker(now a guest)Ed Scultz,Mika and Joe----allsaying the same things and still kissing Obamas royal ring.

HT-MI (Sent Monday, March 17, 2008 5:58 PM)

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