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No re-vote in Florida

Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:55 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
First Read has obtained a letter from Florida Democratic Party chair Karen Thurman, in which she says there won't be a re-vote in her state. This seems to mean: 1) that Florida's delegates won't be seated; 2) that they will, via a vote from the credentials committee; or 3) that there will be some sort of compromise (like counting delegates by half).

"Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again," Thurman writes. "So we won't."

"A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline. This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April."

Here's the full letter...

Dear XXX,
For a year now, the Florida Democratic Party has tried to comply with the Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee.

We researched every potential alternative process - from caucuses to county conventions to mail-in elections - but no plan could come anywhere close to being viable in Florida.

We made a detailed case to the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, but we were denied.
Our Democratic legislators in Tallahassee tried to set the Florida primary on Feb. 5, instead of Jan. 29, but of course, their proposed amendment to House Bill 537 was greeted with laughter and derision from the Republicans who control the state government <<Link to Audio>>.
Does '537' ring a bell? It should. It's the number of votes that separated Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore in Florida in 2000.

It's the number that sent this country and this world in a terrible direction.

We can't let 537 - or the Republicans - determine our future again.

President Bush plans to stop in Florida tomorrow to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Republican National Committee's efforts to elect his successor in November.

The last thing America needs is a third Bush term. Despite the widespread anxiety that working families feel, not to mention the broad agreement among economists that we are in a recession, President Bush and John McCain blindly believe that the economy is strong.

And let me remind you that John McCain endorsed President Bush's decision to deny health care to thousands of Florida children by vetoing an expansion of the successful SCHIP program. McCain also promises to jeopardize the financial security of Florida seniors by privatizing Social Security. He continually threatens to push Florida's military families to the brink by keeping American troops in Iraq for "100 years" or more.

This is why we are Democrats, and this is why we must stick together, no matter where this ongoing delegate debate takes us.

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input.
Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again.

So we won't.

A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline.

This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates.

As the late great Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We must adjust our ideas to the facts of today… Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are."

The Florida Democratic Party has stuck to its principles throughout this debate. We've remained open-minded while never wavering from our commitment to an open and fair election that would allow all Florida Democrats to participate, whether serving in Iraq, retiring in Boca, studying abroad or entertaining at a theme park.

Another late great President -Abraham Lincoln, a Republican - said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

If Democrats heed this wisdom, we will win in November.

America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition.

President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction.

Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.

I will keep you posted on any major developments. Thank you for your concern and your commitment.

Sincerely,
Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

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Let the infantile behavior begin.  "Don't you DARE disenfranchise" us, etc, etc, etc.  

When your kid breaks the rules, you punish them.  You don't change the punishment if your kid throws a temper-tantrum in the middle of the grocery store.  And no, this is not like punishing your daughter for what you son did, as I've seen some try to point out.
It doesn't matter Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United states of America.

OBAMA IS DONE


Clinton 08
This leaves only one equitable option:  Split the delegates in half between Obama and Clinton.

This is THE ONLY fair option to both candidates.  Anything less is tantamount to a rigged and thus illegitimate election.
For those who say both Obama's and Clinton's names were on the ballot so the vote should count, you're delusional.  Hillary Clinton has MASSIVE name recognition advantages over Obama.  EVERYWHERE in which he has campaigned, his numbers have improved and hers have gone down.  And please spare us the drivel about the cable TV ads.
For those who say both Obama's and Clinton's names were on the ballot so the vote should count, you're delusional.  Hillary Clinton has MASSIVE name recognition advantages over Obama.  EVERYWHERE in which he has campaigned, his numbers have improved and hers have gone down.  And please spare us the drivel about the cable TV ads.
I hope the DNC that innocent people are being disenfranchised. For those Obama fans who will cheer, I ask you to think how you'd feel if  your state made it impossible for you to vote in probably the most important Presidential campaign ever.
Obama has divided the Democratic party. He destroys the party, and calls it unity. This is the hope he promised ?
This is not fair. The people voted it's not their fault they moved it up. Count the votes!!! FL seems to know better than some that we need Hillary. She had no adds on T.V. and BO did. We have to wake up and realize she is the one we need in the White House.
The last thing the Florida state government wants to do is anything that might help the Clinton campaign as they know she can beat McCain in Florida and Obama can't.
I am very happy to hear this news. Both Florida and Michigan should be punished for breaking the rules. The truth is neither Obama or Edwards campaigned in Florida and both Obama and Edwards names were removed from the ballot in Michigan. It would not be democratic and would disenfranchise voters if those states were allowed to seat their delegates. People who would have voted for Obama or Edwards in Florida but knew their votes would not count would have their voices ignored. Likewise, those who voted "uncommitted" in Michigan might have voted for Obama or Edwards if their names were on the ballot. I guess Clinton has to find another way to weasel out more delegates for her struggling campaign!
Now you see,Florida Voters, that's what happens when you don't sieze the responsibility of your leaders, that is what happens when you are so afraid of your leaders, that is what happens when your leadership turns its back on you.  I am ashamed that you are in my country Florida voters.  You allowed your leadership, your republican leadership, to discount your votes to further their own political agenda (I here tell the same thing happens in Russia quite often these days.) And now--now--when you have the chance to force "your leadership" "who broke the rules" to own up, and cough-up the money for a reasonable, fair election, and your spokes persons says--you don't want to vote?  How could this be.  All I can figure is that the good people of Florida have been cowed into submission by their leadership.  It's sad, very sad really--to think this should happen in America.  People of Florida--where are your voices--make your leadership pay out of their own pockets if needs be!
I hope Florida "UNDERSTANDS" what Ms. Thurman is saying.  Florida has just as much to lose (or more given the foreclosure rate, inflation, etc.) as the rest of us if another status-quo Republican like McCain wins the presidency, so hopefully there will be no sour grapes from Florida come November.
Funding for a Florida revote could have been obtained simply by setting up a single Florida Revote Online Fund and having any American, especially Democrat, in the country contribute.  Someone or some persons sabotaged this clear solution by pretending there was no solution, i.e., the cost of a primary revote!!  
Rut roh, Hillary's gonna be mad!
“America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition. President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction. Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.”  -- Karen Thurman

Democrats, do you hear this?  Whatever else we do, we go into this fray together.  The alternative is unthinkable.
Change we can really believe in --

Obama/Webb 08
They voted...count them. This is crazy to say a person can not count. This is their right as an American. They pay taxes, they should count. If Barry had won they would be counted. Like his initial's BO he's starting to stink.
Sounds fair to me.

Hillary Clinton signed the pledge that Michigan and Florida wouldn't count.  I'm glad they are sticking to the rules.  No fair re-vote can be decided, so it's better to just leave it be.  

I wouldn't want Hillary Clinton's integrity to be compromised by her having to go against a signed pledge not to count Michigan and Florida...
Hillary won Florida. Obama rand T.V. adss in Florida. It was a republican legislature that moved the elections, not the 1.7 million democrates that voted. Count it!!! Obama is done.
Hillary didn't break the rules idiots.  The republican governor and republican florida house broke the rules.  So all Obama supporters are saying that the votes in Florida shouldn't count?  Maybe that's because you all realize that if they did count Hillary would gain huge ground on him.  WE NEED FLORIDA IN THE GENERAL ELECTION-- Even if it's Obama he will need Florida---  If they don't seat the delegates McCain will win handily and there goes the white House for another 4 years
Does this mean that Hillary won't be able to cheat in Florida?
How many Floridia Democrats will vote in Nov? If they do, how many do you think will vote for the Democratic party? We're screwed. As far as splitting the delegates, no way. The people voted. So what if they didn't campaign there. Pretty sure most people in FL have a TV and/or radio and/or computer and knew who Obama was!


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