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Obama: McCain will beat Hillary on experience

Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:12 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
FAYETTEVILLE, NC -- On the fifth anniversary of the Iraq war, Obama renewed his argument that those with long-term experience in Washington lacked the wisdom to properly bring the war to an end and claimed that Democrats could not win in November if they ran on claims of experience against McCain.

Pointing to Clinton's argument that both she and McCain had passed the "commander-in-chief test," Obama argued that the argument was more focused on years spent in Washington than it was on the judgments made in those years.

"There is a security gap in this country -- a gap between the rhetoric of those who claim to be tough on national security, and the reality of growing insecurity caused by their decisions. A gap between Washington experience, and the wisdom of Washington's judgments. A gap between the rhetoric of those who tout their support for our troops, and the overburdened state of our military," he said.

Obama targeted as many of his remarks against McCain as he did Clinton, a tacit acknowledgment that an overriding concern for Democrats is who is best able to beat the Republican nominee in November. Obama openly said that Clinton's emphasis on experience as an overriding factor in choosing a president would lead Democrats to failure.

"It is time to have a debate with John McCain about the future of our national security. And the way to win that debate is not to compete with John McCain over who has more experience in Washington, because that's a contest that he'll win," he said.

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer emailed this response to Obama's speech: "The reality is that Senator Obama took practically no action to end the war until he started his White House run while Senator Clinton has been a consistent critic of Iraq for many years."

Obama's Iraq speech offered little in the way of new policies, but it had an "I told you so" tone. Obama pointed to his summer 2007 speech in Pakistan as an example of where he was criticized for his judgment. But then that judgment, he claims, was adopted by McCain, Clinton and President Bush.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-level al Qaeda targets in Pakistan's border region, we must act if Pakistan will not or cannot. Sen. Clinton, Sen. McCain, and President Bush have all distorted and derided this position, suggesting that I would invade or bomb Pakistan. This is politics, pure and simple. My position, in fact, is the same pragmatic policy that all three of them have belatedly -- if tacitly -- acknowledged is one we should pursue."

Obama went on to say that after he had called for a stronger line against Pakistan, a top al Qaeda leader had been taken out by American aircraft in Pakistan in a targeted strike. "And remember that the same three individuals who now criticize me for supporting a targeted strike on the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attacks, are the same three individuals that supported an invasion of Iraq -- a country that had nothing to do with 9/11," he added.

He also provided stronger language on one of his underlying themes for how to address international terrorism, arguing that it was individuals not states who held the power to threaten the United States and that was why US policy should emphasize a battle to win the hearts of minds of the Muslim world.  

He called for expanding aid by USAID, doubling the Peace Corps, and creating an America Voice Corps to spread positive messages about the country. He also called for engaging with China and Russia, but argued that the United States had to be a strong voice for human rights, saying that the United States should start by "speaking out for religious freedom for the people of Tibet."

The speech drew some laughs as well, as Obama poked fun at McCain's statements on Iraq. "That's why this Administration cannot answer the simple question posed by Sen. John Warner in hearings last year: Are we safer because of this war? And that is why Sen. McCain can argue -- as he did last year -- that we couldn't leave Iraq because violence was up, and then argue this year that we can't leave Iraq because violence is down."

And Obama touched on McCain's gaffe in Iraq yesterday. "Just yesterday, we heard Sen. McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and al Qaeda. Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no al Qaeda ties," he said as the audience chuckled.

Obama's speech today will be followed by another address on Iraq tomorrow and how it has impacted the economy.

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Nothing about the best line in the speech?

Pointing out that McCain says he'll follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but not to where he actually goes?
RGO wrote: the same stupid people who voted for an inexperienced Bush in 2000 are now voting for Obama. These are people that ignore the facts and issues and choose to go with the flow and vote for whomever makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside ..... are these the people you are talking about :)- Yes RGO.  You must be one of the "smart" ones who supports a candidate who tells you she is responsible for SCHIP and then we find out that wasn't the case.  You're one of the "smart ones" who supports a candidate who claims responsibility for Northern Ireland peace and Bosnian open borders and then we find out that's not true also.  You must be one of the people who keep spouting about her "experience" when there's NOTHING to back up her claims.

North Carolina is Barack Obama country!

No more Drama, Vote Barack in '08!
Who's trying to disenfranchise voters ?
Hillary wants to delay the Texas results
WHY ?


From Huff Post:

'...Texas Dems reject Clinton effort to delay caucuses

By Anna M. Tinsley | Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2008 email  

Texas Democratic leaders said Monday that they will not delay the March 29 conventions that will help determine how many delegates are awarded to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama or set up "unnecessary" verification processes to review those who already cast their votes.

Clinton's camp sent a letter Friday asking that the March 29 conventions at the senatorial district or county level — the next step in the state's hybrid of a primary election and caucus — be delayed until signatures from the conventions held March 4 could be verified.

The party said no. "The overwhelming majority of problems reported in Texas do not affect the legitimacy of delegates allocation," Texas Democratic Party Chairman Boyd Richie said in a statement. "The Texas Democratic Party will not do as suggested by one campaign and circumvent party rules to set up an unnecessary, ad hoc 'verification' process that could effectively disqualify delegates selected at their precinct conventions after the fact."

Read the full story at Star-Telegram.com.

Judgement-  He is talking about judgement-  He better take a good look in the mirror.  He is a liar (rezco donations, what he heard in church),  He is all talk-  He is toast
FIRST READ:  Thank you for finally posting something about Obama's Iraq speech.  Why note cover in even more depth?  Why not ask commentators to speek on it the way you did with the race speech?  Why not go in depth on her record of statemetns on the war and his?  Do some real coverage?  Isn't this at least as important as the race speech?  It is a VERY good point that McCain can beat Hillary on the same point Hillary is trying to beat Obama with -- years in washington.
Obama get serious you have already lost!  No one is going to vote for you and Wright.  You can spew all the guilt around you want we are not fooled by your lies and deceit.  Same on you fro exposing your children to such hate and fear mongering in CHURCH no less!  Get a grip you are OVER! We got it WRIGHT this time!
Hillary's 3 claims of experience in foreign policy have been entirely debunked:

Northern Ireland Peace?  the people involved say she was not responsible

Bosnian Borders?  She traveled to Bosnia AFTER the borders were opened on a USO entertainment boondoggle with Sinbad and Cheryl Crow

Anything else?  Yes, she did give an excellent speech in Beijing in 1995.   And now she's the one criticizing her opponent for "only having a speech."  Isn't it ironic?
Well, as far as McCain beating Hillary on experience.

I have a Masters Degree in National Security Research and Analysis - my SME (subject matter expertise) happens to be both foreign and domestic national security concepts...

And from ALL my research...

MY VOTE GOES TO SEN. CLINTON !!
Obama can't even figure out his best friend and pastor is a racist, and his neighbor (Rezco) is a crook. What kind of judgment would he have if we were so unfortunate to have him in the White House?
ANYONE BUT OBAMA.

How dare Obama lump every priest,rabbi, pastor, with his racist pastor.

GREAT JOB AT INSULTING EVERY RELIGION DURING HOLLY WEEK.

ANYONE BUT OBAMA

OBAMS SOLUTION ELECT ME AND ALL YOUR SINS WILL BE FORGIVEN
Bring the hammer Obama.  And no, it's not inconsistent with hope or with a new politics.  It's standing up to the 2 bullies who are attempting to slime you.
Obama knows his stuff!  He's not just a leader, an inspiration, a visionary...he's also a man of intelligence, experience, forsight, and knowledge of the global affairs.  I am more and more sure of my support for Obama every day!

YES WE CAN!
Obama '08
I can not wait for Hillary to get her payday someday. During the Texas primary the 3:00am phone call was played over and over again scaring all Texans. How pitiful Hillary! Time magazine published a great article last week on the lack of experience that Hillary Clinton showed during Bill Clinton's presidency. Payday someday is coming now and I can't wait to see her get her due.
His point about making the general election about experience is a salient one.

I have a great deal of respect for Senator Clinton, and her resume is certainly longer (if not necessarily more substantial) than Senator Obama's.  However, in an experience battle, Senator McCain wins hands down.  I doubt even the most ardent Clinton supporter could realistically think that she'll be able to convince voters that she's more qualified to be president based soley on experience.

That is why democrats must make this election about judgement.  Cynics will say that Obama takes this line because of his thin resume, but the point remains that if we allow the general election to be framed in terms of experience, the democrats will lose soundly.

Judgement matters.  
Yes tell us Obama about your judgment,  friends with Rezco,  friends with your racist, hate filled anti america Pastor wright.  Friends with William Ayers the terrorist.
Tell us how you lied to the American people all weekend about sitting in the pews of this "hate and god damn america"  church and listen to this racist pastor for 20 years.

Good judgment? THat's a joke.
Yes tell us Obama about your judgment,  friends with Rezco,  friends with your racist, hate filled anti america Pastor wright.  Friends with William Ayers the terrorist.
Tell us how you lied to the American people all weekend about sitting in the pews of this "hate and god damn america"  church and listen to this racist pastor for 20 years.

Good judgment? THat's a joke.
Let's see if we can make sense of this.....

McCain:  Graduate of the navel academy
Clinton:  Graduate of Wellesley college

McCain:  fighter pilot of Vietnam
Clinton:  fought against the war in Vietnam

McCain:  Shot down over north Vietnam
Clinton:  About to be shot down by Barack Obama

McCain:  Tortured by North Vietnam
Clinton:  Tortured by Bill Clinton

McCain:  caught up in Keating five
Clinton:  caught up in numerous scandals

McCain:  Can't get immigration right
Clinton:  can't get her stories right about foreign policy

McCain:  sings Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran
Clinton:  Sings the star spangled banner off key

McCain:  Passed many bills in the Senate
Clinton:  Still waiting

McCain:  has the wisdom of being involved in war and terror
Clinton:  Stood behind her husband at ceremonies

Barack is right...
Hillary has no experience whatsoever....
Yes tell us Obama about your judgment,  friends with Rezco,  friends with your racist, hate filled anti america Pastor wright.  Friends with William Ayers the terrorist.
Tell us how you lied to the American people all weekend about sitting in the pews of this "hate and god damn america"  church and listen to this racist pastor for 20 years.

Good judgment? THat's a joke.
I'm surprised that Phil Singer didn't trot out that rusty old line about "that sounds audacious but not hopeful."   Get used to it.  Barack's going to stand up for himself.  There's nothing incongruous with being tough and hopeful.
why not give this speech as much coverage as his speech on race? it seems that the media would still rather paint him as black than as a leader. . . what's the matter msnbc? clintons got your tongue after they didn't like olbermann's special comment?
This is where Barack shines the brightest. Hillary tried to throw him off task but he's showing he will not be distracted. That's leadership.
Obama '08
does anybody still listen to what Obama has to say?

who cares what this clown says he is done.There is no way the white sinners of America  are voting for him in November.

ANYONE BUT OBAMA
Obama have gone nuts today in saying Hillary lacks judgement on Iraq.

Obama you have been associated with a anti-american racist extremist pastor for 20 years.

This more than BAD JUDGEMENT!!!

Also, Obama was the first politician to call for IMUS to be fired from MSNBC and he said if one of his staff members made racist statements they would be fired.

Apparently he wasn't talking about his pastor, who was a member of his spirtual advisor board.

Yup - McCain's "experience" and Bush's policies - exacerbated. Best of both worlds. The right wing in this country can't tell a war-mongering fascist from a president.
Obama get serious you have already lost!  No one is going to vote for you and Wright.  You can spew all the guilt around you want we are not fooled by your lies and deceit.  Same on you fro exposing your children to such hate and fear mongering in CHURCH no less!  Get a grip you are OVER! We got it WRIGHT this time!
HP Boston (Sent Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:23 PM)

In case you did not know HP....
Obama is winning right now......

Is he no different then Bill exposing his daughter on how he treats women?
Obama get serious you have already lost!  No one is going to vote for you and Wright.  You can spew all the guilt around you want we are not fooled by your lies and deceit.  Shame on you for exposing your children to such hate and fear mongering in CHURCH no less!  Get a grip you are OVER! We got it WRIGHT this time!


No dumb dumbs, Obama has no experience whatsoever. Experience hating whites maybe. Experience getting a real estate deal from a crook. His mentor and confidant is racist for God sake! That adds up to NOTHING.
A brilliant speech and a companion to his speech on race.

He ate McCain for breakfast on this one with his clear grasp of the players, and his outline of a pragmatic, specific approach to combating terror.

He realizes the real fight is in Afghanistan and Pakistan and he has been proven right in his approach of intervening IF Pakistan will not.

Pragmatic and achievable his plans display a vision for restoring the international integrity of the United States.

A speech definitely deserving of MORE airplay.
[[And Obama touched on McCain's gaffe in Iraq yesterday. "Just yesterday, we heard Sen. McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and al Qaeda. Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no al Qaeda ties," he said as the audience chuckled.]]

Awww. That was mean of Obama, picking on a befuddled and confused  old man like that.  And the Democrats needs to show more of  that meanness if the US is to be saved from 4 more years of misrule, economic disaster, and unnecessary wars  that are certain to be the consequences of electing  that befuddled old man to be president.

Jim of N Carolina who thinks your state is Obama country. You better look at todays polls. Shes up to tied there and gaining in Pennsylvania. The racist Obama will lose both.
Obama Judgement ??

Ummmm,
Tony Resko (17 years)
Rev. Wright (20 years)  and SOON TBA - -
William Ayers

Anyone else see a pattern here?
It is time for Party Leaders to rally around Obama as Hillary is tearing the country apart with racial and gender divide.  The country is more divided than ever since she has started her run for Presidency.  This is selfish and egotistic.  The country's welfare is much bigger and more important than her winning.
obamas heart breaking speech just more bull shit like his working to help steelworkers please stop this shamm.
I see patty,sd,ca is still campaigning for McCain
Jerry, you are a right wing republican. Get your nose out of Obamas backside. Its unbecoming.
Does anybody else find it ironic that Obama winced at some of the stereotypes his grandmother spewed and yet when in a national debate he is asked about Bill Clinton being the first black president he said qualification was based on his dancing ability? As a black woman I just wonder whar would have happened if Hillary had been asked that question and said well he IS a great dancer......She would have been politically dead.
Well, as far as McCain beating Hillary on experience.

I have a Masters Degree in National Security Research and Analysis - my SME (subject matter expertise) happens to be both foreign and domestic national security concepts...

And from ALL my research...

MY VOTE GOES TO SEN. CLINTON !!

American Voter (Sent Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:25 PM)
____________

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH  *gasp* HAHAHAHAHAHAH

You fit in real well with the delusional crowd surrounding Clinton if you honestly think ANYONE believes you.
Wake up and smell the coffee,
Great advice.  You'll find every single one of the things Hillary Clinton points to as backup for her audacious claims of experience are hollow.  You've fallen for the best PR campaign your own money can buy.
To be honest, this is an argument I was saying weeks ago (in the leadup to Ohio and Texas).  Hillary made the national security argument "experience".  And I always said that was not the best argument since in a choice on experience between Clinton and McCain the winner is clearly McCain (just being honest).  I thought it was bad she framed the argument to do that but she did it because she wasn't thinking of the general election.  Her back was to the wall and she was facing elimination in the Dem. primary.

Winning the battle (she made some points in Ohio and TX albeit with Limbaugh voter help) but she loses the war (the general).  Barack runs a different national security/foreign policy campaign against McCain altogether.

Maybe Barack was reading my postings LOL (no I'm not that egotistical, just kidding)
Absolutely right ! If I have to decide for the candidate with the most experience in Washington, the the choice is clear : John McCain !

If you want change and an effective, strong president who leads us to a better America : Barack Obama!

If you prefer a Congress Devided, scandals over scandals and dreams rotten in the tracks: Vote Billary.
I have long been convinced that patty, sd, ca is really a Republican...have been all along.  And there are quite a few multiple personalities too.  
John Doe,
Are you a Catholic? If so, you are a serial pedophile. Or, if you are afollower of John Hagee, you are a bigot for blaming New Orleans for Katrina.
So, clearly you are an advocate of guilt by association -- you associate Obama with whatever stupid anyone says or does, and then consider Obama to be exactly the same as that person who did or said stupid things.
You are so biased that only bigots will appreciate your posts.
Jerry,

If you match Obama with McCain it's worst. Obama wasn't a POW for 5 years? WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOW TO FIGHT IN COMBAT.

Please, don't tell me that Obama is admitting that he have no experience to be President.
Look, EVERYBODY beats Clinton on experience.

Her experience is all vicarious: 20 years of First Ladyship doth not giveth judgment.

No foreign policy experience (just see TIME magazine or the Boston Globe on how laughable her claim here are).

No substantive legislative accomplishments in her 7-year Senate career.

No substantive legislative accomplishments when she was in the White House. (The S-CHIP bill was all Congress's work, but she continues to take false credit).

Her only experience is that she's been in the public consciousness longer.

Senator Obama has been a legislator for 11 years, getting real bills of substance passed in both Illinois and in the U.S. Senate. In the U.S. Senate: He got a landmark ethics bill passed. He got a transparency in federal spending bill passed. He got a curtailment of nuclear proliferation bill passed.

Clinton named libraries and announced days to honor specific people.

The joke is on us, because the media has bent over backwards to not vet Clinton's non-experience. Vet this candidate, please. Expose the emptiness of her experience and her unfitness to be President.
It is time for Americas Leaders to rally around HILLARY as OBAMA is tearing the country apart with racial and gender divide.  The country is more divided than ever since he has started his run for Presidency.  This is selfish and egotistic.  The country's welfare is much bigger and more important than his winning.
Why has he not disavowed Wright?  Why has he not apologized for hating America and the disrespect he showed his Grandmother?  Why does he continue to support the hate that permeates his church?  WHY???

Hillary Clinton = evil incarnate
John McCain = confusion incarnate
Barack Obama = the next president of the United States
Obama '08
BTW FR, you did not psot the following. People are attacking other, and with action there should be reaction...
ME, CA
Yes, Patty, J. Merle and his Band of Bigots won't accept realities and prefer to lvie by htier impulses. I have enver read a single post from Patty with legitimate facts to back up her crazed way of thinking. The only thing I can think of is that she is a pure bigot and very lacking an objective education (could it be that ehr parents are too ignorant to provide her with a meaningful and fulfilling education?) or that she may be a Republican in disguise trying to scare up votes. And J. Merle is probably  habitual dope dealer who fogged his ability to think clearly and effectively and come up with honest facts. He probably hates honesty and prefers to cling to bigotry.
People who cannot accept honest dialogues and cannot go by the facts don't want to do themselves a favor of making themselves informed and intelligent beings.
I have a Masters Degree in National Security Research and Analysis - my SME (subject matter expertise) happens to be both foreign and domestic national security concepts...

And from ALL my research...

MY VOTE GOES TO SEN. CLINTON !!

American Voter (Sent Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:25 PM)

What, you got your degree at the University of Tehran?


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