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The delegate fight: The narrow path

Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:13 AM by Mark Murray

The New York Times’ Nagourney has CW-setting expectations for Clinton and her fight for the nomination now that FL and MI are essentially dead:
1) "She has to defeat Mr. Obama soundly in Pennsylvania next month to buttress her argument that she holds an advantage in big general election states."
2) "She needs to lead in the total popular vote after the primaries end in June."
3) "And Mrs. Clinton is looking for some development to shake confidence in Mr. Obama so that superdelegates."

More: "Clinton’s advisers had hoped that the uproar over inflammatory remarks made by Mr. Obama’s longtime pastor that has rocked his campaign for a week might lead voters and superdelegates to question whether they really know enough about Mr. Obama to back him. Although it is still early to judge his success, the speech Mr. Obama delivered on race in Philadelphia to address the controversy was well received and praised even by some Clinton supporters."

And: "Clinton’s advisers said they had spent recent days making the case to wavering superdelegates that Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright would doom their party in the general election. That argument could be Mrs. Clinton’s last hope for winning this contest."

So will the Clinton campaign be walking a fine line using Wright to make the case to superdelegates? Or does it make some of these undecided supers uncomfortable that the Clinton campaign is using it?

The Clinton campaign was able to wrangle 10 donors who promised to pony up $12 million for the Michigan revote, including Peter Angelos. Many Orioles fans probably are wondering why he won't use that $12 million for more steroid-free hitters.

Chris Dodd, who has endorsed Obama, released this statement on Michigan: "Even though I left my name on the ballot, it is clear that the results of the January 15th primary should not be used to apportion delegates. Many candidates were not on the ballot and many voters who might have voted in the Democratic primary did so in the Republican primary. Now, those voters would not be able to participate in a re-do election. For that reason, as well as concerns about private funding and concerns raised by clerks who would have to administer this election, the best outcome is to come to an arrangement where the delegates are apportioned fairly between Senators Obama and Clinton, so the Michigan delegation can participate fully in the Denver convention."

So is Obama's lead among the pledged delegates a large lead or not? Some have tried to argue that trailing by 150 delegates isn't a lot. But keep this in mind: Obama has won 53% of all the pledged delegates awarded to date, so he's up by 6 points on the pledged delegate front, but 2 percentage points on the popular vote.

Some Florida state Democratic lawmakers put out a new proposal to seat Florida's delegates. "The plan offered by the lawmakers would provide for 100% seating of Florida’s delegates. The compromise solution calls for 50% of the delegates to be awarded based upon the results of the January 29th Florida Presidential Primary vote. The other 50% of delegates could be allocated according to any of several formulas, including but not limited to:
-- an even 50/50 split,
-- a proportional share based on the total popular votes received nationally  excluding Michigan and Florida,
-- a proportional share based on the total delegate counts nationally excluding Michigan and Florida.

The one thing to keep in mind when you hear about various proposals to split the delegates: Even if the campaigns agree to something, the plan has to be approved by the credentials committee, so nothing becomes final until then.

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There is no question about it, Obama is afraid to re-do Florida and MIchigan becasue he knows he cannot win in big states and he knows that his first place is only becasue the stated with strong AA presence.  If he really love democracy and care about the process, he will accept teh challenge and accept to re-do it in florida and Michigan, but he is just too afraid to face the reality that his days of glory is over, most american now are getting to know him better and the better they know him, the most dissappointed they are, because at the end, Obama is just another politician with his own agenda. just like Bush
This is a huge deal, even though Obama cult members don't want to hear it. Pastor Wright was his mentor, confidant and teacher for 20 yrs. This man taught Obama how to hate whites, and jews and pretend you're not racist when the situation serves your own purpose. We got a small piece of what this couple really feels when Michelle Obama said this was the first time in her life she was proud of this country.This is all extremist beliefs and ideology. This couple is NOT who Americans want in the White House. This kind of thinking is very scarey. I hope Obama does not get the nomination because, as a democrat and for the first time in my life, I may not vote, or will seriously considering voting for McCain. Two awful choices.
So, suppose the Obama and Clinton campaigns reach an accord on the apportionment of delegates from MI and FL and agree to submit it to the credentials committee for approval in Denver.  What's to prevent Clinton from reneging on the deal - just as she reneged on her pledge  to support the DNC sanctions against those two states?
"Clinton’s advisers said they had spent recent days making the case to wavering superdelegates that Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright would doom their party in the general election. That argument could be Mrs. Clinton’s last hope for winning this contest."

Translated to mean, "Even though we know that Obama does not ascribe to Wright's ideals, we are going to side once again with the right to through Obama under the bus just to give our candidate an advantage".

What more can you expect from the Clinton campaign!
It makes me heartsick to think that Hillary would employ the Republican-like tactic of appealing to the superdelegates' "worser angels" by exploiting the Reverend Wright issue.  But if history is any indication, she doesn't care how far she has to lower herself to win.
Dems made the WRONG choice with Obama yet again. No wonder John Kerry rushed to his side to back him. This should have been an omen to all democrats. Boy, are we stupid!!!
Can there be any doubt ?
Can there be any argument ?

The Clintons have re-introduced race-baiting into the campaign
I guess the media hasn’t noticed

First, there was the picture of Obama in a Somali costume
That lasted a few news cycles

Then, there was PA Gov. Ed Rendell who jsut happened to say many people wouldn’t vote for a black man.
Good for a news cycle

Then, the case of Geraldine Ferraro
Obama wouldn;t be here if he was white or a woman
That dominated the news cycle for a few days
Was she being stubborn by repeating her claims and demanding an apology ?
Or was she asked to keep the controversy alive
For a week or two

Now, Rev Wright’s videos appera
Where did THEY come from ?
Does anyone remember Bob Novack saying the Clintons told him they had SOMETHING on Obama ?


These aren’t coincidences
They aren’t ‘accidents’
They are planned, choreographed  ‘race-baiting’ by the Clinton campaign
Charming, isn’t it ?

Does anyone remember the constant whining by the Clintons about the press giving Obama a ;free pass’ ?

Now, Bill is complaining he was ‘mugged’ about race in SC

It’s NOT the Republicans who are guilty of race baiting...... It’s the Clintons
It’s planned
It’s calculated
It’s cold-blooded, unethical and soulless

Is there any depths that they won’t sink to ?

Is THAT the politician you want in the White House for the next four years ?

Can you possibly support a candidate/candidates who sunk this low ?

Write your Democratic office holder and ask, no DEMAND they stand up to this nonsense

The first viable African-American candidate for President
An honest and decent man

AND HILLARY IS RACE-BAITING HIM !!
And Obama can make the case (to the supers) that a Hillary nod will likely cause the Dems to lose both the White House and Capitol Hill in the Fall (yup, its the coattails argument).

If the supers are inclined to feel they can overturn the traditional indicators (in this case mostly the delgate count with popular vote thrown in), then they really have to make a sophisticated analysis and not turn on the immediate media blitz on Pastor Wright.  They need to see how this plays out over a longer period of time...  Hillary got all those weeks of losing in Feb. to stay in the race.  We owe Obama the same courtesy of being able to stump beyond this issue.

I'm confident that Obama still has a wide swath of support and no matter how you feel about him, the Clintons are so problematic in so many ways (those negatives, those tactics, those ethics, the desparation).  Similar on issues, who's really the groundbreaking candidate...

Woman for Obama 08
I commend Hillary for her determination, however, I find her tactics deplorable. A "whatever it takes" attitude is great, but not with a resulting wake of destruction that will eventually just detract from moving forward. She really needs to pull the plug on her campaign and call it a day .....now, that would be the true patriotic thing to do...but then again it's not about patriotism as it about Hillary's own personal agenda. I have been submitting comments to a number of "first read" articles but they don't seem to get out.  On the other hand it seems every "dribble" from Patty D gets printed. Perhaps it's all about affirmative action.  It's nice that they let her have a computer to use wherever she is being cared for.
THRUTH IS TRUTH NO MATTER HOW YOU SAY IT OR TO WHO.
WE DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT OBAMA OR HIS TRUE FEELINGS.EACH TIME HE GIVES A SPEECH.IT IS SOMEONE ELSE'S WORDS NOT HIS.HE SAYS ONLY WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR BUT HAS NO PLAN OF ACTION AFTER THAT.HE WILL RUIN THE ELECTION FOR THE DEMOCRATS!!!
I'm sure at times Senator Obama, especially early in his career, has had to maneuver as a traditional politician, in order to build a base. I won't hold that against him.

How sad would it be if we, as a country, would reject the most hopeful, potentially great president in generations, simply because his pastor has serious issues to work out?

I'm a 48 yr old white male from MI. I have some college and earn around 50k yr. I am not naive and do not drink kool-aid. Please don't insult my intelligence by accusing me of being brain washed. I can assure you, I am not.

I think MI should not have a re-vote. After Senator Obama has secured the nomination, I'm certain a reasonable solution to seating MI and FL delegates will be reached. You can not change the rules once the contest has begun. PERIOD

I do not hate Hillary or Bill. I try not to hate anyone. I could not bear it if she were to steal the nomination and if she were to pull it off I would vote for someone else.

We as a country have a once in a lifetime opportunity to take this great country, that I served honorably, to a place we could only dream of. Please give this man a chance. If history teaches us anything, Hill or McCain will be more of the same.

I appreciate all of the intelligent opinions here but not the thoughtless words of hate and intolerance.

Obama/Webb 08'
Florida needs to learn when to sit down and stfu. They do nothing but screw up election after election, yet continue to stamp their feet and scream for national attention. Just secede already, the rest of us don't care.
I'm sure at times Senator Obama, especially early in his career, has had to maneuver as a traditional politician, in order to build a base. I won't hold that against him.

How sad would it be if we, as a country, would reject the most hopeful, potentially great president in generations, simply because his pastor has serious issues to work out?

I'm a 48 yr old white male from MI. I have some college and earn around 50k yr. I am not naive and do not drink kool-aid. Please don't insult my intelligence by accusing me of being brain washed. I can assure you, I am not.

I think MI should not have a re-vote. After Senator Obama has secured the nomination, I'm certain a reasonable solution to seating MI and FL delegates will be reached. You can not change the rules once the contest has begun. PERIOD

I do not hate Hillary or Bill. I try not to hate anyone. I could not bear it if she were to steal the nomination and if she were to pull it off I would vote for someone else.

We as a country have a once in a lifetime opportunity to take this great country, that I served honorably, to a place we could only dream of. Please give this man a chance. If history teaches us anything, Hill or McCain will be more of the same.

I appreciate all of the intelligent opinions here but not the thoughtless words of hate and intolerance.

Obama/Webb 08'
Perhaps it's time for a white woman to be president. Perhaps it's time for a black man to be president. What is becoming clear is that the party will decide who will run against McCain and not the voters. Just as it's clear the current president and vice presidents don't care what two thirds of the voters think. Perhaps it's time for the voters to not care again.
do you know why the party is going to decide who is going to run?  because Obama doesnt want to let FL and MI to vote again.  with FL and MI, this whole process will be let the runner to be elected by the people, no the party.  that is why Obama doenst want to re-do it. Shame on him

Hillary can't win the nomination except by STEALING it. --- Hillary's negatives are and always have been too high.  Hillary's negatives were too high when she wanted to replace Bill as governor in Arkansas.  Hillary is --- devisive & deceitful.

The desperation, the tightening of the polls, the anger in tone of the blogs, Obama's speech, etc. We are moments away from having a chance to make a choice that certainly is unlike any for generations. It is frightening and it evokes the above mentioned sampling of behaviors when we are struggling with the question of what is the right thing to do. Can I dislike my brother's actions but extend my hand in peace and dialog? Can my example be a force unto itself? Can we gather the positives from all of us and realize a better, safer, greener world? A lot to think about Dems '08.
"There is no question about it, Obama is afraid to re-do Florida and MIchigan becasue he knows he cannot win in big states and he knows that his first place is only becasue the stated with strong AA presence. "
Jay chicago il (Sent Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:22 AM)

Really?  Would those be the states like Washington, Idaho, Colorado, North Dakota, Wyoming, Utah, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vermont, Kansas, Alaska, Hawaii, and Maine?  Oh you're right, that's only 14 "white" states, what was I thinking.  That's far less than the number of states Clinton has won.... oh, wait...
I've become convinced that it isn't a bad thing for the Dems to continue the primary campaign late into the season.  Right wing attacks have to split between Clinton & Obama.  It makes it hard for them to develope a strong negative narrative about the eventual nominee because they can't be certain who that will be.  Kerry had the nomination sewn up earlier than is typical on the Democratic side and look how that turned out.
With the release of her papers, it turns out Hillary
won Ohio by lying about her NAFTA support during her
husband's administration.

It also turns out all her "experience" is also just one more Clinton lie.  She's just an empty pantsuit.

But this is not news.  She learned how to lie from The
Master:  William Jefferson "I did not have sex with
that woman" Clinton.

John McCain is going to beat her like a rented mule!
WEll said Chris of Dorr;  I'm a white 45 yr old female, small business owner, and I like to think I'm aware of where we are in our country's relationship with the world, and with our country's relationship with history.  This is it ladies and gentlemen.  I truly believe the opportunity is here to really get this righted.  Look beyond the body politic, the pundrity, the hateful blogs, and LISTEN.  SOme may feel that you need a "fighter" or an "experienced vet";  fine.  But I feel we need to shed the layers of inaction, to get rid of the business as usual, to start off on the good foot for once.  Lets be part of the change, not just a ballot's worth of say so.  With Obama, we can claim ownership in our nation's destiny.  OBAMA 08
Really?  Would those be the states like Washington, Idaho, Colorado, North Dakota, Wyoming, Utah, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vermont, Kansas, Alaska, Hawaii, and Maine?  Oh you're right, that's only 14 "white" states, what was I thinking.  That's far less than the number of states Clinton has won.... oh, wait...


yeahhh, the fact is that none  of them have enough delegates yet, so, teh right thing to do is to re-do it so, it can be decide by the people, no the party, and yes, he is afriad of doing it again, becasue it is clear that Hillary will win.  you dont have to think a lot about it... it is clear.  beside, he only won small states, where the most AA community  is present.
**WITHOUT LARGE STATES IN THE NOV. ELECTION...IT IS ALL BUT OVER FOR THE DEMS***

I truly do believe the voters in the remaining states are going to come out in very large numbers and crack this election wide open.

Unfortunately, with Sen. Obama's consistency of the inconsistencies (NAFTA, REV. Wright, Tony Resko) are having a profound effect on his electability, especially when he has staked his campaign on "Change" we can believe in.

Unfortunately, trust is gone with Sen. Obama and once you lose this, it is not easily given back.
Some are now speculating that come Nov. he is unelectable (which I tend to agree with).

The voters will decide who wins the popular vote hence forth in this election --and I do not think it is a favorable outcome for Sen. Obama.

The superdeligates need to understand the needs of the American people and if they choose Sen. Obama --They will be handing the White House to McCain as the large states need to be carried by the Dem's in Nov.

Without the large states --it is all but over for us Dems and many will not cast votes for a person who has consistently been inconsistent with being open and honest in his associations.



If the messiah wanna be gets the nomination through the disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida.....then HE , A LOSER THAT HE IS WILL INDEED LOSE THE GENERAL ELECTION.......CALL ME EVIL ....AT LEAST I SPEAK THE TRUTH AND DONT SUGAR COAT REALITY..........OBAMA'S SHAKEN UP BECAUSE HE WAS CAUGHT!!!!!!OBAMA WILL NEVER BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...AND HILLARY'S SUPPORTERS WILL NOT STAND BY HIM WHEN HE FALL....AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE SO CALLED POLITICAL EXPERTS FACES SUCH AS CHUCK THE DUCK, JOE, KEITH, CHIS AND TIM WHEN MCCAIN WINS!!!! ALL YOUR WORK FOR NOTHING....

PS....OBAMA 'S CHARACTER  WILL BE FOREVER IDENTIFIED AS A PERSON WHO LACKS CREDIBILITY AND JUDGMENT........
Folks, don't blame Obama because MI and FL were unable to comply with the rules ALL candidates (and the party, whose problem it is) agreed otherwise.  The deceit is Clinton's disavowal of the states' processes only to claim a 'victory' after what was essentially a name-recognition affair.  Where was her solution BEFORE the results were known?  May I submit my NCAA pool picks a few weeks from now?
The popular vote in Florida will stand then. 1.7 million Democrats voted, and to say that they don't count for anything is disenfranchisement and smacks of the dark history of this country in disenfranchising people.

Michigan I totally understand since Obama wasn't on the ballot. But if the DNC and the campaigns are smart they'll acknowledge that Florida Democrats did take time to vote, and their vote did count. Let's not forget it was the REPUBLICAN legislature in Florida which pushed through the change of dates, not the Democrats. Why should they be punished for something that was out of their control? Shame on you, DNC, and the Obama campaign, for trying to sweep this under the rug. It'll come back to you in the fall. Good luck campaigning in Florida in September if you ignore them now.

By the way, First Read, what's up with sending headlines that don't appear at all in First Read? This morning was "This week's polls bottom for Obama?" yet this appears nowhere in First Read this morning. Why?
The question is not whether Obama is afraid of a re-do or anything, the question is does Hillary really care about the voting rights? I would like to see atleast one journalist asking her "If Obama had won in the Michigan or Florida or both, will she be making the same fuss about a re-do"?
I bet everey one here knows she doesn't want their voices heard, she just wants the delegates to get a nomination. As for the re-do is considered, I say 'play by the rules' which everyone agreed upon to begin with.
The latest Rasmussen poll had MI EVEN at 41%/41%. So please quit with all the "Obama must be scared" accusations. Re-doing MI would cost millions of dollars, tons of man-hours, delay the nomination process, and WONT CHANGE THE RACE. Do we really want to do all that, as well as introducing inevitable law suits that will follow, when it's going to end up being an even split in delegates??? Re-doing MI wont shift the delegate count by more than +/- 5, nor will it change the popular vote by more than 50,000. And those numbers aren't enough to make a difference for Hillary. So What's. The. Point????
If there is a problem with the Florida vote, it's the fault of Florida Democratic voters and their failure to let their congressmen know it was not acceptable to move up the primary.

From the Christian Science Monitor, October 16, 2007:

"The legislature, with the governor's support, did vote this spring to move the primaries – Democratic and Republican – to Jan. 29. But after Democratic amendments to set a Feb. 5 primary failed, nearly every Democratic lawmaker joined the Republican majority in favor of the Jan. 29 date.

Several Democrats invoked the same reason as Republicans: to give the nation's fourth most populous state a bigger role in the nominating process.
'Moving the primary up earlier puts Florida center stage,' Anthony DeLuise, a spokesman for the governor, said in a phone interview."

It's interesting to note that Governor Crist and much of the congress is now crying that the voice of the voters should be heard. And where was the voice of the voters when this was first happening?

If there is a problem with the Florida vote, it's the fault of Florida Democratic voters and their failure to let their congressmen know it was not acceptable to move up the primary.


Nope. It's the fault of the DNC. What right does the national party have to tell a state when it can or cannot conduct a primary?
" ...including but not limited to:"
with or sans Superdelegates?
After all is said and done and not withstanding anything tragic, Obama should be the Dems pick to be the next President.  McCain really scares me on so many levels - Economy (He doesn't know anything about it), War (I truly believe he will continue to keep America in the Iraq conflict and instigate another),  Healthcare (He doesn't even want to discuss it), Immigration (This is a complete toss-up with these guys).  He will be the continuation of Bush/Cheney and Crew and that makes me sick to my stomach.  

It's time to unite around the Dems.  HRC needs to gracefully and politely bow out and support Obama since he is the clear leader at this  point.  This would help to ensure unification for the party and help her save face, instead of ripping apart the Democratic Party.  Besides, she can run again in eight years.  The Dems need all the time we can get to organize against the true Monster... McCain and McBush.

Obama O-Eight
FIRST READ:  Isn't it worth noting that after having a TERRIBLE two or three weeks (starting with Ohio/TX), Obama is still ahead in most polls, still does equal to or better than HIllary against McCain, and has maintained his composure.  Compair that to Clinton when she was getting negative press....she melted down.  The current polling is the best Hillary can do -- even, or behind by a bit.
Since they are undeniably smart people who must realize they can’t win the Democratic nomination this year it’s becoming clear what Hillary and Bill Clintons strategy is.  They intend to bash Obama to the point where he will be unelectable in the general thus giving the election and the White House to their friend, John McCain.  McCain has already stated that he most likely won’t run for re-election in 2012 because of his age setting the stage for a 2nd Hillary run.  She will enter the Democratic primary that year saying “see, I told you so, I tried to warn you that Obama was unelectable.”



The Clintons understand that the typical voter has a poor memory so they are banking on the hope that everyone in the party will have forgotten her campaigns antics this year and the unfortunate consequence for Obama in the general election.  



It’s a sad day when a person, or in this case a couple, is so driven by cynicism and a thirst for power that they are willing to sacrifice the good of the Country for their own ambitions and glory.  If McCain is elected and we face another four years of Bush style leadership from the White House, both in foreign relations and the economy, the results will be disastrous.  The Clintons undoubtedly understand this and see it as an opportunity for Hillary to ride to the Country’s rescue on a white horse in 2012.



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