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McCain in London

Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:03 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum
Continuing their trip through the Middle East and Europe, Sens. McCain, Lieberman, and Graham stopped in London today. At a press conference following a meeting with Prime Minister Gordon Brown, McCain said they discussed climate change, the world's economy, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
 
McCain continued to view his foreign policy gaffe in Jordan as simple "misspeak." Asked about Obama's comments yesterday that maybe this is why McCain voted to go to war with a country with no ties to Al Qaeda, McCain dismissed the notion.
 
"Well, we all misspeak from time to time, and I immediately corrected it," McCain told an international press corps outside No. 10 Downing Street. "Just as Sen. Obama said he was looking forward to meeting the President of Canada, we all misspeak from time to time."
 
"It's very clear that I have a lot of experience in Iraq and the situation," McCain continued. "It was my eighth visit there. We just move on."
 
When BBC News asked McCain to speak about critical comments made about him as being the same as Bush on foreign policy, the Arizona senator politely declined to answer. "I won't discuss this other issue because that's not the purpose of our visit. I am here as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee and looking and discussing those issues concerning our nation's defense and security, with all due respect."
 
Lieberman, who we noted earlier has turned into McCain's overseas MVP, later interrupted to give his two cents on the issue. "I would just, may I say very briefly as a colleague and long time co-worker and friend, Senator McCain is a consistent and steadfast internationalist on matters both diplomatic and economic, and environmental."
 
"He is also, as we say in the US, a straight talker," Lieberman continued. "He has never hesitated to disagree with his friends and allies and certainly with those who don't support him when he thinks they are not serving the national interest. And his early advocacy for American leadership on the problem of global warming is probably the best recent examples of that. So he, he does it his way."

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McCain sings again!

Bomb... Bomb... Boooomb... Bomb... Bomb... IRAN!

Bomb... Bomb... Boooomb... Bomb... Bomb... IRAN!

This dude scares me.

Just another tax payer funded political trip

THANK YOU RALPH NADER !!
If you played ANY role in preventing:
   
     Vice President Lieberman


Al Gore DESERVED to LOSE because of Joe !!

Hillary DESERVES to LOSE because of HILLARY !!


Hillary Clinton, 35 years of lies, scandals, dishonesty, corruption, unethical behavior, coer ups and divisiveness
Anyone else thinking Lieberman for VP?

I mean, can McCain- the actual nominee- speak for himself?  Will this be another episode of Bush out in front with Cheney behind the stage pulling his strings?

We've all seen how the puppet/puppet master show has played out- can we please avoid a Bush/Cheney 3peat?  For the sake of America- can we please avoid that?

Obama '08
McBomb [["Well, we all misspeak from time to time, and I immediately corrected it," McCain told an international press corps outside No. 10 Downing Street. ]]

He's either a liar or an imbecile, or most likely, both. THREE TIMES in TWO DAYS he repeated the same idiotic claim that Shiite  Iran was training Sunni al Qaeda:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/mccain-repeats-iranal-qa_n_92349.html

That was no  accidental "misstatement."  And McCain is also lying about immediately correcting himself. Joe Lieberman  had to correct him. Joe tried to stop McCain from making a complete fool of himself, but unfortunately, Joe was too late.
Does he know he is London? Is LIEberman there to help explain Piccadilly Circus to the poor man.
Does he know it is the QUEEN who rules GREAT BRITIAN.
Will McCain have some strings attached so that Joe can move his mouth while Joe speaks?
Hillary you have to step down NOW! You are killing the Dem party and allowing McCain to round around the world with press coverage while you selfishly keeping Obama tied up in this no-win nomination for you. Stop and think and get out. Gain back just a small bit of integrity by announcing your withdrawal from this race and announcing your support of Obama.
Look, I used to respect McCain.  However, when he came back from one of these taxpayer-funded jaunts 2 years ago and said that Iraq was in great shape and that he was able to walk safely through the marketplace in Baghdad ("with no problems") even though HE KNEW that the marketplace had been swept & contained by US Commandos 2 days before and that Blackhawk helicopters were circling overhead, I realized he no longer believed in Straight Talk.  No I realize he has no clue what's going on in Iraq.  Lying about the conditions is one thing.  Being completely out of touch is even more frightening.
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I have always assumed that McCain would pick Charlie Crist as VP, but with this recent trip, I wonder if he would consider running with Lieberman? Lieberman may in fact be an integral part of a McCain admin
At least John McCain tells you the way it is....

Hillary Clinton has to come up with five answers....

Obama speaks well, but sometimes he gets a little tongue tied.....
Is that going to be his running mate? He seems to be poised and ready for McCain's slip ups with a can o' gaffe-B-gone!
He looks very tired and perhaps he is too old to be a President.  You know OLD TIMERS DESEASE.....when you start forgetting who's who...
Yeah - immediately corrected it with a little help from his friends.  Senile old coot!
Joe Lieberman is SUCH a disappointment.
Well, now we know why Al Gore lost, he chose Joe Lieberman as his runnning mate.

As to McCain, can't wait for the general election, he will get the racist and war hawk vote, but not much else. He's easy to caricature and Obama is not as easy to swift boat as Kerry.
Another "excuse" from John McSame???

Maybe we should start to call him McLame!!!
"Just as Sen. Obama said he was looking forward to meeting the President of Canada, we all misspeak from time to time."

Oh, ho ho ha, St. McCain. You so funny!

Only thing is, Obama didn't make that gaffe FOUR times. FOUR times making the same gaffe is not a "misspeak", it's a deliberate attempt to mislead.

McSame as before.
We need a President who is willing to speak his mind AND takes responsibility for slipups. Note the decision to go to war is not a "slipup" if he still agrees with it. (Most of you understand that, but too many crazy posters on first read like to analyze every letter of posts they don't like.)

If that means one whose policies on defense disagree with the public's, why don't we do what the founders of this nation TOLD us to do and elect a Congress that will help keep the President in check. A lot of you posters on this blog pay too much attention to Bush's wanting to keep us in Iraq and not enough to the Congress that has full power to change what it doesn't like.

Personally, I don't want to leave Iraq for fear or the regional fallout. BUT if the majority democrat Congress really wanted us out, it wouldn't have kept funneling more and more dollars in. Stopping payment doesn't show lack of support for troops, just a lack of support for ideals. The troops would come home in an instant without the money to sustain them. They wouldn't be affected individually at all. I'm OPPOSED to immediate withdrawal and even I can see that.

So I'd like to see some more "fair and balanced" posting from FirstRead posters as far as that is concerned.

McCain has the experience and bluntness we need at the head of the armed forces. A strong Congress will keep him out of Iran and from staying too long in Iraq, so I'm clueless as to why people instantly toss him out the window for his opinions on war and our adversaries. It's better to have someone who can DEAL with war and always be vigilant, and never need him to be, than it is to elect someone who won't know what to do if a conventional war breaks out and we get caught with our pants down. I think Iraq has clouded everyone's thinking so much that people forget that conventional wars can start anywhere in the world at any time. And if Obama is our leader when one breaks out, will we be prepared? With slashed defense budgets and few bases abroad? Will we be ready to defend our allies or ourselves? These are the things we have to think about. The Rest of the World. The most devastating attacks we have ever suffered have been surprise, out of left field. And the next will be no different.

So elect a President who can deal with war, and elect a Congree that can keep that President under control. (out of Iran, for example) --- The key to a successful government is balance between executive and legislative, so please, give the only veteran candidate a chance, and keep hopers/dreamers like Obama in Congress to heal our domestic concerns.


ALSO - thanks first read for posting McCain's response and showing both sides of the slip-of-the-tongue issue. Responsible reporting considering all of the flack you all get from the anti-Obama crowd.
McCain has learned the Cheney/Bush lessons of repeating untruths over and over until the public believes they are true i.e.,  Iran is arming Al Qaeda just like Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda, just like Iraq has WMD, etc.  The Republicans know that the truth doesn't win you elections, but lies, exaggerationa and conflation do.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Yawn. Oh.. I'm sorry. Just listening to the rubbish from Mccain makes me sleepy.
I think he needs a nap too. Perhaps a foriegn policy class or three. His continued "missteps" betray his real intelligence.. or lack thereof.
Considering that John McCain made this "misstatement" on multiple, separate, occasions, it's clear that this guy just doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Iran's influence in the region and the differences between Sunni and Shia.
False analogy, Senator McCain.  The difference between the Shiites and the Sunnis, and which insurgents the Iranians are training, is something you actually might need to know when you take a phone call at 3 a.m.  I doubt you'll need to know whether the "president" of Canada is actually called the "prime minister."  
Dr.Strangedog :: "Is that going to be his running mate? He seems to be poised and ready for McCain's slip ups with a can o' gaffe-B-gone!"

Classic.  Well played.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
Taxpayer money is providing McCain with a world political tour. Pretty nice of us, don't you think?
John McCain might have been president if it weren't for W's folks using racism to win. Let's not let racism by Hillary win this one for the republicans! Vote Obama!
James, grow up. That's why we have a Congress that can prevent rushing to war. Your ignorance, reflected in many Americans, is far scarier and more detrimental to America's future than McCain will ever be.
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
I hope the old boy wasn't too confused by all the fog.
Jill, they only look like Llies and conflation" to you because "acting like war mongers" has been so effective as to keep you 100% safe. You don't even believe in the evil of this world BECAUSE you're so protected from it. You're naive, and I pity you.

Did McCain misspeak? Yes. But I don't understand how you can be so paranoid as to think it's part of some grand scheme to deceive you. What is there to gain from that? Certainly not power, because walking all over business world is a far easier way to make a fortune. I don't know why you and your constituents are so paranoid about Republicans.

You want to talk about lies and exaggeration? How about Obama's comment earlier on $100 per family per month on Iraq? Did he just slip-of-the-tongue when he left out that that's an average, because the rich evil republicans are spending far more tax dollars on this war than the middle class and poor. And how about, as I LOVE to bring up, Obama's Selma, AL speech, on how the courageous marches in Selma in 1965, which he DIRECTLY cited, it wasn't a reference to the spirit of reform, were why his mother and father could be together and have him ... even though he was born 4 years before Selma. But he got thunderous applause and cheers for that speech, too. But you MUST be right, the Republicans are the only divisive ones...
lol  Tax payer fund trips!  Let me guess all the ones done by the "Redeploy" crowd must not have fallen in that category - right?  Once again the Liberal BS comes forth (from mostly Obamaites I'm sure).  Just like count every vote, unless it's in a state where my candidate will lose. lol  You guys are so predictable.
Over the past few days, I have watched while the pundits on Fox News painted Barack Obama as a black racist, anti-Semite, 'democrat' candidate who lacked judgment because he went to a 'black' church on Sundays (at least that sort of killed the Muslim rumors). This was based on 30 second sound bytes out of over thousands of hours of sermons.

Every day, I look forward to an email that I receive from a church that I have never attended. The newsletter is called Mountain Wings and the daily message is short, usually pithy, sometimes funny and often full of examples of faith and hope. ONCE, the message was unreadable, it was the verbal equivalent of a very long Revival Meeting, and I guess that the hallelujahs just lose something when they are written, not spoken.

http://www.mountainwings.com/past/today.htm
http://www.cryofthespirit.com/

Based on the logic of some of our more "right of center" pundits, I should have discontinued receiving the email because I didn't like one issue. Had I done that, I would have missed out on over five years of worthwhile reading, sort of like cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Based on that same logic, they might assume that I must be an African American because I receive an newsletter from an AA minister, they would be wrong.

Based on that same logic, Barack Obama should have left a church, one that does good work and has looked after it's community in a very Christian manner over the last 30 years, based on a couple of 'anti-American' phrases uttered out of what was probably more frustration than out right hate. Wouldn't Senator Obama have missed out on the good as well as the bad? Shouldn't he be aware of the 'bad' so that as an elected official he can work to fix it? Listening to comments from a constituent doesn't make you the constituent, it makes you aware of what is happening in the community. After eight years of an administration being oblivious to the world outside their bubble, I would consider 'awareness' to be a quality that every elected official should have.

Which brings me to the Honorable John McCain, Republican candidate for President, veteran of the Vietnam War, former POW, a man perceived to have sound judgment. And yet...

John McCain has actively sought the endorsement of some of the more egregiously racist ministers in our country. He has recognized that these white racist, anti-Semite, gay and Catholic bashing ministers have large followings, and that those followings largely vote Republican -- does that make everyone in their ministries evil? does that make John McCain evil? Based on the logic of some of our more "right of center" pundits, one must assume that white racists are a very important part of the Republican base. It "appears" as if 'the right wing' are only uncomfortable when it's black racism, but white racism is okay.

My point is that assumptions can be dangerous -- whether it's the right or the left making them. If you wish to argue that Senator John McCain is NOT a "white racist, anti-semite, gay and Catholic bashing" bigot, in spite of the company that he keeps, if you can maintain that this does NOT show a lack of judgment on John McCain's part that would prevent him from being a good President, then you have to extend the same courtesy to Senator Barack Obama or admit that a double standard exists and that you are guilty of it.
McCain, you only made policy gaffes 3 times? You are such an amateur. I pushed the wrong voting button 6 times and voted NO instead of YES. --Obama.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamavotes24jan24,0,713086.story
John McCain might have been president if it weren't for W's folks using racism to win. Let's not let racism by Hillary win this one for the republicans! Vote Obama!
LB, VA (Sent Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:03 PM)


Once again Team Obama (the real racists) continue to play the race card blaming everyone but themselves for the problem they are in.  You can't keep calling everyone else a racists for pointing out Pastor Wrights racists/hate speach.  Nor can you blame everyone else for Obama's poor judgement for putting up with it.
Did McCain see Rev. Wright while in London? We're looking for him here back in the states, but he's no where to be found.
This dem will vote for McFuddled over Obama McSissy any day. Little Hillary has bigger balls than both of them put together.
Hmm. The more digging one does,the more we find that McCain was correct. McCain[oddly unreported by FR/MSNBC],has revisited his earlier comments and found not complete fault with them.
           The idea that Sunnis and Shia do not cooperate is a matter of historical revisionism invented by the liberal-leftwinged media after the Iraq invasion in 2003. TIME Magazine,NEWSWEEKS Chris Dickey,E.J Dionne,Richard Reeves,the late Molly Ivins,Seymour [Sy]Hersh,and a host of other scribblers from the left of center regions,who are most assuredly not Arab experts,soldiers or even natives themselves ,contributed their part in pursuing this fiction.
                 Desperate times[to Middle Eastern Moslems at least],call for expedient measures. Both post WWI BALFOUR and SYKES/PICOT mandates and treaties saw Shias and Sunnis rallying together to fight both the French in Syria and the British in Iraq. Nazi Germany took advantage of both sects in exploring the region as an area to develop allies in order to kick the British out of the oil-rich region.[Meeting with both Shia and Sunni leaders,then-Major [SS],Adolf Eichmann in 1937,actually toured the Middle East to drum up such support]. The 1982-1984 Lebanese War,insofar as the Israeli invasion of the Lebanese South  in order to create a buffer zone from increasing PLO attacks was concerned,saw the Sunni-majority PLO and the newer[1970s] Islamic Jihad[sprung from Egypt],making common cause with Irans HEZBOLLAH. An arrangement that continues to this day. Every single last intelligence indicator on an global scale that studies the Israeli-Palestinian conflict cites HEZBOLLAH/HAMAS cooperation,with both groups signing an accord of alliance in April 2005. It would be Asst. US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in 1999 that would glean the evidence presented to President Clinton that showed an alliance between HEZBOLLAH leader Mughniyah and al Qaedas Osama bin Laden which culminated in the KHOBAR TOWERS bombing in June of 1998. Of the man[Ali Mohamed] who was involved in this operation then in America,Fitzgerald would call him ''the most dangerous man I have ever met''.
                Pass to the 9/11 period and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,and one thing immediately presents itself in stark clarity. Iran has sheltered members of al Qaeda and other Sunni extremist organizations,as well as arming these groups in both wars.Beginning with the 9/11 Commission itself,it found such linkage in Pages 240 and 241 of its final report in acknowlaging ''evidence that Iran allowed the transit of 14 of the so-called ''muscle''hijackers'',all of them,Sunnis,as well as allowing the shelter of Sunni terrorist leader al-Zarqawi.          
               US Army Maj.Gen.Caldwell sat before a congressional committee in April of last year providing captured documents in a Shia-Sadr-controlled section of Baghdad seized by US soldiers that displayed a concrete relationship in arms and training between Iranian Revolutionary Guard members and Sunni insurgent groups that include al Qaeda. At the same time,captured Iranian arms began turning up in Afghanistans Helmar Province among Taliban terrorist insurgents who are Sunni. Not Shia. And in Sunni sections of Baghdad. In an odd admission,the Iranian Foreign Ministry complained to the New York Times[Feb.18,2007] that ''Sunni insurgents'' originating ''in Iran''has crossed over Afghanistan into Pakistan to create mayhem there.
           This was followed by an interview in AL-ARABIYA on Jan 18,2008,by the commander of the Islamic Army of Iraq,Abu Azzam al-Tammini who frankly stated:

     ''Iran interferes with every aspect of Iraq. It works with everybody. The government. Government opponants,al Qaeda,with al Qaedas enemies. Iran spreads its investments to Sunnis,Shias and Kurds''.

            The evidence is not only overwhelming,but it originates from the two groups most well situated to understand such a relationship. Soldiers,and Islamics themselves. Indeed,The New York Times Baghdad Bureau Chief John Burns,who has more Iraq experiance than a hundred Ivins,Dickeys and Dionnes put together,continues to lament over the amazing stupidity and ignorance of his adopted nations own news services when it comes to not only Iraq,but the psychological impulses of the Moslem that cause them to act in ways unexpected to how they are viewed by ordinary Americans and reporters. [i.e.''They cannot act this way because they are Shia and Sunni'']. Of course,any belying of such an attitude would cause their carefully crafted house of cards to fall. It would not only infer but demand,that ''secular''Baathists may have had something to do with Sunni extremists after all.[which they did anyway. See: The ''Harmony''Documents of the Saddam Era at www.dod.gov for more on that]. It would demand that Iran was and has never been an honest broker, deserving of regime downfall. And worse of all,it would infer that the administration was right all along regarding the infuriating nation of Iran.
Just curious. Do any of you Connecticut Democrats feel like horse's asses for having voted in Joe Lieberman when you had a perfectly good Democratic nominee alternative?
Shame on MSNBC, CNN, and FOX. McWar claimed that he walked arournd Iraq without body armor. He lied. If you watch the footage of him on his recent tour,you can easy tell he had on a body armor chest vest under his blue shirt. Shame on McWar for lying to the American public. Shame on MSNBC,CNN, and FOX for not questioning this lying Republican.
Liberman corrected it.   What are you going to do with out those voices telling you what to say.....
Whose paying for these trips along with his followers this has nothing to do with Security it looks like he want to try playing commander in chief at the taxpayers cost....How much.....
Well, we've all seen this week, we cannot let McBush talk to any world leaders unless Joe Lieberman is by his side, to whisper in his ear...

LMAO...  And yea, Hill, where are your brackets?  Or are they too 'clasified' to release?  
Tell me again why it is that my tax dollars are paying for these 3 tools to take a trip around the world for there photo ops?
This story should be on MSNBC front page, or politics page......... MUCH more important than polls, just as race was...
Barack Obama blamed the Iraq war for higher oil prices and skyrocketing debt Thursday as he sought to tie the unpopular war to the slumping economy in working-class West Virginia.

The Democratic hopeful is trying to cut into Hillary Clinton's base in West Virginia. The state's demographics appear to favor Clinton, whose support is strongest among older white voters and blue-collar workers.

"When you're spending over $50 to fill up your car because the price of oil is four times what it was before Iraq, you're paying a price for this war," Obama said. "When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war."

By linking the economy to the war, Obama is playing to his perceived strength as someone who spoke out against the war as a state lawmaker in Illinois. He has criticized Clinton for only recently opposing the war and said Thursday that her criticism of Republican John McCain's war policies lacks teeth.

"Her point would have been more compelling had she not joined Senator McCain in making the tragically ill-considered decision to vote for the Iraq war in the first place," Obama said to cheers.

It was the third consecutive day that Obama set aside his usual stump speech and delivered a more focused issue speech. He discussed race relations on Tuesday and the foreign policy consequences of the Iraq war Wednesday.

Obama has won more states than Clinton, leads in the popular vote and holds a nearly insurmountable lead in pledged delegates. But neither candidate can clinch the nomination without help from superdelegates, the party leaders who are not bound by any primary or caucus and are free to vote for whomever they choose. Clinton hopes a strong finish in the remaining primaries will persuade superdelegates to back her in a close race despite the delegate shortfall.

West Virginia holds its primary May 13. The economy is a key issue in West Virginia and Obama aides concede that Clinton is expected to perform well here.

"For what folks in this state have been spending on the Iraq war, we could be giving health care to nearly 450,000 of your neighbors, hiring nearly 30,000 new elementary school teachers, and making college more affordable for over 300,000 students," Obama said.

Obama was introduced at the University of Charleston by West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, who played up Obama's blue-collar credentials and his familiarity with his home state's coal industry.

"He's a man who's worked for everything he's achieved. That's something I can't say," Rockefeller joked. He said Obama can see the world "through the eyes of those who are in the trenches everyday struggling to make ends meet and who are fighting to keep their families together."

I should think that if Leiberman were on the McCain ticket they would have absolutely no chance of winning. many Republicans already don't like McCain becuase he isn't conservative enough, ahaving a non-Republican on the ticket would mean they all sit home for the election instead of voting.
Just curious. Do any of you Connecticut Democrats feel like horse's asses for having voted in Joe Lieberman when you had a perfectly good Democratic nominee alternative?

nuanced


There are a lot of Democrats that feel like "horse's asses" for a lot of different reasons. Many of the Obama supporters recently joined the club.
McCain wants to bomb bomb Iran but it is unclear if he knows where it is. It is one of those countries close to Iraq right George? uh lieberman? Give me help here guys.
Hidden inside MSNBC news articles is the following:
McCain aide suspended for relaying video - staffer sent video linking Obama to comments of Chicago pastor.  Of course, McCain did not know anything about this - he is too busy "misspeaking" in the middle east.
You know, it's bad enough that the three senators who are running for president are not in the senate doing the jobs they were elected for, but is it necessary for Sens.Lieberman and Graham to be absent too? Does Sen. McCain need a minder...actually I guess he does, but doesn't this fact negate the validity of his running in the first place?
 It's to bad he doesn't know the People he is talking about... He reminds me a lot like Bush Jr... Thinks he knows everything & knows nothing...   I was in the Army for 6 years... That doesn't make me ready for President!!!  At least Hillary was involved will Bill Clinton was in office..
All things being equal, we all make mistakes and if we were judged on the basis of what we said, particularly in our youth, we might all be in jail or all be shot.
I don't understand why people would think that Iran would not back al Qaeda.  They'll back anyone that will help them against Israel, the US, and the West in general.

WWII was the same way Germany, and Japan believed that each had the right to world domination based on racial superiority.  In the end they would have turned on each other, as Germany turned on the Soviet Union.  The same would happen between Shiite and Sunni extremists if they were to some how reach their goal of deposing other religions.


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