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Obama: 'Most liberal?'

Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:27 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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The NYT looks at the National Journal rating of Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate and the fallout it could cause. "In many ways, the Obama campaign is challenging the fundamental political premise that has prevailed in Washington for more than a generation: that any majority coalition must be carefully centrist, if not center-right. Bill Clinton ran in 1992 as a candidate willing to break with liberal orthodoxy on many issues, including crime and welfare, and eager to move the party -- which had lost five of the six previous presidential elections -- to the middle. Mr. Clinton’s New Democrats assumed a certain level of conservatism among voters.

Mr. Obama and his allies are basing his campaign on a different bet: that the right-leaning political landscape Mr. Clinton confronted has changed. Several major Democratic strategists, and outside analysts as well, argue that the country has shifted to the left because of the Iraq war, the economy and seven-plus years of President Bush, and that it has become open to a new progressive majority."
 
McClatchy does a fact-check of sorts on Obama's senate record vs. his presidential rhetoric. "Obama says if he were president, he'd take politically courageous stands while forging the consensus needed to enact universal healthcare, immigration revisions, global warming legislation and a withdrawal from Iraq. His three-year record in the Senate, however, offers little evidence that he can do what he's promising. His party was in the minority for his first two years, and in the third he began campaigning for president and missed lots of time on Capitol Hill. He was absent from or only partly involved in some key bipartisan efforts to head off stalemates on judicial nominations, immigration and Iraq war policy."
 
In an interview with Carroll County, Iowa, columnist Doug Burns of the Iowa Independent, ex-Iowa Dem Chair/Obama Iowa co-chair Gordon Fischer says his hit on Pres. Clinton on the blue dress comment was wrong. "It was stupid, idiotic," Fischer said. "I deserve all the venom."
 
“In a phone interview, Fischer explained that anger with what he believed to be President Clinton's challenge to Obama's patriotism motivated the post on his blog and a challenging if not hostile comment on Facebook. The swirl of media attention has so far centered on the post on Fisher's personal blog in which he references Monica Lewinsky's infamous blue dress.
 
More Fischer: “He has removed the controversial post from his personal blog, iowatrueblue.com, but the Facebook comment is alive and readable. When asked if the "you are now on notice" line was a warning shot before the blog post or a threat of some other action, Fischer, a Des Moines employment lawyer who chaired the IDP from 2002 to 2004, said it was meant in a more general sense for both Obama and Clinton supporters whom he believes are engaging in damaging internacine warfare. ‘The feeling I had was that some folks in both camps need to rein in the excesses,’ Fischer said. ‘I myself need to be reined in.’”

“The Obama campaign has sought to downplay Fischer's role with the Illinois senator, which nearly three months after the Iowa caucuses isn't that high-level now. But in the weeks before the Iowa caucuses the Obama campaign played up the Fischer endorsement, suggesting that it carried significant weight in what was then a three-candidate toss up between Obama, Hillary Clinton and former U.S. Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C. Tonight, Fischer said he was never a co-chairman for Obama in Iowa, but rather a ‘volunteer’ -- and now a very ‘humble’ one.” 
 
Obama plans to be on “The View” Friday. “Gabbing with Barbara Walters, Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar, Elizabeth Hasselbeck and Sherri Shepherd is one way for Obama to make inroads with female voters,” the AP writes. “His rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, has held the edge with women, capturing 51 percent of the female vote to 45 percent for Obama, according to exit polls for The Associated Press of the competitive Democratic primaries.”

The AP went to the Virgin Islands to check in on Obama’s family vacation. A little paparazzi-like… “Obama was keeping such a low profile that his presidential campaign would not say where he is staying. Local officials also were mum. An official at Government House in the capital, Charlotte Amalie, would only confirm that Obama was in St. Thomas, the most populated of the islands. Tourists said they saw him relaxing on the beach Sunday at a resort hotel there.”

A little politics… “Last month, the territory gave him three delegates in the race for the Democratic nomination. Rival Hillary Rodham Clinton did not win a delegate at the caucuses. Six superdelegates will go to the August national convention; four back Clinton and two favor Obama.”

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What this country needs is a reinvigoration of the middle(the majority of the people) of this country and Obama will not do that. He is the far left fringe and the base of this party will not vote for someone so liberal that they can not agree with them.
****Question for Sen. Obama*****

If, as you stated, “This Rev. Wright controversy has shaken me up a bit” in your interview with Anderson Cooper’s 360….

What in gods name are you going to do when Iran starts to rattle the sabers?  
OR worse yet, sharpen the sabers?  What are you going to do when the voters of American hear about your William Ayers association, indicating that there is a definitive pattern of extreme left associations that you choose to make?

Get a Grip!  This is the highest office in the world!  And you are ‘shuck up’ over a few words YOUR pastor and advisor willingly made? That was Sir, highly offensive to many (myself included)!

And you want us to vote for you because you want to Lead?
Unreal – and this is the “UNIFIER”
The US is a center-right country. It's been that way for decades. Just know, the media is looking into Obama's history. Better late then never I guess. What it's finding is that he is one of the most liberal senators from a very liberal state. His voting record shows that he, unlike McCain, has never reached across the aisle to work with the opposite side. It also shows that he has never led anything in his life. The Democrats are foolish for nominating Obama, he is really unelectable.
I think New Mexico Gov. Richarsdon's new name is JUDAS. But it can be a good thing to change your name. Miley Cyrus is now officially Miley Ray Cyrus
and, of course, Bob Dylan's real name is Robert  Zimmerman.

If Obama wants to really prove his love for his country he should change his middle name from Hussein
to Wayne in honor of The Duke, whose real first name was Marion.
Socailly Liberal. Fiscaly conservative. That distintion is what draws the center to Obama.  

gotta go....USF..."under sniper fire"...my boss is coming
I can take the liberal politics.  I have a BIG problem with someome who sits in a pew and listens to the anti-American, anti-whitey venom spewed by Rev. Wright for hundreds of sermons.  His denial at first that he had not  heard it and then he said he did (In the speech-that didn't impress me none--I considered the source and it was just politics as usual for him)just goes to show what kind of man he is.  Stands to reason that Wright is the source of Michelle Obama's anti-patriot comments and the BIG chip she has on her shoulder.  I was never for Obama, in the first place, I could never be.  He speaks well while delivering prepared speeches from a teleprompter. Otherwise, he stumbles and stammers. Obama says what he thinks people want to hear.  He can talk-the-talk but has not shown that he has or could walk-the-walk.  A vote for Obama now will be a vote for McCain in November.  We need a Democrat in the White House but any O'Democrat will not do.    
Times are changing and the Old Guards needs to face it.  All this liberal and conservative crap is completely craziness.  

Liberal means to say, we have people in society who care less about side of the issue they are on compared to how it affects many and not just the people who claim they are in charge of what people want.

I don't know why Fischer is apologizing...ludacris!
Carville has not and Clinton has not said a word about the behavior of the people who support her.

When Obama supporters say anything, they are slammed.  Rising above is hard to do when you are running against an under cover Republican.  With that said, McCain might as well excuse himself from the race.  With Hillary in, he may as well step aside.  
While I disagree with Fischer's wording and can do without the visual imagery of Monica's dress etc., I do believe the Clinton's are running a 'scorched earth' campaign and are willing to sacrifice the Democratic Party to win. As a former president, Bill Clinton was totally out of order Friday when he insinuated that only McCain and Hillary are Patriotic. What I cannot understand is the silence coming from the leaders of the Democratic Party. We can only hope that the American people are listening and will reject Hillary Clinton outright. What a shame both the Clintons are for our country.
I looks the Clintons/NY Times are now using the most Liberal Tag on Obama. Is this part the kitchen theory, not the kitchen sink because they already threw it.
It doesn't matter how many 'courageous stands' Obama says he will take.  It sounds so wonderful and it's great to dream, but where is the substance?  How soon we forget that Bush campaigned as the great unifier as well. Remember how he was going to bring the parties together...reach across the aisle?  It's easy to make campaign promises, much harder to pull them off when you actually have to convince entrenched 30 plus year veterans of Congress of BOTH parties to follow you when you are a one term, left-of-center, thin-on-experience Senator, who has spent 2 of those 4 years on the campaign trail. How is he going to get those lawmakers to take him seriously?  He hasn't explained that part. It's been all vision and no substance.

Both Clinton and McCain know how to play in the center and get things done. They have forged powerful relationships.  Obama has had little experience in this regard and has had no time to forge relationships.  Hillary is wrong in one respect - this isn't about learning on the job - his "pass" voting record alone should tell people that he has difficulty taking a stand. Go look at it.   We can't afford that in these dangerous times.   Remember Bush sitting around for 7 long minutes while our country was under attack. Do you want another President who can't make up his mind what to do under similar circumstances?

Obama supporters are swayed by two things here, IMO.  (1) Lofty promises of change, and (2) hatred of Hillary.  Neither are reasons to make anyone President.  
All of us have demons, but it is measure of our ability in how we deal with them..
Walk away , That's liberal..
Love and build upon them that's Human.
Be A Part of the Human Beings ..CHANGE Our World..
OBAMA '08
Regarding the Bill Richardson endorsement, should he show patriotism to the Clinton's or patriotism to his country?  He based his judgement on what he felt was the right thing to do for the country and for the democratic party.  Plus, he doesn't owe anything to Hillary Clinton.  As I recalled, Bill Clinton was President during the 90's.  
Senator Obama's call for African-Americans to take more personal responsiblity from better nutrition, to a more academic atmosphere in their homes, instead of reinforcing the old attitude of blame is "moderate". Neither is his heart polarized, or indifferent toward anyone. He sees "us". He says "our". He is for "all" Americans. Why do commentators want to put him in a box, and label it? He is a human being of great intellect, and superior character. Even when those around him make awful blunders such as referencing the 'blue dress', they apologize profusely because such behavior is not consistent with his personality. Those of us aligned with his candidacy have been uplifted by his new brand of politics, and so will Washington, should we be blessed with him as our next President.

To: Q Pulpit,
An amazing blog re: Money and McCarthy!

Pulling for Obama '08
"Socailly Liberal. Fiscaly conservative. That distintion is what draws the center to Obama.   - WD NJ"

If Sen. Obama is "fiscally conservative," why does his platform (from his own website) contain so many new and expanded programs without explaining where the additional funding for those programs will come from?  
Obama has been running a campaign based on emotion.  He is trying to win votes by feeding the mob of the Democratic party that dislikes the current president.  

Underneath is a very liberal politician.  He is extreme on the issues of gun control, national security, and health care.  Hillary cannot use this as an advantage since she is about the only member of Congress to the left of him.

His views on the issues will be exposed by November.  
All of this is moot.  The fact is, Obama won the nomination fair and square, and if he doesn't leave the convention as the nominee, his supporters simply won't vote.  It will be President McCain.  If that's what the Democrats want, that's the way to make sure it comes true.  Meanwhile, McCain is sitting there cogitating on which running mate will help him the most.  Here's how the selection process should work:
http://digits.hrblock.com/ssDigits/digits.php?rType=1&sPath=1140&sNode=1140&uId=198
McCain should step aside? I'll bet Obama would prefer this election to be like every other election he's won, but ain't gonna happen. Funny thing is this fight between Obama and Hillary is the toughest fight either has ever been in.
It is amazing that the leading Democrat for every presidential election is dubbed "most liberal".  How is that possible?  Seems like a dubious study.  Secondly, have we really done well under a conservative government?  And why isn't there more scorn on that term?
Information Junkie (Sent Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:10 AM),

Obama has stated outright that his proposals will go forward under PAYGO. In other words, if we do not have the revenue to pay for the proposals, they will not be done.

PAYGO means that you do not fund your projects through deficit/credit card spending.

That is the height of fiscal conservatism.
[[The NYT looks at the National Journal rating of Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate and the fallout it could cause. ]]

The idiots at the National Journal always figure out a way to tar the Democratic contender as "too liberal." They avoided rating McCain at all, but an honest rating would be "too fascist."

There is some truth to the statement that America tends to be a "center-right" country -- if you remove the "center" part. Unfortunately, fascism has always had a strong following in the US since Mussolini. I once knew an historian who said that prior to WWII, Hitler was more popular in America than Shirley Temple!

It's not that Americans are "evil," it's simply that corporate America runs a continual sales job on the public because fascism is the preferred form of government of large corporations, especially those associated with the military-industrial complex. Constant war is good for business.
Obama has too many speaking skills !!!  Especially one you do not want your next president to have!  The ability to "Lie with a straight face" and do it with authority in his voice.  This is a trained skill that I learned in speech and drama class. I had to say "the earth is flat" with authority in my voice, it makes anything more believeable!   Many cult leaders would use this same technique to get over their weird beliefs.  They love to hear themselves speak and they actually amaze themselves so much that they start believing what they say!! even if it's false!!
I can suum up Obama in four words

BOOK SMART
PEOPLE STUPID
of course the politicians want to see the democratic nominees destroy one another and then see that McCain is a "shoe in".  The war must go on... there is too much at stake to stop it.  This is just a business deal between the powers-that-be.


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