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Professor vs. Senior Lecturer

Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:17 AM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
The University of Chicago released a statement clarifying Obama's status at the university. He is a senior lecturer and has cited that he is a constitutional law professor on the trail. That's something that has caused some criticism and allegations of exaggeration. It's something the Clinton campaign has pushed as well in conference calls with reporters in the past week.

Here's the statement:
"The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

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Hmm, sounds pretty straight up to me. Once again, another attempt by the Clinton's to dig up some dirt as been shot down and aborted.

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Ever notice you never hear Senator Clinton talk about education on the campaign trail?
Lets split some hairs.
hmmm, he's either a professor or he's not...and it seems the Law School never gave him the title of professor and therefore, whether he was regarded as one is irrelevant.  The fact remains that while he gave lecutures from time to time, he was not a professor as he claimed and as the Law School still has yet to state otherwise.  

So, it was correct for Clinton to point this out.
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I thought he was a professor of Liberation Theology?
After looking at the University of Chicago's clarification, would someone tell the Clinton Campaign that "there is no THERE there!"
I agree with Cory. Obama said he was a professor and the university just validated that. No issue there, except the monster's continued attempts to make Obama as unelectable as she is.
Case closed.  Truthful and to the point.
Yet another Clinton LIE debunked.
As an ex-law student, I guarantee you the students called him Prof. Obama not Lecturer Obama.  Its a distinction without a difference.  Clinton is really this pathetic?  
Barack Obama has not built a CAMPAIGN PLATFORM on his "experience" of being a Professor.  Hillary Clinton has built a CAMPAIGN PLATFORM on her FOREIGN POLICY "experience."  There is a BIG DIFFERENCE.
Boom!  Silly Hillary.  Just because you may lie without conscience doesn't mean that everyone else has.  I actually know a girl that was in one of the classes he taught.  Unfortunately, there isn't anyone who can verify Sen. Clinton's "sniper fire" delusion.  Why would someone lie about something that can be so easily fact-checked?  Arrogance maybe?  Well we have enough of that now with Bush/Cheney.
It would seem his official title may be lecturer but those distinctions are rarely made by students and outsiders to the school.  When I was in college or grad school (and I have both a law degree and an MBA in healthcare admin.), I always called my teacher Professor or Dr.  Rarely did I know what their exact title at the school was.  Clearly he taught Con Law at the very reputable law school, clearly he was Professor Obama to his students.

Let's move on...

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This is reaching the point of absurdity.

The Clinton campaign is now trying to differentiate between the positions of senior lecturer and law professor.

I think that says it all about the desperate state of their campaign.
"Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School."

Umm, it clearly states that he was a professor.  I think you people need to FULLY read the quote.
Pat can you even read? Or are you just to slow minded to understand the words.
"Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."
Seems to me to be the schools saying he is a professor. Of course he did not state he had to duck and run from sniper fire on the way to class. Guess he gets more sleep.
"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School."

"Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."

Please reference the above two quotations directly from the Law School statement.  He is obviously considered a professor by the school.
"hmmm, he's either a professor or he's not...and it seems the Law School never gave him the title of professor and therefore, whether he was regarded as one is irrelevant.  The fact remains that while he gave lecutures from time to time, he was not a professor as he claimed and as the Law School still has yet to state otherwise.  

So, it was correct for Clinton to point this out."

Pat Huntington NY (Sent Friday, March 28, 2008 10:29 AM)

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Pat, did you even bother to read this blog before you posted?  Go back and try again.
Pat in Huntington NY:

Get a clue dude.  The only difference is in the official title.  Obama didn't give lectures from "time to time".  He taught three courses a year while serving in the IL legislature and US Senate.  So Obama was a professor but because he was not on a tenure-track his title was that of Senior Lecturer.  He did exactly what professors do but was not a tenure-track professor.  To try to claim that Obama is lying here really shows how desperate you Clinton supporters are.
Thanks for proving once again that Obama tells the truth! GO OBAMA!!
Pat,

Here is the excerpt from the schools statement.

"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."

Please notice that they state that he "served as a professor" and "are regarded as professors". Now how does this compare with the "we were under sniper fire" and "ran with our heads down to the cars" statements?
As the spouse of a Professor I can tell you that they (Professors) do not view lecturers as Professors.

But so what.  This is as silly as the discussion of Clinton's "exagerations".....

Mountains out of molehills while the war rages, people lose their homes and the only thing that is shrinking quicker than the antarctic is the value of the dollar!  

Both camps need to get back to the issues.
Let's see...

Obama says he taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago.  TRUE

Hillary says she went to combat zone Bosnia.  TRUE

Obama says about the Terry Schiavo case "And I think that was a mistake, and I think the American people understood that that was a mistake. And as a constitutional law professor, I knew better".  University of Chicago confirms that status of Sr. Lecturer is comparable to Law Professor.  

Hillary says on numerous occassion but particular on March 17th about her Bosnia trip, "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base".  CBS NEWS releases video footage clearly showing that Hillary lied about her tarmac ordeal.  
From Wikipedia:
The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, person is professed to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of highest rank) varies. In some English-speaking countries, it refers to a senior academic who holds a departmental chair, especially as head of the department, or a personal chair awarded specifically to that individual. For example, in the UK and Australia it is a legal title conferred by a university denoting the highest academic rank, whereas in the United States, Brazil, Canada, India, Hong Kong, individuals often use the term professor as a polite form of address for any lecturer, or researcher employed by a college or university, regardless of rank.
just anothe boneheaded mistake---------how many more in closet?After he is crowned at the convention the republicans will bring out many more.They are much smarter than the Democratic party,and are chuckleing on the sidelines.Matthews is doing his best to get rid o the Clinton family and pushingfor Obama---He knows his hero John Mccain will beat Obama into the ground.
Meanwhile in my lab I have devised an insidious method for splitting hairs.  Hopefully I can market this to the Clinton campaign for big $'s.  
"Ok, so even if he was a professor, all he did was lecture, i.e., give pretty speeches on the law, etc.  So, once again...Obama is all words and no substance, while Hillary is the right experience and about solutions."

Pat Huntington NY (Sent Friday, March 28, 2008 10:38 AM)

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It's called teaching.  Are you suggesting that teachers all across the country are just about "pretty words" and that they're "all words and no substance"?

Does Senator Clinton have any experience in the academic world such as this?
LAW STUDENT makes an interesting and revealing post.  Did the law students call Barack Obama, Professor Obama or Sr. Lecturer Obama?  In campaign words of Bill Clinton 'Let's stop beating a dead dog.'
I do not understand why the Clinton pushed this story. It was easy to know figure that any one that teaches at a University or College are professors. Full time or not.

Question is, Where has Billary taught?
Oh, gosh Pat Huntington NY, you’re pathetic! On your smartest day you wouldn't have as much intelligence in Obama's pinkie finger on his slowest day. Every professor "lectures", did you not ever attend college?
At least Obama didn't tell everyone he lectured under sniper fire.
No offense, but take it from a college student, profeessors do more than lecture.  It takes time and effort to prepare something that is meaningful to students.  Please admit your mistake and move on.  Thank you.  Oh, and by the way, I'm not supporting any candidate at this point, so you can't say I'm biased.  I haven't decided who to vote for in the generals.
Twelve years as a teacher of constitutional law.  Wow.  I didn't realize he did this this long.  I think he should trumpet this more in the genreal election, particularly for the Republicans who think he is lacking in intellect or experience.
Yeah Patty SD, CA, lets split hairs:

Clinton, you know, is a liar you know?  Caught she responds by charging the other guy is lying too!
"So, it was correct for Clinton to point this out."

Pat, can you read?

""The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."

Were the words too big for you?
Pat from Huntington NY, you are indeed a troll.  You just changed the entire crux of your argument.  You are like the remaining 29% of the population that thinks Bush is doing a good job.  You will now be forever added to the Scroll List.  Go ahead and continue your childish rants if you wish to do so.  You are a poor advocate for your candidate.
Why does Obama want to leave Congress if he's an expert of constitutional law?

He should be where the laws are made, in the Legislative Branch, or where the laws are clarified, in the Judicial Branch. Definitely not in branch that enforces the laws. That's just counter-intuitive if not stupid. Haven't we had enough of lawyers running the military?

Why would someone SO COMMITTED TO CHANGE want to leave the office that allows him to be involved in making laws for the office that CAN'T MAKE ANY, and isn't even responsible for verifying laws with the constitution?

Could it be the bigger pay check? Could it be the recognition? Could it be the chapter in future history books that says, "First Black President?" Yes. Yes. It could. Don't be fooled.
I don't think HIllary supporters know HOW to read; or at least, they only read what that supports their lies.

HILLARY LIED, OBAMA TELLS THE TRUTH!

Accept it!
"...the Law School never gave him the title of professor and therefore, whether he was regarded as one is irrelevant...  

So, it was correct for Clinton to point this out."

-Pat Huntington NY


So is that really what you got from that piece?
Has it come to this?

This is pathetic.
Pat -

Hillary has consistly lied about her foreign policy experience - Ireland & now Bosnia

All that leaves is a speech in Beijing.....how ironic that her foreign policy now boils down to a speech, just a speech.

Karma, ain't it a bitch.
While the entire issue seems totally absurd to begin with, it might be well to point out that both Clintons also were law-school lecturers and/or professors at one time and that Sen Joseph Biden continues to occupy a similar position in Delaware and has for many years.
While I do not denigrate Sen Obama's experience in this area, I do not find it particularly unusual nor particularly relevant to the Presidency, since one assumes that all three major candidates are familiar with the Constitution.
Pat, what do you mean "all he did was Lecture"?? hmmm, his title was "Senior Lecturer", wasn't that what he was supposed to do?  I agree with Pete, unless I've missed it, I've never heard Senator Clinton mention education.  At least Senator Obama has "taught" our young people.  Remember, they are our future.
"Barack Obama has not built a CAMPAIGN PLATFORM on his "experience" of being a Professor.  Hillary Clinton has built a CAMPAIGN PLATFORM on her FOREIGN POLICY "experience."  There is a BIG DIFFERENCE."

Claire (Sent Friday, March 28, 2008 10:32 AM)

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Like we keep asking, just what was Hillary's foreign policy "experience"?
For crying out loud, it clearly states "He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."  

So, "all he did was lecture, i.e., give pretty speeches on the law, etc." is a bit of a "mis-statement."  He taught Constitutional Law courses at one of the United States of America's best law schools (According to U.S. News and World Reports, the seventh best in the country!).  

Geez, how could being an expert on Constitutional Law help a U.S. President?

It's apparent Bush never even read the Constitution.  How refreshing it will be to have a scholar of the Constitution as our President!
Obama embellished his credentials!
Well of course the law school "considers" Obama a PROFESSOR - they're not going to call him a "teacher" in a law school!
But Obama clearly EMBELLISHED!!
Such hair splitting is definitely a sign of desparation.  Frankly, the point I take from this is that Obama may be the first president in a long time that can take the oath to 'protect and defend the constitution' and actually know what that means!
Here goes the Clintons again, after getting caught in their lie on Bosnia try to smear Obama on this issue. What do you expect from the folks that don't know what the meaining of "is" is.
First it was "I was not aware of these statements" and now it is "I would have left the church if he did not retire".  Talk about saying anything in order to get elected!
Hillary failed her first bar exam.

Obama was President of the Harvard Law Review, past his bar exam, graduated with high honors AND was a popular Constitutional law professor for many years.

After 8 years of Bush, the US needs a smart president.


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