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Dean, Florida group meet

Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:49 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
Eleven members of the Florida Democratic contingent met today with DNC Chairman Howard Dean to discuss possible ways to seat the Florida delegation at the national convention in August.

"It was a good meeting," a DNC spokesperson said. "Dean brought them together; all agreed to work together to ensure that a Florida delegation is seated."

In fact, Dean said he'd do everything in his power to make sure the delegation is seated, but any solution would have to be in accordance with the rules, and both campaigns would need to agree.

The sticking point, of course, has been just how to accomplish that. It's been convention wisdom -- even since before the Florida primary -- that any would-be nominee would seat at least a non-voting Florida delegation.

In attendance at the meeting from Florida were Sen. Bill Nelson, Reps. Alcee Hastings, Corrine Brown, Bob Wexler, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Ron Klein, Tim Mahoney, Kathy Castor, Allan Boyd, Kendrick Meek and Karen Thurman.

A joint statement from the group is expected today.

*** UPDATE *** Here's the joint statement: "We are all committed to doing everything we can to ensure that a Florida delegation is seated in Denver. We all agree that whatever the solution, it must have the support of both campaigns.  While there may be differences of opinion in how we get there, we are all committed to ensuring that Florida's delegation is seated in Denver. We're committed to working with both campaigns to reach a solution as soon as realistically possible. We are also laying the groundwork to ensure we win in Florida in November and spent time here today talking about how to do just that.  We will continue to work towards a solution to ensure delegates are seated and logistics are in place for a Florida delegation in Denver."

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Simple, fair solution - honor both the voters and the rules - seat the elected delegates in proportion to the tainted election. Do NOT seat the SuperDelegates from Florida or Michigan. Neither side gets what they want, but no one will be able to criticize it. Bill Nelson should show leadership and recommend this solution. The voters and the rules are both honored.
Whatever solution the party comes up with should include plenty of time to allow BOTH candidates to campaign in Florida.  No more single candidate ballots or shady stuff.
Let's hope and pray for a peaceful resolution. It seems forthcoming.

Looking forward to what the Floridian Rep's. impression of the meeting was.

Pulling for Obama '08
They must seat them according to the vote.  1.7 million voters came out to vote on an election that "didn't matter".  Obama was on TV on CNN and Msnbc with commercials although they both said they would not do so.  Obama is so way far out ahead what's the difference?  Does Obama think he can win the general election without Florida?  I don't think so
Sorry but if they don't use the results from the OFFICIAL election, people will not be pleased. Too bad that the DNC is too proud to admit they made a draconian decision to start with and will do nothing to resolve that. Good luck on getting the campaigns to agree. I keep hearing Obama reps saying "he didn't campaign there." So what? Nobody did!! He doesn't deserve half the delegates of FL. Have heard in MI Obama folks want all uncommitted votes to go to him. Wrong. He and Hilary were not the only people in the race at that time. What a mess and frankly the reason I will most likely change to Independent. That way in the future when the DNC makes another ignorant blunder then I don't have to vote for them.
The delegates will be seated AFTER the nominee is named.  This whole revote thing is already DOA, and what Billary doesn't want you to understand, is the fact that the delegates CAN be seated AFTER the nominee is decided.

She wants a revote because that his her only chance of possibly catching up to Obama on popular vote, but that would even be a long shot.

The rules were broken and that is that.  The "fake" vote that Billary claims to have won means nothing and will still mean nothing.

No revote will take place and the delegates will be seated AFTER the nominee is chosen.

The same thing will happen with Michigan.
seat florida and michigan at the convention, evenly divide their votes between obama and hillary, everyone should be happy, anything else won't work and would be un-fair and illegitimate
I guess that means there will be no revote.  Will the Clinton supporters still vote in PA knowing that she can't win the nomination?  I can't wait to hear Chuck Todd explain how its still possible (albeit remotely) for her to win this thing.  Its also will be interesting to hear the Clinton spinners try to come up with some new metric that will justify their attempt to hijack the nomination.    
All the Democratic legislators voted to break the rules
No getting around that

All the Democratic establishment voted to break the rules

Most people who voted in the Florida primary were drawn to it by a property tax issue on the ballot

Sorry !
You blew it, Florida !!
You can vote for Obama's re-election in 2012
What is wrong down there?
Is it the senile old folk?
The non-english speaking mini-Cuba?

The DNC putting the Duh back into Flori-Duh.
And don't forget about Mush-igan.
Obama will lose by a landslide in Pennsylvania-  She will win by 15-20%.  Florida will be seated after hillary wins the nomination
Why punish Obama for your cruddy politicains Florida and Michigan?  Punish your cruddy polictians instead.  Use some common sense!!

The Potter plan works for Florida.  What you Obamamites can't seem to get through your thick heads is that unless the delegates are seated in a way that reflects their votes they will not be willing to back the Democratic nominee, especially if it's Barack Obama.  If he doesn't have the backing of Florida and MI in the general, and can't win Ohio, which he won't and everyone but you knows it, then how exactly do you expect him to win the general election?

As time goes on I wonder how much the RNC payed Howard Dean to screw up this election.  This year should have been a slam dunk, but thanks to the DNC and their poor handling of the scheduling, and MI and FL, the general election is in serious jeopardy.  

And don't hand me any of that crap about Obama's new electoral map.  The only red state he might conceivably win is Georgia, or maybe SC.  That won't be enough to offset MI FL and Ohio.  And depending on how the exit polls from PA look, that state could be in play for McCain, as is NJ.

Howard, you better find a way to seat those delegates and count those votes or get used to saying President John McCain.  And you will most certainly want to start preparing to go back to private medical practice, because if the Democrats lose the G.E. you're going to be out of a job.
Hey Nobama

There was no "official election".  They broke the rules so they don't get an "official election".

And instead of whining about it now, like sore losers, the elected officals in the states of Michigan and FLorida should have made a stink about it wayyyyyyyy back when it was agreed upon.  Guess they didn't care wayyyyyyyyy back then, HRC included.

Nice try though.
To NOBama

Do you reside in FL?  If not than please do not say that no one campaigned here.  If you do reside in FL. than you must know as the Sun-Sentinel reported that Hillary Clinton was here in South Beach at the Lucky Strike Bowling Lanes on January 27th.  2 days prior to the primary

As quoted in my local paper
"She stood outside the bowling alley holding a homemade sing that read, in part, "We want a president that can keep a promise""

Based on comments I have seen in my local paper by Rep Tim Mahoney, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Sen. Bill Nelson I wonder if they recall the name of Katherine Harris.  If so I hope they remember what became of her political career.  

The FL primary vote was disenfranchised before the primary not after.

Say what you mean and mean what you say!!

Do not change the rules in the middle of the game.

Those who voted for a presidential nominee knew from the getgo that their votes would not be counted.

Stop your whining and get over it.

I cast a ballot in the primary but only on the property tax amendment because I knew that voting for a candidate was a moot point
Based on comments I have seen in my local paper by Rep Tim Mahoney, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Sen. Bill Nelson I wonder if they recall the name of Katherine Harris.  If so I hope they remember what became of her political career.  

The FL primary vote was disenfranchised before the primary not after.

Say what you mean and mean what you say!!

Do not change the rules in the middle of the game.

Those who voted for a presidential nominee knew from the getgo that their votes would not be counted.

Stop your whining and get over it.

I cast a ballot in the primary but only on the property tax amendment because I knew that voting for a candidate was a moot point
"Sorry but if they don't use the results from the OFFICIAL election, people will not be pleased."

Hey NOBama - that wasn't the OFFICIAL election, as it was never recognized to begin with!  FL and MI party leaders messed up!  It's time they stepped off their high horses and admit this!

Please...stop...the...insanity...
Sen Tracy Potter, Bismarck, ND:
A fair solution if you're a Hillary supporter.

- Reality is that many Dems stayed home or voted in the GOP primaries.
- Also, without any campaigning, Hillary's brand was well known while Obama's was not.
- Before she realized that she might need them, Hillary stated on the record that no delegates would be awarded as a result of these votes.
- Harold Ickes voted to strip FL and MI of their delegates.

The only fair solution is to either do a complete do-over where everyone is allowed to vote, follow the rules as agreed upon by all candidates OR go to the convention's credentials committee in August.
Seat half of the FL delegates like the Republicans there are doing.
The FL delegates should be seated according to the primary. FL Dems should not be punished for something that was actually caused by the Republicans!!!!!!
The FL Dems pushed the early vote. knowing what would happen but did any way. The same MI. everyone agreed that they would not be seated now that clinton is losing. her party insiders is pushing for these votes.
The rules are the rules.  Florida and Michigan knew the penalty for ignoring the rules.  Now's the time to endure the penalty and not be seated.  It would seem the best solution next time would be to rotate the states to be first in the primaries.  As if it's going to matter then.
Problem with stating that the Democrats shouldn't be punished for something caused by the Republicans is that the Democrats in Florida's messed-up political system also voted to move the primary forward.  The delegates in Michigan and Florida should either be seated 50/50 (with no superdelegate representation) or should have no vote at all.  I live in Florida, voted, and know that what my state representatives did was in violation of the rules.  If you reward a temper tantrum, then expect that same tantrum to keep showing its ugly head.  If you're not happy with the rules being enforced, then vote the people that violated the rules out of office when they run for re-election.

Blah, blah. Same old. I think they'll all be committed by the time this is over.

 Sounds like Sen. Clinton's big plans-promising and positive, but no real solution or result.
The high turnout for the property tax amendment in Florida skewed the electorate.  Most likely the people without property to tax stayed home since nothing was at stake for them in the election and this population was probably more likely to vote for Obama.  Has anybody done an analysis of the turnout for this year's primary and compare it to turnout for previous presidential elections and primaries?


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