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RFK, IU hoops invoked at Clinton event

Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:40 AM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli and NBC's Chuck Todd
BLOOMINGTON, IN -- Move over, "Rocky" analogies. At Indiana University yesterday, Hillary Clinton was compared to both Robert F. Kennedy and the school's basketball program at an event featuring former President Bill Clinton.

Speaking somewhere near center court at Assembly Hall, Bill Clinton outlined the four main reasons he said voters should pick his wife in the state's May 6 primary. The final reason -- that she is the "best change-maker," inspired Clinton to recall Kennedy's legacy, particularly the role he played after the death of Martin Luther King Jr. 40 years ago.

"When I was the age of a lot of you, I sat with tears in my eyes and watched Bobby Kennedy give that speech here in Indianapolis, when Martin Luther King was dead and I didn't know what in the living daylights had become of my country," he said. "Now, we got all these terrible problems, I know it, but you wanna talk about terrible, that was terrible." (FYI: The Clintons have to know they'll get fact-checked on statements like this. No doubt  the former president knows the facts are on his side before he talks about a memory like this, but given the Bosnia incident, the press corps will trust but verify.)

Clinton said that he was a student at Georgetown in DC at the time of King's assassination. "The city exploded into flames and I turned my car into an ambulance and I took supplies to the African Americans that were burned out of their homes and were hiding in church basements," he recalled. "It was a long time ago. But I always thought America would have been a very different place if Robert Kennedy had lived, because he wanted to be the candidate of people who had hopes and dreams, and also the candidate of people who could barely keep body and soul together."

Clinton also said, as he has occasionally in the past, that there were "lots of interesting parallels" between the '68 presidential contest and the current race, casting his wife in the role of Kennedy. "Most of the blue-collar folks that knew they needed a president were for Kennedy. Most of the university students who wanted a feeling of change were for McCarthy, and they thought he had a purer position on the Vietnam War," he said.

Though he acknowledged some Kennedys, most notably Sen. Ted Kennedy, have endorsed Obama, he pointed to the support of RFK's "three most politically active children" for Hillary. "The Kennedy family's divided just like a lot of families," he said. "Jesse Jackson and his son, the congressman, are for Senator Obama. Jesse Jackson's wife and his son, the businessman, are for Hillary."

Speaking about the Iraq war earlier, Clinton said that he found the idea that there was a "massive difference" between Hillary and Obama on the war "one of the most curious things" in the race. "[It] requires a highly selective reading of the evidence," he said. "You gotta be highly selective and just sort of erase certain years from your fact base if you're gonna make that case."

Clinton arrived at Indiana University more than two hours late, as the former president has been doing more and more lately. "I thank you for waiting for me," he told the thousands who packed the venue. "I started late, and then everywhere we've been we've had these huge crowds, students coming out, schools. And I don't know how not to shake hands with people."

Clinton arrived on the campus the same day that the athletic program officially introduced Tom Crean as the new men's basketball coach. Clinton called himself "a total basketball fanatic" and said he was "glad to be on hallowed ground" on the court. He also met with Crean after the event.

Introducing Clinton, state Sen. Vi Simpson tied the Clintons to Hoosiers. "We've had a lot of winning teams here over the years -- teams who have come from behind, teams who have triumphed over adversity, teams who no matter how daunting the circumstances, have never given up. They've never surrendered," she said. "The Clintons, President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Clinton, have never stopped fighting. And they never will."

And signaling just that, Clinton spoke optimistically about his wife's chances in Indiana and other upcoming contests. He said there was a chance she could score "massive" wins in several. "I think there'll be a big question about why she shouldn't be the nominee if she has won most of the popular votes," he said.

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The only comparison between Hillary Clinton and IU basketball is that Hillary's coach, Bill, often talks to superdelegates in the same uncontrolled, emotion, non-sensical fashion that Bobby Knight used to talk to referees... and players... and reporters.
Actor Jeremy Piven spoke on behalf of Barack Obama last night at Purdue University. He made it quick, fast and to the point.  He wasn't a great surrogate but it was great to have someone for the Obama campaign visit out campus.  With that being said, I'd rather have Jeremy Piven than Bill Clinton everyone day. Bill you gotta remember, Midwestern schools are intelligent institutions we see past your LAME rhetoric.  Silly Bill.
Popular vote ... I hope whoever is counting this irrelevant statistic counts it correctly ... Obama carried the Texas caucuses by 120,000 votes or more. They stopped counting, (because it doesn't matter!) but the Texas party was convinced that the 56-44 ratio would hold for all of the more than one million voters who showed up.
Is there a reason that she can't stand on her own merits?  Or most "she" (or her surrogates) always invoke somebody else?

Middle class 40-something white women for Obama
(no I don't like identity politics but I am happy to debunk any myths).

Yes Indeedy We Can!
Speaking about the Iraq war earlier, Clinton said that he found the idea that there was a "massive difference" between Hillary and Obama on the war "one of the most curious things" in the race. "[It] requires a highly selective reading of the evidence," he said. "You gotta be highly selective and just sort of erase certain years from your fact base if you're gonna make that case."

HRC didn`t read the reports, she relied on the words of staff members and voted for the war in Iraq.
Now that is the differences between HRC & Obama, he reads and listens to the people were HRC just assumes.

My goodnees man you really need to stop talking you are starting to sound as bad as your wife and we all
know that she is a BIG FAT LIAR!!

Go Obama '08
Another comparision is that Hillary Clinton and IU basketball are both indebt and are on the downfall. Bob Knight left a legacy at IU that spanded over 35 years.  But eventually he had to move on.  Hillary...you get my drift??/
Speaking about the Iraq war earlier, Clinton said that he found the idea that there was a "massive difference" between Hillary and Obama on the war "one of the most curious things" in the race. "[It] requires a highly selective reading of the evidence," he said. "You gotta be highly selective and just sort of erase certain years from your fact base if you're gonna make that case."

HRC didn`t read the reports, she relied on the words of staff members and voted for the war in Iraq.
Now that is the differences between HRC & Obama, he reads and listens to the people were HRC just assumes.

My goodnees man you really need to stop talking you are starting to sound as bad as your wife and we all
know that she is a BIG FAT LIAR!!

Go Obama '08
"I think there'll be a big question about why she shouldn't be the nominee if she has won most of the popular votes," he said.

Put aside for the moment the fact that DELEGATES determine the nominee. Obama is 700,000 votes ahead in the popular vote despite some of his wins--like caucus-state Iowa--where only elected delegates are reported. The popular votes of FL and MI do not count because there was no campaign there---Clinton won basically on name recognition and inevitability. Even if they were counted, Obama would still be 300,000 plus votes ahead.

So let's save this Bill Clinton quote until the last state returns. We know Obama will be ahead in delegates, but if he is also ahead in popular votes the media should press Bill Clinton on whether----based on his own statement---Hillary should concede and not drag this out to the convention.
Why should B Clinton helping black people after MLK's assassination translate into votes for Hillary- what exact role did she play in his ambulance service?

Did his point (why we should vote for his wife) get lost in the relaying of the story?
On a related note, the Clinton campaign named former IU coach Kelvin Sampson as its director of telecommuncations.
Do you even remember, when you sold out Bill?

Pulling for Obama '08
Bill should be at home working on there tax returns, he's wasting his time in Indiana anyway.
Saint Hillary , Savior to Hurricane Katrina victims , Peace Keeper Ireland , Sniper fire dodger in Bosnia,  Founder of the S-CHIP program ,The Clinton Whirligig is at it again.You know I agreed that she was like Rocky Balboa a fiction based character ,but now more and more I think somebody was right when they said .Forrest Gump except  she is not nearly as believable as he was.
What does Bill know about a war he wouldn't serve.
Speaking about the Iraq war earlier, Clinton said that he found the idea that there was a "massive difference" between Hillary and Obama on the war "one of the most curious things" in the race. "[It] requires a highly selective reading of the evidence," he said. "You gotta be highly selective and just sort of erase certain years from your fact base if you're gonna make that case."

Obama has always been against it....
Hillary voted for it before she went against it....

Bill is suggesting to people that they erase the part where Hillary voted for the war???????


Introducing Clinton, state Sen. Vi Simpson tied the Clintons to Hoosiers. "We've had a lot of winning teams here over the years -- teams who have come from behind, teams who have triumphed over adversity, teams who no matter how daunting the circumstances, have never given up. They've never surrendered," she said. "The Clintons, President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Clinton, have never stopped fighting. And they never will.

The Clinton's and Bobby Knight have a lot in common.

They have both assulted people
They can get mean with the press
They can throw chairs (and steal them as well)

At least Bobby Knight told you the way it was....
HIllary gives you five versions.....

Can't wait for the press to find out if Bill turned his car into an ambulance or jumped in his car to flee.


Why is the popular vote the measure now ?  If they wanted to measure by popular vote they would not have this painstaking proportional splitting of delegates.

If you don't win the general by popular vote, why are the rules sliding in the primary races?
Bill... Please tell us about the sniper fire!  The Courageous Clintons just can't resiste a chance to tell us about their personal heroics.

Now, if only you hadn't gotten Senator Fulbright to write that letter to get you out of the draft!

Hillary dodging bullets, after missing out on joining the army.  Bill and the draft.  What's next?  Chelsea undercover battling terrorista with her "It's none of your business" knockout punch?

Everybody's a hero in Clintonland.  And the fish stories are beginning to stink.
Seriously Bill? You turned your car into an ambulance? You turned out to be the hero for black folks again Bill? Really......?

Tell me more of your bedtime story.
"Clinton said that he was a student at Georgetown in DC at the time of King's assassination. "The city exploded into flames and I turned my car into an ambulance and I took supplies to the African Americans that were burned out of their homes and were hiding in church basements," he recalled. "

Really?
Being a Purdue grad.  Wait until Bill starts to throw the chair, choke his players, and make strange faces at the camera.  He has already dissed the referees and the commish.

He does not quite have the RFK analogy right.  RFK was supported by nearly everyone - I lived those days too.

Wonder if Bill has any proof of his roll as ambulance provider - car registration(?), newspaper accounts.
Sorry but I can no longer believe anything the Clinton's say concerning their collective experiences.

I wonder if Bill was wearing a helmet to prevent him from getting hit by sniper fire
looks like if bill has time to be running around speaking on hillary's alleged good qualities, he could also swing by his accounts office and get those financial documents that people would like to look at before they vote. obama got it done sometime ago, bill and hillary should release those documents or the dnc should disqualify hillary
A question to all the loyal Clintonistas: Why do you think Hillary hasn't released their tax returns for the last six years? By waiting until the 15th, she won't have time to defuse any questionable issues before the PA primary. If something like $20 million in income from one political donor like Ron Burkle is shown, wouldn't that have a negative connotation? Also, if they had investments in Brazilian sweat shops like Brenco.
Hillary and Bill are completely aboveboard, aren't they? They wouldn't lie. So why not release the tax returns now and get them out of the way.
Or do they just want to delay the inevitable and use the extra time to continue the assualt against Obama? After all, they can't run again in 2012 if he wins. And that definitely appears to be her objective.
You wanna talk fact checking? Why is there zero coverage of Obama's lie that the Kennedy's paid for his father to come study in the US?
Both candidates are good choices for us to peruse. But I do wish the people on these "blogs" would contemplate the positive instead of all the negatives. After all, it is what they can do that counts. We have here a charismatic with very good abilities to make great speeches. He is very intelligent as well. Being Democratic he has some good ideas. He has been given some leg ups by the Illinois senate to be where he is today. AA has also been in his favor along with his wife & what a great country we have that he can be where he is today.
We also have a woman, not so charismatic, a nuts & bolts person. She is very strong & quite the fighter. She certainly has been around longer & involved with politics since her college years. She has been in the school of learning & life and has a deep down desire to make things right. If you listen to her televised or otherwise speeches on any given subject, her depth of knowledge amazes me. But for those of you whom think she is cold, you are so mistaken. She has the biggest heart I have rarely seen in others. Go to thehillaryiknow.com. The economy is our biggest problem & she was there when it got turned around in the 90's. Is there "dirty laundry" in their past? Yes, on both of them. She has just had more time to accumulate it. Has either of them done anything to improve our lives? History tells us that. Their personalites couldn't be more opposite. Have they mispoken for political expediency. Yes, they both have. It's just that one is better at mullifying it.
Someone should really clue Bill in on the fact that the Kennedys can't stand the Clintons.
Although it WOULD be fun to see Hil throw a chair at someone, the way Bobby Knight used to do on those days he wasn't being medicated.
While you're fact-checking Bill Clinton's statements in Indiana you might also want to check the truthfulness of his statement in California.  Bill Clinton said "Bill Richardson told me five times to my face that he would not endorse Obama".  

Richardson and Clinton had only one meeting since Richardson dropped out of the race.  They met during the superbowl.  How would it even be possible that Bill Richardson told him anything five times to his face?  As you know, the Clintons aren't exactly famous for telling the truth.  This is just one more example of their fairy tales.
She is such an embarassment.  I can't believe a word that comes out of her mouth, and I reflexivly mute the sound when she's speaking.
That's funny because, I'm not sure if anyone else agrees with me, but I think that Obama and RFK are actually strikingly similar.  Both were young and sought to bring a message of change and reconciliation to a war-torn, damaged country.  Also, the part about university students supporting McCarthy over RFK is only half-accurate and is a clear attempt to divide democrats into 'blue-collar' and those rich suburbanite college kids, which is dangerous.
CAN I PLEASE SEE A GAFFE OR A NEGATIVE OR A STUMBLE REPORTED ON BY FIRST READ ON BARACK ? OBAMA........ geez guys barack obama do sh@@T TOO... and I bet it stinks when he does.
Just say anything
Any lie will do
Apparently, Billary has NOTHING

Comparing a corrupt, lying, soulless hack to RFK is NONSENSE !!

You're behing 13% in pledged delegates
You CAN'T WIN the nomination

Bye, Bye
What Bill is failing to pick up is that AA's and the rest of America dont need surrogate white people doing it anymore. I'm white. I couldn't care less about Bill's experience back in the 60s. That was 40 years ago. Obama is 'the man' now, not RFK.
Bill Clinton, the Ike Turner of politics.
Jeff: I disagree. As we see from Heinz' endorsements[this woman,a Soros satrap],and Obama hinting at a Gore cabinet post,Barack continues his leftwards lurch. To be sure,there will be the comparisons to a 'Kennedy'' or in the case of ROLLING STONE,''Lincoln'',but these are Beatles-worship style platitudes eminating solely from the leftwing,which is truly what is ''dangerous''.[as bad for this nation as influences from the right].
                   A theoretical President Obama will get into early trouble under a Goreian philosophy on energy,for example,which will pit eastern and coaster liberals and leftwingers against,as expected, the GOP,but also against mineral-coal-western state Democrats,who will join forces with the Republicans to block leftist machinations. All of this talk of ''healing''the country is alot of moonshine. Unless Obama plots course to the center,there will be none of this ''healing''as envisioned by Obamas leftwinged supporters. Any move seen as taking jobs away from Americans[such as this mining reform bill backed by eastern and coaster liberals that would gut jobs in this uniquely American industry,and opposed already by western Democrats and the GOP],will create fracture among an ostensibly ''united''Democrat front. It thus pays to observe that Democrats are already ''divided''by these issues bearing upon ideology. The pragmatic conservatism and centrism of the Testers,Webbs,Schylers,[''blue-collar''if you will],and even Reids,and the pie-in-the-sky socialism of the Soros-bloc liberal left.[the ''rich suburbanites'',usually hailing from a Hamptons,a Cape Cod,a Pacific Heights,or a lakeshore Chicago,whose relation to ordinary Americans is tenuous at best,and whose adherents maintain ideological elitism that is routinely scorned by Americans of both parties].
               
Where is O'Bama's records of his stint as Illinois senate days? In dissaray or thrown away. The dog ate my homework. Since that is the only record he has other than 1 year in the US Senate, then why is that not important? Bosnia, she was there. Ireland, 3 prominent people said she made a significant difference and that out numbers the one that said she didn't. China, she was there & brave enough to speak her mind on women's rights. She has been all over Africa & not just Kenya. It was reported that Kennedy greatly relied on Hillary's lobbying for the Schip bill to get passed and for more money then originally allowed. SHE GOT IT PASSED! 8 years as a Governors wife, 8 years as a First Lady that was so involved in the day to day occurences of the White House that she had her office in the West Wing instead of the traditional East Wing for First Ladies. Come on folks, you see her now, do you honestly beleive that she was not involved in the politics of her husbands career? According to eyewitnesses, Bill used her as a sounding board at the end of the day, she was the last person he would talk over issues before he made up his mind. These things are not on official records. Can we all come together, that depends on us & not government. Government has already done what it could for the African American's. The rest is up to each person & government cannot change that. Boot straps are what is required here. This is the free'st country in the world, if you can't make it here, you can't make it anywhere. There is doer's and shakers, there is also coat tail hangers.
'"I think there'll be a big question about why she shouldn't be the nominee if she has won most of the popular votes," he said." Well who is counting the popular vote for him? Last I saw, Obama had the edge in popular vote and delegate, at least currently. It's a silly statement; for that matter, shouldn't John Edwards be the nominee if he is ahead in the popular vote? Shouldn't Barack Obama be the nominee if he is ahead in the popular vote?



Hil, you make me want to throw up. Get over it - you've lost Indiana. Get out of town, and please, please don't come back. Thank God the numbers are lining up against you. Do the math, hon. You're out of this race, so head the bus back to NY where you belong (I think?).  You certainly have no place in the midwest, where you are nearly universally detested for your lies and deceit.  Where, oh where are the tax returns?  Stalling again, are you?
RFK's children support Hillary! I count that as better than Ted's endorsement. Why don't we hear as much about that? Media bias???
The only comparison between Hillary Clinton and IU basketball is that Hillary's coach, Bill, often talks to superdelegates in the same uncontrolled, emotion, non-sensical fashion that Bobby Knight used to talk to referees... and players... and reporters.
Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA

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Paul, I will give you another comparison Hillary has zero intergrity and is real loser just like Kelvin Sampson was.
I agree that it's time to dial down the rhetoric from both camps.  Things will probably come to a head in this race sooner, rather than later, but the Democratic primary still isn't as nasty and combative as its being portrayed by the press.  As a New York State voter who feels that Senator Clinton usurped the Senate seat by carpetbagging, I still can't find anywhere near even a slight justification for casting my vote for John McCain.  At one time, I even admired him for his stands against the Republican party, but he's gone back on all that in order to win the nomination in a year in which the Republican field was cartoonishly bad.  Even though I'm contemplating going so far as to help the Obama campaign in the Pennsylvania primary, short of an obvious inside job that overrules the results of the primaries and caucuses, I still can't see how denying the Democratic candidate my vote, whoever he or she may turn out to be, helps this country move forward.
What's this idiot talking about: "he pointed to the support of RFK's "three most politically active children" for Hillary."  
I seem to remember Caroline Kennedy is backing Obama?
Did I imagine this?  anyone know?
Bill Clinton should be ashame of himself campaigning as if his wife is a male. Why the comparsion Bill very odd. Anyway I don't see why Jesse Jackson had to be a key figure here. For me Bill tell Hillary that if she want my vote now, she needs to get off her lazy butt and speak for herself and stop pimping you out to make stupid remarks and hope she can answer the phone at 3am.
I cannot wait to hear Hillary talk about her high school basketball experience!  I wonder if she was a forward or guard on the team?  I guess it really doesn't matter as it will be all in her imagination!

FYI: The Clintons have to know they'll get fact-checked on statements like this. No doubt  the former president knows the facts are on his side before he talks about a memory like this, but given the Bosnia incident, the press corps will trust but verify.)

Come on MSNBC, lets not just check this out as you did the embellished Bosnia story, chek the NAFTA story as well.
You guys know that she lied to the voters in Ohio and now she is doing it again in Pennsylvania.
Pls FACT CHECK this as well they are entitle to know.
Do the leg work I promise the Clintons won`t put you under the bus.............LOL!!
Then again maybe that`s what you are maybe afraid of.

Fact check the NAFTA story she`s been telling people that she was against.


Bill Clinton's constant use of the phrase "those folks who need a President" is both insulting and condescending. Every American needs and deserves to have a President who is looking out not only for their own party and the party's best interests, but for the nation as a whole. That is what has been sorely lacking during the last 20 years of Bush-Clinton extreme partisanship. His transparently feeble attempts to link Hillary to Bobby Kennedy are ludicrous. Bobby Kennedy was putting together a coalition of young voters, African-Americans, and blue-collar workers. Hillary only turned to average Americans out of desperation for her own political survival. Don't be fooled by this- the 20 wealthy donors who complained to the Superdelegates and threatened to cut off Democratic Party funding if they don't get their way is where her true loyalty lies.

Take back the party and the country- Obama 08'  
Jano, how can you so easily sweep decades of Hillary's misconduct under the rug? No, not everyone accumulates the baggage that she does in that regard -- look at some of her earliest work after law school related to Watergate -- against the law, unethical, self-serving. Look at it ---- if you dare to know the truth. If you think everyone is like that, you are either very cynical or you need some new friends.

If you are really concerned about whose hands this country is in, I dare you to research her role in the Watergate case.
With the Clintons behind, after taking for granted that they would have it won long before now, it may be somewhat understandable that they are distastefully aggressive and even illogically desperate. However, what they are demonstrating is a real insight into what they offer and what they would bring to the Presidency. We are just finishing eight years with one arrogant, obnoxious, dishonest, self-focused (without conscience does/says whatever they feel will benefit them), sociopathic personality and we sure don't need another one.
bigoldtexan - I heard that Clinton's staff members could not read the Iraq report because it was classified.  She voted to go to war because she was to busy to go read the info. Am I wrong?
I find it very interesting that the Governor of New Jersey Corzine can find the funds to help Hillary to finance her "re-election" in Michigan and is her profound supporter.  As a resident of New Jersey I resent this because Corzine wants to ditch our State Acricultural Department (we are the Garden State Mr Corzine and we raise money via Agritourisn - in case you didn't know Gov. Corzine) and now Mr. Corzine wants to close 8 state parks to "save" money.  BUT, he managed to find money for Hillary - isn't that interesting
There is lot of controversey about Hillary and Obama
and I am afraid if any one becomes president we will become more devided.  I being a dem. will vote for
Mccaine.  GOD BLESS AMERICA


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