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Delegate count: Good news, bad news

Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:04 AM by Domenico Montanaro

The latest New York Times/CBS poll is a half full/half empty kind of survey. On the face of it, the Obama folks should feel good that they still hold a narrow lead in the primary and lead McCain narrowly in the general. He also sports a high favorable rating. BUT... "Obama’s support among Democrats nationally has softened over the last month, particularly among men and upper-income voters, as voters have taken a slightly less positive view of him than they did after his burst of victories in February… Obama’s favorability rating among Democratic primary voters has dropped seven percentage points, to 62 percent, since the last Times/CBS News survey, in late February. While that figure is by any measure high, the decline came in a month during which he endured withering attacks from Mrs. Clinton and responded to reports that his former pastor had made politically inflammatory statements from his church’s pulpit in Chicago.”

“Still, the events of the last month do not appear to have fundamentally altered the race for the party’s nomination or provided what Mrs. Clinton’s campaign has been seeking: evidence of a collapse in Mr. Obama’s standing or an overwhelming preference voiced for Mrs. Clinton by Democratic voters in polls, developments that could be used to persuade uncommitted superdelegates to sign on with her."

The Clinton campaign is probably somewhat surprised to get a "Stay in it" op-ed from Dem strategist Bob Shrum. "She has very little chance of winning, but Hillary Clinton has no reason to get out of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination -- for now. A long shot isn’t the same as no chance at all. And an extended campaign doesn’t have to wound the nominee, assuming a measure of self-restraint on both sides. ... If instead she insists on protracting the race, calls in June for her to quit would be right in principle and right for the party. But we are not at that stage yet. Calls for her to concede now, before the race is lost, are premature."

Meet the super supers. “Some of those presidential superdelegates Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton are pursuing are more super than others,” the AP writes. “One delegate, one vote doesn't apply to them. These prominent Democrats can name additional superdelegates, giving them control over multiple convention votes, and that could be the difference in a race that may not be decided until the August convention.

“76 percent of respondents said America is ready for a black president -- and that number has grown from 62 percent in December as Barack Obama's candidacy has surged,” a survey by Opinion Research for CNN and Essence Magazine. “Whites were even more confident on the point, with 78 percent saying the country is ready, compared to 69 percent of African-Americans. Only 63 percent said America is ready for a woman as president, virtually unchanged from December.”
Director Rob Reiner, at Hillary Clinton’s Los Angeles fundraiser last night, told the crowd of 1,500 that when all the votes are counted, that Clinton will have more votes, NBC’s John Boxley says. Giving the audience a primer on the Electoral Map, Reiner said that the key will not be the big states or the little states, but the swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, etc -- states that the Dems must win in November. Clinton then told the enthusiastic crowd, "I believe that this country is worth fighting for and we need a fighter in the White House again." Other celebrities at the fundraisers included Ted Danson, his wife Mary Steenburgen, Fran Drescher, and former California Gov. Gray Davis. In all, the Clinton campaign says it raised almost $1 million at four events in Northern and Southern California.

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THE CLINTONS ARE PUTTING THE POPULAR VOTE IDEA OUT THERE TO JUSTIFY TURNING OBAMAS PLEDGED DELEGATE COUNT.MOVING THE GOAL POST ONCE AGAIN AND THE PRESS IS BUYING INTO IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER!
Edwards also declined to say if he would endorse Obama or Clinton. Thompson joked he would say who he was voting for if Edwards revealed his choice. He responded, “the only thing I know for sure is we’re not voting for the same guy.” After a long pause, he added, “or woman.”


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Get out Hill. You cant win..

Where are her TAXES??? Bills TAXES???

The rules are the rules. This is a delegate fight not whatever The Clintons make up.

Come on Chuck, Chris M and The rest. Time to get Clinton out
Despite Senator Clinton's assertion yesterday that there is no such thing as "pledged delegates" it still remains the most important measure.  And please correct Chris Matthews and colleagues who said several times yesterday that Obama's lead in pledged delegates is only one per cent.  It is in fact more than ten per cent.  "Do the math" folks!
Shrum is only echoing what a lot of us have said.  Stay in if you must, but keep it above board.

The Obama favorability numbers are old news...aren't they exactly the same as the WSJ/NBC poll released a few days ago.

Someone needs to tell the lunch pail Dems in PA that its OK to elect a black President as Rendell in PA says they aren't ready to do so.  Wonder what the polling would show there?
I always said it, the longer the American people get to know  more Obama, the less he will keep his advantage over Clinton.

The problem is that some people in the media has been presenting Obama as the GREAT, the big deal, by no going into his personal life, his background and a more deep investigation of the people who are supporting him.  Like they do with Clinton.

Another problem is that the AFRICAN Americans POPULATION HAS TURNED their support (like 95%) without knowing anything about him, only that he is black and good speaker, FOR GOD SAKE, IT DOESNT MAKE HIM A GOOD PRESIDENT.

IF the media start looking Obama and treating him like they do with Clinton, we will be singing different song.

So, Obama should thanks the media, specially MSNBC  for all those free campaign they have been doing for him 24/7.
I HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DONT GET FOOL LIKE THEY DID TWICE WITH BUSH.  IF NO, AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR LACK OF INTEREST IN TAKING SERIOUSLY THE ROLE OF A PRESIDENT.
"I believe that this country is worth fighting for and we need a fighter in the White House again."
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NO we DON'T. That is exactly why she is losing. The problem with the Washington isn't that our elected officials aren't fighting hard enough, it's that they are fighting in the first place! I'm NOT interested in a candidate who is determined to "take on" the Republicans, I'm interested in a candidate who is determined to "work with" them. You know, to actually GET STUFF DONE! BIG difference.

We've had too many "51%" presidencies where the American people aren't being served because of Washington gridlock. This is exactly what makes Hillary Clinton the WRONG candidate.
Figures don't lie, but liars figure.  HillBill are figuring like crazy (e.g. NAFTA, Peace in Ireland, etc.).

The Clintons figure they own the Democratic Party.  

The Clintons figure the steady drip of SuperDels are just a group of traitors and not an indication that people don't like liars.  

The Clintons figure Hillary making a joke out of lying (the Leno Show last night on Bosnia) makes it cute and less a lie.

The Clintons figure Bill is still a respected figure even after he lied UNDER OATH (Lewinsky).

The Clintons figure Obama can't win the election.  Guess what.  He can.  Figures don't lie.  

The Clintons are done in the Democratic Party.  With their ethics, they should join the Republican Party where I'm sure they will feel more at home.      
Given the class background of Barack compared to Hillary (multi millionair husband) and McCain (multi millionair wife) I think more blue collar voters, once they learn the histories such as Michelle's dad working tirelessly in a blue collar job to offer his kids a chance at an education, may see things differently. As a white female in my mid 50s I find it odd that so many blue collar women support Hillary. When her husbands many mistresses came forward over the years Wellsley educated and elitist Hillary dismissed them publicly as lower class bimbos until the evidence finally caught up with Bill. As a parent of school age children at the time of the Lewinsky scandal and similar allegations I found it difficult to explain things to my kids. Years later there are still teens acting out because they are influenced by "its not sex" if its not intercourse ala Bill. Ask any high school gudance counselor.
The Clinton's should stay in the race and TOTALLY destroy the democrtic party once andfor all!
Shrum and others HAVE to say she can stay in the race because Hillary has done a good job of getting voters emotional that their vote won't be heard to keep this going.  In Texas, some areas heavily Republican voted for Hillary.  A large amount of voters in North Carolina have switched to vote Democrat who normally vote Republican.  Hillary, Murtha and others are putting the focus on the popular vote.  The Republicans can help her win this because they prefer to run against her instead. Yet the SuperDelegates do nothing.  And the news channels seem to focus more on how much money Obama has raised.
We also were impressed with the number of new voters registering to vote. The younger voters wanted change. We got it...Gov. Jessie Ventura. Be careful what you wish for.
Linda, well said.

To me, the "fighter" thing is synonamous with acting like a stubborn 4-year-old. I want someone who can act like an adult.
Latino Chicago, I agree with you. No other group is supporting one candidate by more than 95%. Don't tell me that African Americans are not voting on race alone. Whites, Latinos, and all other groups are supporting all three candidates. African Ammericans have historically had low voter turn outs. Not this year, and not because of the issues. Its because they want a black president.
won't AA vite more then 90% of the time..they're the highest and moost reliable group the party..get your facts right..they vote 95% for John Kerry and 93% for bill clinton..thats goes to show how nuch you reakky know
Why are so many people freaking out about 90% of 15% of the population? There ARE NOT enough black people in America to elect Senator Obama president, so enough of the race baiting, geez!

P.S. Why on earth would people who haven't even had the right to vote for 50 years yet be excited to have an inspiring and well qualified candidate for President? Weird!
Zogby: Clinton needs huge PA win to stay in.

Pollster John Zogby tells Newsmax TV's Ashley Martella that Hillary Clinton has a very passionate base; therefore it's very difficult for her to quit. Yet he says if she doesn't score a big double-digit win in Pennsylvania, she may have to. Zogby says he knows there's a lot of Clinton campaign back-room arm-twisting of super-delegates going on. He also notes Clinton has been hurt more by the Bosnian sniper-fire lie than Barack Obama has by his racist pastor.
Brother Odd and Latino Chicago:

So,it's alright for woman to vote for Hillary just because she's a woman and that's acceptable? Tell me how that's any different? You two are getting as good as Hillary with your "spin" on things!
I believe the American people want real change. Hillary is too polarizing a figure to make this change for our country. Mr. Obama, however, is change! He will bring this country together because he does not polarize the general public.
I love that the headline of this post is completely from the OBAMA perspective.  Good news (that Obama is doing well) Bad news (that his support is softening).  I see you true colors shining through.  I see your true colors and that's why Obama loves you.  
" we need a fighter in Washington".....

Barack has shown he can take a one two punch, then jump up off the canvas, ready to rumble.

Bosnia, and the vendors, have Hillary still being counted out.

Pulling for Obama '08
Who thought of this crazy superdelegates thing anyway?  I know someone thought it was a good idea at the time, but it should be scraped after this election.  It's confusing even the experts.
I know it isn't popular to state this, but it really will hard for Obama to win the large states- if he is the nominee. Many Hillary supporters will vote McCain over Obama, due to the unpatriotic remarks made by Wright. Obama cannot beat McCain, in a general election, without the votes of Hillary supporters, so if Obama is the nominee, you might as well hand the Presidency to McCain. At the end of the day, patriotism trumps all--especially when electing our President. If Obama wants to win, he needs to start touting his patriotism allot more...and I do mean allot.
Ralph Nader just might pull it off - there are so many unhappy republicans due to the mccain nomination (most conservatives really hate him) and the democratic party is so split, I know lots of folks on both sides who say they will vote for Nadar in Nov., especially if he were to choose a good running mate - maybe it is time for the people in the US to choose what is really best fo this country, not what is best for our own back yards. A nadar/paul ticket would blow everybody else out of the water - still lost of paul support in the south (and the population in the south continues to grow despite the housing market collapse), and those folks will not vote for mccain.  Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama (thanks to the retorts of that youth/black vote on blogs like this one), and Obama supporters won't vote for Hillary - that leaves us with the first time in a long time that we may very well get an independent president.  Very interesting.
No doubt, it would be much better than what we have had the last 7 1/2 years.
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Sounds like Super Duper Delegates. What a total bunch of elitist hypocrites.
I will never undestimate the power of the Clinton's just as I have never underestimated the power of the Mafia. They are ruthless,shrewd,and evil. I just hope that there is no blookdshed when this is all over. If she steals the election, this 60 year old white woman will be at the convention rioting in the streets. I am mad as hell and do not want to hear them any more. As bad as Bush has been ,I would welcome him back to have to put up with another 4 years of them.
No need to worry, Obama Supporters.  Look at the cash he raises, mostly from new registered voters, or first time donors.  In my opinion, once a person donates they are with the Party, with the candidate, they will be there at the General Election.  The DNC knows this.  Look at registration numbers of new voters he has gotten, as well as cash coming in.  If the DNC and the Super-delegates are smart they will nominate Barrack sooner than later...and will have a larger Democratic Party then they started out with before the primary started.  But if they throw him under the bus, the DNC loses BIG TIME
Hey Hillary just stay and keep fighting, win, you'll see the democrats flee to the republicans, you can't win.
I hadn't thought much about it until now, but another thing about Obama that appeals to me is that he is kicking major booty without the support of many in the Hollywood liberal elite set.
I like Barak as much as anyone....but lets be realistic. Hillary is obviously the better choice. No way should she drop out. There are still more than 2 weeks until PA. The ones who want her out are the Obama supporters because they are worried. Hillary can beat McCain. She is vetted. Her knowledge of the economy and healthcare are far and above Obama's. Yes, she voted for the war. She got duped. It was easy to be against the war when you dont have to make decisions in Congress. Barak Obama will make a good President someday....right now Hillary can make the biggest difference and make us a great nation once again.
Brother Odd and Latino in CHicago...
YOu better believe if a Mexican was in it and could win it they would be turning out in droves. And I would not be mad at them for that. Of course black people want a black president just like a lot of women (mostly white) want a woman namely Hillary.
Identity politics is nothing new. People want to vote for a president that represents them. Black people of course see that in Obama. I also think and I am not speaking for all blacks just myself.....that Obama represents more equality in this country. Than the American dream can be realized for all of us regardless of race, ethnicity, creed, gender.  And that is just the superficial reason to vote for Obama let us not forget that he is brilliant, compassionate, very presidential in appearance and demeanor. He would be an excellent statesmen and the rest of the world would take him far more seriously than say Hillary or McCain. Noone is goona beleive Hillary about ending the war she helped to start it. No one is gonna help John Mccain keep it going for years to come.....
Many people will not vote for Obama simply b/c he is black or they will vote for McCain or Hillary not b/c their policies are better, but b/c they are white which is worse. And take into account that African americans only make up about 14% of the entire population. so even if every eligible black voter voted for him it still would not be enough to elect him. So if you wanna blame someone fo rhis being elected blame all the good white people out there that are voting for him....maybe b/c he is black????
The love affair with Obama is dissipating!!!

He's just a rock star, plain and simple.  

He had his day in the sun, now the sun is setting
Linda, well said.

To me, the "fighter" thing is synonamous with acting like a stubborn 4-year-old. I want someone who can act like an adult.
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To this statement: You want someone who can act like an adult?  So Obama is your adult--someone who is mentored by a pastor who preaches and incites blacks in his church with his rhetoric about how America invented aids to destroy blacks; how God Damn America, not God bless America; how blacks are oppressed by rich white folks; NEED I GO ON!!!
Obama supporters possess the same "hate" for Hillary that the Pastor Wright possesses for America!
Hate should not dictate your actions...try digging a little deeper and ask yourself why is Hillary fighting so hard to be president?  Maybe if you allow the "hate" to subside a little, you'll find it's because she does indeed love this country.  Don't hold her accountable for Bill's mistakes.  She is an individual who runs on her own merits!
Obama has filled his supporters with "fear", a fear that if you don't vote for him, you might be racial.  Don't fool yourself, he's using the race card big time.  His smooth verbage to state he does not agree with pastor wright...is an excuse.  Why didn't he come out before with this so-called great speech?  First he wasn't sitting in attendance, then yes he was.  An adult?  Yeah, sure...this is your choice.
I just don't understand how the Obama fans expect him to change the electoral map?  He won't turn one red state blue and McCain will put Michigan and Pennsylvania in play, some obama fans acutally think that he can win a southern state, that is the most laughable thing ever...
BobE,

right, because democrats have great ethics: killing the unborn, destroying the institution of family, appointing judges who LEGISLATE rather than rule, etc. It goes both ways, pal. Politicians in general have poor ethics. and we're dumb enough to elect them.
good luck with your man-crush on Obama.
God save America!
One last question brother odd. How many black people dp you know??? I just wanna know how accurate your polling was!!!
It now seems almost certain that the battle between Clinton ad Obama will end in May or early June at the latest, regardless of the Clintons wish to go to the convention.  And it seems very likely the nominee will be Barack Obama.  

For those who are still not sure about Obama, I respectfully recommend the following unbiased,  thoughtful and informative magazine articles for readers' perusal; they are available at  libraries, some are online:

Newsweek, March 31st:  cover edition: The Obama Dividend, and other articles.

Rolling Stone, March 20th: cover edition, several articles.

New York Review of Books: current (April 17th) edition has an article on the two would-be candidates entitled Molehill Politics, by Elizabeth Drew.

Atlantic Monthly, cover edition, December 07: Goodbye To All That: Why Obama Matters, by Andrew Sullivan (available on line) and other articles.
The Clinton plan is simply to make Obama look bad, maybe lose to McCain, and she will try again in 4 years. What a louse, liar, not a Party team member, and repulsice tactics. But .... I am enjoying the slow, week by week LOSS.
gee this news site and nbc, msnbc have been voted the most bias when it comes to obama, gee wonder why, i hope that when this is over that somehow we can get rid of your trash news reporting, you lie, you distort the fact's and who need's joker's like you guy's....long live fox news.
If the supers think the American People will vote for Hillary they are wrong. Hillary is leaving a bad legacy to the American people with her lies and disrespect for them. Supers wake up before you even attempt to let the Clinton persaude you to let her in the White House. We will be trading with 3world countries and using lobbyist to make trade deals and eventually take over everything. Remember the guy who resign from the White House, the Clinton's told him it was more money in being a lobbyist than working in the White House, so quest what he switched and now a lobbyist. If we want this country to back we definitly need Obama in the White House. HIllary is out to destroy this country and make it Clinton USA instead of United States of America.
Diane from Illinois
I never said it is ok, but when you look the % of women supporting Obama and CLinton it is a lot more balance than AA supporting Clitnon, lets face it, The AA made this race about color, nothing else.  SHAME ON THEM
Some of you say the rise of Black voter turn out in this election is because; Obama is Black.  Being a Black Man in Salt Lake City this is some what true.  However, I think that those of you that are thinking that way; are forgetting one important factor.  The reason why Black Americans are so motivated this time is because of Obama's appeal to White Americans.   You see Blacks have always wanted to communicate with Whites on a level playing field.   Obama weather you like him or not he levels that playing field so we all can communicate on a different but equal level.

He is half Black, and half White and a large number of White Americans like him.  So that allows alot of Blacks to come out in join with White people in supporting him, it makes it ok.  Believe me; if the majority of White people did like Obama, his support would not be as strong from Black Americans. All you have to do is look at history.  Know one has uplifted Black and White American hopes and dreams as Obama has done.
This is silly, African Americans support the Democrat in the General Election at a 90% rate over the Republican canidate, and I guess thats ok, as long as we are voting for a white canidate but if we are supporting one who is black we are racist, wow. No what is becomming very clear is alot of Blue collar democrats want our vote support for a white canidate but they don;t want our black canidate, that would make African Americans being pandered to for there vote. If the Black vote is good enough for you then the so should the Black canidate. All you have to do is log onto Hillarys racial website Hillaryis44.org to see the true politics of the Clintons she has a website where articles are written by people saying we wont have some muslim (reffering to Obama) as our president. They bash Obama and his supporters as if they where republicans and call for anyone who isn't pro Clinton to be replaced. If the Clintons steal this election as they are trying to lets see if she can win The general election without that 90% black vote the Dems usually get or all those energized Obama supporters. let us not forget her husband is a disbarred lawyer, impeached former president who lied under oath, they say they represent the working man but they have made some 50 mil since leaving the whitehouse what a joke.
Some of you say the rise of Black voter turn out in this election is because; Obama is Black.  Being a Black Man in Salt Lake City this is some what true.  However, I think that those of you that are thinking that way; are forgetting one important factor.  The reason why Black Americans are so motivated this time is because of Obama's appeal to White Americans.   You see Blacks have always wanted to communicate with Whites on a level playing field.   Obama weather you like him or not he levels that playing field so we all can communicate on a different but equal level.

He is half Black, and half White and a large number of White Americans like him.  So that allows alot of Blacks to come out in join with White people in supporting him, it makes it ok.  Believe me; if the majority of White people did like Obama, his support would not be as strong from Black Americans. All you have to do is look at history.  Know one has uplifted Black and White American hopes and dreams as Obama has done.
Their they go again. loudmouth Bill said a few days ago that Hilary & obama are only 1% apart in the poles when in actuallity they are 10% apart...you would think that a Rhodes scholar can do simple math.

Hilary and Bill are both liars and will throw anybody "to the dogs" that do not agree with them like they did with Gov. Richardson.

Get out now and go back under whatever rock you two came from.
How she will receive 65-75% of the superdelegates with the treatment B. Richardson is receiving is a strange strategy. Maybe she is failing the Commander and Chief contest called grace under fire. No pun intended!
If Hillary does win by some stroke of Obama misfortune, it will be tainted. Like the cheese Captain Blye stole on the bounty.
NO we DON'T. That is exactly why she is losing. The problem with the Washington isn't that our elected officials aren't fighting hard enough, it's that they are fighting in the first place! I'm NOT interested in a candidate who is determined to "take on" the Republicans, I'm interested in a candidate who is determined to "work with" them. You know, to actually GET STUFF DONE! BIG difference.
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Amen Linda....  amen!  Thank you!

Yes, it is right here in Linda's response to Hillary Clinton's claim to being a "fighter" that the answer lies.  It is critical that we move beyond this feeling of a need to take a fighting posture on every issue....  slowly, the cycle of bitter, partisan ideologically driven get nothing done politics CAN be broken.
I don"t understand the people in Ohio and Pa wanting to put the very people back in the White house again that took their jobs away in the first place. Sure times were good then,but now we are at war again probably for a very long time.It"s time to start looking ahead and not back, thats history.We had a lier there once, do we need that again? erbear
Someone said it right in one of the earlier comments - be careful - you might get what you wish for - and I hope that all the people (especially the media) that has PROMOTED Obama do not get disappointed with HOPE.  No whining and crying after the fact as did many many Bush supporters did and are still doing - just remember you are the ones that did it.

Can anyone tell me why Hillary is still in the race? Why would she think the rules of the suoerdelegates will be changed for her lying self?Set out and stay out...


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