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How Clinton story flap started

Posted: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:42 PM by Domenico Montanaro

Questions have been raised today as to whether Clinton has been embellishing a story about a pregnant Ohio woman who, Clinton said, died after being denied health care because of an owed hospital bill. Some of the details of the story have been disputed. But it seems Clinton’s version of the tale does not stray from how she was told the story by a local deputy sheriff. And, in at least one stop, where she retold the story, Clinton accurately attributed it. (We went back and checked the tape from April 4th in Grand Forks, N.D. while speaking at the state Democratic Convention.)

Clinton’s campaign says they tried to vet the story to no avail because of the confidentiality of medical records. "It's not always possible to fully vet, but we try,” spokesman Mo Elleithee told the AP. “For example, medical records are confidential. In this case, we tried but weren't able to fully vet the story."

Here’s how it all began:
From NBC’s Abby Livingston
It was just another campaign stop in the race for Ohio delegates. On Feb. 28, 2008, Clinton and her entourage of staffers and press corps crowded into the Holman home in Pomeroy, Ohio. It was there, in the living room that Clinton shared not just a couch but also policy concerns with Sheriff's Deputy Bryan Holman. Unprompted, he took a deep breath and said, "I'd like to tell you a story of a young woman I know that didn't have health insurance. She worked at a little pizza place around here, and she was pregnant and worked, of course, for minimum wage. She went to the hospital, and the hospital told her that she needed a $100 up front, which she didn't have."

He continued, "Of course, didn't make a lot of money. So they had billed her a couple times for it. And after getting pregnant she went back, like I say, went back again. They told her she needed $100, which she didn't have. And so they refused to see her because of-- she had a bill and stuff from being there before. So she went to another local hospital, and they'd seen her and stopped her labor and told her to come back in two days. Well, before she got back within those two days, her baby died."

Hillary grimaced.

"So they life-flighted her to a hospital in Columbus, and within 15 days, she died," Holman added. "And they come to find out that they'd misdiagnosed what the problem was. And it was a smaller hospital and didn't have the needs to take care of what she needed at that time. But-- her family and them think that if she'd had good insurance and stuff and was taken care of at the first hospital, of course, that had the medical needs to take care of her, that her and her baby would, you know, of course, they'd still be here. That's just, you know, I think that the health insurance thing really needs to be addressed and for people, you know, who work for minimum wage and different things."
After the story, Hilary said, "Well, you know, I hear so many stories like that. People without insurance are more likely to die than people with insurance."

And the seed was sown.

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Under the scenario described, that hospital would have had to provide her a medical screening exam and stabilizing treatment under the law known as COBRA/EMTALA, regardless of her ability to pay.  It would have been a major violation warranting government investigation and possible suspension from the Medicare program.  Someone from this supposed expert healthcare policy team should have known this basic healthcare law.  
Any one that thinks this kind of thing doesnt happen doesnt know anything about medicine. Hospital closeing right and left make it worse. People have been turned away from ER's a lot. I lost my nephew cause he was turned away and sent to hosp. that had his dr. He arrived at second hosp.DOA Dont act like you have all the ans to everything makes you look like you are mongers and scared. This was told to her by what we would take as a creditable source.Find something else to crusify her for cause you have no ground here.Dont look at Obamas speeches though about his being a prof.What about the questioneer he signed and wrote on to correct part of it. He said he wanted no guns period.His child would be punished by haveing a child??Wright?? He didnt know till caught?? He left how many advisors  go?It is beginning to be clear to more and more that he will say and do anything to win. He will not win Nov no matter what. His feet draging and blocking Fa. and Mi show he is scafed and will do anything.Pa/ Will bring Hillary and in a good amount.Vote Hillary in big Pa. You can do it.All the media has tried to rule this election and put Obama in. They have forcedfed him from beginning. It wont work. Guess what if somehow he steals it away they will turn on him in a heart beat cause they favor the Repubs, and you all fall in line with them over the party.
Who cares how it started...it was false and it's getting habitual.  Falsehoods are coming out of Silly Hillie's campaign faster than you can say NAFTA.  Poor judgement, bad management and double standards isn't something Americans need in the White House.  Earlier, I didn't think it was possible for McCain to beat either democrat.  Clinton's lies and mis speaking would almost certainly cause her to lose.
IN THE WORLD I LIVE IN THOSE STORIES ARE NOT ALL THAT UNCOMMON.  I'M QUITE SURE IF YOU LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD YOU ALL HAVE HEARD STORIES LIKE THAT THROUGH OUT YOUR LIVES.  THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET THE TREATMENT NECESSARY
TO HAVE AND MAINTAIN A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE.  MYSELF INCLUDED.  WITH MY HEALTH HISTORY I COULD NOT EVEN GET INSURANCE UNTIL I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO GET MEDCARE.
ONE MORE REASON I AM A DEMOCRAT.  EVEN THOUGH IF HILLARY IS NOT THE NOMINEE I MAY VOTE FOR McCAIN OR SIT THIS ONE OUT.  I KNOW HILLARY WILL GET US UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.  I KNOW BARACK HAS JUST BEEN PARROTING CLINTON TO GET TO BE THE NOMINEE.  THEN I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY HE WILL GO. I DON'T THINK WE KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM.  I KNOW I DON'T LIKE HIM.
I THINK HITTING THE WRONG BUTTONS SO MANY TIMES AND TRYING TO GET A VOTE CHANGED IS A PLOY AND VOTING PRESENT INSTEAD OF MAKING A DECISION IS A LAME WAY FOR A SENATOR TO ACT,
No one has mentioned how after 9/11 Hilary was saying that Chelsea was, I believe, very close to the towers when they collapsed and shortly afterwards we were told that Chelsea was in New York City at the time but was quite a distance from the towers - just makes you wonder what is and isn't real to Hillary?
Carol, Burlington, MA (Sent Monday, April 07, 2008 1:15 PM)
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This accusation has been repeatedly de-bunked.  It is practically an urban myth by now.  Chelsea was GETTING ready to run in the ares of the towers.

Leave this one alone.

It's 3 a.m. and your campaign is imploding.
What do you do?
* quick accuse Obama or his surrogates of some absurd, made up crime
* BOYCOTT OLYMPICS
* PRETEND TO FIRE YOU CHIEF STRATEGIST, BUT KEEP EVERYTHING ON HIS DESK, BECAUSE HE'LL RETURN LATER
* ACCUSE OBAMA AGAIN, IN CASE EVERYONE FORGETS
* CHALLENGE HIM TO A BOWL OFF
* SEND BILL OUT TO THREATEN SUPER DELEGATES
* ACCUSE MICHELLE OBAMA OF SOMETHING
* LIE ABOUT AN EARLIER LIE YOU WERE BUSTED ON
* PAY OFF THE MEDIA TO SUPPRESS THE STORY
* CLAIM YOU HAVE WON ALL THE STATES THAT MATTER
* CLAIM YOU WON THE ELECTORAL STATES
* BLAME OBAMA'S ENTIRE FAMILY OF SOMETHING
* LOOK FOR BILL, TO RESCUE YOU
* START CRYING
THAT WILL BE A BUSY 3 A.M. CALL, I AM EXHAUSTED JUST THINKING ABOUT IT
I just figured out why Hillary is stuck on that 3am phone call from the White House they must have already happen. Bill calling in at 3am "Hillary I am drunk and cant find my pants"  Hillary to Bill "your not with that young slut again are you?" Throw you pants on and get home and dont bring another lampshade please!!"
I cannot give a "pass" on this and, yes, it is her responsibility.  She used (at a minimum) triple hearsay.  It's nothing more than gossip at that point, yet, she's using it to reinforce a platform in a candidacy for President of the US.  That makes it very important that she be accurate and stand up to strict scrutiny with regard to her "facts."  This is not a student body she is running for, but rather to lead one of the most powerful nations on the globe.  That makes it imperitive that she be accurate and of sound judgment; a test she seemingly fails.  
If you saw the video the Sheriff brought up the story on a couch with Hillary. She repeated his story accurately. Anyone who knows about Medical Field understands that confidenately prevents her from vetting the story. Let's be real. She didnt lie like let's say, "My dad was flown her by JFK." Also, last week a third Obama adivsor shown he has no plan for Iraq.

Yet, in the campaign Obama has yet to propose an idea before hillary
This is just another example of the inept campaign that she has run.  Imagine how she would run the White House.  How horrible for our country.  Here's to hoping this is all over after Pennsylvania.  The race keeps getting tighter.....a few weeks left.  I think our guy can do it!  Go OBAMA!
Clinton doesn't have a clue when it comes to campaigning. She will continue to be clueless if she's elected. There was absolutely no reason to talk about snipers, when it would have been easy to check if there were archived videos. There was no reason to talk about an unvetted medical insurance malpractice when there are plenty of thoroughly documented cases floating around.

I hear all the time that Clinton is a smart woman. But she is also reckless and injudicious. How could we want a president like that?
On top of the Bosnia story, this story is reflective of a pattern of EMBELLISHMENT.  It makes it very hard for me to TRUST Mrs. Clinton.  

The Bosnia emvbellishment created DOUBT her foreign policy experience and ability to make decisions in that arena.  Now this story creates DOUBT about Mrs. Clinton's Health Care Integrity.  

Without INTEGRITY, a Presidential candidate loses public TRUST.  
Liar, Liar Pantsuit on Fire!!!!!  Hillary doesn't know the meaning of truth, nor does she care, as long as she can profit from it.
As an Obama supporter I have to give her a pass on this one as well. It's all the other things that I find more interesting .Bullets over Bosnia, Hey and the Little people in Northern Ireland Peace treaty. I think she has a bit of the Blarney stone in her mouth.S-Chip + HRC= Bull Snip,Her evacuating people of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina as told by Bill Clinton. There have been a series of statements that just come off unbelievable. This one Iwill say ok maybe and give the benefit of the doubt.
According to Obama apologists, the 2 campaigns should either violate HIPPA to vet a healthcare story or simply ignore the stories from millions of Americans with healthcare issues. Is that why the Obama healthcare plan leaves millions uninsurred?
Hillary = Nixon without the 5 o'clock shadow.
I AM SO CONFUSED... Did the hospital in question deny care to young mothers often? How could they possibly know that they did it (and didn't do it). Smells like a drive-by GE subsidary telling lies and disguising it as news. Shame on GE and MSNBC for it if they did!
Let's put the blame where its due. After all, this deputy sheriff was male, right?
SO when did OBAMA march with MLK?? When was Obama in bed with Renzo, how much did Renzo give Obama and Michele to buy that mansion??
Why does Michelle hate America?
Why do they go to church with the children and fill the little heads with hate?
This story would not be an issue if Hillary had not made up so many other story's to show her grit and compassion during her campaign. We now believe she is a compulsive liar, not a good trait for a President. Also, Mark Penn is STILL on Hillary's payroll as an 'advisor', another lie.
WOW - you all are upset about this?  THIS?  HRC begged Pres Clinton, and he listened to not follow though on his promise made to Elie Wiesel at the Holocaust Museum to stop the Holocaust in Bosnia.  Another 250,000 Bosnian Serbs died because she did not want to take focus off HER health care plan.  To make matters worse - the same plan she is pushing NOW, was proposed THEN by the senator from NC - and she rejected it out-of hand.  Her way or the highway.  So America hasn't addressed helath care for 18 years since.  But she says she's learned a lesson - REALLY?  Well everyone knows hers and BHO's plan is really close - but she belittles his plan and attacks him - how much has she learned?  Nothing.  She doesn't need to - Because the truth is Democrats - at least 48% of them are as stupid as the 30% of Republicans who still think GWB is doing a great job.  

Ohh most telling - she talks about how devasted and hurtr she was at not getting health care passed - I'm sure it was and has been tough for her.  For the country it's meant what?  Is narcissism worse than evil stupidity?  Its a trick question - there is another choice.

Obama 08
Strange thing is that hundreds of people line up to see her tell tall tales & deceive them but it doesn't matter one bit. Personally, I think it's selective cuturalalism. If you look and sound like me..you're right. IF they can relate culturally....they can easily dismiss Hillary actions as simply missteps, or play the reverse gender/race card.

Demonizing in accordance to preference...it makes you look well...like who you really are...ummm..dishonest with YOURSELF.



How can they not verify the story but the news reports can???????????????????????????????????
why dont you just change the name of your blog, to obama   , or we hate hillery,  what a joke this is, as if this jerk obama has never lied,  as if obama haas never told it wrong,  i. e.  rev. wright  etc,  his grandmother     etc.  you people make me sick, i haave read this page so manny times,  and its always the same,    give the lady a chance,      GO HILLERY
If Hillary can't even run her campaign how can we trust her to run the country. Bush blamed the CIA for WMD, and Hillary blames her staff for her making false statements.  Both of them are cut from the same cloth.
This woman cannot be trusted!!

Sheriff Deputy's story?
who is this Sheriff Deputy?
Did anyone bother to find this so called Sheriff Deputy?
Can they not find the guy that she supposely spoke on this?

I just think that this is a little wierd that you cannot vet this.
Just simply call the Sheriff office where yous said that this was all supposed to happen and let`s get to the bottom of this crap she dishing out.

This woman cannot be trusted to watch your child for an hour, the baby may up and dissappear and she just may tell you you didn`t ask me to watch him/her.

Go Obama '08
I used to work with a guy who made stuff up all the time - he was compulsive in his fervor to tell  completely fabricated stories, especially to potential customers. I think he thought it was harmless, as they were just stories he imagined. But he did it so he could maipulate people to his benefit, and some people actually got pissed when they figured out he was BS-ing them. No matter though he just kept on doing it.
Obama's father came to America because he received funding from the Kennedys.  Except the funding from the Kennedys for the program at issue didn't happen until more than a year after he arrived.

Obama's parents got together because of MLK's speech at Selma.  Except they were married long before MLK gave the speech.

Obama didn't know of Jeremiah Wrights anti-America and anti-white tirades.  Even though Wright was his spiritual mentor, Wright gave him the title for his book, Wright married him and his wife, Wright baptized both of his children, and Obama attended Wright's church for years.

Obama passed health care legislation while a state senator in Illinois.  Except that the legislation never became law.

And on and on.  You can ignore it all now, but the Repubs won't when the general starts.
Looks to me like all that Obama inspires is hatred of fellow democrats.
Not sure what is going on with the back and forth.  It seems the story is about a failed health care system where there were some issues.  Clinton's use of this story is to highlight the errors with the system.  No matter how it was told, it is still THE STORY, FAILED HEALTH CARE!  
I am supporting Obama, but Hillary should not be called out on this story.  
Hillary used this story as a general example.  She used no names or places to restrict this story to one incident. I worked in a hopital emergency room for more than 10 years and at the end of that time I left because I thought that my being there would make a small difference but the blatant attitudes, mistakes, harm, and lack of oversite could not be overlooked.  Even my letter to the editors of the local newspaper was returned to me stating that I was on the fringes of liable.  Local politics as usual as this was a county hospital.  I am amazed that persons, especially women, talk without knowing facts.  The unproved allegations about Hillary continue on these forums.  I thought these were the people who believe in backing a uniter not a divider, a person who cares about all people.  I guess it's because they are just like he is.  Fakes, empty words.  Not words (because they are important) but the empty words of Obama.  For those of you who cannot think for yourselves, listen to the words of the Hillary haters and the Obamaites, and let them choose your president.  I thought people cared more about their vote than that. And so that no one accuses me of falsehoods, I want to make it clear that I did not work in a Sarasota hospital.  I do not want to be accused of lying.
It sounds like Hillary wants to BLAME someone else for her lack of story verification.
***8
Terry in Great Plains: Is that like Obama signing his position questionnaire, turning it in and then later saying he didn't complete it, had never seen it, staffers did it. Even when he said he had never seen it, it has his hand-written notes on it.
If Hillary really believed this story, as opposed to just wanting to use a tragedy for her political purposes, why didn't she call for an investigation?  If this story were true, it likely involved some sort of violation of law.  But then it wasn't true.  Did she contact the local authorities?
Perhaps it must be ground into the noses of Democrats that Hillary will do ANYTHING to become President.
I have never "blogged" but someone needs to ask that MSNBC show both sides of this story. MSNBC shows different videos of Hillary repeating this story but doesn't show the video of the person telling Hillary the story. I know this to be true,as I just watched an MSNBC report. Earlier on Fox News I saw two videos thaet show both sides of this story. Although I can't say Fox is always "Fair & Balanced" as they claim, this is an example of bring fair & balanced. As a viewer of both networks I want the complete story.
Everyone should watch both network reports of this issue and decide which reports,"The Truth, The Whole Truth,& Nothing But The Truth,"as this is what I as a viewer deserve to hear.
wow... could this be HRC's "weapons of mass destruction" moment?  i mean, seriously, if she can't get her facts straight during a campaign, what makes us think she'll get it together as prez?  and don't get me started about the sniper fire... she seems really absent-minded lately... all this mispeak and what-not going on.  
yeah right!
she got the bosnia story from sinbad as well, she tried to vet it

i wonder how many times she says vet a day
Ironic, Hillary says Bush cherry picked intelligence reports and lied to go to war.... and here she is cherry picking and repeating gossip to validate her policy.

It seems to me, that a liar is a liar.
throwing the small town sheriff under the bus!
that's nice, hillary.
Not sure what is going on with the back and forth.  It seems the story is about a failed health care system where there were some issues.  Clinton's use of this story is to highlight the errors with the system.  No matter how it was told, it is still THE STORY, FAILED HEALTH CARE!  
I am supporting Obama, but Hillary should not be called out on this story.  
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Thank you Michelle Zee. As more is learned of this matter, it appears the woman did have health insurance but was denied care because she owed her portion of balance, after insurance.  Having worked in hospital, know that hospitals can deny care if somebody is not in a life-threatening situation. She didn't have the $100 to satisfy her bill before treatment and wasn't in what they felt was life-threatening situation. By the third visit and being taken by ambulance to the hospital when she was in a life-threatening situation, they didn't deny her then. But, it was too late. She and baby didn't survive.  You do have to keep in mind they're a lot of younger people on this blog who've never had to be responsible for themselves and don't know what "the real world" is like.
With just a little bit more eye makeup she could replace Tammy Fae. Her stories are tear jerkers and not proveable and she is getting some good practice right now.
Watch the instant replay the deputy was very convincing. The thing is no one ever mentioned the name of the patient or the name of the hospital. The newspapers didn't mention it either. The deputy spoke on worldwide television networks. Why didn't the hospital clear its name immediately and label the deputy a liar? Smells like a stunt by an Obama fan this late in the game.
OK Hillary campaign its time for the ad showing all the Obama lies, proven lies by Fact Check. Don't let him get away with it. The republican 527s certainly
won't. Think about it.
Sheriff Deputy's story?
who is this Sheriff Deputy?
Did anyone bother to find this so called Sheriff Deputy?
Can they not find the guy that she supposely spoke on this?
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Well, Bigoldtexan, if you had watched the news you could have seen him yourself. He sat on a sofa right beside Hilary and told the story to her!  Before you Obamatons so readily assume the worst, why don't you check it out?
If Hillary really believed this story, as opposed to just wanting to use a tragedy for her political purposes, why didn't she call for an investigation?  If this story were true, it likely involved some sort of violation of law.  But then it wasn't true.  Did she contact the local authorities?
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Jane in San Diego, why don't you ask YOUR candidate the same question. In one of the debates Barry shared a story he heard from a Army man regarding the lack of supplies and protection they had in Iraq. Now, in that debate, Barry really whacked Bush about those needs.  But, in reality, what did Barry do with the information  he had? NOTHING. Yet, he wants to say how he's helped the soldiers and veterans. He's a fake!
Hillary tell a lie what wrong with that. Didn't Bush tell us about weapons in Iraq. I think the Clinton's and the Bush's should get together and is what else they can lie about. Lets get a President that is for the USA and the people who work hard. With all the lies she told I think people would start think twice about who we want in office
Wright would not be her pastor? Apparently, she is less picky about cheating husbands.

Judgment...judgment

Where did you get Penn?

Judgment. . .Judgment

When is Hillary telling the truth?

The world may never know!
Hillary, it is called fact checking.  Look into it.  Maybe over 400 young americans would not have died in Iraq if you had heard of this proceedure.
And this is who we want answering the phone at 3:00 am.

You can not trust this womans judgement:

On NAFTA
On THE Iraqu War
On Her Campaign
On Her Campaign People (Penn)
On Her cry me a tear stories.

I'm  beginning to think Hillary is so fake!

Is her hair real?

Can I trust anything she say?

Hmmmm....makes  you say, "Hmmm...
OMG, they couldn't "vet" THAT?!!  That story has nothing but holes.  "She went to the hospital, and the hospital told her that she needed a $100 up front, which she didn't have [...] they had billed her a couple times for it. "

[What?  She didn't get seen, she didn't have the $100 up front, remember?]    

"went to another local hospital, and they'd seen her and stopped her labor "

[WHAT?!!  How/why did they stop her labor?!!]

"and told her to come back in two days. "

[Why would they tell her to come back in 2 days?!!  How would this help the greedy hospital to make money?]

"Well, before she got back within those two days, her baby died. So they life-flighted her to a hospital in Columbus, and within 15 days, she died.  And they come to find out that they'd misdiagnosed what the problem was. "

[They diagnosed something?!!  How?  What?  They haven't even seen her since she got pregnant - and that was only to "stop her labor"...]

Ok, if she bought that she's as dumb as GW...
Clinton will use every thing to demean, lies are wisked away like common conversation. There is a mental challenge and it will take a court order to rectify this problem. The people need to turn away while no damage has been done. Never will the people let this clown into the White House. To the Media, the Hollow and demeaning articles which have been written are like one who has opened the dumpster. Someone at msnbc close the lid.


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