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Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:03 AM by Domenico Montanaro

Wow, talk about your leaks. Apparently, an employee of Burson-Marsteller allowed a reporter for the Huffington Post to listen in on a conference call led by Mark Penn, who explained his new role with Clinton and with the company. “[H]e confirmed that while his title with the campaign had changed -- and his work load would undoubtedly decrease -- he still would play a direct advisory role for Clinton. ‘I think you've heard that I made the decision to step down as chief strategist of the Clinton campaign. Penn Schoen and Berland is going to continue to poll for it and I'll continue to play a role advising Senator Clinton and former President Clinton as well as the rest of the leadership of the campaign,’ he said.”

More: "Told that junior staff members were wondering why he would risk the appearance of a conflict of interest, the Burson CEO responded by saying the meeting was merely a ‘courtesy call,’ and indicated that he had held similar meetings before. ‘It's an interesting question,’ he said. ‘As I said, it was someone I worked for -- remember, we had the contract for a year before it was even about the free trade agreement, and periodically, maybe, I would have a check-in breakfast every six months. So it did not catch - it's interesting, because somebody working on the account was well versed in politics and it just didn't occur to anybody. I would have to say that it just didn't get flagged.’”

“Hillary Clinton's political guru may have been pushed from the top spot in her campaign, but he didn't land in the grave. Despite embarrassing the White House hopeful by consulting for the Colombian government on a U.S. trade agreement she opposes, Mark Penn remains ‘very much in the loop,’ a Clinton source said,” per the New York Daily News.

The New York Times looks at how things might change under new chief pollster, Geoff Garin. “Inside the Clinton team, Mr. Penn advocated increasingly sharp attacks on Mr. Obama as Mrs. Clinton’s best option. Long before he joined the campaign, Mr. Garin argued that her route to success lay more in presenting her strengths than in assailing her opponent. ‘The sweet spot a campaign needs to hit is the intersection between what makes the candidate special and what the voters feel they need,’ he explained, praising Mrs. Clinton’s values, spunk and resilience.”

Politico reports Glover Park Group -- whose partners have a lot of ties to Clinton -- has a contract with the Colombian government to push for the passage of the trade agreement. Of course, the firm's most prominent Clinton person, Howard Wolfson, took a leave from the firm to avoid conflicts just like this one.

Roger Simon wonders whether the drama of the Clinton campaign can be used against her with voters, who might think how she runs her campaign is how she'll run her White House. "And while she says she is ready from Day One to be president, she is at something like Day 430 into being a presidential candidate and her campaign seems to be going from bad to worse to train wreck. Mark Penn, who just got booted as her chief strategist, is only the latest problem in a campaign that has been heavy on drama and light on results.”

“‘None of these folks have ever run anything, other than Hillary running a health care task force,’ David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, told me Monday. “But these campaigns are big, complicated, pressure-filled enterprises, and it is an important proving ground.” The Obama campaign is going to tell voters it is proving itself every day. It says it had a calm and deliberate strategy that it has executed well: Win Iowa (I will write more about this in my next column) and then aggregate delegates."

The New York Daily News: “Powerful union bosses, including a key backer of Hillary Rodham Clinton, urged her to sack chief strategist Mark Penn just days before she axed him, it was revealed yesterday. Clinton backer Gerald McEntee, who heads the powerful AFSCME union of government workers, says he told her that Penn needed to go. ‘I talked to her on Saturday and asked her to do something about this Mark Penn fellow,’ he said.”

How happy are some members of the press corps that Bill Clinton stumped in Puerto Rico yesterday. The Post: “By arriving in Puerto Rico before Obama, the Clinton campaign hoped to solidify an already-strong advantage here. Clinton represents more Puerto Ricans as a senator from New York than any other stateside politician, and Spanish-speaking voters in Texas and California voted overwhelmingly for her. Obama's campaign, meanwhile, has yet to recover from the indictment last month of Gov. Anibal Acevedo Vilá, his most prominent Puerto Rican supporter."

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So basically nothing has changed.  This is such garbage.  Penn is still on her team.  I hope he goes down with the sinking ship.  
An analyst on Hardball last night suggested that Hillary is "tone death" to principles and conflict of opinions. This one sentence cuts to the heart of all things Clintons.

My question to Democrats is do we want business as usual for the next 4 or 8 years followed by business as usual when the Republicans take over again?
Hillary and Penn are running their campaign the way Dolan and Thomas run the Knicks.

Vote Obama.
Are you serious?

Is Hillary Clinton so out of touch that she doesn't realize the moral and ethical considerations leaving Penn in her campaign?

I just don't get it.

Obama 08!
The more things change the more they stay the same...

Good to know she's answering the call of the unions...OH, not really.  Yeah, he's fired.  No, no he's not he's just going to advise me more behind the scenes.

Wonderful.

What took Roger Simon so long :).  I have been making that argument for weeks.

BTW as an aside to Joe Scarborough, his linking Clinton's grit to Nixon and ultimately to what we've had for the last eight years (i.e., the keep getting up in the face of abject failure, i.e., not learning from your mistakes) is not what we want for the next eight years and is a big part of why I'm supporting Obama.

Women for Obama 08
Same lies, scandals, and embarrassments, different day.


HRC will never change.

She will ALWAYS be polarizing, she will CONTINUE to LIE, and she will try and do WHATEVER it takes, good or bad, to get back into the WHite House.

This is nothing new, as the Clintons have ALWAYS been this way, all the way back to Arkansas.

Just ask the people in Mena, Arkansas.

They know ALL about the Clintons.
So, it was all smoke and mirrors! Should have known better...WHO would pull Hillarys strings if Penn was gone? She needs her "PUPPET MASTER" to tell her WHERE she stands! She calls herself a "dem"? Laughable!
Mr. Garin argued that her route to success lay more in presenting her strengths than in assailing her opponent. ‘The sweet spot a campaign needs to hit is the intersection between what makes the candidate special and what the voters feel they need,’ he explained, praising Mrs. Clinton’s values, spunk and resilience.”

They could always bring up her record in the Senate...
If she had one.....

I understand some college lacrosse team in new York state might win the national title....
Another chance to up her resume in the Senate a little.
Why is it that none of the Media Outlets have called her out on this yet?  She has done several interviews since this has happened and yet she is getting a pass.

Is it true that the media wants to keep the race going until August so that they have something to write about?

This kind of things shouldn't be swept under the rug, it should be front and center to show how dishonest a candidate she really is.
Keep up the good work, Senator Clinton.  Drip, drip, drip.
So, how much of a change was there really?  None to the somewhat informed.  The title has changed, but beyond that the concern over conflict of interests is still there.  
Please check Hillary's record for Arkansas, she was on the board at Wal-Mart nad was against UNIONS, now in Pennsylvania she pretends she's for the underdog nad unions, such a liar..The people of Pennsylvania had better check her out. The video is on Utube, and she's speaking against unions....
How can she "be ready from day one" to run the White House if she has not been able or ready from day one to run her campaign?
They never said Mark Penn was "fired" from Hillary's campaign. They said he had "stepped aside". Big difference. He is STILL on the payroll and he is still advising her. She has even said that Mark Penn is "brilliant" and trusts the decisions he makes. (Sounds a lot like Karl Rove, doesn't it?) I hope the good people of PA are paying attention to this and know that as her campaign continues, her friend, Mark Penn, is negotiating with Columbia to get rid of even MORE American jobs overseas. I hope they tell her what they think at the polls!
What is most amazing is the fact that she still has any sort of lead in PA.  
Twice now Clinton gang has been linked to offshoring.  Nafta-gate that they then tried to blame on Obama and HRC was so out done and then this Colombia deal where again she says; Not me.
Colombia Prez Uribe spewed hate at BHO for being agains the agreement however nothing about HRC; I guess that is because she gave them the ole wink wink.
PA that giant sucking sound? HRC & Penn are making to case to steal not just your votes; they want your jobs too.
I would sincerely like for one Clinton supporter to rationalize this for me; Penn was found to be directly involved in a trade agreement that Clinton had publicly disagreed with, Clinton did the right thing and had him resign from her campaign, and now it comes out that he really hasn't been removed from her campaign and will instead be serving pretty much the same role as before under a different title.  

How is this not a dishonest move on the part of her campaign? Clearly he resigned for damage control, to ensure that his little scandal wouldn't hurt the Clinton campaign, but by keeping him on isn't Senator Clinton betraying the trust of those who have supported her?

How do you justify the fact that not only is one of Clinton's top advisers directly involved with a trade negotiation that she has claimed she doesn't support, but she has decided to "secretly" keep him involved in her campaign regardless of this supposed discrepancy on an issue that has been made an integral part of her bid for the Democratic nomination?

I'm not trying to call anybody out or throw egg in anyone's face, I simply want to understand how this issue is viewed from the other side.  
More of the same from Hillary .... not in command, disorganized, not a good leader, more lies, and more excuses. She should not be considered even in the top-25 of democrats that should be running for President. Her candidacy is an embarrassment to the Party. But she is greart at dodging bullets in Bosnia.
Did Penn know that the employee of Burson-Marsteller allowed the Huffington Post reporter to listen in on the Penn-conference call? This is important to the analysis (if Penn knew, was he is trying to restake territory lost within the campaign or perhaps doing an Et tu Brute to the Clinton's). In either case, it  marks a continued and unexpected unravelling of the Clinton campaign when they can least afford it...and continues to take the focus away from any weaknesses of Obama.
Hillary wants to be the 'first woman President', period. If she can't win with honesty and integrity, she will cheat and lie. I cannot imagine how anyone can continue to support her unless they refuse to acknowledge her past and present scandals. We have had a President and administration with the same ethics Hillary has demonstrated for the last 7 years, albet with Republic ideals instead of Democratic.
Nixon (as he was at the end of his Presidency) would have been very proud of Hillary. Darn if the two of them don't share the same moral values and integrity. The end justifies any means. As long as they are the ones benefitted. The rules only apply to the other guy. And with Hillary, the rules never apply to the girl. Only the guy.

Isn't she just an out and out embarassment? This is truly a sad time for America when a person such as Hillary is a remaining candidate for the Office of President. She supposedly is a Democrat and yet she actively supports and condones the movement of jobs out of the country at a time when we are desperate for jobs. The Republicans may be altruistic, but at least they want to create jobs. Hillary, what was your share of Penn's Colombian fee?
It's funny how what comes around goes around. Clinton hammered Obama for the Canada take on NAFTA, now Penn talked to the Columbians and is ousted. Funny how this process is making a mockery of our system and that HRC won't go away with some dignity intact. She is wrecking the party's chance of winning in November.
We will need to seat our patriotic friends from Fla and MI and split their votes. What a mess and a big potential for major rift in the party. IF HRC WAS READY TO LEAD FROM DAY ONE, how is it that HRC lost 27 out of 41 primaries. Take your ball and go home!
Senator Clinton is an experienced waffler -- legalistic -- and is proving herself over and over again how completely out of touch she is from real people who urgently need jobs.  Is Mark Penn in or out?  Does Senator Clinton listen to him?  I thnk she does and doing so will continue to be her undoing... All Senator Obama has to do is what he has always done -- be honest with the voters and keep his very smart and compassionate political team with him.  It sounds like they are telling him to tell the truth.  And guess what Senator Clinton and Mr. Mark Penn, this time the voters really want the truth.  Senator Clinton's continuing mistakes are making this race easier every day.
Mud, the media would of course love to keep this race going - just to have ready made 'news' handed to them. But it is more than that now - how many outlets have added special programming and introduced new shows??  They now need this to continue for more important reasons - money.  The cable news outlets are billing themselves as 'election headquarters' - for an election that will not be held until Nov.

This primary has become their replacement for Spears and Hilton et al.  and is just as shallow.
Very interesting - Notice no hillary supporters have commented at ALL on this article?  they are too busy not thinking.  hillary is such a hypocrite - she says she is against special interests and lobbyists and then she has a lobbyist CEO as her chief campaign strategist.  this is why most of obama's supporters are educated - because we think.  we see this and say, "gee, it makes no sense to vote for her" while hillary's uneducated masses don't get informed or ignore the facts they choose to ignore. the diversity in this country is amazing.
Hillarys claim to have been so relevent in Bills white house, logically translates to him being quite relevent in hers.I do not want the snake oil salesman running a town ,much less our government. The Clintons are politicians in the most negetive sense of the word.
I believe Clinton and Obama are too involved with the group of individuals that ran US into this mess. Mc.Cain is the best of the worst. He is old,was never greedy and has little to envy. Others are in desperate. Than scares me.
I believe Clinton and Obama are too involved with the group of individuals that ran US into this mess. Mc.Cain is the best of the worst. He is old,was never greedy and has little to envy. Others are in desperate. That scares me.
This is an even worse turn of events for Sen. Clinton.  After first making a big deal out of Penn's "conflict of interest", now she keeps him on anyway?  She would have been better off taking the more familiar stonewall approach and deny there was anything wrong to begin with.

So much for experience.
wOW!! Mr. Penn still getting paid by the blue-collar  donations given to Mrs. Clinton's campaign. What a spit on the face that must be...paying the guy who was trying to outsource your job. It seems Mr. Wolfson is on the same boat.
As usual nothing has changed so their expensive failing strategy continues i.e. "In Denial, Demonize anyone who supports Obama, win-at-any-cost, Kitchen Sink, Tanya Harding, Criticize the process, portray media as the enemy while claiming Fox as the most balanaced channel, keep changing the parameters or goals, shamelessly pad up resume, world owes it to them" strategy! How low you can go 'Billary'!
Mark Penn was paid $300,000 to get passed, through whatever means necessary, the free trade agreement. The Clintons were paid $15 million by the Saudis for.. um.. consulting.  The Clinton Library keeps donors of its $500 million .. um .. secret. This is just frightening.
Well, I can't speak for all Hillary supporters, but as for myself, I was too busy laughing after reading Obama's statement that he has more foreign policy experience than either McCain or Clinton because he vacationed in Pakistan for 3 weeks during college!  Talk about resume padding.  But I guess when you got as little as he does, you have to take what you can.
Heck, I think I should be head of the State Department because spent 2 years in Germany and have vacationed in 8 different countries on 5 different continents!
Oh c'mon. Bring to light that all political operatives and pollsters have clients on all sides of the issues. Be fair.
Aren't some on Obama's team associated as lobbyists with an Illinois Nuclear Company that Obama seemed to fight against but not really in a watered down Illinois state bill that left many Illinois environmentalists wondering whose side he was really on?
Why don't you please also report on that...
Olberman hit it out of the park last night with regard to HRC, her judgement, and the people she chooses to retain on her campaign. Truth Decay was what he called it.

I also shudder at how so many people think they would be voting for Hillary when it is actually Bill who is vying to be president on the downlow. When the media starts explaining Penn's presence like a joint decision to be made by both the Clintons and that supposedly he is the one who "pressured" Hillary into keeping Penn on the team, it lets me see that her promise to keep Bill in check are a joke. This is HER campagin and if she'd actually run it like a woman of true power, substance and competency she may have very well have wrapped this thing up back on Feb. 5th instead of acting like Obama did something to her other than run a good campaign lumps,bumps and all.
If the media can use "Nepal" and "India" police arresting protestors' photo to indicate the Chinese government's wrong doing, they can do anything.
It is very sad to see there are some journalists out there do not have any moral.
Like Nixon is a fair comparison. Hillary even makes her speeches like Nixon. Remember his little dog fireside speech when he uses the "and you know" clause over and over as "and you know, we are going to keep the little dog". Now recall or re-listen to Hillary's speeches when she uses the same clause again and again when she wants to invoke your sympathy and demostrate what a soft heart she has for the those poor souls who just can't make it without her help as president.


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