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Another McCain Shiite-Sunni gaffe?

Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:17 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum and Mark Murray
You be the judge: Did McCain once again confuse Shiites and Sunnis when talking about Al Qaeda in Iraq (a Sunni group) at today's Senate Armed Services Committee hearing?

VIDEO: Watch this exchange between Sen. John McCain and Gen. David Petraeus, in which the presidential hopeful mistakenly identifies Al Qaeda as a Shiite group.

Here's the transcript...
McCain: There are numerous threats to security in Iraq and the future of Iraq. Do you still view Al Qaeda in Iraq as a major threat?
Petraeus: It is still a major threat, though it is certainly not as major a threat as it was say 15 months ago.
McCain: Certainly not an obscure sect of the Shiites overall?
Petraeus: No, no sir.
McCain: Or Sunnis or anybody else then? Al Qaeda continues to try to assert themselves in Mosul, is that correct?
Petraeus: It is senator, as you saw on the chart. The area of operation of Al Qaeda has been greatly reduced in terms of controlling areas they controlled as little as a year and a half ago.

*** UPDATE *** McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds responds: “In the course of having a serious dialogue with our military leadership in Iraq about how Americans can formulate success going forward, John McCain stumbled on his words and corrected them immediately. Leave it to Barack Obama, who voted against funding our troops in combat after saying it would be irresponsible to make that vote, to try and find some wiggle room on an issue he has very little credibility with.”

*** UPDATE II *** DNC chairman Howard Dean weighs in with this statement: "As John McCain continues to get the basic facts on the ground in Iraq wrong, he makes it clear to the American people that he will continue the open-ended commitment to fighting President Bush's war in Iraq. One hundred years in Iraq is not a plan. We all honor the service and sacrifices of our brave troops and their families, who have done everything that has been asked of them every step of the way. Honoring their service means bringing this war to a responsible end, and the only way to do that is to elect a Democratic president in November."

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If we put all the emotion aside and think about it realistic and only based upon policy and what McCains says; he really is a war monger. Unfortunate, but true... The dictionary describes a warmonger as a person who "advocates, endorses, or tries to precipitate war". Thats McCain for you... and Bush always was. This puts Osama, bush and McCain in the same league.  
 Hey how come no big deal about Sen. Jay Rockefeller's disgraceful comments about John McCain calling McCain some kind of person who gets his jollies in the wars he fights in.  Rockefeller I might add is a very strong Obama supporter, as is radio commentator Ed Schulz who a few weeks ago called McCain a "war-monger".  Oh yes we always get the perfunctory Obama camp apology.  That's like closing the barn door after the cows get out.  I was thinking that there was something very familiar about these type of smear tactics. Oh yes I seem to remember one George Bush using these same type of tactics against Sen. McCain in the South Carolina primary in 2000.  Obama, this is the candidate of change, one who is going to bring all factions of the country together.  Yea, right.  He's nothing more than a wolf in sheeps clothing, a slick snake-oil salesman who talks a good game, but still practices the same old politics of "cut and slash".  You never hear this type of news on MSNBC, and I would be very surprised if they print this, being as pro-Obama as they are.  Wake up America before it's too late.  I am a lifelong Democrat who is proud to say "Go Hillary".      
No disrespect to McCain, but I can't help thinking how much he and his wife remind me of Popeye and OliveOil.  Popeye, if I remember correctly, could never stop putting his foot in his own mouth!  On occasion tho he'd wipe up the floor with Brutus and the two of them would destroy everything else in their path during the fight... hmmm could I be thinkin Iran and the entire Mid-East!  
It's not so much that McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia, it's that he just doesn't care. His foreign policy strategy seems to be "bomb 'em all and let God sort 'em out" just exactly like Bush's.
Since McCain repeatedly does this how can you call it a gaffe? He can't remember what's what-and he wants to run the county? You want this man to have the responsbility for nuclear weapons? Will he get the countries mixed up there, too and bomb the wrong one?
I am very concerned that some are even considering someone whom I think has mental problems and the republians are giving him a pass becuase he is all they could piece together. All due respect, I am an ex soldier too, that does though, not make me qualifed. I think he is shell shocked. Trouble.
I guess he needed Lieberman at his side to correct him . . . AGAIN.

And this is the guy that some die-hard Clinton and Obama supporters say they'll vote for if their candidate doesn't get the Democratic nomination????  That's scary.

God help us all!!!  Does he have PTSD or beginning stages of Alzheimers? I am not making fun, but he is 70 years old. That should be a serious consideration.
Why did McCain's people attack Obama? What does McCain's confusion have to do with Obama?
Clinton is again up by +18 in the latest SurveyUSA poll, the poll that accurately predicted the outcome in California...

Clinton again up by +18 in Pennsylvania? Hmmmmm.....
Umm ... did "Barack Obama" come into the picture? Maybe the McCain team needs to put out another update !! Maybe they think First Read is a campaign arm of Obama !!
'...Finally, Renzi, a former college linebacker, rose from his chair and said to McCain, "You call me that one more time and I'll kick your old ass." McCain lunged at Renzi, punches were thrown, and the two had to be physically separated...'

What gravitas ...
What dignity...

'...McCain once "scuffled" with the Senate's then oldest member, Strom Thurmond, during a Senate Armed Service Committee hearing in January 1995...'

McCain/McAbel '08
They're the REAL fighters


'...Sam Stein
The Huffington Post

New Book: McCain Once Physically Attacked Fellow Congressman
 
Appearing on Fox News this past Sunday, Sen. John McCain attempted to turn his infamously combustible temper from an electoral liability into political strength.

"If I lose my capacity for anger, then I shouldn't be president of the United States," the Senator explained to host Chris Wallace. "When I see the waste and corruption in Washington, I get angry."

But how much of McCain's legendary anger streak does the public actually know? Judging from snippets of Cliff Schecter's new book "The Real McCain" - an advanced copy of which was obtained by the Huffington Post - the answer may be surprisingly little.

Take for instance the verbal-turned-physical attack McCain put on his fellow Arizona Republican, Rick Renzi, which Schecter uncovered through his research:

Perhaps the most remarkable story of McCain's temper involved Arizona Congressman Rick Renzi. Two former reporters covering McCain, one who witnessed the following events and one who confirmed the facts provided by the first, relayed it to me as follows: In 2006, the Arizona Republican congressional delegation had a strategy meeting. McCain repeatedly addressed two new members, congressmen Trent Franks and Rick Renzi, as 'boy.' Finally, Renzi, a former college linebacker, rose from his chair and said to McCain, "You call me that one more time and I'll kick your old ass." McCain lunged at Renzi, punches were thrown, and the two had to be physically separated. After they went to their separate offices, McCain called Renzi and demanded an apology. Renzi refused. Apparently this posture made McCain admire him, as they became fast friends.

Anecdotes like these would stand out as highly abnormal if it weren't for McCain's history of similarly explosive behavior. As Washingtonian magazine documented (and Schecter notes in the book), McCain once "scuffled" with the Senate's then oldest member, Strom Thurmond, during a Senate Armed Service Committee hearing in January 1995. Three years later, the Associated Press article reported that McCain dropped F-Bombs on at least three fellow Republicans.

"I'm calling you a f------ jerk!" he once retorted to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley.

And in a opinion piece last year on Salon.com, Sidney Blumenthal, now an adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton, wrote that McCain once told Sen. Ted Kennedy to "shut up" on the Senate Floor, referred to a fellow Republican as a "shit head" and offered a downright vicious and doubly-offensive joke in 1998 Republican fundraiser about then first daughter Chelsea Clinton.

"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly?" he asked. "Because Janet Reno is her father."

On Monday, moreover, the website Raw Story obtained a separate anecdote from Schecter's book, in which McCain berated his wife in the full view of aides and reporters during a 1992 campaign stop.

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days....'
It's the Double Talk Express!  Coming soon to a fundraising event near you!
This is getting ridiculous.  John McCain the Naval Aviator deserves all of our country's thanks for his bravery and sacrifice 30 years ago.  That in no way means we owe him the Presidency and for a man who's main calling card is Iraq to continually get this wrong is past embarrassing--it should disqualify him from the job.  If somebody interviewing for a job as a waitress or waiter said they were experienced and then proceeded to confuse the concepts of "wages" and "tips," any manager in his or her right mind would never hire that applicant.
So much for MCain expertise and clarity of mind! MCain is a war hero, there is no denying that, but that is not the only qualifying requisite to be president! Besides a 72 year old person would have a hard time getting hired for any job, let alone the most important and high stress in the world " THE US PRESIDENCY"!
Mark,

I don't see any mention of Obama in the post at all except for in McCains response.  Why are they saying that Obama had anything do do with this?  Did he?  
If not maybe you can mention that.
What the context shows, I think, is that yanking that sound bite out of context isn’t really all that unfair. McCain's wants to stay in Iraq until no more Americans are getting killed, no matter how long it takes and how many Americans get killed achieving that goal—that is, the goal of not getting any more Americans killed. And once that goal is achieved, we'll stay.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph!  McCain has built his whole campaign around his 'experience and knowledge' of foreign affairs, but he doesn't know the difference between Al-Quaida and extremists?  He keeps 'mis-speaking', Irag, Iran, Shia, Shiites, Sunnis, he doesn't know the difference...he is totally clueless...Is this who we want to have control over the 'nuke-em' button?
Plain as daylight, there's a CIVIL WAR going on in Iraq, but McCain and the Bushies just won't admit it. Why are we meddling in Iraq's CiVil Wars? Surely, it's not up to us to be involved with any of the sect's determination to exterminate another sect?

McCain keeps repeating his lies that we've gotta keep our Troops in Iraq to deafeat the al-Quedas. If he's so anxious for us to defeat the al-Qaedas, won't common sense tell him that the al-Qaedas are aplenty in the Pakistan-Afghanistan borders? How many trips has he made to Afghanistan vs. Iraq, if he's really so concerned that the al-Qaedas would come after us?
Later in the day, Obama confused Iraq and Iran during hearings.  Why is that not featured on MSNBC's web site?  This misspeaking thing is apparantly contagious, only it is not reported on equally by the media.
Hmmm, I believe the popular saying during the Vietnam was "Kill them all and let God sort them out"

That saying came from the crusades.
but back then it was kill them all God will know his own.
Just a interesting point of history
McCain is not mis-speaking. He wants everyone to accept his connection of alquaeda in Iraq and Iran's influence so he can drum up support for invading Iran. This is the extention that Bush didn't have time to do.If McCain gets elected, we will invade Iran.
How he keep making mistakes and  the war suppose to be his strongest area .
Stumbling over words or not, McCain is the only qualified person to lead this country.
You liberals are so snowed by the "community activist" from Chicago...Mr. "I will pull out the troops day one" to lets leave 30,000...or let's have a strike force. That is one smooth talker
And Obama know the difference between all the Muslim groups, because he was ONE! Guess thats what he learned a the Madrasa in Indonesia...all hail the Manchurian Candidate!
I am 58 white female, I support Senator Obama. That said, whats the big deal if he did say Shiite instead of Sunni or the other way around? These are not every day American words and they are not the religions that we are use to living with. These are not the words we need to be worried about. We need to be worried about the POINT he was making.

A New America (Sent Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:34 PM)
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The problem is... if you are running for President of the United States, you should know who we are fighting or who is shooting our soldiers.  I like how they say McCain quickly corrected himself when he didn't.  First he tried to relate Al Qaeda to Shi'a, but then he said they aren't some obscure sect of Sunni either...... Ummmm... yes they are an obscure sect of Sunni.  He got it wrong twice in his comments, but once again the media is giving him a pass.
Did Obama publicize or make remarks concerning this 'slip'?  Why is McCain's camp calling out Obama?

Trav Baker, Spokane, WA (Sent Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:56 PM)
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And Obama's comment was an obvious mistake.  Of course he knows the difference between Iraq and Iran.  McCain doesn't seem to know who we are fighting.
Yes, so we can see a Bush third term. Like McCain, Condi also says that we are seeing more wars to come. Like McCain, Condi also signaled OK to go for Iran war. By this definition why not any one can say that the McCain is war a monger. What else McCain is talking about other than more wars, Wars and wars.
McCain has no plan to fix the economy; he does not want to extend the health care plan to the public. He can enjoy the federal health plan for himself but when general public wants it then it becomes a liability for the Government according to McCain.
McCain does not know what he is talking about. One day he says he knows very little about economy and few months later he said he is a master on economics.
Once he says that Al-Sadr has no influence on Iraq but now he saying that we are facing battle in Iraq because of Al-Sadr’s stronghold.
Once he said there is no difference between Shia and Sunni and Iran is aiding the Al Qaida. He does not know what he is talking about. May be it just the age but it scares us the hell out of it. And also do not forget his temper.
And I did not think it was possible to have yet another mental midget, like we one we have in there now, running for the White House.  How sad that I was wrong.


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