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Clinton: The management thing

Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:15 AM by Mark Murray
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At her event with veterans this morning outside Pittsburgh, Clinton will focus on military readiness, NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones reports. Clinton will also make the point that she is the one that Americans can count on to end the war in Iraq. She will say that McCain proved at the hearings yesterday that he is not prepared to end the war and she will reiterate that while Obama has said he would withdraw troops within 16 months, a (now former) foreign policy adviser has said that plan could change.

Is it fair to extrapolate what kind of West Wing Clinton and Obama will run based on the campaigns they've run so far? If so, then Politico has a piece that shows why this isn't a measurement the Clinton campaign wants to have used. “Clinton has overseen two major staff shake-ups in two months. She has left a trail of unpaid bills and unhappy vendors and had to loan her own campaign $5 million to keep it afloat in January. Her campaign badly underestimated her main adversary, Barack Obama, miscalculated the importance of organizing caucus states and was caught flat-footed after failing to lock up the nomination on Super Tuesday.”

“It would be easy to dismiss all of this as fairly conventional political stumbling — if she hadn’t made her supreme readiness and managerial competence the central issue of her presidential campaign."

Bloomberg News has more on the Penn fallout. Some key quotes: Carville pooh-poohs the idea that Penn is still running things: “Geoff Garin is someone I've known for 30 years,'' [he] said… “If they think they're going to let him be used in some bait-and-switch campaign, they're mistaken.''

So what's Penn's role? Again, it may not be as little as having NO INFLUENCE, but it's not as much as the Obama campaign is trying to make folks believe.

The Clinton campaign acknowledges that Bill Clinton supports the Colombia free trade deal, while Hillary does not.

The New York Daily News adds, “Bill Clinton voiced ‘support’ for a controversial Colombia free- trade pact that his wife has fiercely opposed -- and he accepted $800,000 in speaking fees from a group boosting the agreement, it was revealed yesterday.”

The AP: “[T]here is one subject [Chelsea Clinton] will not discuss -- ‘The Other Woman.’ At least three times in the past two weeks, the former and possible future first daughter has been asked about the Monica Lewinsky scandal's influence on the presidential campaign of her mother, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. The answer has evolved each time.”

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Is Barack Obama capable of, and would we want him commanding the most powerful military in the world?
Answers; NO, and NO.
Now, I understand this post is going to upset some Obama-Rama-Ding-Dongs.
But, it IS the TRUTH and as we all know.....
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Yeah she's incompetent, we know that by the fact that she can not see the cause and effect between outsourcing and job loss. I've been saying for months that the woman is a dunce. When will people figure out that being a politician or a lawyer is nothing more then having the time, money, and connections to go to law school or get elected.
The Truth Hurts,

Or do we want HRC commanding the most powerful military in the world?  The same HRC that is unable to organize her own campaign.

The truth does hurt.
As evidenced by her campaign, Hillary is not a good manager.  She underestimated her chief adversary - Obama - and ran her campaign accordingly.  She thought little of the "smaller" states, focusing instead on the "big" states - as if the "small" states aren't part of America too.  This myopia an inability to be innovative is not the kind of president we need right now to solve the multifaceted problems the American people face today.  The problem with Clinton is that she's grounded in the old way of thinking about solving problems.  
Who has the temperment to be Commander in Chief?  While I admire Clinton and McCain, both have shown some concerning extremes of emotion.

Obama is solid.  And I am solidly an Obamama.
The TRUTH is that Obama has run a brilliant, extremely well organized campaign, while Hillary's has been plagued with internal problems. These are the largest organizations either candidate has run and are very good indicators.
Truth hurts,

I am sure you voted Neocon the last two elections, so the fact that you probably believe that Bush and Co. had the experience, knowledge, and wisdom to lead our military.  And you probably think they are still doing one heck of a job.  

Obama has what this country needs to be a great leader.  He has all of the qualities missing from dubya, and many absent from the Clintons.
Is Hillary Clinton capable of, and would we want her commanding the most powerful military in the world?
Answers: NO, and NO.
Now, I understand this post is going to upset some Hilla-Billa-Gorillas.
But, it IS the TRUTH and as we all know... those two lefts don't make damn bit of sense...
She is a rambling nonsense. She badly mismanages her campaign and only takes away Penn's official title but lets him remain an overpaid strategist thinks she'd be a better commander in chief and better be able to manage our domestic affairs. She is such a fraud unless she takes stronger action against Penn for his dumb actions. Otherwise, she'd be a hypocritical and ineffective leader and create even more mess in Iraq she initially helped create the current mess.
Campaign Mismanagement - More UNPAID Bills

If you judge a candidate by how their campaigns' are run then Hillary's is the worst candidate still in the race.

They STILL are not paying their bills. UC Davis in California is about ready to send their unpaid Clinton bills to a collection agency. Link here: LINK. We here that small businesses are being left holding the bag with her unpaid bills and now most businesses will only work for them when paid up front.

What is worse in that they could put serious "skin in the game" because they are filthy RICH... $109,000,000 rich that is. So instead of asking little old ladies to send them $25 donations to pay their bills, the Clintons should pony up the cash to take care of their debts.

Money aside, look at all the in-fighting and the complete lack of leadership Hillary has shown in her campaign strategy. No caucus strategy, having to bring in Maggie Williams, the "fake" firing of Mark Penn (does this guy have compromising photos?), the outright lying, and the worst of all sins... saying that McCain would be better then Obama (BTW - this last point is what took my wife out of the Clinton camp and into the Obama one).

Is this the type of leadership you want in the White House?

YIKES... Clinton supporters represent the definition of blind faith, I just do not get it.

http://laststopmidwest.blogspot.com
Mrs. Bush in 2016, Chelsea Clinton in 2024! Keep the Dynasty alive! wooooo!

LOL
Apt analogy:
Maybe FristRead should learn how to spell their own  headlines before we as readers are able to fathom that FirstRead can MANAGE to give us the political news of the day!
m-a-n-a-g-E-m-e-n-t.

Has msnbc had a chance to go through Barack Obama's 11,000 pages of documented service to his nation?

Oh, that's right.
Who needs experience when you have hope, right?
If only Hillary would have taking charge of her campaign. Instead she let's her advisers and managers decide everything.

Hillary needed to take a leadership role.
Not paying bills for several months only adds to the job loss fears.
Is Hillary Clinton capable of, and would we want her commanding the most powerful military in the world?
Answers; NO, and NO.
Now, I understand this post is going to upset some Hillary-Dillary-Dos.
But, it IS the TRUTH and as we all know.....



No facts...Mocking these silly posts is too easy.
It's funny how Bill is still working for Hill...
If Hill had any real sense of reality...James, Mark, and Bill should have been put out of her campaign months ago... That's " Croony Management", screw the little guy, take in millions of dollars, Lie to justify the stupid and say anything to cover up
what's good for ME!!!!
but I guess she believes the race is still that close....go for that popular vote!!?
"The TRUTH Hurts" fails to consider the facts...

Obama is the only candidate to correctly stand against the Iraq War from the very beginning.  He didn't run along with the crowd.  Do we want a commander-in-chief that relishes group-think and powderkeg politics?  Absolutely not.  Thankfully, Obama is the only candidate with proven judgment.

If Hillary tries to run the military how she ran her campaign, God help us all.
Truth Hurts, who is this "we" you refer to. Try speaking for yourself.  It's not too difficult.  

Obama '08
Sticks and stones.... Oh hurting one
George W Bush ran an excellent campaign, twice, so by your logic, that means he was an excellent president?
Only a HRC supporter calling himself Truth Hurts could postulate Barack Obama's inability to lead after reading a post that illuminates the Clinton campaign failures.  Sen. Clinton hasn't even spoke to this publicly.  I understand she's had numerous scandals to defend herself against/ that or make jokes of them, but I feel the country is seeing exactly what sort of mess the country would be in if they elect another unaccountable president.  Sen. Clinon has passed the buck in this contest so often you can guess who will be to blame when her train finally collides with reality.
I though Senator Obama did well in the hearings yesterday and he was the ONLY candidate to even suggest that we also be talking to Iran. Iraq will not and cannot be a stable country without the cooperation of Iran. Is THAT in anyone's plans, including the current Administration? No. Obama has the ability to think "outside" of the box and That is what I'd like to see in a Commander-In-Chief.
i have seen this before Obama Rama Ding Dong..on one of the most anti Obama site. Taylor Marsh the so called democrat that searches for every piece of anti Obama crap and the comments are sometimes really racist...she is not a democrat.
Hillary Clinton is more two faced than the poor girl born in India recently.

Anyone who doesn't believe that as soon as she gains power won't completely flip and do whatever she wants, which would be to sell out this country to gain favor, power, and money, is a fool.

Open your eyes and look at their records, to think they won't do it again is just sheer ignorance of history.
We can't afford to have Obama as president. He is not capable. Its time for a woman president. Women rule!!
Just like the LADY VOLS!!!
It now seems almost certain that the Clinton/Obama battle will end in May or early June at the latest, regardless of the Clintons' insistence on going all the way to the convention.  And it appears very likely, indeed, that the nominee will be Barack Obama.

For those who are still not sure about Obama and are open minded enough to learn more, I respectfully recommend the following informative magazine articles for readers' perusal; they are online and in libraries.

Newsweek, March 31st: cover story, "When Barry Became Barack", also "The Obama Dividend", other articles.

Rolling Stone, March 20th: cover story, several articles.

New York Review of Books, current (April 17th) issue has an article on the two Democratic candidates entitled "Molehill Politics", by Elizabeth Drew.

Atlantic Monthly, December issue:  cover story, "Goodbye To All That: Why Obama Matters", and other articles.
Bush and Betrayus have all the candidates so bewildered and bamboozled that I've begun to think Bush has left them with aproblem NONE of them will actually try to solve...remember, the Dem congress was gonna bring our kids home, too. But Bush (or his brain-trust) has left things such that no one will be able to beat a hasty retreat and let the Iraqis fight (now HERE'S a concept) for themselves and their own country.
I've never given any money to any campaign until this year.  I sat on the fence for the past year and watched the candidates.  I actually used to like Hillary back when she was a first lady.  But this '08, behaviors, issues, etc., have shaken out and put me over to the Obama side!  This is the first campaign I've even given money to.  I'm a 56 year old white mom/grandma and for the first time in my adult life, I will be proud to vote for a truly solid presidential candidate....so there!
Based on assessing information and projecting consequences Obama seriously excels over Hillary. She's clamoring about being able to put out a fire in Iraq that she helped to ignite. Also, as well stated in the article, her ineptude in running her own campaign is highly suggestive to her capability as Commander-in-Chief.  Since she seems to enjoy hitching herself to Bill's "legacy" (when in her favor of course)....let's not forget that her husband "mentor" as Commander-in-Chief had two "hard" opportunities to "factor out" Bin Laden, however, when pushed to make the call the Commander-in-Chiel, Bill, was too absorbed in his golf game.....and who knows how the "cigar" might have contributed. So, in hindsight a "handicap" on the course indeed might have played a role in 9/11.  This is not the family to put back into the White House.  
weLL first off what has Bills  THING WITH Monica Lewinsky  GOT TODO WITH HILLARYS BEING PRESIDENT ARE PEOPLE AFRAID SHE MIGHT HAVE ONE WITH ONE OF THE BOYS IF SHES ELECTED. DO THEY FORGET SHES ALREADY THERE AND IF SHE WAS GOING TO DO THAT IT WOULD HAVE ALLREADY HAPPENED . AND IF THERE DAUGHTER DOSENT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WHY SHOULD SHE .IF THE PRESS AND PUBLIC WANT TO KNOW SO BAD THEY SHOULD ASK BILL OR HILLARY NOT THERE DAUGHTER AFTER ALL IT WAS BETWEEN THEM AND THERE DAUGHTER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT .WOULD ANYONE WANT SOMEONE ASKING THERE CHILDREN ABOUT AN AFFAIR THEY HAD .I SURE WOULDNT AND MY CHILDREN ARE IN THERE 40TYS . AND WHAT MARRIED COUPLE DONT DISAGREE ON ONE THING OR ANOTHER AND WE ALL HAVE ALREADY SEEN IT DOSENT MATTER WHAT. HILLARY HAS A MIND OF HER OWN AND WILL DO WHAT SHE WANTS TO .AND AS FAR AS PENN GOSE SHE FIRED HIM AS HER MAIN ADVISOR IF SHE WANTS TO KEEP HIM AS A FRIEND WHO ARE WE TO SAY SHE CANT WOULD ANYBODY GET RID OF A FRIND JUST BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE ON SOMETHING .AND DO PEOPLE REMEMBER WRIGHT OBAMA DIDNT FIRE HIM FROM BEING A FRIEND.
I support Obama, but the questions to Chelsea about Monica should be stopped. Look it - put your kids in her place and what she had to endure during that mess. It's just not right.

Ask Bill and Hill, but not Chelsea.
If anyone believes that Bill Clinton will not have sway over Hillary in the White House on these things like the Colombian trade deal, they are delusional.  $800,000 in support of that deal means someone will be answering to someone.  Book it!
Hillary Clinton continues to act like she doesn't know what is going on.

She is a joke and couldn't manage a pet store!
  Hillary claims to be against the trade deal with Columbia. Penn was working for the Columbians, so was Bill and so was Ickes. Lets see... her three top campaign advisors are in favor of this deal... she supported NAFTA before it was politically inconvenient. Her whole "you can trust me to look out for you" argument is laughable. She obviously supports the deal with Columbia and refuses to admit it. Same way she supported the war and refuses to admit that. We need real change, not GWB light.
With all of Sen. Clinton's "misspoken" or exxagerated stories and her inability to apparently rest enough to know truth from fiction, I have absolutely no confidence in her making decisions as President.

I like Obama's approach of talking with leaders of other countries and I think that his personable style and ability to communicate will work well for him when dealing with people in his cabinet as well as world leaders. I will feel secure knowing our President deals in facts, remembers what country and group of people he is talking about and knows the difference between being attacked by sniper fire and not.
I don't think that Hillary is capable of commanding. She can't command her own campaign. She couldn't command her own house, while in the white house. McCain cannot command the military, he can't tell the difference between the shiites, or sunnis. We need a calm rational mind to run this country. Obama 08
Its completely fair to look at how they've run their campaigns. This is the biggest enterprise either has run (in fact, one of the only enterprises either has run). So its fair and in fact arguably mandatory for voters to consider how well each respective enterprise has been run.
My Granpa always used to say "Don't TELL me what you
can do, SHOW me what you can do."

The only, ONLY, way we can actually decide which one
will be the better president is by watching how they
MANAGE THEIR CAMPAIGNS!

They can say, brag, spin anything they want, but they
can actually prove their abilities by how well they
manage a major presidential campaign.

It's not what people SAY, it's what they DO!

Hello, President Barack Obama...
Well, she cannot claim to be best leader if she remains the worst campaign manager. Look at how her campaign has been managed, and she only raised $20 million.
All she can think right now is to just talk, talk, talk, and talk... She has no other option to help rescue her dying candidacy other than to talk about BS. She cannot win this way.
There may be mismanagment in both of the Democratic campaigns. That is nothing compared to what we face with a McCain presidency that will manage by right wing conservative principles that we have seen in action for the last 8 years. It has gotten us nowhere in world politics, nearly ruined protection of our personal rights and squandered all means of improving infrastructure, having a military capable of completing its job, and on and on. The conservatives do not have the capacity to think beyond yesterday or even the last 25 years. We are in a new world reality that needs a broad range of changes in our approach to it, to the world and home economy, to the great poverty in nations that will continue to challenge all assumptions of the last 100 years of world politics. If we can't change we will face more and more conflict. I don't believe things have radically changed since day one of the nomination process. We have two candidates who can begin the process of change. I trust that the nomination will sort itself out and I only hope that especially Democratic voters and then, a substantial number of independants and Republican voters can join together to move in a new direction that the Democratic nominee will offer. It is always a leap of faith in an election. I recently viewed an interview with J.Ventura. What hogwash he spouts. He has not changed his message that no candidate is good enough and he offers himself. What a joke. He was a failed populist incompetant and the press does a disservice to the American people by giving him a microphone. No leader is perfect and it is time the people accept that. Creating this mythical leader that has no weaknesses is the greatest weakness we have. Barack and Hillary are not perfect, will not solve all problems, will make mistakes, will mismanage, yet are proven leaders who at least know that the present direction is not working and are offering an oportunity for the USA to look ahead, look for solutions for a better future. Let us complete the nomination process with dignity and begin the hard work ahead.
Hillary cannot manage her own campaign efficiently, and without drama. She, and her steam-roller husband Bill, do not think alike when it comes to Columbia, so we are told, but she's gotten rich right along with him from his ventures there. Conflicts of interest abound around Hillary like grains of sand on a beach.

The idea of her having charge over the federal budget, and our armed forces is unthinkable.

Senator Obama's brilliantly run campaign is making history. His is the template others will hope to copy in the future.

His questioning of the Ambassador, and the General, during the hearings yesterday, proved he is the best choice for our next Commander In Chief. He was very impressive; very Presidential.

Pulling for Obama '08
George W Bush ran an excellent campaign, twice, so by your logic, that means he was an excellent president?
Char, Illinois (Sent Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:36 AM)

Uh, no - Karl Rove ran W's campaign.  And he was forced to resign "to spend more time with his family."
While I agree that asking Chelsea Clinton about Monica Lewinsky straddles a line of rudeness, I don't think anyone can refute the fact that the "affair" happened while our tax dollars were paying Bill Clinton's salary.  
Therefore, it is the American people's right to ask those questions.  It was a part of his presidency that will be marked in the history books and since Chelsea is an adult now and has had the time to process the situation, I think she should answer.  She actually has the opportunity to focus on her mother's strength and ability to overcome stressful situations with grace.

Do I BELIEVE that Hillary Clinton has the ability to overcome those with grace?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!  But, to say that we shouldn't ask the questions is ridiculous.  It's part of the overall picture.....it happened in the public limelight of the PRESIDENT and should be addressed.  I think the Clinton campaign is missing a golden opportunity to humanize Hillary and show her as a fighter on the personal front.

But, hey.....I'm all for them missing the boat....again!

Obama '08
To Char in Illinois.  Bush didn't run his campaign.  Karl Rove ran it.  Bush didn't have a clue.  He did as he was told, just like when he was president.  Clinton is worse.  She actually believes she is capable, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Obama knows how to surround himself with people that can properly advise him.  He takes what they say and intelligently evalutes it to come to a conclusion - ON HIS OWN.  
Barack Obama will be the democratic presidential nominee - it's only a matter of time.
I urge all Obama supporters to be respectful of Hillary and her supporters. We're really on the same side. Please don't use language that Barack wouldn't use. Barack's job to bring the party together once he nails down the nomination is going to be tough. Please don't make it tougher.
OBAMA 08!
I just heard that Elton John will be hosting a fundraiser for Hillary in New york.  They are hoping to raise $2 million.  How nice.  She can begin to pay Mark Penn a portion of the $2.5 million that she owes him. Although it would be nice of her to make the cleaning company in Ohio who cleaned her campaign headquarters, wouldn't it?
How is that for good judgement and leadership?  She continues to take money from her supporters and then to pay this man who is working against the best intrests of this country.
How can people support her?
If the management of the primaries are a "micro" version of managing the country. The Obama campaign has my vote. I do have to qualify this comparison. The Clinton campaign was clearly advantaged and already in place. I think that the sense of Clinton "entitlement" caused them to be be over confident and they just didn't work at anything until after Super Tuesday. In fact, it looked like they were on auto-pilot until after Super Tuesday.
First Read:  one other item to add to your list of the reasons Clinton should have been ready:  she had a team of people mapping out a Presidential campaign strategy for 3 years before she announced.  If what we've seen the past 3 months is "ready on Day 1," most thinking Americans would say we can do better.
Char,
Even if you're a Hillary supporter, there's no way you can spin this one.  She's been out-organized, out-fundraised, and out-managed by a guy who, at least according to all the "experts" in the Clinton campaign, is just a rookie.  If so, that's not a great commentary on her.
Hillary has lost this campaign due to poor strategy, bad judgement, and too much reliance on the Clinton legacy. She deserves the low trustworthy rating which only gets worse as more is revealed about her integrity. She misspeaks, misremembers and, when caught, claims to be misunderstood. The latest flap over the Columbia free trade agreement shows not only her amorality, but also her contempt for voters. She says she oppposes it while her husband, and her campaign manager accept money to lobby for it. She really doesn't see any contradiction or problem because it's just politics as usual in her world. Take whatever side of an issue the pollsters tell you to take, get elected and then do whatever you want. Hillary underestimates how important trust is to voters, and will lose because she can't be trusted.
When Chelsea goes on the campaign trail for her mother, she is taking on an adult role (and she is an adult).  When she open it up to questions, every question is acceptable, unless we want the question police to swoop in and taser people.  
However, she has every right to answer or refuse to answer in any way she wants.  It's her right, just as asking the question is also a right.  Let's not start censoring...  who's to judge?


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