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Iraq politics: Yesterday's testimony

Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:22 AM by Mark Murray
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The New York Times: “Telling Congress that progress in Iraq was ‘fragile and reversible,’ the top American commander recommended Tuesday that consideration of any new withdrawals of American troops be delayed until the fall, making it likely that little would change before Election Day.” More: “The hearings lacked the suspense of last September’s debate, when the focus was on measurable benchmarks and heightened expectations of speedy troop withdrawals. But they thrust the war to the center of the presidential campaign, as General Petraeus faced questioning from the two Democrats and one Republican still vying for the White House. He told them that progress in Iraq had been ‘significant and uneven.’”

The Washington Post: "Asked repeatedly yesterday what ‘conditions’ he is looking for to begin substantial U.S. troop withdrawals from Iraq after this summer's scheduled drawdown … Petraeus said he will know them when he sees them. For frustrated lawmakers, it was not enough."

More: "What worked in September -- an overall sense of progress that gave the Bush administration additional time to pursue its "surge" policy of sending nearly 30,000 more troops to Iraq -- sparked little enthusiasm this time among lawmakers who had hoped for a brighter light at the end of the tunnel. Much of their frustration appeared to stem from a realization that there was little they could do to affect policy in the administration's final nine months."

"All three major presidential candidates - Republican John McCain and Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama - displayed their contrasting views and styles in questioning General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker," the Boston Globe writes. 

The LA Times: "The back-to-back hearings gave the candidates an opportunity to showcase their competing claims to be best equipped to be commander-in-chief. But the questioning -- mostly low-key and respectful -- was singularly lacking in fireworks."

NBC’s Alex Lebowitz reports on the scene at the Foreign Relations Committee yesterday: Senators, police protection, media, and about 120 public citizens were packed into a crowded room in the Hart Senate Office Building. The public hearing had an eclectic mix of pro- and anti-war signs -- but mostly anti-war outbursts. Some of the signs included:
-- "Thank you America for liberating Iraq. We will never forget. Assyrians of Iraq.”
-- "Arrest Bush"
-- "Give victory a chance"
-- "This is not a war we can win, it is a war crime we committed."

The biggest draw for both supporters of the war and protesters, Lebowitz adds, was Obama’s questioning of Petraeus and Crocker. The evidence? At the conclusion of Obama's questioning, well over half of the public audience left the hearing.

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As usual Obama stutters and stammers in the hot seat.
He is way, way, out of his league, what an embarrassment!
McCain and Hillary make BO look like a school boy!
After all that testimony and questioning, the "srategy" can be summed up in three words.....stay the course....which is NOT a strategy, except for brain dead bush/mccain.
I heard ole Moron Joe this am saying "yeah, let's tell Al-Sadre just exactly when we're leaving, so he can just waitus oout."  What the nitwit from Floridaa fails to understand is that, even if we stay the good ole hundred years, Sadre's descendents and his army will be waiting us out.  They've been fighting each other for CENTURIES, they can wait us out before massacring more innocents (their chief source of entertainment, evidently).  What having a timeline WOULD do, however, is to scare the normally useless Iraqi "government" into getting its act together before we go.  In we're in there forever, the Iraqis will never be ready to run their own show (just like the Koreans), forever.  What don't some of these brain-dead pundits EVER get this point.  Al Sadre waited out Saddam, he'll wait out the U.S.  But Al-Maliki may actually develop some brains and grow a pair if he knew we'were going to leave him on his own.
With all the lying that The Clinton's have been telling the American people lately, she did tone it down a bit this time.

Hillary Clinton
A Liar for all Seasons
From beyond the Chron

Let’s start with his signature position against the Iraq war. Obama has sent mixed messages at best.

First, he opposed the war in Iraq while in the Illinois state legislature. Once he was running for US Senate though, when public opinion and support for the war was at its highest, he was quoted in the July 27, 2004 Chicago Tribune as saying, “There’s not that much difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who’s in a position to execute.” The Tribune went on to say that Obama, “now believes US forces must remain to stabilize the war-ravaged nation – a policy not dissimilar to the current approach of the Bush administration.”

Obama’s campaign says he was referring to the ongoing occupation and how best to stabilize the region. But why wouldn’t he have taken the opportunity to urge withdrawal if he truly opposed the war? Was he trying to signal to conservative voters that he would subjugate his anti-war position if elected to the US Senate and perhaps support a lengthy occupation? Well as it turns out, he’s done just that.

Since taking office in January 2005 he has voted to approve every war appropriation the Republicans have put forward, totaling over $300 billion. He also voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State despite her complicity in the Bush Administration’s various false justifications for going to war in Iraq. Why would he vote to make one of the architects of “Operation Iraqi Liberation” the head of US foreign policy? Curiously, he lacked the courage of 13 of his colleagues who voted against her confirmation.
5 years in Iraq. So much $$$$$$, so much loss of life, so much loss of limb and damage to so many people's lives and the progress is "fragile and reversible"....heckuva job. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Crocker: "umm ahh umm ahh um ahh....." George Bush & Dick Cheney are CRIMINALS.
You got to be kidding.  Obama is a very thoughtful speaker and has many ideas in his head at one time so he wants to make sure he gets it right.  Hillary was just a pre planed question with no thought.  At least Obama had many thoughts and they were not preplanned.
This war is sick...They put up charts and graphs of dead people...and we should believe these statics because our military would never lie to the American people...

Reporting to the Congress must be alot easier than being shot at...

I suggest the higher ups should stay in Iraq and send all our fighting men (E9 and below) home...Let those bean counters get in the line of fire...
Then we'll see those chart numbers go to zero...

We do not have to be there. The Iraq people know how to take care of themselves..I don't buy any of their lies about they can stop or solve their internal problem without US help..

Necessity and their need to rely on our help is a lie...
Like the eagle chick that is old enough to leave the nest  gets booted out of the nest (fly or die)...so the millitary needs to leave Iraq not out of loosing but to mature the Iraq nation; to fly or die on it's own merit...

We can't play God and statistically know when the right time will be..Making things tougher on them helps them more than doing it for them...Helping them over burdens their reliance more and more upon US blood...Who is really willing to win here and there?
We never got in this war to win anything!

Get out of Iraq...Help the US economy now...
Obama really impressed me with his questioning yesterday.  He got to the heart of the matter, what will success look like?  His questions highlighted that the current policy does not layout what goals we need to acheive before drawing down forces and that the current policy is just the same "stay the course" strategy that will keep us fighting there for decades towards an unattainable goal.  Bravo Senator Obama!
If McWar, McNasty, McGeritol can't keep the names straight as who's fighting who in Iraq, how can we feel secure with him as commander in chief?  He'll be ordering attacks on the wrong people!  I think he's got a few screws loose from his POW days.
I thought Obama did well in the hearings. So did Clinton, although Obama was the ONLY candidate to even suggest talks with Iran. McFossil wants to go to war with Iran and Clinton just wants the nomination. Obama, once again, showed he KNEW what he was talking about (HE keeps the Sunni's and Shiites straight) and that he is trying to come up with some type of plan to withdraw our troops. He's the ONLY one who has said that we need to be as "careful with our exit strategy as Bush was careless in getting us into war".
And did it sound to YOU that ANYONE had an exit strategy? Who the heck goes INTO a war without an EXIT strategy? Apparently the Republicans. I'll put the future in Obama's capable hands thank you.
petraus said the iraq is too fragile to leave now which is a 100% admission that the surge and occupation is a FAILURE
The end result of this thing is a greater Iran. We can't stop that. We can only delay it at a cost of $12 billion a month.
petraus said the iraq is too fragile to leave now which is a 100% admission that the surge and occupation is a FAILURE
HP you are a clown.  Anything Obama mentioned wouldnt have been good enough.  You already had this in your head before he said a word.  He was the only one who attempted to get a direct answer. I would like to know the real reason you dont like Obama???  Anyone watching yesterday could see he held his own and then some.
Hill looked like she been rode hard and hung up wet. She looked like a tired old lady. The pressure and pace of the campaign seems to be getting to her. McCain was the same stay the course at all costs. At least, Obama seemed alive and alert and knew the points he wanted to make without being scripted.
Obviously, HP Boston didn't actually watch the hearings where he criticized Obama as there was no hot seat or stuttering or stammering. Instead what was seen were his fellow committee members no longer looking bored but listening intently to his every word, and as others have pointed out, usually such a junior senator would have not been allowed to take as much time as he wanted to pursue his questions, but the presider would have "moved on". I have enjoyed the rallies, but seeing him demonstrate not only his grasp of the nuances, but his adept use of group communication tools, his leadership, and his brilliance of synthesis that previously we had hearsay of but in the soundbites hadn't been evidenced. As usual though the majority of the media coverage is on were any concrete answers gotten from Petraeus. I thought it was notable that in a long drawn out courteous hearing, both the General and ambassador also responded visibly to Obama's leadership and charisma, but in the room there seemed a tacit acknowledgement of the likelihood of his being the next commander in chief. Hillary demonstrated her customary commendable knowledgeable command of the strategy and issues, but wasted the opportunity to act like one of the big boys, with downcast eyes as she carefully read her prepared statements, as opposed to Obama not looking at even a cheat sheet, her subdued manner, while trying to look serious and determined, she ended up looking tired and dissociated. McCain was painful to watch. I had always felt he had gotten such a raw deal from Bush in 2000 with his own being swift boated, but back then while short tempered, and still the lobbyist hypocrisy, he had evidenced a mental agility and leadershp that now seem missing. I have to suspect the Rovian hand again that he has been selected to be the sacrificial calf on the altar of Bush failures to be blamed when the Repubs lose in the fall, which still seems likely.

57 year old woman for Obama
Obama demonstrated a much deeper understanding of the dynamics in the middle east than either of the other candidates. McCain still can't quite get it straight who the sunni and shia are.
So let me get this straight - after the withdrawal of the surge troops in July, wait 45 days and bingo - that's September once again to make the decision to stay the course again. I think all Petreas did was white-out and change the date on last years testimony. Absolutely disgusting...and while this is going on, the war criminal-in-chief is cranking out tears for the brave hero that gave his life for his comrades and country BECAUSE of Bush. Despicable, it just makes me ill. If I were either Hillary or Obama yesterday, I would have made a side note to Petreas to get started on his resume for 09.
Let's stop the pretending. Obama did look kinda foolish up there, but there's good reason: he's a crappy senator. Trust me -- he's mine. Hillary, on the other hand, is an excellent senator, an inquisitive legislator, and a fine representative of the people of New York.

That's exactly why Hillary should stay where she is doing what she's best at, while Obama needs to give up this ruse about being a legislative leader and get back to what he's best at: being an organizer and a figurehead leader in whom his people can have trust. Hillary is a better senator; Barack will be the better president.
You want fragile? Try foreclosed homeowners watching a TV at the pawnshop with smug Dubya and his Trillion Dollar Mess, telling them to be 'Patriotic'. The line between his 'Patriotic', and 'Idiotic', is indeed a fine one. Let's have this election now, bring the troops home, tax the daylights out of the No-Bid Profiteers, and try to Reverse this Titanic Poseidon Adventure, the GOP has taken us on.
What struck me yesterday was the discussion about the "treaty" with Iraq not being brought before the Senate.  It is an indication of how far American government has fallen when the President can usurp Constitutional duties which  our Congress been too busy to exercise due to petty politics.

America needs leadership from its senators and representatives, not just our next president.  In the coming months, the presidential candidates must address the issue of how our government can be restored to greatness and truly serve the American people - all of us.
I want out NOW!! I want us to start spending those billions at home on the people who have lost their homes, who are unemployed, who can't get health insurance, who are hungry...
There is so much to be done right here in the US without wasting more money destroying and rebuilding infrastructure in Iraq and killing people

Time wasted on the Petraeus movie part two!
Nothing will ever end until we rid the WH of the traitors who hide there, and waste our treasure.
The "war" Bush has given America is his to end, he NEVER will!
2009 will come, will we be out quickly??, has the die been cast?  Will we have more excuses from more war mongers? I think so.
Republicans see timetables for withdrawal as cut and run policy. Problem, is that the current Republican stay the course policy in Iraq is not working...it's not getting the Iraqi gov't to step up to the plate and take care of themselves.  The Democratic Policy will put the Iraqi Govt's feet to the flame and get them off their lazy bumms and get their house in order...and if they can't by the time we leave, then so be it...Let Iraq stand or fall on its own now.  

BTW - isn't anyone bothered by the fact that Iraq has a budget SURPLUS! while we're mired in a budget defecit?  Maybe if Iraq used its money to care for itself, our troops will be either home, or finishing the unfished mess in Afghanistan so we can come home from there sooner than later.
Trotting out Petraeus and Crocker semi-annually to conduct a dog and pony show and be cheerleaders for the Bush/Cheney war debacle in Iraq has become not only wearisome...but very very sad.  Our men and women continue to die and be maimed in a civil war that has zero bearing on our safety and John Mc Cain is supporting a 100-year commitment of this carnage.
I realize under this unbeliveabley awful Bush Administration nothing is going to change but come January 2009 much much will change...and with any luck at all Bush and Cheney will eventually be made to pay and pay severely for their crimes against the American people.
The congress is weak and cannot or does not stand up for the end of the occupation.Most of them have become millionares.G ahead and bitch about Bill Clinton---why don't you ask Pelosi about the millions her husband is making on weapons of war?I know the difference between the shia and sunni--I should run for president.Obama was just as weak as the rest of the senate yesterday--not bothering to watch the House--more of the same.I read and hear that all the young,educated and military is for Obama.That is only B S.Not one veteran,young person or educated person I have spoken with is voting for him.Spin,spin,spin.One thing I believe is that all A A are voting for him.
HP - we can't get out quickly. Once you're tangled, you're tangled.

If it was easy to "get out," it wouldn't be such a blunder to "go in" when you don't have to.
Petraeus kept referring to "battlefield geometry" and "political/military calculus". Wow!! Truly impressive methods at work. No wonder we're so successful.
petreus is just another backbencher general selected by the bushies to tote their new lies out to the public...he was jumped over dozens of senior officers because he would toe the party line for the ignorant and easily conned...he should be cashiered out of the army for being such a liar
Obama struggles when he has to talk about things he knows nothing about. Like things that are happening in the real world.
Barack did an excellant job yesterday. He was trying to get to the heart of the matter, i.e., exactly what are the "conditions on the ground" that will allow us to leave Iraq?
All McFossil does is equate a departure from Iraq with "surrender." He obviously doesn't realize that no military victory will solve the problems in Iraq, but rather political compromises.
I can't believe Bush got us in this mess. He never correctly identified our enemy, it was Osama bin Laden, not Saddam Hussein.
All we are doing is making the Iraqi government leaders rich. Don't forget, one of the main reasons why the Iraqi people don't like their leaders is because they see all of their CORRUPTION. Ahmed Chalabi and Iyed Alawi have million dollar homes in London. Who do you think paid for those homes? US TAXPAYERS. We are being played as fools. The sooner we Americans realize this, the better.
This should not be about who stuttered or who did what.  This is about American troop lives and the budget busting dollar figure being spent on this fiasco.  For those who are in support - if you have not served then JOIN the Armed Services.  If you are in support at what point do you call success and leave?  This can not be about how long we are there because if that becomes an issue then you have no choice but to reinstitute the draft to replenish the troops.
Yesterday's testimony about Iraq was beyond depressing, but the one bright spot for me was when Obama spoke. I know there is no way we are getting out of Iraq...and it will probably bankrupt us...but at least our next President will have a youthful vigor to confront the problem..I see President Obama in '09.
J. Werner, Chicago

Obama struggles when he has to talk about things he knows nothing about. Like things that are happening in the real world.


I LOVE YOU. You understand, don't you? How can we get other people to see the light?

Midwest Chuck has raised what to me was the most ironic part of yesterday's testimony.  Ambassador Crocker was discussing the security agreement currently being developed by the Administration and the Iraqis.  He noted that the US has at least 80 such security agreements in effect today including NATO and SEATO I presume.  When asked how the security agreement will be adopted, Mr. Crocker was a bit vague as to how the Iraqi government would approve the treaty/agreement/contract but was very clear about how the US would proceed.  He said that the Congress would be fully briefed on its provisions, but that it would be adopted by Executive Order!  No advice and consent of the Senate as was done in all of the other bilateral and multilateral security agreements referred to by Mr. Crocker.  Such irony that the Bush Administration wants to establish democratic principles in Iraq but ignores our own Constitution.  Government by Executive Order is not democracy; it is dictatorship.
"HP Boston" that is called thinking, listening and actually doing his job as  a Senator not stuttering. Once again Hillary and McCain choose to talk up their positions with no new points or positions and without even being interested in the answers. Obama was the only one who was actually trying to do his job and not grand stand.
Petraeus and Crocker were an embarrassment to dogs and ponies.  Artful dodgers who tap danced through the whole show.  If this duo is the best this country has to offer in terms of military and diplomatic leadership, no wonder we're bogged down in the Middle East and will be for years to come if McCain, Lieberman and that crowd have their way.  Keep sending those sons and daughters, folks, along with your tax dollars because victory is "tenuous' but really, honestly just a little more time and the war will be won.  We'll evaluate it again In September....of 08, 09,10,11,12,13,14,15...  
To summarize, the Surge has been a brilliant success.  So much so that we can now reduce troop levels to 10,000 more than before the surge.  At the same time all this brilliance has left us with a grave and worrisome situation that absolutely precludes removing more troops.  I don't see that we've accomplished anything.


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