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Clinton: 'Count on me' to end Iraq war

Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:51 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones
ALIQUIPPA, Pa. -- Hillary Clinton said today she was the only candidate voters could count on to end the war in Iraq and bring troops home.

The senator appeared with veterans and retired military officers at an event outside Pittsburgh that focused on military readiness. She said the war in Iraq must be ended and the military rebuilt and used yesterday's Senate hearings on the war's progress to argue presumptive Republican nominee John McCain was not prepared to end the war.

VIDEO:Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton urges President Bush to provide America with an endgame to the war in Iraq.

She said McCain "has said that it would be alright with him if we kept troops in Iraq for up to 100 years, and again yesterday, he basically reiterated his commitment to the course that we are on in Iraq. Well, I don't agree with that. We need to be planning and preparing to start bringing our troops home, and I have committed to doing that within 60 days of my becoming president."

McCain's campaign has been especially quick about pushing back against Obama when he asserts the Arizona senator would be fine with staying in Iraq for a century, but has seemed less critical when Clinton has made almost identical remarks.

The event was designed to show voters in this crucial primary state that the senator is best prepared to be commander in chief of the country. It began with a student singing the national anthem followed by the audience reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. The crowd was about half high school students.

Clinton repeated recent criticisms of Obama, calling his withdrawal plan "just words."

"Sen. Obama ... says he'll end the war, but his top foreign policy adviser said he won't necessarily follow the plan he's been talking about during this campaign, that the plan is just words,” she said as she stood in front of a banner that read "Solutions for a Strong Military." “Well, you can count on me to end the war safely and responsibly. That's the choice: one candidate will continue the war and keeping (sic) troops in Iraq indefinitely; one candidate only says he'll end the war and one candidate is ready, willing and able to end the war and to rebuild our military while honoring our soldiers and our veterans."

It's important to note the Obama adviser Clinton referred to stepped down weeks ago, soon after making a disparaging comment about the former first lady. 

The senator also had a message for President Bush, asking him to do two things in his speech on Iraq tomorrow: define America's endgame in Iraq and pledge to make sure Congress was able to debate any long-term security agreement with Iraq.

"President Bush must not saddle the next president with an agreement that extends our involvement in Iraq beyond his presidency," she said.

In laying out what she called solutions to strengthen America's military, Clinton mostly repeated or expanded on previously announced plans. She said that as president she would make sure that for every month soldiers were deployed they would have a month at home and end the practice of extending military tours called "stop loss," which she termed a “backdoor draft.” She also said she would work toward mandatory funding of the Veterans Administration, among other goals.

*** UPDATE *** The RNC responds: “Senator Clinton’s calls for retreat would leave Iraq to the terrorists, and lead the U.S. into a wider and more difficult war in the future," RNC spokesman Alex Conant writes in an e-mail. "It’s clear Clinton is listening to her party’s left-wing base and not General Patraeus and Ambassador Crocker.”

*** UPDATE 2 *** The Obama camp responds: "Hillary Clinton's tired and discredited attack is just the same old politics that won't end this war that she voted to authorize, and won't change the fact that she has repeatedly misled the American people about her Iraq record. We're happy to have a debate with Hillary Clinton over who the American people trust to end this war, since Barack Obama is the only candidate who had the judgment to oppose the war from the very beginning, not just from the beginning of a campaign for President."

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Hillary you are a congenital Liar!!!  Drop out now!!!
Poor Chris Matthews he had a whole show almost dedicated to the the story of the girl with no Hospital Insurance and how Hillary needs to start getting her facts straight, guess he will have to retract his sarcasm. And does he seriously not understand why Hillary will not appear on Hardball with him or is he just acting stupid. He needs to take a lesson fromhis colleague Joe Scrborough and stop being so bias, his show is the worse MSNBC has to offer.
Evelyn New Jersey (Sent Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:22 PM)

Evelyn, I took the liberty of re-posting your comment because it is spot on.

Thanks
She has ducked sniper fire after all. Oh wait.
Yeah, let's trust the $109,000,000 serial liars Bill and Hillary to get us out of the ditch they helped drive us into.
Don't you mean, 'count on you to end my job, and ship it into outerspace, or somewhere?

Pulling for Obama '08
Uh, we can't even count on you to pay your campaign bills (or to know the difference between being under fire in Bosnia or to know where you are on NAFTA or whether Mark Penn is working for your campaign or not, I could go on)...scratching my head trying to figure out how to trust you on Iraq.

Obama for America 08
Does it really matter at this point.  Americans can count on Sen. Clinton to say whatever, where ever and whenever she feels it will boost her candidacy.  She will say boycott the olympic, appoint a czar here and there, form a commission of the idiots who got our economy is such trouble, I will do this I will do that..., it just never ends.  And what about the 200K jobs she promised in upstate New York?  Oh yeah, Al Gore fault.
And when Iraq goes into civil war, and is taken over by Iran (which by then has nuclear weapons), what do you do then Hillary?
HILLARY GET THE HELL OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE FOR A DEMOCRATE TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. MOST EVERYONE KNOWS U LIE SO MUCH YOU CANT GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

TAKE YOUR HUSBAND AND JUST RELAX MY THE SEA SIDE AS A PRIVATE PERSON AND SPEND YOUR ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WHERE NO ONE KNOWS YOU.

Hillary needs to stop the lieing.  Obama's advisor never ever said his withdrawal plan was just words.  What she said is that he will of course factor the conditions at that time and the recommendations of the military, when implementing his withdrawal strategy.  Every president should do this.  If Hillary is claiming that she wouldn't, then she must never be allowed to be Commander-in-Chief.

Alan, NJ: I answered your statement earlier, however I'm not sure you'll see it. The First Thoughts thread seems to have some sort of cut off time.

No where did I suggest that John McCain dropped bombs on Japan. I have traveled to Berlin and Warsaw and other cities heavily bombed by either the Germans or us during WWII. I've been to a few death camps. The scars are everywhere. And it is awful.

Last night on Keith's program, it was brought up that Nixon ran his campaign in 1968 with a promise to end the Vietnam War. Following his election, 20,000+ Americans died.

I wasn't a fan of the hippies back then, however, I did admire the demonstrators against the war, many of whom were veterans themselves.

I knew of many who were serving in Vietnam at the time. Most of us did. We saw what was happening every night. It was a nightmare.

It is now being suggested that Iraq will become another Vietnam if we continue to stay.

My vote in November is strictly an anti-war vote - Obama or Nader.

John McCain is out of touch. I am sorry he was a POW. I can barely say anything negative about him because of his experience as a POW. But that does not make him presidential material just because he was in the military.

I wouldn't ridicule Barack because he hasn't served. He has done a great deal with his life.

And Senator Obama being against our invasion into Iraq goes a long way with me. I hate war. Especially against civilians in Iraq who were no threat to us.
How can anybody take the word of The Clinton's after the last few days?

Hillary Clinton
A Liar for all seasons
Spot on, matthews doesn't have to retract anything. If your following and listening very carefully the news. it was a made-up story by the clinton campaign. the clinton campaign never called any hospital in Ohio to confirm thier story.

On the Iraq debacle. Hillary again has no Plan for an Iraq withdrawal. All she is doing is attacking McCain & Obama. What is Hillary's Plan?
For the record, Morning Joe is the worst of MSNBC television.  Did you see him cry this morning when an opinion contrary to his (what he has tried to push for the last four weeks)?  It is disgusting.  And the producers know it.  Why do you think he gets so much time off!
I know that if she wins the nomination, the GOP will jump all over the Pardoning of the 11 FALN Terrorists who were in federal jails all over the country. Billl Pardoned them in March of 1999. They were responsible for maiming and killing civilians and law enforcement officers on US soil while Bin Ladin was bombing the African Embassy and the USS Cole.  I hope she is working on her answers to those debate questions, because they are surely going to come up.
Spot on, matthews doesn't have to retract anything. If your following and listening very carefully the news. it was a made-up story by the clinton campaign. the clinton campaign never called any hospital in Ohio to confirm thier story.

On the Iraq debacle. Hillary again has no Plan for an Iraq withdrawal. All she is doing is attacking McCain & Obama. What is Hillary's Plan?
Hillary " Janus" Clinton is the ONLY candidate to get our troops out.  How amazing that one of the original "Hawks" in voting athorization for war and sending our troops in is now the "Dove " candidate.

Just like she was against NAFTA when she was actively involved in its passage or when she took sniper fire but really recieved flowers from a child or not vetting the pregnancy story or she is against the Columbian free trade deal but her former strategist( who is still employed) was a lobbyist to pass it.

Obama is just words on getting our troops out.  Hillary your actions got us into Iraq I think I will give him some some leeway on this issue.

Which Hillary are we to believe.  My view is the one that will change her tune to get elected.  Great leadership quality.  
Just words Hillary??  I guess that's why lying comes so easily to you because they are just words right?
SPot on and Evelyn,

Maybe instead of the LIE that HRC told about the hospital, Chris Mathews should ask her about her husband Bill's involvement with Columbia, and the fact that the CLINTONS have made TONS of money from Columbia.

Maybe the 5 mil that she loaned her campaign came from the Millions that the Clintons have made from the Columbian Government.

Funny how 3 MAJOR players in her campaign, Bill Clinton, Mark Penn, and Howard Wolfson are ALL involved and getting paid LOTS of money from Columbia.


Lets hear you explain that HRC.

Or maybe you would like to explain it Spot on or Evelyn.


Didn't think so.  Nothing you CAN say, except that HRC is  a LIAR.


Obama 08
Back off, Hillary. You got us into this war. I trust Obama to get us out, whatever his plan may be over your's, any, every, and allday! Talk to the hand.

Pulling for Obama '08
I forgot she was still in the race.

Senator McCain knows a lot about fighting wars. He knows nothing about anything else.

McCain would be as bad as Bush.

I don't trust Obama, he is soft and weak on the Iraq war. McCain is too hawkish. Hillary has all the right ideas to get us out safely and with our honor intact.
McCain doesn't respond to Hillary because he knows--knows in his gut--that she is going to lose to Obama.  Why waste his time on her.  Hillary's words have become lifeless, to all but her own supporters.  In fact, I will no longer acknowlege the little girl who cried "wolf" because: as we learn when we are little--no one believes someone who flip-flops, exaggerates, and just tries to manipulate other through tears, negativism, campaign scandals, and just plain untrustwhorthyness.  I used to like Bill Clinton,his ability to communicate, his fine ideas, and his optimism.  However, his wife seems to be the opposite, and as an earlier artical pointed out--they don't seem to agree on much anymore.  Perhaps Hillary need to listen to Bill,--more
Spot on

You are an idiot.  Clinton is an idiot.

You must drop off this board now!
When Obama speaks, it is just words.

When Hillary speaks, it is just lies.

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
"Sen. Obama ... says he'll end the war, but his top foreign policy adviser said he won't necessarily follow the plan he's been talking about during this campaign, that the plan is just words,”

....PLEEEEEEASE....Enough with Samantha Powers, already.  She's no longer with the Obama campaign!!!

JUST WORDS?  Now THAT'S your arena, Hillary.
Yes, Hillary, we can "count on you" concerning Iraq just like we can "count on you" to oppose NAFTA and outsourcing jobs to Columbia.........but can we count on Bill and Mark Penn to do the same???????
At this point it's pretty simple, who are you going to believe: "the Clintons" or your lying eyes?

Anybody who doesn't believe that "the Clintons" 35 plus years of experience "shading the truth"(trying to be generous here) is not exactly what we would get if they are allowed to move back into the White House is truly delusional. It happened in Arkansas, it happened in Presidential terms 1 and 2, and it is happening right now in Senator Clinton's presidential campaign.

You don't have to be in love with Senator Obama to know that we can't trust "the Clintons".
Hillary is the Mike Huckabee for the Democrats. Although she isn't getting beat as bad, she has no chance of winning. When all the contests are over Barack will have the most popular votes, pledged delegates, and number of contests won. Do you really believe the Supers will overturn that????? Be serious. This is already over and the news should start reporting it. If Barack had no chance of getting ahead in any category that counts, the news would be saying that everyday.
Spot on & Evelyn you both are so right regarding Chris Matthew.  He is so con Hillary it is pathetic. Chris and Obermann have totally lost it.  I expect them to be on forced leave soon.  

I believe with all my heart and informed mind that Hillary would be the candidate to end the war in a careful and responsible way, she would find a way to create new jobs, find a way to get health care for all the people, would find a solution for our troubled economy.  I feel that Hillary with a mostly democratic congress and senate would find sloutions for a lot of what ails this country.  

Obama would speak about it.  If how he handled himself yesterday in the senate hearings and how he answered Matthew' 3 am question are indicators of how Obama would deal with things, then we are in for a whole boat load of trouble.  I am extremely troubled by what Obama might do.  I DO NOT TRUST THE MAN.

I  
She can't even manage her own campaign... are you kidding me? Give me a break!

Hillary = Status Quo!

http://laststopmidwest.blogspot.com/
How can she manage the country when she can't even manage her own campaign.  Read Politico's assessment of her stunning incompetence.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9478.html

I wouldn't trust her to manage my kids' schedule much less the county.
Hahahahahahahaha!!!


Now THIS is probably the funniest thing since "sniper-fire"


HRC says "she was against the war first".


Okay HRC, I guess your vote FOR the war didn't count because you didn;t even read the agreement.  


Hahahahahahahaha.

I guess you were originally "against the war before you were for the war", just like you were "FOR NAFTA, before you were against it".


Hahahahahahahahahahaha.


So pathetic and desperate.

But here is my question HRC, were you "FOR trading with Columbia when  you and Bill made TONS of money from the Columbian Government" or just against it since you started running for President?"


And did the 5 millions that you loaned your campaign come from ALL THAT MONEY you and Bill made from supporting the free trade with Columbia?


HRC against the war first, now thats the funniest one yet!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!
Evelyn, I took the liberty of re-posting your comment because it is spot on.

Thanks
Spot on (Sent Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:56 AM)

Except for the fact that she sought an interview with Richard Mellon Scaife, the guy who essentially led the anti-Clinton movement in the late 90s.

You only see what you want to see. She got herself in trouble by making up stories (Tuzla) and telling stories without checking if they are true (Ohio hospital).

It's not Chris Matthews' fault that she is desperate.
"Just Words" Why doesn't she apply this to her husband Bill Clinton? He gets paid millions to make speeches as a "former president". Hillary Clinton is just "All Lies". All of her supporters need to wake up and buy a calculator! She cannot pass Obama in delegates! I welcome you to the Obama side!

McCain.  What's with this American Hero stuff?  His claim to fame was he was shot out of the air and served time in a POW camp.  Such misplaced accolades seem to make light of the thousands of Americans for the past two hundred plus years who stood up in a time of terror and saved a comrade, an innocent, or a village.
Clinton.  Is she looking more and more desperate, or what?
Obama.  Looking the most Presidential of the field.
Not only is she trying to THROW THE KITCHEN SINK at Obama; but she is attempting to throw it at the American people also....Where in God's name is she going to get all of the funding for all of her programs? I would admit though that it sounds good...But remember if it sounds too good it isn't.
Spot on--this dirty stuff is soiling my cloth.  Try some Obama spot remover--perhaps that will help.
Here we goin the last count down to PA,  say anything to win Clintons.  Very sad indeed.

Lets unite to defeat MCCain....the real target
Spot on & Evelyn you both are so right regarding Chris Matthew.  He is so con Hillary it is pathetic. Chris and Obermann have totally lost it.  I expect them to be on forced leave soon.  

I believe with all my heart and informed mind that Hillary would be the candidate to end the war in a careful and responsible way, she would find a way to create new jobs, find a way to get health care for all the people, would find a solution for our troubled economy.  I feel that Hillary with a mostly democratic congress and senate would find sloutions for a lot of what ails this country.  

Obama would speak about it.  If how he handled himself yesterday in the senate hearings and how he answered Matthew' 3 am question are indicators of how Obama would deal with things, then we are in for a whole boat load of trouble.  I am extremely troubled by what Obama might do.  I DO NOT TRUST THE MAN.

I  
Not only is she trying to THROW THE KITCHEN SINK at Obama; but she is attempting to throw it at the American people also....Where in God's name is she going to get all of the funding for all of her programs? I would admit though that it sounds good...But remember if it sounds too good it isn't.
So, it turns out that $800,000 of the Clinton's income is from Bill's pro-trade speeches?  So, Hillary benefited monetarily from what she now disavows?  Interesting.  I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with the concept of having both of them in the White House, with Bill as "confidante and advisor."  Maybe, if she's elected he could get an apartment somewhere else?
Liar!
I dont trust you for anything.
HP-I thought you supported Clinton Wussup with that????
Well Anyway Clinton is a liar and McCain has no plan the only one left is Obama!
Hillary,
60 days after you take office you will start bringing them home?  Will that be thousands at a time or one soldier at a time?  Either way would keep to your promise.  Be a little more specific.  Be a little more detailed in your plan.  Oh, I forgot, you do not know how to plan.  Just look at your campaign finances.  I could go on and on,
Hillary says that she is "ready, willing and able" to end the war.  What in the world makes her say that?  Is that based on her record of good judgement?  Hillary helped to send us to Iraq.  She couldn't even be bothered to read the intelligence information that had been given to her and passed it off to her aides. Now she is trying to distance herself from that vote.  Yet, she has never apologized for it and only said that she wishes she could change it after being pressed to do so.  She doesn't have an ounce of credibility!
Here in New York State we believed her when she ran for the Senate and we were told that she would create 3 million jobs.  We are actually at a loss of almost 300,000 instead.  
If you want to be smart, you will not believe nor trust anything that Hillary Clinton says.  She has proven herself to be completely untrustworthy by her broken promises and her actions.  
I wouldn't count on Hillary to do ANYTHING...

For example, I wouldn't count on Hillary to use her brain when developing an Iraq exit strategy when she's in office.  OF COURSE Obama isn't going to use the SAME EXACT plan he developed in 2007 to end a war in 2009.  He'll tailor it to meet realistic capabilities and new information.  Is that bad?  NO!  It's GOOD!  Does that mean that he's no longer going to end the war?  No!  Does it mean he's going to end it correctly, cautiously, and safely?  Yes!  Sometimes plans NEED to change.  He'll be privy to more information, he'll be able to talk freely with generals on information, etc etc.  I can only hope Clinton would do the same, but her railing on Obama for being flexible, that doesn't exactly give me any confidence in her judgment and abilities.
Sen. Obama's plan is just words?

How is it that Hillary's plan is not also "just words"? Has she unilaterally withdrawn troops from Iraq on her own? I didn't realize she's already President. Why are we going through this whole election thing, anyway?
Obama's plan is just words Senator Clinton?
Sen Obama had the FORESIGHT not to back this ill advised imperialistic incursion in the first place. You did not Senator Clinton.
I suppose the lies you've spewed on the campaign trail are "just words" too Senator Clinton.
Of course maybe your memory isn't what it once was Senator Clinton. Must be the PTSD you're suffering from ever since the sniper fire incident at Tuzla huh.
Don't count me among those who think HRC has no credibility on Iraq because she voted to authorize force.  A lot of people were fooled on that, and a lot of others felt stuck in a box because the neocons played the politics of war authorization so well.  Nonetheless I think it's disingenuous to pretend Obama doesn't also share a commitment to ending the war.  As for McCain, he's always been ready to use military force the interests of the US government at gunpoint and we should expect otherwise.
The persons we need to see in front of Congress are George W. Bush and Cheney. They are hanging the military out to dry. Congress should see this and demand Bush and Cheney go in front of the American people and answer questions.

ONLY Democratic members of Congress need to go to the Middle East. The GOP should stay home. They are a waste of valuable time as they will only side with Bush's rosy picture.

Congress can't and shouldn't make any decisions until they have ALL THE FACTS.

Something they failed to have when they went into Iraq. And this includes Clinton and McCain.


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