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The Clintons' policy differences, part II

Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:18 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray
Following our earlier report of policy disagreements between Bill and Hillary Clinton -- over NAFTA, the Colombian free trade deal, boycotting the Beijing Olympics' opening ceremony, and torture -- there are a couple more disagreements we forgot to mention.

One, Bill Clinton, as the New York Times reported earlier this year, supported Kazakhstan President Nazarbayev's bid to head Europe's Organization for Security and Cooperation -- while the US government and Hillary Clinton opposed it.

Two, Bill Clinton advised leaders in the United Arab Emirates on how to quell US opposition (including from his wife) to the port takeover by Dubai Ports World. At the time, a Clinton spokesman said that Bill's advice had involved just one phone call, and that he agreed with his wife that state-owned companies shouldn't own US ports.

Considering those two additional examples, the Clinton campaign might confront this question from critics: How do you explain some of Bill's financial ties to these disagreements?

As the Times reported, the Canadian mining capitalist Frank Giustra gave (or pledged to give) the Clinton Foundation a combined $131 million, which came after Bill accompanied Giustra to Kazakhstan, where Clinton issued his support for Nazarbayev and where Giustra afterwards won a lucrative mining contract.

Bill didn't earn any money when he advised the UAE regarding the Dubai Ports World controversy. But he has raked in hundreds of thousands of dollars by giving speeches in Dubai, and Dubai contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to his presidential library.

And as already mentioned today, the New York Post reported that Bill earned $800,000 in speaking fees from a group supporting the Colombian trade agreement.

But Clinton campaign spokesman Jay Carson -- who previously handled press for Bill Clinton -- says it's unfair to link this money with these Bill-Hillary disagreements. Regarding the Colombian speech, Carson notes that Clinton supported the trade agreement well before he ever gave the speech. Clinton's support "had nothing to do with his speech," he said, adding it shouldn't be surprising that a Colombian group would support free trade with the US.

Indeed, Clinton always has been a free-trade advocate; his wife has been much more skeptical. (Given his position on trade, it might be even worth asking whether Bill Clinton -- in 2008 -- could win his party's presidential nomination.)

Carson also says that Giustra contributed money to the Clinton Foundation because he supports its initiatives combating AIDS and global warming. And regarding Dubai, "This is nothing," Carson said -- Clinton answered one phone call and his recommendation was consistent with his wife's position. 

"There is no there-there to any of these things."

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All MSNBC does is dig & 858dig for any old scrap they can use against Hillary.  How about looking at  web site:
     www.audacityofhyprocisy.com

and tell me there is nothing there to dig for.  What does Obama have on MSNBC?? Those people can't be that
ignorant.  Can they???
Does Michelle Obama agree on all of Barak's policy positions?  How come MSNBC doesn't explore that for a change?  What about McCain's barbie doll wife? What's her opinion on the issues? Do they differ?
Is Hillary still in this race?

My God, throw in the towel already.  Every day she becomes more and more irrelevant.  The only reason she gets any attention at all is her last name.

Hillary, stop making a spectacle of yourself, it's embarassing.
drip ... drip ... drip

Honestly, how can the Clinton machine throw stones at Obama and still look at themselves in the mirror?  

It's one thing having a former pastor who doesn't dictate policy positions, and another having a husband who is on the take from whomever has the money and who is paid to shill policy positions different from his wife's stated positions.  Do they ever talk to each other?  Are they really married?  

Much more of this and even Hillary will realize that she needs to step down.  
While they are trying to figure all that out, the US Postal Workers Union just endorsed Obama!
http://apwu.org/news/forthepress/pressrel080409_obama.htm

yay!
"But Clinton campaign spokesman Jay Carson -- who previously handled press for Bill Clinton -- says it's unfair to link this money with these Bill-Hillary disagreements."
--How poltically expedient these differences me thinks ...

--Actually, I think the difference is probably the difference between political posturing and political reality.  H.R. Clinton's position is merely political posturing; meanwhile W.J. Clinton's position is more closer to H.R. Clinton's actual beliefs and realitiy.  And of course in fairness, ditto for B.H. Obama.
This is exactly how the Clinton White House would operate if people are stupid enough to elect her.  Bill would make all kinds of deals, collect huge payments, while she says the opposite to the public and uses the excuse "well I don't feel the same way he does".  What a total crock.
Hillary Clinton, New York's answer to Richard Nixon
A 21st Century Richard Nixon

Why re-cycle the failed Clinton Presidency ?
His and hers impeachments ?


'...Clinton leadership a study in missteps

By JIM VANDEHEI & DAVID PAUL KUHN

The Clinton campaign has been marked by strategic missteps, financial uncertainty and personnel drama.
Photo: AP

Hillary Rodham Clinton wants voters to decide the nomination based on who can coolly and competently run the country. She had better hope they don’t study her recent campaign too closely for the answer.

Clinton has overseen two major staff shake-ups in two months. She has left a trail of unpaid bills and unhappy vendors and had to loan her own campaign $5 million to keep it afloat in January. Her campaign badly underestimated her main adversary, Barack Obama, miscalculated the importance of organizing caucus states and was caught flat-footed after failing to lock up the nomination on Super Tuesday.

It would be easy to dismiss all of this as fairly conventional political stumbling — if she hadn’t made her supreme readiness and managerial competence the central issue of her presidential campaign.  

But since she has, a growing number of Democrats are comparing the Clinton and Obama campaigns — their first real exercise in executive leadership — and rendering harsh assessments of her stewardship.

In twin columns in Tuesday’s Washington Post, left-of-center columnists Peter Beinart and E.J. Dionne Jr. condemned Clinton’s overall management of the campaign and inability to build a durable message and infrastructure. It’s a common theme in Democratic circles these days.


“Any time you are involved in a long campaign, there are going to be major substantive and procedural gaffes,” says former Democratic Rep. David Bonior, an uncommitted superdelegate who served as the campaign manager to John Edwards. “The question is how a campaign handles those gaffes and how a candidate handles them. And I think it’s fair to say that Sen. Obama has handled [his] problems better than Sen. Clinton.”

Obama can rightly claim he has run a more consistent, disciplined and technologically savvy campaign. While Clinton has blown though nearly a half-dozen campaign slogans and failed to put concerns about her credibility to rest, he has clung to essentially the same leadership and governing message he outlined in his 2004 speech at the Democratic convention. There has been little drama inside his operation — or at least if there was, it has been kept largely concealed.

“In every campaign, the strategy is important and the day-to-day management is important. And in Obama’s case, it’s hard not to argue that they have run a great campaign,” said Steve Elmendorf, deputy campaign manager for Kerry’s 2004 bid and a Clinton supporter. “It’s been one of the best-run presidential campaigns in the last 20 years. I think they are focused and disciplined and on message. … The test of a good campaign is having a plan and keeping an operation on track to execute a plan.”

Put simply, Obama has shown he can offer a compelling vision, execute a complicated strategy to convey it and, all the while, keep the ledger in the black. That’s not a bad first step to becoming a strong leader...'

You GO GIRL !!
Bill will help you be co-President !!
You can 'earn' your own $109 Million !!
This is just wacky!!! Or s this genius???  Bill can say that he is for these money makers for the family while Hillary says she doesn't agree with him and keep an inside track of influnece.  This kind of reminds me of their supposed conflict when he pardoned the 11 FALN Members in 1999 before he left office.  They are pretty slippery.  I don't trust them for one split second.
And her administration will be a continuation of his agenda and policies of what he wants to do. They have even stated so much. In fact, Bill himself stated "we can do the things I didn't get to finish or do!" People are stupid if they vote for this woman. She clearly says one thing at the moment, and at a different moment, she retracts what she had said earlier. She's been busted with video tape of her supporting and pushing NAFTA. What more evidence do people need? Bill is correct, it is a fairy tale and alright, a fairy tale that she will champion for the average Joe! She has big business and dollar signs written all over her.....
It sure looks like North Carolina is going to be a huge landslide for Obama. I wouldn't doubt he takes Hillary by 25% points or greater in NC. This followed a close one in PA and a split or a closer win for Obama in Indiana should pretty well wrap it up for Obama. And all these arguements on here of Hillary vs. Obama will be mote. Bill can go back to speaking and making his millions trying to garnish trade deals. Hillary can go back to....well.....wherever.  
Quite frankly, Bill Clinton will have a TREMENDOUS amount of influence if he ends up back in the White House, even as First Gentleman.  

And quite frankly, why on EARTH would you want someone as powerful as Bill Clinton, basically serving the number 2 position as co-vice-president in the White House, working to pass measures exactly OPPOSITE of what the President wants to pass?

Like most of the Clinton's convoluted arguments, that just doesn't make sense.  
Thank you Mark (and Chuck) for asking the basic question surrounding these disagreements, which is the Clintons have not been vetted on how Hillary would conduct foreign policy in the White House with a spouse ex-President who is making millions of dollars by by fiduciary roles in international deals involving foreign governments and multinational corporations. This is not only a debate Dems need to have but the also the general electorate, as with a Hillary White House we would be in uncharted waters when it comes to foreign policy.
Hillary, now you find it convenient to distance yourself from Bill. In the first place you were riding his coat tail and your candidacy is based on his credentials.
Now that you're running on your own person - and you have none - you can forget about my vote and millions of others that have been hoping Bill comes back to the WH.
This is exactly one of the problems with a Clinton Presidency. When he speaks, the world listens. When she speaks, the world listens. When they say different things - we are all confused.

Can you imagine 4 years of this stuff!
It's impossible for her to distance herself ideological when she has financially benefitted from these deals. She and Bill are joined at the pocketbook (see: Tax Returns). It's nice to know that the blood money from union-busting Columbians has her neck-deep in pantsuits.

Frankly, this is a human rights outrage that extends well beyond "trade deals." Hillary cannot dissasociate herself from this in any way and I am glad that MSNBC has pointed that out.

It's one thing to disagree about intangibles, like religion. It's quite another to disagree about tangible realities, like your bank account increasing millions of dollars because of what your spouse does that you SAY you dislike.

Following the Hillary logic-rabbithole, actions are more important than words. In this case, her actions are that of a woman who has financially benefitted from these deals.

I don't see her filing for divorce or refusing Bill's dirty money.

So this is an insult to peoples' intelligence. Really.

And tell the families of the four hundred dead Columbians who tried to organize but failed under Uribe, with a little help from his friends, that Hillary Clinton isn't part of this because she SAYS she opposes it. Yeah, that won't fly.

Another union just endorsed Barack Obama today, by the way. The American Postal Workers. Unions "get" this. I hope the American public also sees the greed and hypocrisy that drives this.
Excellent article. Eye opener for all educated people if they willing to realize how the politicians ply the games.Watch out thier activites when you elect a candidate.
For Sale. Large track of land sitting between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, bordering Canada and Mexico. Minor out parcels in Pacific Rim and Caribbean will be included at no additional cost. Primary residents is near Potomac River in a nice downtown setting. Governing body can be easily controlled using cash donations printed at will. Also includes a gold reserve with a mystery value.
Hillary, is anything you say credible?  U always say one thing, then come to find out its mispoken, or not u Bill, seems you'll say anything to get votes!  sometimes facing the truth and being honest gets u further.  i would think this piece of factual advice you would already realize, us Americans have a tendancy to judge, however, once we get over the shock of whatever it is we are normally forgiving!

Mrs.  Clinton, your problem in this race is you continue with the lies and deceit and dont credit us Americans with the brains to figure out just what u are doing...

Pull yourself togther!

Pulling for Obama 08'
As usual the Clintons are trying to have it both ways.  Agree when it's convenient, disagree when votes are jeopardized.  
Go Obama '08
Joint Return means explaining how Bill Clinton will "influence" Hillary if elected on issues she disagrees with.  She should of raised concerns of how her Husband's support of these issues may compromise her as a candidate and eventually as President.  Instead it seems she enjoyed the fruits of his speech's and lobbying but does not want any of the pits.
you people are so sick,   hillery is the one running,   not bill,  and people have different   thoughts,    but you peop;e are so for obama, you cant see the facts.   so vote for him and let him destroy our country, serves  you right,  but IF he wins,  i pray not,    what will you have to talk about after you cant hit at hillery,  and make up lies about her any more.   sick dumb people.        go hillery
The article mentioned what Clinton did for Kazachstan, but didn't get into the greater part of the deal:  As the head of the Clinton Global Initiative, Clinton flew with a financier from Canada to Kazachstan, where the dictator was starting to lose power due to a poor economy.

Clinton brokered a deal between the dictator and the financier whereby the financier bought rights to uranium to be mined in kazachstan.  The dictator's power base was bolstered and the financier is now dealing in uranium.  For his troubles, the Global Initiative recieved millions of dollars from the financier.

Movement toward Democracy crushed in its infancy, trouble stirred up between Kazachstan and Russia, dangerous Uranium on the market, and Bill Clinton's foundation makes boat loads of money.

I think that the Clinton justification for stuff like this is that by putting the dirty money toward good works, the negative effects are somehow nullified.  This is not true.  

It's not about "disagreements" between the Clintons, it's about them taking advantage of the huge ower vacuums left by our Government abdicating responsibility in the world:  effectively setting up their own trade agreements.  

Now, there's a "two-fer" for ya.
I see hillary clintons words now as trash, cos their tax income declaration was both marged (husband and wife) and as the clintons family. the money bill got from the: And as already mentioned today, the New York Post reported that Bill earned $800,000 in speaking fees from a group supporting the Colombian trade agreement :

Is gotten from the same place, thesame husband and wife. what are they trying to decieve people, cos it has come for presidential election and they are trying to play a game to suite Hillary, who has been claiming credit from Bill Clinton. this ia all trash. they are all on oneside. and has thesame mentality, they have been sharing
KEY POINT: Part of the $5 million Hillary lent her campaign came from joint marital income generated by deals in opposition to her stated policy positions.
HRC has a campaign FULL of lobbyist.  She is also MARRIED to a lobbyist.

So how, can she look America in the eyes and claim that she has the best interest of US, when she has soooooooo many personal ties to soooooooo many lobbyist?


The Clintons must REALLY think we are stupid.


Guess they were wrong this time.


More delegates.
More states.
Mores votes.


Obama 08

If anyone at FirstRead has any pull, tell someone to fix your video links for goodness sake. I have tried over the past three hours and not one works! They just roll through to the next one, then the next, and none of them play. Please fix it!
So what ... they are both liars with no honesty, no integrity, no morale, and more than willing to tear apart the Democratyic Party if they could just win. But .... they will NOT.
all the trade deals are designed to benefit corporations that own this country, the columbia deal is no different, both the clintons benefit monetarily from these agreements, anyone that thinks hillary is truly against any of them is just plain silly
The next 2 weeks are going to have most Hillary supporters switching to Obama as the truth about both of them becomes clear and resolves itself with America.  Obama has a lot of good ideas and his message and desire to better this nation will drive a lot of good things as president even if we don't get everything he wants and we need.  Hillary in the White House will destroy this nation and sell us out to anyone who will give her money or power.  No wonder she is still married to Bill Clinton.

It seems like everything she has said since the start of the campaign has been a lie.  35 years of experience... yeah right.
Bip Bam thank you maam, that's Bill.

A former President of the US, running around selling out seniors, American workers, and American interests, with every shady character he can find to which, to sell his soul. Kazakhstan's President Nazarbayev has a horrific human rights record. The Columbians are oppressors of their workers as well. Bill uses his influence, that we gave him, and betrays everything Americans stand for, by crawling across the globe, making millions, advocating for these rejects of humanity. He's striped of his law degree, so he's using it under the table, to make dirty money with these predators.

To my mind, the man is a traitor. Yet Hillary continues to stay with him. I don't trust him. I don't trust her. Vultures of a feather......

For everyone that hates on news stations for not saying enough good things about your candidate, let me say this: MSNBC, CNN, ETC... Don't owe you anything except information. Most of which you cherry pick anyway.


Ever stop to think that these folks "KNOW" you're candidate in ways you can't, mainly because IT'S THEIR JOB. I understand they are always to be "unbiased" but that's ideal. The Clintons, in particular, are getting the come uppins for the high hand they've been dealing from all this time.

Wait till G.W is a civillian (please, it can't be soon enuff) If he's EVER in front of the media...watch what they do to him
CHILDREN KNOW THE TRUTH!

I see that when children (ages 8-9) who have a knack for looking into people's eyes and seeing their soul are asked if they would vote for Hillary, Obama or McCain of the 14 children randomly asked 8 stated they would pick McCain, 6 stated Obama, and 0 stated Hillary.

When asked why they voted the way they did the children stated that they felt sorry for McCain because of his white hair and he seemed old. That they thought Obama felt happy and that made them feel good, and that Hillary seemed mad like she wanted to blame someone for something all the time even when she tried to smile. Some children even noted a degree of fear when watching Hillary.

Forget all the arguements about policies and programs. Many voters who see the same thing as do the kids (but would never admit it) will vote based on these feelings. And once Hillary is out and McCain has the opportunity to lose that famous temper of his now and again during the general election the fear that we children felt for Hillary will also be felt more so for McCain so that Obama will gain votes thereby taking the lead at the time of the general election.
What utter nonsense.  Didn't HIllary say the reason she voiced support for NAFTA in the 90s was because she was helping Bill?  And now he can't do the same?  No, it's because they want to be everything to everyone.  What will they do in office?  Who knows.  They don't want you to know.  Just elect them and they'll tell you later.
Its clear that she isn't going to win so just leave. Everyday the Clintons and McCain just look older and less trustworthy, while Obama looks refreshing and brand new.
Obama/Richardson 08
Bill has been a liability all along. Geesh. She should have divorced his behind when he left office. Wow, I can't believe this. Hillary what are you doing?
If this happened in any corporation--Bill would be fired.
Hillary Clinton as president would obviously not be anything like Bill Clinton as President.  This is the proof right here.
i elliott corvallis oregon 97330 (Sent Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:48 PM):

i elliott:

If you don't think you are getting Bill Clinton as a major player, advisor, as well as decider in the Whitehouse if Hillary were to win the nomination and election I'm sure the Clinton's have plenty of swamp land in Columbia that they would love to sell you as well. If Hillary were to win the election this would not be a Hillary administration but rather another Clinton administration. You know it. We all know it.
"you people are so sick,   hillery is the one running,   not bill,  and people have different   thoughts,    but you peop;e are so for obama, you cant see the facts.   so vote for him and let him destroy our country, serves  you right,  but IF he wins,  i pray not,    what will you have to talk about after you cant hit at hillery,  and make up lies about her any more.   sick dumb people.        go hillery"

- i elliott corvallis oregon

First, sentences (and I'm being generous here), start with a capital letter.

Second, your candidates name is Hillary, not hillery.

Third, if you are going to make a conclusion, such as "vote for him [Obama} and let him destroy this country," support it with some sort of evidence in the form of an argument.

Fourth, Hillary certainly has independent thoughts and may well differ in her goals and opinions than former President Bill Clinton does, but you missed the point.  The operative words in this argument are "former President."  As such, despite any differences in opinion, Bill Clinton will have a huge influence over the decisions made in a Hillary Clinton Administration.  With opposing forces at work in every policy decision, not much will be accomplished and the people will have no idea where their leader actually stands.

Thank you and good day.

As a side note, if anyone lives in the vicinity of Corvallis Oregon, please give generously to your schools.  Something seems to be lacking.
Does Michelle Obama agree on all of Barak's policy positions is not the question. What if the husband makes millions of profits for THEIR bank account from the same country his wife is speaking out against, does she still not benefit from THEIR account?
it's unfair for anyone to think that Obama doesn't have problems in his campaign, reporters will not talk about it, because it's all about the money, just ask Cnn, and you are next, people are not dumb we all know exactly what's going on, and the american people who don't know, are just plain stupid, how sad. we now all about the lobbist, and raatings, why isn't he still at Cnn
Hillary campaigns on the economic good times of the Clinton administration yet she disagrees with Bill on trade---Hmmmm---maybe, just maybe, Hillary wasn't a part of bringing about those economic good times.  Another claim to experience done away with!
To Uchenna:

The only people trying to deceive you are those in the media. What you should be outraged at...what everyone should be outraged at is that the press is doing this country a huge disservice by making the decision to go after Hillary Clinton and do everything they can to paint Obama as saint like. Even if you are an Obama supporter you should be appalled at the bias on display each and everyday in the media... MSNBC is probably one of the worst in my opinion.
Many in the MSM have already come forward to condemn their fellow colleagues for their outright bias....but it continues. It wasn’t enough for Chris Matthews to be chastised by Tom Brokaw on national television as he too continues to openly cheer on Obama. This display of such unfair bias reporting is the media at its worst. People everywhere should take notice...this county does not have a fair and free press and that is shameful.  


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Not only does Hillary take a ton of money from lobbyists...she's MARRIED to a PAID LOBBYIST.  Bill Clinton is an extremely well-paid lobbyist!!!  And not only is he Hillary's main surrogate, but it's been implied that he would have a part in running the whitehouse.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
America is in TROUBLE. I have never seen such spiteful people in my life.  The misinformation that you Hillary HATERS believe is just sad. First all the posts about how Hillary only parrots her husband's ideas and we don't want Bill back in the White House but when she disagrees with him it's how wrong it is she can have an opinion of her own.

There really should be better rules for people who want to vote! For example before a person votes they should fill out a true or false form in regards to what is accurate or what is inaccurate in regards to candidates policies and beliefs. If they answer the majority wrong they should NOT be able to vote.

So it is quite possible that some of this money could have gone towards the $5M loan that Sen Clinton gave to her campaign. So now you essentially have foreign doners to a presidential campaign.
Since Bill and Hill file joint tax returns, half of any money he gets from God knows who, is hers.  Talk about a conflict of interest!  This is what a Clinton White House would be like...having it both ways.
If they disagree so much, then why is he out there campaigning for her saying she'd make the best president.  Whatever Bill did and got paid for is how they both truly feel; whatever she is saying now is just that - what she is saying to get elected.  This couple's opinion on issues simply depends on which side is paying more today!
you people are so sick,   hillery is the one running,   not bill,  and people have different   thoughts,    but you peop;e are so for obama, you cant see the facts.   so vote for him and let him destroy our country, serves  you right,  but IF he wins,  i pray not,    what will you have to talk about after you cant hit at hillery,  and make up lies about her any more.   sick dumb people i elliott corvallis oregon 97330

We see the facts, which is why we are for Obama.  You are the sick, dumb person because you do not or do not want to see the facts.  My advice to you is to wise-up.


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