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The Clintons' policy differences, part II

Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:18 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray
Following our earlier report of policy disagreements between Bill and Hillary Clinton -- over NAFTA, the Colombian free trade deal, boycotting the Beijing Olympics' opening ceremony, and torture -- there are a couple more disagreements we forgot to mention.

One, Bill Clinton, as the New York Times reported earlier this year, supported Kazakhstan President Nazarbayev's bid to head Europe's Organization for Security and Cooperation -- while the US government and Hillary Clinton opposed it.

Two, Bill Clinton advised leaders in the United Arab Emirates on how to quell US opposition (including from his wife) to the port takeover by Dubai Ports World. At the time, a Clinton spokesman said that Bill's advice had involved just one phone call, and that he agreed with his wife that state-owned companies shouldn't own US ports.

Considering those two additional examples, the Clinton campaign might confront this question from critics: How do you explain some of Bill's financial ties to these disagreements?

As the Times reported, the Canadian mining capitalist Frank Giustra gave (or pledged to give) the Clinton Foundation a combined $131 million, which came after Bill accompanied Giustra to Kazakhstan, where Clinton issued his support for Nazarbayev and where Giustra afterwards won a lucrative mining contract.

Bill didn't earn any money when he advised the UAE regarding the Dubai Ports World controversy. But he has raked in hundreds of thousands of dollars by giving speeches in Dubai, and Dubai contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to his presidential library.

And as already mentioned today, the New York Post reported that Bill earned $800,000 in speaking fees from a group supporting the Colombian trade agreement.

But Clinton campaign spokesman Jay Carson -- who previously handled press for Bill Clinton -- says it's unfair to link this money with these Bill-Hillary disagreements. Regarding the Colombian speech, Carson notes that Clinton supported the trade agreement well before he ever gave the speech. Clinton's support "had nothing to do with his speech," he said, adding it shouldn't be surprising that a Colombian group would support free trade with the US.

Indeed, Clinton always has been a free-trade advocate; his wife has been much more skeptical. (Given his position on trade, it might be even worth asking whether Bill Clinton -- in 2008 -- could win his party's presidential nomination.)

Carson also says that Giustra contributed money to the Clinton Foundation because he supports its initiatives combating AIDS and global warming. And regarding Dubai, "This is nothing," Carson said -- Clinton answered one phone call and his recommendation was consistent with his wife's position. 

"There is no there-there to any of these things."

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Former US President to the highest bidder for speaking, lobbying and fundraising for your country.  Foreign government stance on Western democracy philosophy and human rights policies not an issue.  US and western stance on your foreign positions is irrelevant.  Will work for YOU in the US and in whichever country you'll need services.  US President comes with high paying investors who share president's laizze faire views.  We DO NOT Judge!

Now come on people.  Do we really think Hillary is completely immune to all this when the Clinton Foundation, which is hers too, gets so much money?  I'm a tad suspicious to say the least.
Unfreakin believable that none (and I repeat NONE) of Sen. Clinton's supporters find any of this nod, nod, wink, wink stuff by Bill and Hillary disturbing.  
you people are so sick,   hillery is the one running,   not bill,  and people have different   thoughts,    but you peop;e are so for obama, you cant see the facts.   so vote for him and let him destroy our country, serves  you right,  but IF he wins,  i pray not,    what will you have to talk about after you cant hit at hillery,  and make up lies about her any more.   sick dumb people.        go hillery
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So I assume it's fair to use this SAME argument concerning Obama and Rev. Wright? Barack is the one running, NOT Rev. Wright.  Gotcha!
I don't necessarily feel that it is right to criticize Hillary for Bill's stand on many of the issues,  EXCEPT for those people who are supporting Hillary in hopes of a dual presidency and a return to the 1990s.  It's those individuals who will need to carefully consider both of the Clintons' stands on the various issues.  

Though Hillary is not my candidate of choice, I have no doubt that she would stand her ground and her policies would reflect her beliefs and not Bill's.  On the other hand, I'm concerned that  what she says her policies would be while running for President, could be different than the path she would take as President.
When will the Clintons just "go away", stay home, and count all the money hey swindle through crooked deals and speeches that relate to Bill's successful and interesting past?  It seems to me that we have had enough... just think of the qualities that Hillary has demonstrated during these primaries. The Hillary "CLINTON" qualities or virtues:
"C"orruption (never proven, but always suspected)
"L"ying (undisputable)
"I"nconsistency (a matter of fact)
"N"egativity (we all see it)
"T"enacity (A good virtue, if channelled right?)
"O"verstatements (her alibi for outright lies)
"N"astiness (in this context she is world class)

Obama offers Inspiration and Hope and Change and so many things that this country desparately needs to "turn the page". While his opponents question his experience and jump on some flaw in his history or campaign, he is the only candidate that has maintained consistency and has done a terrfic job managing his campaign. His inexeperience is overstated, but where he has made judgements they have been "spot on". The mark of a great leader is to surround him/her self with knowledgeable, capable, loyal people who are inspied by their leader. Think about it and so the comparison....
it is simple guys. He is new Mr 10% like Zardari was Ms Bhutto in Pakistan when she was PM. HC takes tougher stand in public to force people to retain BC for $ to soften her stand. It her way of developing a piggy back.
Thank you Chuck,Mark. We thank you to be our eyes and ears. Your efforts has made us able to judge who will be the best choice to be President.  Who is the best for American people.  We need a President to tell us the truth.  Not by telling us they care about American people/blue collar (what we want to hear) and then turn around making profit for themselves.

justwannaknow - Michelle Obama didn't get rich off of any positions that she might have disagreed with her husband about.  Hillary did quite well with an income of over $1,000,000, partially due to her husband's "differing points of view."  You can be very sure of Bill Clinton's influence on policy in this country should Hillary get elected.  
To everyone who's complaining that they're focusing on what Bill has done or said.  Lets remember that all or at least most of you are happy to have the former president back in the White House.  As many have mentioned before, if Hillary is elected President, it'll be considered a "co-presidency" with Bill Clinton.

Now that all of this stuff is coming out, most Hillary supporters are trying to distance her from her husband.  Finally, there is a conflict of interest or at least it looks like on the surface when your husband is collecting millions of dollars and advocating for something while his wife is just "saying" that she opposes free trade.  Are they "just words?"
To Rick, KY & C A, Tuscaloosa, AL

Just a compliment to the two of you for your always wonderfully, thoughtout comments from your neighbor in Tennessee!  
From: JustWannaKnow! (Sent Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:28 PM)
Does Michelle Obama agree on all of Barak's policy positions?  How come MSNBC doesn't explore that for a change?
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There is a HUGE difference between the newsworthiness of what Michelle and Barack Obama agree or disagree on, and what Hillary and Bill Clinton agree or disagree on.  The difference is, that Hillary's spouse is a former president of the US, who will no doubt carry a great amount of influence in a Clinton administration.  In fact, many people actually refer to the Democratic race as between Obama and "The Clintons" rather than Obama vs. "Hillary" Clinton.

I'm sure that Gov. Schwarzenneger of California, and his wife, Maria Shriver of the Kennedy clan don't see eye-to-eye on many issues.  However, since she has never held elective office, let alone governor, these differences are no more newsworthy than any supposed differences between Barack and Michelle (or between me and my wife for that matter).

I can not believe that so many people are falling for this.  No body notices that only policy differences that put Hillary in a good light are being released to the press?  They are setting it up so that she can answer the whole NAFTA thing in the debates to where she can say,"My husband I disagreed on a lot of things...like NAFTA."  I'm not an expert, but isn't this obvious to all you professinals?  Show me a major policy difference or two where it puts Hillary in a not-so-good light and I MIGHT start believing in her true beliefs as well as his.
Everyday another drama. And she thought that Obama would fold..
ha ha ha
She is folding like an ez-chair. She is so disgraceful. Lie, lie, lie....

And she lied about the throwing of her so called back pack on MLK day as well
Does anyone remember back packs in 1968???
I'm so frustrated with Hillary, and her supporters, claiming media bias against her. It's like a crook blaiming the cops when they get caught. The media bends over backwards for her! She gets a superdelegate, it's all over the news and headlined on news sites. Obama can get three and barely a mention here and there. For a week, one or two news blogs have talked about Bill Clinton's extensive work in favor of the Columbia trade deal. Yet, I never heard that mentioned on MSNBC news shows. I was even beginning to wonder if it was real until one site showed past news articles from 2007 from his trip to latin America. Many news 'analysts' proclaimed that Penn was fired for his Columbian Trade work. But you have to listen to the exact words from a Clinton. He actually was demoted, not as soothing to Hillary supporters, and not as publicized in the press. It was the same thing with Shaheen from New York, her co-chair, when he tried to drum up lies about Obama and the Clintons proclaimed loudly and often that he had "stepped down". When the news person would say, he was fired or resigned, the Clintons would nod and say he did step down voluntarily. He stayed on the campaign through the New York and other northeast primaries in a different title! We've had eight years of an administration that repeatedly lies to the country. Do we really need another administration just like Bush's? If you fact check the Clinton's claims against Obama, you find unbiased sites correcting those claims. While you're at it fact check her claims on all the wonderful things she's done and you'll find that the truth is far different from the spin! Fact check Obama and you often find out that he doesn't tell about all his accomplishments. Look up Obama endorsement sometime. I did trying to find out one person's name and was stunned at the diverse list of endorsements, many from the Clinton white house era, who have endorsed Obama! I'm for the candidate that wants to restore the constitution and transparency in government, and is honest to a fault! That's what we need after Bush/Clinton/Bush regimes!
For those of you who say, "At least with Hillary, we know what we're getting".  Yes, I know what we're getting and I don't want it.  

Obama is new and not fully vetting, but with the choices offered, I'm willing to take my chances.

If Obama's wife had this kind of Bill baggage instead of on campaign remark gaffe and a 23 year-old thesis, I'd be very concerned.
Pathetic attempt to clarify a position.  Should have been done last year.  Should have run as her own person.  Should have divorced the fella long ago.  The pattern I see is of someone who really doesn't know what she's doing.  Might be super smart, I believe she is, doesn't know how to lead or manage.
Bill Clinton LOBBIES and GETS PAID to support these people/governments/positions.  That money is part of what Hillary is using to fund her campaign.  Tell me how that is not relevant in deciding whether to vote for her.  If Colombia and Kazakhstan and the United Arab Emirates are FUNDING Hillary's run for the White House (through payments and contributions to Bill), who gets to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom this time?!?!?
This is the greatest conflict of interest of our time. I can't believe that press is acting as if this is nothing.  Imagine a CEO, who's second in command, went and did the opposite of what she told him to do.  In the real world, the CEO would be looking for a new second in command.

Unbelievable
Re:  the Colombian free trade deal and Bill Clinton's involvement with Kazakstan --- I think you've missed the most important points.

Egregious as Mark Penn’s conflict of interest was in lobbying for the passage of a Colombia-U.S. free-trade agreement which Senator Clinton opposes --- while managing her presidential campaign --- it pales next to what Bill Clinton did to secure a Kazakhstan uranium mining contract for his benefactor, Canadian mining financier Frank Giusta.

As the New York Times has amply documented [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&emc=eta1&oref=slogin], on September 6, 2005, Mr. Giusta flew Mr. Clinton to Almaty, Kazakhstan, for a private banquet with Kazakhstan’s President Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, a strongman known for corruption, electoral fraud and intimidation, the silencing of political dissent and his government’s control of the news media.  At the banquet, Mr. Clinton enthusiastically supported President Nazarbayev’s bid to head the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), an organization that monitors elections and supports democracy.  Following the banquet, and notwithstanding Mr. Giustra’s sheer inexperience with mining in Kazakhstan , the state-owned uranium agency Kazatomprom awarded him an exclusive contract.  Mr. Giustra, in turn, made a $31.3 million donation to the William J. Clinton Foundation, and pledged another $100 million.  He subsequently produced a 60th birthday party for Mr. Clinton which raised another $21 million for the Clinton Foundation.

Like Mark Penn’s dealings on behalf of the Colombians, Mr. Clinton’s dealings on behalf of Mr. Giustra undercut --- for his own personal gain --- Senator Clinton’s position on the propriety of Kazakhstan ’s bid to head the OSCE, which she had previously argued, quite emphatically in a letter to the State Department, was unacceptable, given Kazakhstan ’s poor human rights record.  But even more importantly, Mr. Clinton’s “private diplomacy” undermined American foreign policy, which flatly opposed Kazakhstan ’s bid to chair the OSCE.

Isn’t it likewise time for Mr. Clinton to resign from Senator Clinton’s campaign?  This isn’t merely an academic inquiry.  Kazatomprom’s chief has since met with Mr. Clinton and Mr. Giustra at Mr. Clinton’s Chappaqua home --- although both men initially denied it --- to discuss Kazakhstan ’s intention to buy a 10 percent stake in Westinghouse, a U.S. supplier of nuclear technology.  And Mr. Clinton also advised Dubai , under a $40 million contract, how to handle the political firestorm that ensued when a Dubai company sought to take over several American ports.  Senator Clinton, like many others on the Hill, raised the national security concerns that killed the deal.  Moreover, the Clintons ’ tax returns reveal that they made $15 million from Yucaipa, which manages the financial portfolio of Dubai ’s ruler, Emir Mohammed bin Rashed al-Maktoum --- known for his aggressive boycotts of Israel and citations by the State Department for human rights violations.  How much of the Clintons ’ Yucaipa earnings come from the Emir, and what did they do to earn them?

Mr. Clinton’s history of lucrative post-presidency “private deals and diplomacy” raises serious conflict-of-interest issues, as well as questions about their quids pro quo.  That’s why it’s imperative, at the very least, that the Clintons disclose the names of all donors and amounts contributed to the William J. Clinton Foundation and Presidential Library, so that we can get a sense --- now --- of what favors a Hillary Clinton Administration might owe them, and how their contributions might shape American domestic and foreign policy, regardless of Candidate Clinton’s current positions while on the campaign trail.  
Hey Lay Off Bill

Don't you know that Colombia is the number one importer of blue dresses and if Billary gets in those interns will be lined up.
I LOVE MSNBC you report the truth no matter who it is. One day you are telling the truth about Obama and the next Clinton. Obama is not in the news that much because he is not as awful as Hillary. Everyday she hangs herself more and more. If I didn't dislike her so much right now I would feel sorry for her.
Bill is advising on how Dubai can counter the same congress that Hillary is a part of?  None of you Hil-Raisers see a problem with that?  It's one thing to diagree, but it's another when your opponent is your spouse.
You really gotta hand it to Clinton's campaign manager by spinning this in a "different opinion' vs. a serious conflict of interest that borders on betrayal.  If americans are dumb enough to believe in Hillary after this, then they deserve such a politicians who consistently says one thing while her closest adviser, her half-vice pres., her husband, does exactly the opposite-


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