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Hillary on Hill v. Bill, more

Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:07 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones
ALIQUIPPA, Pa. -- When pressed by reporters Wednesday about the fact that she is against the Colombia Free Trade deal while her husband is for it, the New York senator said husbands and wives often disagreed on things.

Clinton also discussed former Chief Strategist Mark Penn, why she wanted President Bush to consider skipping the opening ceremony of the Olympics and repeated calls she had made earlier to President Bush to address her questions about an endgame in Iraq and allowing Congress to debate any long-term security agreement during a roughly 13-minute press conference.

On the Colombia trade deal and disagreeing with her husband: "I have been a consistent and strong opponent of the Colombian Free Trade Agreement. I voted against CAFTA. I voted against fast-track authority for the president. I have been calling for changes in our trade policies. I have a long record of having a different attitude toward trade than my husband does. I don't think any married couple, who I know, agrees on everything, and we disagree on this."

More: "This is a great debate. You know, there are two sides to this issue. It's not 100 to nothing. I believe that the weight of the evidence, clearly in my view, supports my decision not to support the Colombia Free Trade Agreement. But, you know, very credible people, who care deeply about the country, and who have a commitment to work for working people in this country, have a different view."

She said she had not asked the former president not to speak publicly about his own views.

When asked about whether her connection to Mark Penn could hurt her with working class voters, she said she didn't believe it would.

"I don't see why it should, you know, my position is clear,” she said. “I'm on the record. I have been for quite some time. I've already taken votes that are very indicative of that record. I have a long history of supporting working people and families and a lot of great support from unions here in Pennsylvania and across the country and, you know, there wasn't any connection between my campaign and what he did in his independent business capacity. And if you contrast that, with what Mr. [Austan] Goolsbee who went to the Canadian government on behalf of the Obama campaign did, I think, it's quite stark. So I believe that we took appropriate action."

Clinton said Penn's firm continued to provide polling and advice, but he was no longer the chief strategist, and she did not answer a question about whether it would be good to sever ties with him.

On the Olympics: She said she was not of the view that the Olympic torch should not be run in America.

"I think you've got to separate out the Olympic movement, to an international sporting event that is hosted every two years,” she said, adding, “And that's why what I've called for is a government to government response. I believe that the President should not attend the opening ceremonies, because that is giving a seal of approval by our United States government. Unless until the Chinese government take actions to deal more forthrightly with their human rights' challenges, to begin to lift the oppression on the Tibetans and restore a cultural and religious freedom, work with the rest of the international community to try to resolve the genocide in Darfur. And on these matters, the Chinese government has to change. And that is what I believe the President should be looking for and using the pressure of his not attending the opening ceremonies as a means to exert some leverage on the Chinese government."

On the close race in Pennsylvania and Obama outspending her: "I've always believed this was going to be a close race,” she said. “Clearly Sen. Obama is investing an enormous amount of time and money in Pennsylvania, so he is running full speed toward April 22nd. He's outspending me maybe, two- or three-to-one in the state."

Clinton declined to answer a question about whether her daughter made a better surrogate than her husband, saying she felt she had two great surrogates and only hoped to amass the economic record that her husband had.

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Every day, it becomes more difficult to blame George Bush, Dick Cheney and comrades for their seven years (and counting) of crimes, corruption and destruction of our political values. Think about it this way: if you were a high government official and watched as -- all in a couple of weeks time -- it is revealed, right out in the open, that you suspended the Fourth Amendment, authorized torture, proclaimed yourself empowered to break the law, and sent the nation's top law enforcement officer to lie blatantly about how and why the 9/11 attacks happened so that you could acquire still more unchecked spying power and get rid of lawsuits that would expose what you did, and the political press in this country basically ignored all of that and blathered on about Obama's bowling score and how he eats chocolate, Fact checking Clinton's stump speech and what was said on Saturday Night Live last night,wouldn't you also conclude that you could do anything you want, without limits, and know there will be no consequences? What would be the incentive to stop doing all of that? When are all of you so-called Democrats gonna wake up and stop this childish back and forth name calling and focus on what is happening RIGHT NOW in America and what we can do to stop it because it really doesnt matter who the Democratic nominee is if this administration has done what it wants to do before they are gone. Stop being mindless sheep! Oh and I know you won't post this msnbc because you refuse to post anything I have to say. Maybe I should call Obama supporters morons or bring up Monica Lewinsky.Would that get me on here? You guys are like fox news for liberals. You are no better than they are.
And does ANYONE think she doesn't enjoy the MONEY her husband receives for his views of the free trade agreement?  Hillary is pulling the wool over the eyes of her supporters and laughing all the way to the bank! She's in the PERFECT position. She can SAy she's against it and still benefit from it! We ALL should be so lucky! I still want to know if this news IS news to the PA voters. Hopefully it will close the gap to zero and Obama will pull an upset in PA!
As an AlsoRan Ms. Clinton's views and desires have no real importantce.
This whole thing just stinks.  I don't know if Bill has any influence with Hillary or not, but this just look bad.
QUESTION:  If she is against CAFTA, and Bill is for CAFTA, whose advice is she going to take if she is President if NOT her husband?
"She said she had not asked the former president not to speak publicly about his own views. "

Well I doubt her campaign has the money for her to pay for such a speech at this point. LOL
Yawnnnnnnnnnn!!

Obama 08
Any bets between you guys on how this dribble will play in Pennsylvania? I know where I'd lay my money.
Chuck, why is it that important to report on their disagreements? I am sure you disagree with Mark Murray on so many things. But in the case of the Clintons, it is apparent that their disagreements have to do more with political expediency. They should have kept their disagreements to themselves or be perceived as trying to win votes by means of political posturing.
"She said she had not asked the former president not to speak publicly about his own views. "

Ha!  Fat Chance of that happening.  When he's in the spotlight, he has absolutely NO IDEA when to shut up.  (See: South Carolina Primary)
Hillary will say anything to get elected.  Now we see more proof.  

She "opposes" free trade with Columbia because that's what the polls tell her to say this week. Pretty hard to believe when her husband and her top people are working for it in the background though.  

Not that Hillary would ever lie, of course.
"On the Colombia trade deal and disagreeing with her husband:"
--I have to notice that on the disagreements that she always takes the 'correct' position and Bill always takes the 'wrong' position.  At least according to the Democratic voters.

--I'm trying to think of an example where Clinton stands up for something not popular with her base.  Merit pay for teachers comes to mind first for me with Obama.  Perhaps somebody has some insights into this.
The problem with this is that Bill will continue to pursue lucrative questionable deals and this is the type of conflict of interest and influence that is not needed in American government.  His potential role has never been defined and this is quite disturbing to the public.  There are tremendous possibilities of scandals that lerk around the corner and the Clinton's continue to draw that upon themselves.  What is most disturbing is that everything that happens to them and their lot in life is somehow the 'other guy's fault'- it was Paula ?, Monica, Whitewater, Rosewood, Travelgate, and now NAFTA-GATE, Columbia Free-Trade (CAFTA), and this doesn't even capture the number of 'misspeaks' about Northern Ireland or Bosnia.  The problem is that the Clinton's lack MORAL VALUES and INTEGRITY.  They are smart people(politicians) who can do a good job, but at the end of the day, it is only about them.
"And if you contrast that, with what Mr. [Austan] Goolsbee who went to the Canadian government on behalf of the Obama campaign did, I think, it's quite stark. So I believe that we took appropriate action.""

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There she goes again, distorting the facts.

Honey, your desperation is showing, time to tuck it in!!

OBAMA '08 - Yes WE Can!!


WHO IS BILL?

Bill Clinton is a LOBBYIST.

He's a very, very highly-paid lobbyist.

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WHY DO WE CARE ABOUT BILL?

Bill Clinton is Hillary's biggest 'surrogate'.

Bill is expected to have some impact on the way the whitehouse works (if clinton were president.)  ...There's been plenty of 'two-for-one' and 'co-president' innuendo.

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Not only does Hillary accept money from lobbyists, she's married to a lobbyist that's FLEECED with lobby money.  (What, do you think all the bucco-$ speeches are? just reminiscing??)

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Here you go.  Pushing debunked stories to confuse the public about who is being straight with the people.  A stark difference, yeah I'd say so.  Had Goolsby been paid nearly 1.5 mil from Canada like members of her campaign and surrogate, Obama would be out of there - as should she!
Hillary, I beg of you- just be quiet for a minute  and think about things more carefully before you speak, especially now with the race being so close.  I fear you may have just opened up a huge can of worms.  
Democrats self destruction in three . . ., two, . . . one, . . . .
So basically, Hillary's position is: "I supported all the good things Bill did, and I opposed all the bad things Bill did!"
Hillary is a pathologicl liar and this country cannot afford to have someone like her as our Commander in Chief of the greatest nation in the world.

OBAMA in 2008
This lady speaks with forked tongue!
Isn't it rich..
Send in the Clowns....
Billary's theme song...
Hilliary is a liar.  Even though she disagreed with Bill(this is only to get your vote)regarding CAFTA, she didn't refuse the $800,000 he was paid. Every day there is another lie with her.  We don't need someone like her (and Bill again) in the Whitehouse.  
How can he go out and "speak for her" when several of the main policies are at contradicting points? He says she will be a great president, yet he disagrees with her on important issues..somehow this just doesn't make sense, but this whole campaign is becoming quite a comedy of errors..November can't come fast enough.
Why has no American Press organization ran the article from Canada resolving the Obama camp of the confusion from the Canadians involving NAFTA during the Ohio Primary?
This allowed the Clintons' a greater win there.

I'm tire of Senator Clinton bashing the Obama camp with it.
She won't stop Bill from lobbying for Colombia. Obviously, as the millions he makes will go into their joint account. And this is not a complete conflict of interest????? I hope the undecideds in Pa are paying attention. Corruption will rule the WH if she gets in.
I don't why she is still in the race.

She and her husband lobbyist said prior to Texas and Ohio that these states are must-win states for her to continue.  It has turned out that it was Obama who won Texax and not her.  Chuck, why don't you remind her, her campaign, her husband and all voters as the media did not update this information clearly enough.

Thank you so that we don't have to hear from her again.
This is off the subject but didn't Sen. Clinton work for Wal-Mart in the late 70's and early 80's? This means what she did and said will be on the tapes of Wal-Mart meetings? These tapes are for sale at $250.00 an hour for researching what you want to see, and a fee for a copy.
Does anyone see a pattern here?  Hilary is constantly harping about her record (by which, of course she means Bill's record).  She can not pick and choose which of "Bill's experiences" she can claim as her own.  The only record she can really claim as her own is that she is a liar.  She will do or say anything to get elected, and she thinks the American people are too stupid to remember what she says. If she steals the nomination I will not only vote for McCain but I will also change my party.  Super delegates need to wake up and end this craziness because I am sure I am not the only person who feels this way.
I'm reallly disgusted with Hillary and her lies, it's every week, I really wonder what else she is covering up. I was for her until 2 months ago, it was then that I realized that she has about 10 sides and their all phony.  I don't trust that woman or her husband. So I'll take the man with the loud mouthed pastor..Obama is looking better and better everyday.
Democrats--if not now, WHEN?  For the first time in many years, there's a very good chance a Democrat will win the White House! Why is our own party throwing roadblocks in the way (Howard Dean, take note).
First, find a LEGAL way to count the FL and MI votes! Then, stop backbiting, Obama and Clinton! Finally, your positions are similiar on a lot of issues; whoever wins the nomination, agree to choose the other as a running mate!
HRC is a train wreck in slow motion!
By federal and state standards, a conflict of interest includes even the perception of a confict of interest; in other words, one needs to be like Caesar's wife, not like Hillary's husband.
Chuck
You clutched and missed being able to really question her. You come off sounding like you were nothing short of star struck...and she's far from a star....shame on you.
I wonder why no one is suggesting that Hillary leave or divorce her husband of 20+year? Hillary knew of her husbands involvement with Colombia Free Trade agreement before she decided to run for President. Hillary knew Penn. Hillary thought that all she needed was her name. I don't even know who she is anymore,because she has many faces,and it is confusing. Her better half is questionable. This is a trust and moral issue now. I have been taught to never tell a lie.
I wonder why no one is suggesting that Hillary leave or divorce her husband of 20+year? Hillary knew of her husbands involvement with Colombia Free Trade agreement before she decided to run for President. Hillary knew Penn. Hillary thought that all she needed was her name. I don't even know who she is anymore,because she has many faces,and it is confusing. Her better half is questionable. This is a trust and moral issue now. I have been taught to never tell a lie.
Doesn't anyone know anything about the political history of this country? NAFTA was negotiated by George H.W. Bush. Bill Clinton pledged that he would add labor and environmental standards and he did so -- in side agreements. And NAFTA actually worked well for the first several years. As Hillary Clinton has said on numerous occasions, it became clear after a few years that NAFTA was not working as well as everyone had hoped.
Several persons on the White House staff, as well as two biographers (Carl Bernstein and Sally Bidell Smith) have stated that Hillary was opposed to NAFTA from the start, and Mickey Kantor, Bill Clinton's Trade Rep has reported that he was given the task of convincing Hillary to "come on board" ... just as she bowed to Pres Clinton's wishes, he would bow to hers. No matter what anyone says, there is always only one President.
The Media -- MSNBC most egregiously -- is doing to Sen Clinton what they did to Al Gore -- and that worked out so well for us, didn't it?
I would like to know why we even mention the Clintions.  To my recolection he was impeached! Doesn't that mean any thing to anyone?  She started off her champaign with let's go back to the golden Clinton year, HA! We are still paying for them.  I thought when a president was impeached it meant they were fired? Please excuse my bad grammar and spelling because during those wonderful years I was working three jobs, to pay my husband to sit on welfare.  When he sued for custody I pointed out that he did not work and had no income and thus was not responsible that is what I remember. No Consequences.
Fascinating read "Married to a lobbyist"
If this title gets a bit of fresh air we will have a Democratic nominee before the end of this month.
It's upsetting to see all you guys are still so fierce and close-minded, you really ought to consider taking this more seriously and not treat this as supporting your favorite football team with blind faith.

The other side is not the enemy.

Personnaly, I think it's nice to see a husband and wife that are so totally involved in our government and manage to admit they have differences on some issues....most likely having differing views occasionally could end up with an excellent solution that considers both sides of an issue.

All you who enjoy hating the Clintons for some reason, consider that none of the Clintons have ever hated you...they've always had their heart in the right place as far as America and it's people are concerned...sure they aren't perfect or always right, but who is?

So if you think someone else would do a better job, vote for them and extoll their virtues, but the Clintons have never done anything to deserve hate.

It's upsetting to see all you guys are still so fierce and close-minded, you really ought to consider taking this more seriously and not treat this as supporting your favorite football team with blind faith.

The other side is not the enemy.

Personnaly, I think it's nice to see a husband and wife that are so totally involved in our government and manage to admit they have differences on some issues....most likely having differing views occasionally could end up with an excellent solution that considers both sides of an issue.

All you who enjoy hating the Clintons for some reason, consider that none of the Clintons have ever hated you...they've always had their heart in the right place as far as America and it's people are concerned...sure they aren't perfect or always right, but who is?

So if you think someone else would do a better job, vote for them and extoll their virtues, but the Clintons have never done anything to deserve hate.

What are we arguig here. are americans and keystone state myopic that we have already forgoten clintons sloggan-BUY ONE GET TWO. How can we believe that hillary has a different view on CAFTA from bill. Was she not around when the husband collected the large amount of money from the firm in favour of CAFTA? Ofcourse yes. Was it not in the clinton joint account that it was deposited? YES.Is the money not part of the record breaking speeking fee? YES. So how can hillary be looking into americans eyes and keep lying to us. Its time for us to know not all that gliter is gold.
What are we arguig here. are americans and keystone state myopic that we have already forgoten clintons sloggan-BUY ONE GET TWO. How can we believe that hillary has a different view on CAFTA from bill. Was she not around when the husband collected the large amount of money from the firm in favour of CAFTA? Ofcourse yes. Was it not in the clinton joint account that it was deposited? YES.Is the money not part of the record breaking speeking fee? YES. So how can hillary be looking into americans eyes and keep lying to us. Its time for us to know not all that gliter is gold.
My concern on this issue isn't the fact that they have the occasional disagreements common between married people - it's the fact that he actively works against her position!  Imagine that she's in the WH promoting one side of an important issue and he's actively working against that position.  What a mess!
Wow - All this Clinton bashing!  Just what was it about the Clinton Administration you people did not like?  Was it the Peace or the Prosperity?  I remember the 90's as "the good ole' days", when this country was not at war, jobs were being created instead of being exported overseas for cheap foreign labor, when people were buying homes instead of facing foreclosure, when our economy was strong and gas was not $3.39 a gallon.  All of you Obamabots will get exactly what you deserve if he wins this election and it will not be the rosy pictures he has all of you gullible obamabots believing.
If she disagrees that strongly about the Colombia Free Trade Agreement, and IF Bill really was upset that Mark Penn was in Colombia pushing the FTA, then how about the Clintons giving back the $800,000 that Bill made in speeches to push the FTA? Just to remove the conflict of interest.

"I strongly oppose the Colombia Free Trade agreement, but my family will keep the $800,000 we made for Bill to push it."
If she disagrees that strongly about the Colombia Free Trade Agreement, and IF Bill really was upset that Mark Penn was in Colombia pushing the FTA, then how about the Clintons giving back the $800,000 that Bill made in speeches to push the FTA? Just to remove the conflict of interest.

"I strongly oppose the Colombia Free Trade agreement, but my family will keep the $800,000 we made for Bill to push it."  
Her contortions are more contorted than a pretzel or a roller coaster with 5 loop de loops... I can't even think of the metaphor that accurately captures her constant convoluted distortions.
I am an Obama supporter and I agree that the super delegates should vote according to their conscience and based on who is more electable in November. They should not blindly vote based on who wins most pledged delegates.

The reason we have Primary elections is to determine electability in November so guess what, Obama is proving that he is electable, which he has done against Ms. Clinton who was the presumptive nominee up until January. Hillary is the one who is unelectable. She couldn’t even win the primaries, how can she win the General Elections. Besides she has the highest disapproval rating of any candidate. 45% of the electorate will never vote for HRC. So she only has a 55% electorate to work with. Both Obama and McCain have disapproval ratings of 26% and 27% respectively. Go figure who is more electable.

Democratic nomination was Hillary's to lose and she is losing it. How can anyone argue that she is more electable in Nov when she screwed up the primaries. It takes strategy and smarts to win elections... different strategies for primaries and general elections. Hillary has failed in the first test, and is now asking us to trust us with a bigger test in November. Obama is a once in a life time candidate who is winning against odds. And those of you who are calling him racist, you really belong in the other party, please vote for McCain whoever the democratic nominee is. I am an Obama supporter but will vote for Clinton, if she is our nominee.
This is getting ridiculous.  Bill Clinton, Hillary's advisors and too many more continue to "shaft" the American worker by backing legislation that will ship more jobs offshore.

The voters in the remaining primaries can send a loud and clear message that the Clinton's' brand of "divide and conquer" politics is over and the "Golden Rule" is not "he who has the gold, makes the rule".
Pulling for Hillary (Sent Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:26 PM):

Pulling: I am afraid it is too late. Hillary is finished. Yesterdays comment that she is the only one who is willing and able to begin the withdrawal of troops from Iraq because Obama just talks about it was totally laughed at by the press. Even Deedee Myers, a supporter of the Clintons, laughed at that one and stated that Hillary was becoming pretty desparate.


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