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Dean: McCain 'weak,' 'wishy-washy'

Posted: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:20 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
Presenting data from a new poll and focus groups, Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean today delivered a blistering assessment of presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, calling him "weak" and "wishy-washy."

"John McCain is a weak candidate," Dean told reporters, repeating a line he used the day before. "He is very far out of step with the American people" on issues like the economy, the war in Iraq, and health care.

Backing up that claim, Democratic pollster Allan Rivlin presented data from the poll -- conducted of swing voters from 17 battleground states -- showing that 54% of these voters had doubts about McCain on the economy, and 52% had doubts about his position on health care. Moreover, 76% of these swing voters said the nation is on the wrong track, and Rivlin argued that's proof November's election will be a change election.

"John McCain is not the person who is going to bring the change they're looking for," he said.

In addition, Rivlin noted that respondents in the poll were told -- in detail -- that McCain had changed his position on Bush's tax cuts, immigration, and gun control. After revealing that information, 56% of these swing voters said they had a less favorable impression of the Arizona senator; 22% said they had a more favorable impression.

Rivlin said data undercut what is seen as perhaps McCain chief strength: that he's a strong and decisive leader. Dean later said one of his biggest surprises was that some voters in the focus groups labeled McCain "wishy-washy."

"It is one of the biggest weaknesses he's got. It shocked me... It is a Mitt Romney problem." Dean then added that he always considered Romney the Republicans' more formidable candidate -- given his money and appearance.

In response to Dean's comments, Republican National Committee spokeswoman Amber Wilkerson issued this statement: “Howard Dean’s delusions aside, John McCain is widely respected for being straightforward and honest with the American people, and he has a lifelong and distinguished record of service that has warranted the admiration of voters from all walks of life. At the end of the day, Americans are going to elect Senator McCain as President because he has the judgment, character, and positive vision to strengthen our nation’s economy and win the war on terror.”

The RNC also recently released a poll it commissioned that shows McCain leading Obama (48%-42%) and Clinton (51%-40%); McCain besting both Democrats among independents; and McCain getting 20% of Democratic voters in a McCain-Obama match-up.

Dean wouldn't say what the head-to-head results were in the new DNC poll, but he added that the RNC survey noted above is the only one he's seen recently that has shown McCain ahead. As mentioned earlier, a new AP-Ipsos poll shows Obama and McCain tied (45%-45%), after Obama lead McCain by 10 points in February.

Democratic pollster Cornell Belcher, who also spoke at the briefing, replied that he isn't worried about some polls showing McCain grabbing one in five Democrats in hypothetical match-ups. "Historically, that doesn't hold," he said. "When the family comes together -- after the Democrats finally have a nominee -- "the family will come back together."

*** UPDATE *** One other thing from the DNC briefing... Dean was asked whether the poll brought up McCain's age, and the chairman replied that it didn't. However, he said that McCain's age came up voluntarily in focus groups -- either in the context of McCain's health or that some of his ideas are "old-fashioned." Asked why the poll didn't have questions about McCain's age, Dean responded, "We don't have any Lee Atwaters on our side," referring to late GOP strategist, who was known to practice the dark arts of politics.

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HA!  Dean should be the LAST person on this planet to call McCain weak and wishy-washy.  (cough) MI... FL (cough).

And I'm not even voting for McCain.


McCain's "depends" were wishy washy today on the View since he left behind a wet stain on his seat when he left.
McCain indeed seems like a weak & wishy washy candidate. But he has a lot of powerful & dirty players behind him. Don't underestimate that.
He'd be the new puppet for the same powers that drove Bush.
This is what i have been expecting from Howard Dean. Go after McCain if the media failed to do so.

I just don't see how McCain can win the women vote, it is practically impossible. First, he is too old let alone charming.

I expect to see more women come out for Obama after the nomination. Most women wouldn't want their sons and Daughters sent to Iraq but McCain is willing to keep them there.
Dean? Dean. Who is Dean? Oh, wait, isn't he the doofus that told 4 million people their votes don't count?
Apparently Dean thinks our politicians should be pragmatists concerning getting elected. Let's tell the people what they want to hear, rather than tell 'em like it is. Say what you will about John McCain, but the man calls it like he sees it.
'Weak, and wishy-washy'

Weak: More like mentally confused.

Wishy washy: An absolute waffler.

That's John. Another issue. In the past week or so, some very sickening information has come forth about John McCain's attitude toward women, and minorities.

A man who berates his wife in the company of others, or in private, has lost the consideration of those to be annointed as a hero. I will not repeat what he said to Cindy, in public, but they were not the words of any kind of legitimate hero. I think we are about to meet the man his wife knows. The GE, and all it's attendant pressure will call forth: Will the real John McCain please stand up?  

Pulling for Obama '08

Here is my general election prediction in the battle ground states. I am a realist and i don't see how Clinton can win the primary. Thus, i am not going to comment on Clinton chances against McCain.

Obama is going to carry all the North East states, including Pennsylvania. He is also going to carry every state John Kerry won in 2004; however, Ohio is going to be the battle ground state.

As for Florida, he is probably going to loose Florida but make it up by carrying Wisconsin, and Iowa. Michigan is going to vote Obama because of the grassroots support.

Republicans knows that McCain support is fragile and once the Primary is over, the infrastructures that have been built by both Clinton and Obama will come together.

Like i said, the Republican doesn't have the right message and this election is not about experience but Change. Obama is an embodiment of change and McCain is equivalent to McSame or McBush.


Pat Huntington,

You should be ashamed of yourself denigrating any presidential candidate like that. You have no respect for America or the political process. You don't have to agree with him, but let's not spew personal hate about any of the candidates.
Thank you for that Chairman Dean. Although what you point out is glaringly obvious to anyone paying attention, the press is giving Mccain a free ride. The RNC can whine and cry all they want, and point to bogus "polls", but the facts speak for themselves-Mccain has NOTHING to offer America or the world except more bush.
"We don't have any Lee Atwaters on our side,"

Yeah and you don't have any racist or sexist either no matter what the world has seen the last year.
DAVID PETRAEUS FOR '08
I think it's safe to say that this is the Democrat's race to lose and it's more likely than not that either Obama or Clinton will be the next President, but to underestimate McCain by calling him a lightweight is a mistake, I think.  Just look at McCain's history.  Despite the scandal of the Keating 5, he came back and is a powerhouse in the Senate.  He is shrewd enough to know how to work both sides of the aisle to pass legislation, something which neither Obama nor Clinton seem to be able to do.  One of my closest friends is a Democrat who has never voted for a Republican and is pretty liberal on views and is voting for McCain because she says that he is the only one of the 3 of them that she thinks is really proven.  The point is, while the Dems definitely have the opportunity to win and the mood of the country is in the corner, underestimating McCain could be a flaw in the plan that could certainly cost them the lead in the race and may cost them the presidency.
I think it's safe to say that this is the Democrat's race to lose and it's more likely than not that either Obama or Clinton will be the next President, but to underestimate McCain by calling him a lightweight is a mistake, I think.  Just look at McCain's history.  Despite the scandal of the Keating 5, he came back and is a powerhouse in the Senate.  He is shrewd enough to know how to work both sides of the aisle to pass legislation, something which neither Obama nor Clinton seem to be able to do.  One of my closest friends is a Democrat who has never voted for a Republican and is pretty liberal on views and is voting for McCain because she says that he is the only one of the 3 of them that she thinks is really proven.  The point is, while the Dems definitely have the opportunity to win and the mood of the country is in the corner, underestimating McCain could be a flaw in the plan that could certainly cost them the lead in the race and may cost them the presidency.
Good for you Dean, someone needs to tell him.  Much respect for him, but he goes back and forth.  I guess he is trying to find his voice.

Help the people, don't help the people!  Sunni or Shiite or Al Quida, AII (Al-Quida I Iraq) or not.  

Although, McCain is running a respectful campaign so far, but he is quite the flip flopper.  

Then again, it's not too bad, because it does mean his mind can be changed; that's a bonus I will give him.
I am glad top Dems are starting to focus on the opponent.  FINALLY!
Howard has absolutely no room to talk.  The Democrats are having a melt down and self destructing while Dean is head of the party.  Democrats once again will lose in November.
Howard has absolutely no room to talk.  The Democrats are having a melt down and self destructing while Dean is head of the party.  Democrats once again will lose in November.
Voters you need to get over FL and MI primaries...and express your anger towards the politians YOU VOTED FOR that put you in the situation....sorry chaps ...rules are rules
with all the anti-war rhetoric on these boards, i would tend to assume that america's greatest generation would give us all a big swift kick in the rear and tell us to buck up about the war. ww2 wasn't popular either, but people got behind it and didn't sit around and complain. civilians kicked it into high gear and helped us win. i guess we don't live in a society like that anymore though do we? we all have our own selfish agendas. shame on us.
Pat Huntington,

That is a disgusting post you just left.   I am no fan of Sen.McCain, but please a little respect and decorum would be welcome.  You only denigrate yourself and the Democrats.
You mean I shouldn't vote for John McLame, or John McSame, or John McBush???  None of the above??
Pat Huntington,

You should be ashamed of yourself denigrating any presidential candidate like that. You have no respect for America or the political process. You don't have to agree with him, but let's not spew personal hate about any of the candidates.
Thursday (Sent Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:51 PM)

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Did I make you cry?  Too bad.  Everyone else does it to all the other candidates, to wit: all the virtriol spewed at Hillary, and the race nonesense against Obama.  If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Get used to it...because I am just starting with your pathetic old man candidate who can't shoot his way out of Vietnam, let alone Iraq.
McFossil is definitely out of touch with the younger people that will be voting in this years election and I don't see ANYTHING that will change that fact. Oh, the RePubs will have to bring up the Wright issue again because that's all they have, but McCain has 72 years of dirty laundry that will soon be aired. He also will NOT be able to hold his own during a debate with Senator Obama. The entire Republican Party is stuck in the 1950's and they CAN'T fix THAT by November! So, say hello to President Obama!
President is a leader, not a public representative. We have a Congress for that. I'd rather have a President be honest even if I don't like it that have an Obama or Hillary just say whatever is convenient.
CP and Thursday, are you kidding?  I have never seen a candidate flip-flop more than John McCain.  I used to actually admire him until I saw him kiss up to Bush and the neo-conservatives.  He's changed on the tax rebates, torture, patriot act, just to name a few.  Now he seems to be changing on the mortgage crisis.  How can anyone possibly say he isn't wishy-washy or that he tells it like it is????
Pat Huntington,

That is a disgusting post you just left.   I am no fan of Sen.McCain, but please a little respect and decorum would be welcome.  You only denigrate yourself and the Democrats.
gmhussein,Jupiter, Fl (Sent Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:09 PM)

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don't be so sensitive...or are your depends leaking as well?  Gee I must've hit a nerve with the older folks who post, or a weak spot in your pull-ups.  McCain is going down, faster than he did in Vietnam!
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Wow...this is certainly earth shattering news.  A group of Democratic pollsters asked some questions of a group of "independents".  I'm sure those questions weren't leading and were completely objective.  I especially love the part about how after the Dems gave these voters some "information" about McCain their opinions were worse.  I'm sure they were perfectly balanced in the information they gave.  And Pat...wow...that's all I have to say.  And yet, I'm sure you'd be first in line decrying any of Karl Rove's tactics.
HAHAHA. Dean is calling someone weak and wishy washy? This from the guy who lost to John Kerry!?!?! Go off and scream somewhere, Howard Dean. You've been a miserable failure as chair of the DNC and we're going to lose in November as a result of your inability to show any true leadership in the Florida and Michigan fiascos.
Go Pat.
Howard Dean is delusional, but then I'm not surprised...he always was a loose cannon.  As to McCain's supposed wishy-washiness, I would wager that if Obama is the candidate to face McCain, this wishy-washy, weak candidate will CLEAN HIS CLOCK.  You see, I'm not naive like most of your writers, I don't believe for one moment that good and decent americans would vote for a socialist like Obama.  His heroes are:  Castro, his bigoted minister and oh yes, let's not forget William Ayers that paragon of american liberty.  (For most of you who don't know who this guy is, he bombed several buildings in the 70's and never served a day in jail because of a technicality.  But even today when asked about this, his reply is:  "I'm proud of what I did" and would do it again", I'm only sorry more rich people didn't get hurt or killed".  You Obama supporters are blooming idiots and you have the nerve to call Bush and McCain names.  This probably won't get printed because I'm not a radical left winger, but I can only hope that you will post this.
Pat Huntington:

Perhaps you should spend a little time being torture, while you have been terribly wounded.  

Untill, we can all exspect you to tone it down to a respectful conversation.  If you keep back stabbing, a true american hero, then all of America will come to aid John McCain.

And at 70 years old, I'll bet he could still kick your rear end.  Who do you think you talking too. . .

By the way --go Obama
....or was it a brown stain left by McCain on the View?  
I love these blogs. I get to see what most of the unemployed are thinking all over the country. I have a preferred choice for the dnc nomination but as longs as the dems win, I will be happy.
Howard Dean, THE TIME HAS COMEfor you to resign. Your comments as well as the Clinton's comments against other Federal Elected Officials are uncalled for. You and the Clinton's need to get your army uniforms on and JOIN THE RANKS IN AFGANISTAN AND IRAQ ON THE FRONT LINES (not in a plush office) to fight the war you are all supporting. Maybe McCain would make a good water boy.
Talk about The Pot calling the Kettle Black... Dean the "Scream Queen"
No Pat,

I'm just concerned about showing respect. I'm noticing more and more that people lack respect for anything anymore. You don't see me spewing hate-filled remarks about Clinton or Obama do you? I'm not even a McCain fan (although I'll probably vote for him out of sheer disagreement with basic policy decisions with the other candidates), but he is owed respect, if not for his politics, then for the fact that he is an American elected official and a candidate for president.
Howard Dean calling McCain weak and wishy washy is like the 2007 Miami Dolphins calling the 2007 New York Giants an inferior team.  Illogical and defies reason.  Not sure where that one came from Howard?  You might want to think before you speak ... er' ohh yeah ...  I almost forgot ... that is exactly what lost you the last presidential race.  You were never known for thinking before speaking.

Dems chances are quickly slipping away.  Obama has been exposed for running with racists and con artists.  Hillary is being dragged down by the same reason she got this far. The "Clinton" last name.  Does anyone really want Bill to have soo much free time in the White House again.  I can hear Bill now ...

"Where are all the interns at???"  

Kind of makes you see why Bill is pushing so hard for Hillary to become president.

Finally, does anyone really want to hear Hillary pushing liberal feminist socialism for the next four years.  Other than a few liberal middle aged women, some demasculated men, some indoctrinated college students and some senior citizens, the nation has Clinton fatigue.  Additionally, the nation does not know anything about Obama other than he makes a great speech.  McCain on the other hand has a proven record of being a warrior and withstanding years in a prison camp.  

What did Howard do?  Stand out in front of the Mall and burn his draft card?  oooooooh, I'm impressed!  Typical protestor.  All talk no substance.
McCain is a flip flopping failure...
New Independent,

I'll give you the point about McCain flip-flopping. He's a pragmatist just like the rest of em. I'm not a fan of his. I'm still pondering 3rd party or write in candidates.
Thursday,

WWII wasn't based on LIES!!!!!!!  This war is!!  Surround yourself with facts please!!!  Good God, you are a poor excuse for a defender of the repukeagain party, The Grand OIL Party.  You. like McCain, are so out of touch with the rest of America it is laughable and the rest of the country is laughing at you all the way to November.  Your 527's and swiftboat groups will not work this time.  You are going down and YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!  Have fun on the sidelines for the next 8 Years!!!!
I stood by McCain all those years he was a POW, and he comes back, I get sick, and he leaves me for some trailer trash.  How can anyone vote for him is beyond me!
I do not care how much people seem to have loved McCain in the past, when the reality of this election hits, they will have to make a decision:
Do I vote for the old guy because i always thought he was a nice guy? or Do I vote for someone who will lead this country out of the mess it is in?
Those who chose McCain are probably more interested in supporting someone they like rather than the direction of the country.
Bush was elected the second time around because he was supposed to be more likeable than Kerry, and how did that worked out?
Dean has done a fine job running the DNC. His choice to punish voters in Florida and Michigan have ensured the infighting and wasted campaign funds of the party, and given the GOP a great head start on preparation and funding for the general election. The extended nasty battle between Obama and the Clintons is providing all the ammo needed for the GOP to trash either candidate, and infact will do most of the damage for them. He may be an authority on weak leadership after all. By all means put your faith in Mr. Dean
Well, I read a lot where there were people calling McCain a 'flip flopper.'  If that is true, what is Obama?  And a man who is not observant enough in over 20 years to notice how his pastor is off base, well what can you say good about him?  And Sen. Clinton was well on her way to kicking his tail, until she started dodging bullets in Bosnia.
McCain may not be what we want nor need, but he is far and away better than the other choices.  The abortion thing bothers me, too.   Bill McClellan
GO HILLARY !!!
Howard Dean - YOU do not have the right to bad mouth anyone!  It is the DNC that has caused all these problems - You must count ALL 50 States.  I will not vote for obama - I will have to vote for McCain if Senator Clinton does not win.  You have caused all the problems, not McCain.
Given the number "accidents" which happened to the friends, supporters, officials, etc... around the Clintons during the 90's, would Obama really choose Hillary as his vice presidential choice?
Mr. McCain is not a bad guy at all. I respect him for what he has been though and his honesty. That is not the same as saying that he has the acumen to deal with the World the way it is now where Pres. Bush has largely destroyed the partnership of decades old allies with his shotgun approach to issues. I am not entirely sure that Hillary Clinton could do much better as there is already too much teflon beltway suits out there. The only option left is Barack Obama. Not much of a choice from the leading democratic state on this planet I am sorry to say.
If I am not mistaken, this Dean dufous is on McCain's payroll, and is doing a fabulous job.

He will no doubt be in charge of the septic systems upgrades required in the Congressional offices as his new venture that his talents are best suited.
Mcain by action demonstrates his search for middle
ground on all issues. He does not swing completely to extreme liberal ideals, but he does position himself in the middle and invites all politicians to meet him there. Here the issues can be resolved without malace and selfish gain.


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