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The battle for Pennsylvania

Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:17 AM by Mark Murray

Well, the first semi-reliable poll -- post-“bitter” shows no movement, with Clinton still holding her 6-point lead, 50%-44%. Here are more results from the Quinnipiac poll, per a release:
-- White voters for Clinton 57% -37%, compared to 56%- 38% last week
-- Black voters back Obama 86%- 8%, compared to 75%- 17%
-- Women back Clinton 54% -40%, unchanged from 54%- 41%
-- Men are for Obama 51%- 43%, compared to a 48%- 44%
-- Reagan Democrats back Clinton 55%-40%
-- Voters under 45 go with Obama 55% -39%, while older voters back Clinton 55%- 40%

CQ has an analysis of the likely delegate split in the state. As we've noted since Ohio, the likelihood that Clinton will underperform on delegates compared with her statewide voting percentage (a la Ohio) is very high. For instance, in Ohio, Clinton won by 10 points but only netted nine delegates (and that number could go down to eight have the vote is certified).

Clinton will probably net fewer delegates than the point spread she wins by overall. Of course, her campaign is not about pledged delegates anymore, but convincing superdelegates of her electability.

The Philly Inquirer finds undecided PA voters who are more focused on electability. "For undecided Democratic voters in the Philadelphia area, the question that rises above all others is this: Which candidate would better be able to stand up to Republican Party assaults and capture the White House this fall? Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton? Or Sen. Barack Obama?”

“‘My question is - who can win?" Kathleen Joyce, a Democratic activist in Abington, wrote in a typical letter to The Inquirer from undecided voters. ‘The right is drooling, waiting to pounce, waiting to tell America who and what to fear, and start a frenzy, the minute this is decided. It's difficult, but I am trying to think like a Republican and determine what they fear most.’”

The New York Times profiles Clinton's super surrogate, Ed Rendell. "Rendell is redefining the role of political host, putting to shame the other Democratic governors who have endorsed either Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama and have helped them navigate their states ahead of a primary or caucus. And his bluntness frequently makes for good copy. For example, he told reporters in March that he would happily support a Clinton-Obama ticket or an Obama-Clinton ticket (‘Either way,’ he said). He said in a recent interview with The New York Times that the Clinton campaign had made some ‘God-awful decisions.’ He also said that women had warmed up to her tremendously during the course of the campaign, after having initially considered her ‘an intellectually snobby feminist.’”)

Steelers owner Dan Rooney endorsed Obama yesterday. “True sports fans know that you support your team even when they are the underdogs. Barack Obama is the underdog here but it is with great pride that I join his team," Rooney writes in a ‘Dear Pennsylvanians’ letter released by the Obama campaign. "This is not something that I do regularly but as I listen to the candidates in this race, I am struck that we continue to hear about the problems and the same challenges that we have been talking about for decades.”

The AP: Gun control arouses deep emotions here. Deadly shootings have earned the state's largest city the ominous nickname: ‘Killadelphia.’ One of the strongest antigun control groups, the National Rifle Association, has 250,000 members in Pennsylvania, more than in any other state. This month the Pennsylvania House soundly defeated a bill to require handgun owners to report the theft or loss of their guns to police. As the state's hotly contested April 22 primary approaches, the Democratic presidential candidates have struggled to avoid alienating either side, to the point of pandering.”

The AP also looks at where the candidates stand on gun rights.

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Easy answer.  Senator Clinton will do more to energize the Republican base than almost anyone else can.  Nominating her is a gift to McCain.  He can sit back and watch his party go after her on his behalf.

I just don't want another four years of the Clinton drama, and anyone who remembers those years should be very afraid of the Clinton's ability to sink their own ship.
So nothing's changed.

Mrs. Clinton, your taxi is waiting.
"Steelers owner Dan Rooney endorsed Obama yesterday."
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Go 'Stillers'!

I wonder when Lynn Swann will weigh-in?

http://thepajamapundit.com/
Chuck,
Here are the Clinton's own similar comments:
If voters want to avoid being labeled hypocrites and if they believe Obama is the one who is arrogant and elitist, in an article on Time.com, Hillary was quoted as saying:
"During the 1990s,
I cannot remember being asked about immigration. Why? Because the economy was working.
And average Americans didn't have to go around looking for others to blame" (does she think Americans blame their problems on scapegoats?)
Bill Clinton was also quoted as saying (repeatedly):
"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these
economically insecure white people who are scared to death."
Bill's was reported by the Los Angels Times and Hillary's by the NY Sun.
Please read...
I don’t know how many “test” Obama must receive before people began to see his strengths and abilities to lead this country. We now have McCain and Clinton (all 3 of them) coming down on Barack and he is now showing his abilities to fight back.

I find it funny that HRC has a commercial from “rural people” saying – “I’m not bitter”… well the people in the commercial are standing in a CITY and truly don’t look that “rural” to me. He should fire back with a commercial of “rural people” (farmers, small towns, etc)… those people ARE bitter. Heck… … I’m bitter! Our government is looking out for others before taking care of our own. McCain and Clinton are as out of touch as Bush… but hey… … … they come from the same old politics.

It is time that we end this and I feel a BIG upset getting ready to happen in PA. It is time for us to come together – men, women, young, old, black, white… and stand behind our next president – Obama. We can not stand for him to continue to be broken down over what we know in our hearts is right.
I am from Cincinnati and the Steelers just moved from the bottom of my favorites list to above the Browns and Ravens. Give a win to Obama and I promise to root for them in all non-Bengal games!
Yesterday, there was a poll saying Hillary was ahead by 20% in Pennsylvania.

Something fishy with these polls.  Hillary will win Pennsylvania by at least 15%. Murtha has guaranteed it.
I agree with the Philly Inquirer but I would encourage folks to think down ballot as well as on the top...we not only want a Democrat in the White House but also on Capitol Hill.  Who has brought out lots of Dems all season (Obama), who brings out the anti-Dems also known as Republicans (Clinton).  Obama shows strength over-time and has run a wonderful campaign (admittedly with a few gaffes), Clinton's campaign has been a disaster and her negatives grow with time.

In terms of the polls, the one thing I predict is that more women will come to Obama.  I think, woman, in particular are turned off in increasing numbers by Hillary's brand of campaigning and increasingly (although they want to see a woman in the White House), they think about the role model Hillary is now being for their daughters.  I hear that all the time...not what we want our daughters to act like...the winning at all costs, the desparation, the sloppiness of campaign leadership, the in it for yourself at the expense of the Party.  Not what women are all about.

Ed Rendell's not very consistent is he?  I'm curious how he seems to Pennsylvanians though.

I am from Chicago, Latino and I can’t wait to see the PA people paying back Obama for his ridiculous and insensitive comment.  The biggest problem is that we don’t know about that guy, the media is protecting his identity so much that we don’t even know exactly what he really stand for.

Well, yeahh, he speaks a lot about his belief, but, one thing is what he said and other thing what he does.  For example, he talk a lot about loving the country, but the kind of friends he has, whoa re so meaningful to him are very interesting people to watch.  Like Mr. J. W.
He is against NAFTA, but his advisor told the Canada government does not worry; he is not going to do what he is talking.

He is against the war, (the based of his campaign), but he is funding it, and his advisor stated that he is not going to be able to do what he is saying.

Obama said he is for and understand poor people, but he called them “bitter” group.

Obama said he is going to bring changes,  ja ja ja ja ja,   yeahh, it remind me Bush, with his message of changes, oh yeahh, we got great change with Bush…

The worst is that most of African American are not putting attention, they are controlled by the emotion, they just want to have a black president even if it means the end of this country.  
Many more are controlled by the media who is working so hard to protect and present Obama as the Great Obama.

What could we expect form someone who doesn’t want even to use his second name and is hiding so much of him?  DON’T TRUST OBAMA, IS MY MESSAGE TO YOU GUYS.  I said the same thing about Bush and the result show that I was right.

Don’t trust Obama for your own safety…
I am Joan, and I approved this message….
Obama hates guns....
Hillary loves to regale people with her stories about he "duck" hunting and her running through sniper fire in Bosnia.

Guess we know where the gun issues are at

Hillary Clintn
A Liar for all Seasons
one word for you guys... DONT TRUST OBAMA
Obama may be your next president, but no mine.  God have mercy on this country with the kind of men running for president.  

Obama will be the third BUSH, with one difference, he is democrat and ... well, i cannot say any other difference, because nobody know nothing about him.  His identity is a mystery.
He has done anything to prove that he can be a good president, but many of you are controled liek a baby by the media, specially MSNBC with C. MATHEWS
Obama is funding the war because he does not want the troops to be at the center of the maddening Bush-Congress disputes. When you already have troops in Iraq that Hillary voted to send, would it be patriotic to block funds and leave the troops trapped, duh?
I  disaproved that Hillary made up the stroy in Bosnia, it was wrong, but his friends are not Anti-American, she don’t look poor people and compare them with terrorist organization, controlled by their bitter and so on.  Everybody know about her, no like Obama.  She has a open record, Obama?  Oh, he is ook, thanks…
"dont trust obama chicago il"

Your post is comical in that you claim Obama is the exact same as Bush, yet you also claim no one knows anything about him.  Which is it? Do you know he is just like Bush (huh?) or nothing about him?
Obama is a politician. he says what is necessary to get elected. He is afraid to find out what Michigan really thinks.
Willie Stargell's support means more. Who is he for?

Seriously, it kills me that the opposition can find nothing bad to say about Obama ... they use guilt by association, and twisting his words ... good, old-fashioned politics, but it is hilarious that Clinton and McCain could remove the silver spoons from their mouths long enough to call elitist the community organizer who pulled himself up by his bootstraps and earned scholarships and became our most improbable presidential candidate in history.
It was reported today that 8,200 people in Pennsylvania lost there jobs in February.Yet your Govenor Ed Rendell is campaigning full time for the hillbillys.Is that the kind of work that the people expect,or is that what a guy has to do to pay back the Hillbillys for his wife appiontment to a dis,court job by Bill Clinton. The hillbillys say they are in touch with the common folk ,maybe the folks that cut there grass they have contact with, but i doubt  many more .Dan Ronney has still got it,he can tell a winner when he see's one.
Don't trust Obama:

So, should I trust Hillary and her sleazy husband?  Yeah, let's trust the people who pardoned four FALN terrorists at the end of Bubba's term.  Let's trust the people who pardoned fugitive financier Marc Rich in exchange for campaign donations.  Let's trust the people who brazenly stole furniture from the White House, and returned it only when the Justice Department ordered them to.

By the way, is Hillary sweating yet?  She should be.  The Peter Paul trial starts soon.

If you want to compare Obama and Clinton for trustworthiness, it is not even close.

Hillary should change her campaign slogan.  It should be "My husband cheated on me, so I should be President of the United States".

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
SOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRYYYYYY...!!!!!!

not really...

pack of liars...
I hope the democrats and the voting public do not once again allow themselves to be distracted by these non issues (remember the Swiftboat saga), thus allowing the Republicans to once again slide into the White House. Clinton is lifting her tactics right from the Rove playbook and it will backfire on Democrats next fall, regardless of the nominee. The more the democrats critcise each other over character traits, the more credible those criticisms become to the public at large. Please PA, end this primary nightmare. It this goes on much longer, it won't matter who wins the nomination, because they will lose in November.
Thanks Hillary, for helping cripple the whole party.
WOW! Have you seen Hillary's new ad? It sure makes me forget how she voted to authorize the Iraq War! And how about flip-flopping on her support for NAFTA? In one ear and out the other! Her husband had sex with an intern? Say what?! Lies about being under sniper fire in Bosnia? Now you tell me! Gun-lover who's a big backer of the Brady Bill, and Bible-freak who never goes to church? You're kidding! Fact is, Hillary sure looks good these days...once you forget why she could never win in November.
Hillary Was Pro-NAFTA

Monday, April 14, 2008 12:51 PM

By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann  Article Font Size  


As stated before HRC is a BALD FACED LAIR!!

Go Obama '08
The Republican attack machine is doing everything it can to help Hillary because they have believed from the beginning that she is the easiest one for them to beat in November. So Obama is running against Bill, Hillary, and McCain and the Republican attack machine and he is still winning.
OBAMA IS THE DEMOCRATS BEST CHANCE AGAINST McCAIN.

The Republicans WANT TO GO UP AGAINST HILLARY --- that should be a loud & clear message to the Democrats.
"one word for you guys... DONT TRUST OBAMA"

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

That's the dumbest sentence EVER!
The polls for Pennsylvania shows that Hillary is even 20 points ahead. The is based on small sample (500-1000 calls).

I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU. CHECK THIS WEBSITE http://www.free411.com/vote2008/

IT IS BASED ON 24,000 CALLS WHICH SHOWS THAT IF PEOPLE WOULD VOTE TOMORROW THEN:

HILLARY - 43%
OBAMA - 57%
UNDECIDED - 26%
NOT VOTING - 19%

FOR RE-DO IN MICHIGAN:
HILLARY 40%
OBAMA - 60%

FOR RE-DO IN FLORIDA:
HILlARY - 47%
OBAMA - 53%

So now Hillary, as you see people are not as stupid as you think they are.
WHATEVER HAPPENS TRUST OBAMA AND NOT HILLARY OBAMA TRULY MISSPOKE. HILLARY LIES OPENLY. PA HOPEFULLY WILL GIVE BARACK OBAMA A GOOD LOOK AND THE DELEGATES HE NEEDS. HE IS A TERRIFIC LEADER. YES, NOT A POLITICIAN LIKE HILLARY. SHE IS A TRAVESTY.
Eric from Cincinnati--If you root for the jailhouse Bengals you are already a looser. So go ahead and root for obama another looser.
I do not buy the thought that every one will unite behind who ever wins, I know a family of five Democrats who will not unite behind Hillary for more
of the status quo.
Hillary is a pathetic joke.  I can't help but laugh when I watch her speak on the televistion.....it's easy to see right through her.  At least Obama is being candid and showing his true colors......Hillary tries to hide what she truly is (although not very well).  She tries to portray herself as something she is not...duck hunting?....give me a break people!  She is a joke and I will be glad once she is out of the race.  WE NEED OBAMA.  
If it wasn't so sad, it would almost be funny. Hillary taking a shot and drinking a beer...(I guess in between going deer hunting) Is that how she intends to "win over" Middle Class Americans? Talk about condescending...does she really think that we are that stupid?
dont trust Obama chicago il

From your bad language you need to stay in chicago and go back to school then maybe you can someone who to vote for, until then quit while you are ahead.

It was reported today that 8,200 people in Pennsylvania lost there jobs in February.Yet your Govenor Ed Rendell is campaigning full time for the hillbillys.
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Wow, if I lived in PA I'd send Ed Rendell a loud and clear message next time elections come around for him, too! You have the power people, use it to get rid of people like Rendell in politics!

Hillary and McCain are identical in this attack.  If that doesn't tell the superdelegates something I don't know what will. Which democrat will get down ticket candidates elected?  The one spewing republican lines and hurting the party or the one standing up for the people who have lost their jobs and their homes?  Obama!!!!!!
"Obama is a politician. he says what is necessary to get elected. He is afraid to find out what Michigan really thinks.
JNZ in Michigan (Sent Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:57 AM)"

Are you really in MI?  'Cause if you were, you would know better than to blame Obama for not having the revote here.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Benjamin Franklin

McCain = More of the same
McClinton = More of the same
Obama = Something different
More polls coming out...The Survey USA poll, while it still has Clinton up 14 points in Penn, that is down 4 points from their last poll 10 days ago.  The new Rasmussen poll has Clinton up by 9 points, versus 5 points in their last polling, but certainly not some landslide against Obama since the comments he made.  Couple this with this Quinnipiac poll and so far his numbers seem to be holding in the reasonable area.  If he is able to pull off a less than 10% loss in Penn after all this and her power there, that would be something.  As it is, she will need to win at least 60% of the vote to make any sizeable impact on his delegate lead.
Eric, I am from Cincinnati and I totally agree with you...if Mr. Rooney can deliver Barack a PA win I will support the Steelers, except when they play the Bengals.  Please tell Brother Odd to go pound salt.
I'm surprised I have yet to hear Barack come back with "I mispoke."  

I've lost count of how many times Bill and Hillary have said that over the years.


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