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Biden attacks McCain on foreign policy

Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:39 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Ken Strickland
Some Democrats might see it this way: While Obama and Clinton argue over who's the better security guard, McCain is robbing the bank. Today, Joe Biden -- a bank customer -- decided he'd intervene and stop McCain from stealing the money and the White House. 

"When it comes to Iraq, there is no daylight between John McCain and George Bush. They are joined at the hip," Biden said today in a speech at Georgetown University. He told the students "when it comes to Iraq, there will be no change with a McCain Administration and so there is a real and profound choice for Americans in November." 

As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and having no alliance to either the Clinton or Obama campaigns, Biden may be the best suited to go after McCain. After the speech, a senior Biden aide lamented that McCain was "getting a free pass" in the national security debate and Biden wanted to do something about it.

In the typical Senate fashion of praising your colleague just before you cut their legs out from under them, Biden was gentlemanly. He started by calling McCain "a man I greatly admire, a man I consider a personal and close friend." He went further, adding that McCain's foreign policy speech last month was "a stark repudiation of the Bush Administration's approach to the world."

But in almost the same breath, Biden dropped the hammer: "John McCain remains wedded to the Bush Administration's myopic view of a world defined by terrorism... It's time for a fundamental change, but that's going to require more than a great soldier. It's going to require a wise leader."

Biden also cut McCain some slack on his remarks about being in Iraq for 100 years. "While it's not my business as a strong supporter the Democratic candidate to defend John McCain," he conceded that McCain was making an analogy to America's long-term military presence in peaceful post-war Germany, Korea, and Bosnia.

But he then followed by saying there is no peace in Iraq. "Worse, saying you're happy to stay in Iraq for 100 years fuels exactly the kind of dangerous conspiracy theories -- the urban legend of the Middle East -- about America's intentions throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds."

The Democratic surrogate attacked the Bush-McCain strategy on a point-by-point basis.  Biden also went after them for what they "refuse to acknowledge: the increasingly intolerable costs of staying in Iraq at the levels we are now."

Biden concluded his speech with his familiar metaphor of the surge moving the situation in Iraq from "drowning to treading water," being "no closer to the President's stated goal for the surge, which was for an Iraq that can defend itself, govern itself and sustain itself in peace."

Biden is widely considered to be a possible candidate for vice president or Secretary of State in a Democratic administration. While he's been coy publicly about any future plans, today's attack on McCain would will certainly be viewed as a job application.

"We cannot keep treading water without exhausting ourselves and more importantly doing great damage to our other vital interests around the world and at home," he said. "And that's exactly what President Bush and a President McCain would be asking us to do."  

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Take it easy on the Old Man. He might have a heart attack or something.

Biden should be the next secretary of state or VP. I am pretty sure he is going to work well with Obama.
McCain has no foreign policy! He is borrowing it from Bush. If McCain is President, then we can all bet on another 4 or 8 years of the Iraq War. WE CAN BET OUR LIVES ON IT!!!
Biden/Bayh would have been a ticket that walk away with the white house. Instead we have a clown like Obama
Biden took down Giuliani and will take down McCain
I can see it already: Obama/Biden '08
["When it comes to Iraq, there is no daylight between John McCain and George Bush. They are joined at the hip," Biden said today in a speech at Georgetown University.]
--I don't care from where that saying came from, but 'joined at the hip' always sounds incredibly dirty and unRepublican to me!
HP, NOBAMA, JOHN DOE..........

Anything, anything? Anything at all rational? I thought not.

YES WE CAN!

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The white house needs an intelligent leader and a diplomat, not some one who can't keep Sunni and Shia straight.

Vote with your head, vote for the economy, vote for jobs.

Vote Democratic 2008 -- don't let the corporations and their Republican stooges win again.  
The case for a Biden Vice Presidency

It's putting the cart before the horse.....
But all the other major candidates who ran in Iowa could be considered

Biden, Richardson, Edwards, Dodd ....
I just can't get past Dodd's looks
He's actually pretty progressive and might be the best of the lot

It may well be a woman to assuage Clinton backders feelings about Hillary being off the ticket

Nancy Pelosi ?

Anybody but Clinton and Feinstein
(a couple of LOSERS)
No more free ride for Senator McCain. If the media won't hold him accountable, the dems are stepping up to do so, while Senator Obama is having to deal with boo hoo Hillary, the booed. Thanks Senator Biden.

YES WE CAN!
"When it comes to Iraq, there is no daylight between John McCain and George Bush. They are joined at the hip," Biden said today in a speech at Georgetown University. "

Think about this, Clinton supporters, when you say that you won't vote for Obama if he's the nominee.

And to Mr/Ms "Obama is ________ (insert latest insult here)"  - please back your posts up with proof of your claims or GO AWAY.

If there is more people like you, I weep for our future.
If great soldier implies a great military mind, Biden is once again being kind.  McCain was a brave soldier who had the misfortune of being captured and endured with courage and honor.  That doesn't  make him any expert on military strategy and he isn't showing himself to be much of supporter of our troops and vets either.  

It's his father and grandfather who were Admirals.  McCain never advanced very far up the chain of command before leaving the military and going into politics.  He's been a politician for a lot more of his life than he's been a soldier.  Maybe that accounts for his craven failure to support the new GI Bill while he's done a 180 on tax breaks for the ultra rich instead.  

This shows where his real priorities and they are pure pol.  When the general election comes, the GOP will be sorry they started this whole flip flop line of attack because McCain's done more of them then Kerry ever dreamed of.  
Ya gotta love Senator Biden, I hope that he gets a prestigeous position in the new Administration.  

Vote with your head, vote for the economy, vote for jobs.

Vote Democratic 2008 -- don't let the corporations and their Republican stooges win again.  
Thank you Joe Biden!
Fight the good fight! Barack is right there with you.
Very soon he'll get this pesky Hillary monster off his back and John McCain & the regressive party will be fighting a losing battle.
OBAMA '08
YES WE CAN !!!
I love Joe Biden, hope he has a prominent place in an Obama Administration!!!!
Tell it, Joe.
Biden again proves why the voters turn him away from being President. Isn't he the guy that wanted to split up Iraq? Now this arrogent windbag is at it again telling someone else, this time the winner of the Republican nomination, how he should run his campaign. Biden sounds a bit elitist in his long boring speeches.
Joe's an idiot. How he manages to prove it everyday is beyond comprehension.
Did someone help Joe write his speech, or did he just steal it from someone?
As long as Biden is isolated in that tiny little state of his, we'll all be safe. The trouble starts when someone lets him loose.
Joe Biden is wicked smart - I love Joe!!!
Did anyone just watch Hardball today with McCain?  Good G-d, not only is he proWAR, but he also says his VP has to be prolife and he wants to "stick" it to Obama on his public funding of his campaign.  Okay ladies and gents let's gear it up......shove Hill out the way and get it on with this old man....he is so backwards in his thinking we might as well be wearing fig leaves
McCain is showing all the signs of unresolved Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.  Short-temper, failed marriage, and previous suicide attempt.
When you review the incredibly small number of tortured POW's from the Vietnam era that remained mentally un-scarred, one needs to pause to consider putting McCain in the ultimate high stress job.

I know this will sound elitist and unpatriotic, but we need to have full access to McCain's complete medical and psychiatric records before voting.

McCain's war-mongering may be an unresolved attempt to succeed in his father's eyes.  

What executive experience does McCain Have again?
yeah for Joe Biden!
As an indepenent voter, Joe Biden was my 1st choice on either side.  It's disappointing the way he is attempting to mislead voters by tying McCain to Bush.  Just doesn't wash.
obama won't win the g.e., even with Biden.
Biden, your remarks are extremely lucid and coherent. With talk like that, we could use a good VP like you.

You should "chek" McCain at every turn, including his "beer" money.  Wait, wouldn't all that money, influence from dad and step-dad, make John McCain, a little. . .well.. . elitist!

Or is he just a bought and paid for politician beholding to the corporate lobbyist and bush backer?
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Dunno. Biden took his crack at foreign policy and failed miserably. Indeed,the present-day conflict in Kosovo is his making. It would be Biden who influenced Clinton,along with Lieberman,the arming of the Muslim KLA despite the fact that this paramilitary organization was heavily infiltrated by al Qaeda even by the late 1990s.Biden,never one to pass up an opportunity to pour gasoline on an out-of-control fire,goes to Thalim ''The Butcher''Hatchi and reassures him that they will use NATO to disarm the Serbs while arming his KLA to the teeth.[who were then training in bin Ladens Afghan camps]. The resulting chaos,had Bidens fingerprints all over it. Biden is a piker in this area. He should stick to domestic policy where he has more credit.
Hee, hee, hee. If the battle  Obama vs. Clinton
doesn't fully vet Obama for the Pres. job, nothing
will.

Obama '08
patty,sd,ca,

I don't know what the person/people you are addressing have blogged but your entry certainly doesn't add anything positive to the political debate.  

I am a militray spouse in Hawaii.  I have watched soldiers return from 15 months in Iraq and am currently watching soldiers gear up to deploy again.  We also have another Remembrance Ceremony for a young soldier, SPC Jeremiah Hughes tomorrow.  

No matter what your position is on this presidential race I always appreciate reading thoughtful sincere blogs.  Enough with the mention of brainwashing and koolaid.  

Just about time!! Maybe good he decided to Bide(n) his time.
Just about time! Nice that he decided to Bide(n) his time until when his voice can really count.
You can say what you want,.... but what America needs is an economics authority and a strict constitutionalist like Ron Paul!

Ron Paul 2008!
McCain's bleeding our limited defense resources to shore up an unwinnable Iraq DISQAULIFiES him to be commander in Chief. If some other military emergency were to come up, we'd be unable to respond with our forces stretched too thin.
This could be the neocon conspiracy; to over draw our forces forcing a military buildup to further enslave us to the industrial military complex; the very thing Dwight Eisenhower, a former republican president warned us about.
Come on... None of the three have a foreign policy. Wake up. Media is media. While all three are mum on their concrete plans. Bush the elder and Perot were mum and politically correct. Bill Clinton said he will provide federal money to hire and put more cops on the streets. That won him the election and surprize surprize, he actually did it.

I am yet to hear a coherent economic plan, which will actually work and a foreign policy plan, which does not invovle US in a nuclear war with Pakistan, and does involve an eventual pull out from Iraq. I am not asking for a bloody timeline. I am asking for a coherent comprehensive plan. They don't have one. This ain't the movies. Presidential orders have consequences. Neither of the three seem to be aware of that.

A medical plan would be nice, but so far all 3 parties are playing various versions of let the insurance industry or the bureaucracy screw the people. Good slogans are nice. They even win elections.
I mean look communists in Russia had a good one during WWI, land to the farmers factories to the workers. In a post-feudal society that sounded heavenly back then... Need anyone be reminded what that led to? The collectivization, forced starvation, gross abuses of human rights...
But of course they said Titanic would not sink either, while building it with substandard materials.
Oh and our "three" presidential candidates are mum on a Pentagon contract of 74 mil to order more kevlar helmets for soldiers, from a factory, which was fined 2.4 mil for providing substandard thickness kevlar helmets, probably resulting in additional injuries and deaths for our troops. But do any of them give a damn? No...
So enough with name calling, enough with slogans. I want to hear plans. So far it does not sound like any of the three candidates have a coherent plan for anything other than vying for power.
I was hoping Biden would get the nomination; but, I would love to see an Obama/Biden ticket.  It would be the smartest ticket we've ever had!
I just hope that Senator Obama is not pushed by the dem party to take clinton as his VP. That would almost guarantee that he would be assinated. All who get in the clintons way end up dead, by "fatal accidents", or "suicide".
"Vote Democratic 2008 -- don't let the corporations and their Republican stooges win again. "

I'm always amazed at the desire to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Tell me, after Obama raises corporate taxes to 90%, after shutting down all foreign trade, after requiring corporations to pay for mandantory health care, $20/hr minimum wage, free dental, free childcare, and oh, 20 weeks vacation a year; after all this is down and surprise surprise all corporations are dead and unemployment is 30% - whoi then will will the next target?

"Tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no rich no more..."

I love Biden.  He's such a good person and I think he would make a great V.P. in any administration )if he didn't make Pres first)

I think Obama is our guy and I would love to see the class, skill, intelligence and strength of a Biden on our ticket.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08
Now this is the man who should be the dems presidential candidate, but we have let the media create the cults of personality that seems to more important to some, too bad, Joe would have been a great fighter for us all.
Vote DEM and take back our country. 08 is ours if we just get behind either candidate and stop 4 more years of this fiasco called the BUSH/CHENEY train wreak!


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