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Bill: I didn't hear Hillary 'whining'

Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:13 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
ST. MARY'S, PA -- Bill Clinton has been talking all day about how great he thought last night's debate was. At his most recent stop, he pushed back at some of the complaints coming from the Obama campaign, saying his wife didn't whine when she took some hits.

"[Obama staffers] were saying, 'Oh this is so negative, why are they doing this.' Well, they've been beatin' up on her for 15 months," Clinton said. "I didn't hear her whining when he said she was untruthful in Iowa, or called her the senator from Punjab... But you know, this is a contact sport. If you don't want to play, keep your uniform off."

Clinton also noted that the Obama camp has "said some pretty rough things about me, too," and shortly after again pushed back against the sentiment that there wasn't much difference between his or the Bush Administration.

"They've been trying to make that old mangy dog hunt since Nevada," he said.

He did say, though, that the race so far "has been basically positive campaign on the issues."

The stop in this small town was the third of the day, and the first to be held outdoors in the Keystone State. Much of the town turned out, either huddled in front of the three story house or standing in the street.

It was a very supportive crowd, as well, laughing at even the oldest of Clinton quips and loudly cheering the most simple stump line. And appropriately, given Clinton's comment, the campaign music playlist included a new addition before and after his speech -- the theme from "Rocky."

According to one local reporter, the visit by Clinton was the first by a sitting or former president in at least a century. Harry Truman did pass through when he was a senator from Missouri; Teddy Roosevelt passed nearby the town as he traveled by train to Washington shortly after President McKinley was shot in Buffalo.

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I am sure ALL the super delegates will have to be very seriously thinking if this crybaby can win the GE.
He can not! He should not! McCain will be accused of torture if he is mean to Obama.
The Dem's can ill afford such a bloodbath.
I see Billy is proud of his wifey...he should be. But she has whined and cried in the past so don't get confused. Also I saw Barack laughing at the sham of a debate. The American people were short changed in that tabloid fest. We hardly spoke about what we need to fix this ailing nation. But as long as Bill gets to say Hillary won by any means necessary we're good I guess. The Clinton machine is seriously defective and needs to be put on the shelf. They're hurting the party and not helping a soul!
Did Obama say cookies?
Did Obama say kitchen sink?
Did Obama get burnt in the kitchen last night?
Did Obama get bested by the LADY?
OH YES HE DID!! HURTS you crybaby!
Bill and Hilton supporters should thank Obama instead of saying he is weak. He chose that route in politics. Questions he could have asked to give back in same coin as Clinton (or the moderators could have):

(1) Can one accurately say you are implicitly spending Columbia's money while you claim to be against their trade deal since you fie a joint tax with Bill and he took 800K from them?

(2) If you are very serious about this opposition to the deal, why would you not fire your top staff member that collects money for promoting the deal you oppose?

(3) As a follow up to the Bosnia story (the way they kept hounding Barack): Can you call it a mispeak if you repeated the same falsehood three times?
Is Bill's explanation accurate that this happens when one 60 and getting a little forgetful?

(4) Do you believe that Barack is indeed elitist compared to you considering that you also went to Yale and made 110 million last year?

(5) Peter vs. Paul: Does this suit claiming payments in exchange for potential favors not keep dogging you folks not present a problem against the GOP - if not at worst another impeachment or white house trial?

The only counter Obama lobbed regarding pardon of the same underground members Clinton raised and she was asked if she wished to respond or wait till after the break, she quickly recoiled, chose the latter, and never brought it up again. Hill really is a bully!
A lot of restraint and discipline it must have taken to stick to his principles. As for ABC I am boycotting the political coverage here for the rest of the election.


Go home old Billy. Your time's up. There's a new Young and more charismatic and intelligent man in town. His name:

BARACK OBAMA!!!!
OH NO..."WHY DO I ALWAYS GET THE FIRST QUESTION", MAYBE WE SHOULD AGREE WITH SAT. NIGHT LIVE, YES, I DO THINK ITS HARDER BECAUSE I AM A WOMAM

Answer for Hill:  You can't choose your pastor, but YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR HUSBAND....
Bill.....you must be mistaken.  Don't you know that Obama never says anything negative about his opponent.

It's all about ME.
Clinton did nothing but whine, at least tell a lie that people will believe!
Billy boy must really think our memory is short.  Hillary was whining about adverse media coverage, let's hear it.....

FROM DAY ONE!

It really irks me how elitist Bill and Hillary are and how stupid they seem to think we are.
" ...saying his wife didn't whine when she took some hits."
--Yes she did.  She whined, she played the refs, she played the gender card.  It's certainly fair to do, but at least be honest about doing so.  And be honest about the type of politics she likes.
Is this a joke?  Does he not remember Hillary whining about getting the first questions in a debate...DURING THE DEBATE ITSELF?!?

Bill is getting disconnected from reality.
Bill he did not lie about Bosnia. They did not make a comment like"as far a I know" about his religion.  He did not PILE ON when a scurilous attack was made on Ayers.  In fact Obama ,himself, did not take shot at Hillary last night.

You on the other hand want your restoration so much you will personally attack a  man from a broken home  who raised himself up with the help of his mother and grandparents.  Just Like you Bill.  I guess your an ELITIST to.  
Yeah, the Clintons never whined about unfair treatment by bringing up a SNL skit during a debate or ranting "Shame on you, Barack Obama!"  That didn't happen.
That old mangy dog has opened up a can of whoop$#@ on ya Bill!

You're losin. You know the signs. Get over it.

YES WE CAN !
OMG!  Is this idiot serious?

I don't see Obama "whining" any different than I have seen HRC "whining" in the past.

How does this help EITHER candidate?  It DOESN'T.  The debate was a farce, and all this bloodletting just destroys both of them.

STOP.  JUST STOP.  Please.  I am getting ill from all the spin, the hate, and the vile.  

I know the Clintonies are eager to dance on Obama's political grave, but at what cost?  What joy will you have if he does go down in flames and the republicans win?  Or if she wins and tells you "screw 'em - we won, we'll do it OUR way."

Who cares about pins and who knows who?  Give me a break!  Everyone I know is having a hard time making ends meet.  With all of the stupidity, are we really ready for Bush part 4 (HW, W, McCain)?

WJC is an arrogant fool.  The whole primary is disgusting.  

Also - if you think MSNBC is biased, check out the Hillary Love Fest morning show (otherwise known as "Morning Joe" - what a putz).
Clearly Hillary's hubby does not get it.  The debates offer more than just a test to see what will or will not stick to a candidate when hurled at them.  It is an opportunity to educate voters what vision each contender has for our future.  Pennsylvania denied there voters that opportunity.  They are the ones who should be whining about how sorry the debate was organized.
"Well, could I just point out that, in the last several debates, I seem to get the first question all the time.  And I don't mind.  You know, I'll be happy to field them, but I do find it curious.  And if anybody saw "Saturday Night Live," you know, maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable and needs another pillow." - Hillary Clinton, Cleveland Debates


Oh no - she didn't whine AT ALL!
You can't choose your family, but you can choose your paster.  Except for your husband.

After an extremely biased debate where even the moderators were on the attack, the Clintons and the Clintonistas will be reinvigorated.  Untill the next 3 primaries are done.

Obama didn't cry at all last night, unlike Hillary "Why do I always get the first question, please hand me a Kleenex" Clinton.
Bill Clinton:  "But you know, this is a contact sport. If you don't want to play, keep your uniform off."
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I must concede, Bill Clinton is the expert on contact sports with your uniform off.

For the record, Bill, I have heard Hillary whine plenty about all the "mean boys" in this election, shedding tears whenever it's politically advantageous to her, "Why do I always get the first questions?", "the media's not being fair", etc.  

Truthfully, I'm not sure I could take four more years of Hillary AND Bill!
Again, another lie from Clinton. She did whine about the media bias before Ohio and Texas - and ever since then the media has backed down. I'm beginning to wonder if the Clintons experience physical pain if they DON'T embellish the truth or outright lie.

What should bother people is the fact that the Clinton’s are not joining in on how ABC ripped-off PA voters by waiting for AN HOUR before talking about the NUMBER ONE issue to voters – the economy! But then again, it falls in line with their order of priorities:

1. Promote themselves and their personal interests
2. Demote others who disagree with them
3. Do a token favor to the American public – but only if they voted for them

If #3 sounds familiar, it should: This is the same tactic Rove/Bush has taken the last 7 years. Which party is Clinton representing again?
Hey Bubba, has your wife paid her campaign bills yet?  You would think that someone who made 109 million dollars in a ten year period, would pay her bills.

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.  Just ask their creditors.
Are you serious Bill? She made a point of it in a debate for gods sake! Not to mention the countless times she and he have continued to cry about "all the boys" ganging up on her. Does Bill really think we are idiots! I swear he is out to ruin her.
I'm suprised he hear anything with all the bills and coins falling from the sky from Columbia.  Plus I don't think she can hear from all the sniper fire that she has faced over the years.  These 2 are getting on my nerve and making me BITTER....
Bill Clinton is a whoremonger.  Hillary Clinton is a powermonger.  John McCain is a warmonger.  Obama is a hopemonger.  Just my thoughts for the day.
Go away Bill.  If you didn't think the debate last night was biased toward your wife, you're an imbecile.
You mean you didn't hear Hilary complain at the MSNBC Debate when she referenced the SNL skit and why she always got the first question?
Hush, Bill before the wrong thing comes out.

Go home and manage your lobbying schedule and balance your checkbook!
Oh for Gawd's sake Clinton's, just go ahead and announce you've switched parties and are becoming Republicans already!

Hillary has been working so hard for McCain it makes you wonder if he's promised her the VP slot.
Maybe we can make ROCKY 13 - In it Sly will fight Hill and maybe she could win - but wait,,,it's a ROCKY movie
I'm so glad that Pres Clinton at least keeps his humor and perspective intact.  Without taking disrespectful swipes an Sen Obama.  Unlike Sen Obama whose attempts at humor come of as smug and disrespectful of Sen Clinton.  
Bill is a Joke... HIllary was whining on national telvision "why do i get all the questions"

I still don't understand the end game... is it bring down OBAMA so he can't win in November.

There is NO WAY (short of day light THEFT) he can lose the Democratic nomination.

Hillary is an oppertunistic weasel.
"If you don't want to play keep your uniform off?"

Bill, you certainly have had enough experience with your pants down around your ankles so I wouldn't go beatin up on Barack just yet!!!!
"....saying his wife didn't whine when she took some hits".   funny, But i recall Hillary whining while she was taking hits.  Remember the " why do I have to answer questions first whine".   Man, talk about short term memory.  If there is a God in heaven please end this now. I've never seen such destructive politics that is going to take the whole party down. I don't think my heart or this country can take 4 more years of Republican rule. Please stop Hillary and get out for the sake of the party. Please!  
If Obama can't handle this, he'll never be able to handle the republicans. He should just man up and just admit he had a bad night, no one is perfect, but to play this wounded victim role is really unattractive and unbecoming of a leader. Do your history, this is a picnic compare to the founding fathers. The job of President is tough and he needs to stop whining.
riggght she wasn't whining when she complained about media coverage or complained about getting asked the first question in debates or about Obama getting a "free ride? I guess it depends what your definition of "whine" is. Nice try Bill, keep up the great work, the negative ratings will be at 60% next month.
Pllllzzzz Pennsylvania, rid us of the Clintons once and for all.  I'm so sick of Bill and Hillary Clinton that I could scream.  How could anyone want those two back in the White House.  
Yeah, right!!!! Didn't she whine against Russert about the Media bias. Didn't Bill whine about the big "right wing conspiracy" LOL
He didn't hear her whining??  Is he serious?!

The entire country heard her WHINE at the Ohio debate over merely being asked the first question!  I can't imagine how HRC would have reacted to a 45 minute barrage of rude tabloidesque questions on non-issues like Obama had to endure last night.  I am relatively certain she wouldn't have handled it with nearly as much class.
The ABC debate was simply awful.  No one I knows cares a hoot about the questions that were asked.
Ok Gomer Pile!  Thanks for the oke-doke rhetoric.  Please take your 'old mangy dog' back where you came from.. oh and before your groupies get mad.. those were YOUR words.  
It would seem as though on top of Hillary getting over tired at 11 Bill is having trouble with his hearing enhancement device.
Perhaps he should replace the battery, or actually wear it even though folks will say things.
Well I guess if he didn't hear it,,,than it didn't happen.  Why doesn't he just sit down and get back to what is more important to him - the person under the desk
He is so correct.  The minute this obama gets a tough question (legitimate questions about his character) he cries like a witch.  Hillary has been taking it from both sides for over a year then the 1 term senator gets some questions and he is all flabergasted and whines about it.  I don't want a littly whiny as my President.  Go Pennsylvania!!! Go Hillary-- Show Mr. Obama what small town working class voters really feel
Exactly!!  Obamabots are whining about the ABC debate - they're even planning to boycott their advertisers.

Obama FINALLY gets some scrutiny and Obamabots go crazy!
Their whining makes Obama appear he can't take the heat in the general and would require the media continuing their red carpet treatment for him.

Very elitist.
Really... You didn't hear her whining Bill?

Forgive me for paraphasing:

'Maybe we should ask Barack if he would like another pillow?'

'I can't help but notice that I always seem to get the first question...'

The most tragic thing about this election for me is that I have lost all respect for Bill Clinton... I believed in him, I defended, I considered the time that I was lucky enough to hear him speak live a high point.

BILL: I DIDN'T HEAR HILLARY 'WHINING'

You are right Bill, but Monica whined alot when you left your cigar in her!
can you believe that your wife is going to lose to a 1st term senator,that says alot about your legacey,not so funny now,HA HA,LOOK WHO LAUGHING NOW.
Obama supporters have lost "all respect for the Clintons." More whining.

Go away -- we don't care.  

Half of the Democrats are voting for Hillary Clinton, and Obama supporters appear to be unable to understand that.  Barack Obama can never win the nomination because he's now pissed off half the Democratic Party with his divisive politics.  

Barack Obama's a whiner. At least John McCain isn't.


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