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Obama goes after McCain on economy

Posted: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:16 AM by Domenico Montanaro



From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
WILLIAMSPORT, Pa. -- Obama didn't let go of his attack on McCain in Williamsport yesterday afternoon, continuing to criticize the Republican nominee for a comment that he made about the economy making progress under George W. Bush.

"Our economy is in shambles," Obama said before listing off statistics about how a community likes Williamsport had been affected over the last few years, citing losses in manufacturing jobs at sewing plants and window plants in the area.

"Lycoming County unemployment is at its highest point in three years and family incomes aren't keeping up with the rest of the country," Obama said. (Williamsport is in Lycoming.)

"Now, that's what's going on here, but I don't need to tell you this, it’s going on all across the country. John McCain yesterday said that we are, that, that during George Bush's tenure, the economy actually made great progress. That's his quote," Obama said.

However, the attack, like the one earlier today parsed McCain's comments, quoting him on saying that the economy had grown but not including the fact that McCain acknowledged job losses and had said that the economic statistics brought "no comfort" to those suffering the most from the recent downturn.

Obama, himself, earlier in the day at a town hall in Erie, also acknowledged that the economy had made progress.

"Our economy actually expanded over the last seven years, that's true," he said, before going on to talk about how the expansion was unprecedented because wages had not increased along with the rise in GDP.

Obama, parsing McCain's statements yesterday, added: "Now, keep in mind, this is a guy who called me out of touch."

He went on to list all that had gone wrong in the Bush years. "More people without health care since George Bush took office; more children in poverty since George Bush took office; it is true that the economy grew while George Bush was in office, but here's the catch, this is the first time in at least, since WWII that average family incomes actually went down during an economic expansion. People actually on average had a $1,000 less per family when you adjust it for inflation."

"You understand this reality," Obama said to the more than 2,000 in attendance. "People are working harder and harder just to get by." 

The McCain camp, though pushed back hard against this yesterday, sending along this response: “American families are hurting and Barack Obama is being recklessly dishonest. It is clear that Barack Obama is intentionally twisting John McCain’s words completely out of context. Obama is guilty of deliberately distorting John McCain’s comments for pure political gain, which is exactly what Senator Obama was complaining about just yesterday.”

McCain's actual quote while speaking on Bloomberg TV, per the McCain camp was: "I think if you look at the overall record and millions of jobs have been created, et cetera, et cetera, you could make an argument that there’s been great progress economically over that period of time.  But that’s no comfort.  That’s no comfort to families now that are facing these tremendous economic challenges." 

The Obama crowd though was sympathetic to the argument. One woman stood up to tell Obama that no one took offense to his comments about small town Americans being "bitter."

"Sen. Obama, thank you so much for coming to our area of Pennsylvania,” she said. “I wanted to let you know that I am a Christian and my husband is a Christian and a sportsman with guns. We are not bitter over your statements about Pennsylvanians.”

She added, "However, we are bitter about how your opponents are spinning your statements."

This was the second time yesterday that pushback from Obama's supporters at town halls occurred and reflects a pattern that's taken place over the past few days.

Reflecting just how skewed these events now are with supporters, one older man told Obama that he wanted to see him in office until "2012."

Obama gently corrected him and said, "It's actually 2016." But perhaps aware that he has yet to secure even the nomination for his own party, Obama joked: "I don't want to count my chickens before I'm hatched, before they’re hatched," he said, quickly catching his mistake.

*** UPDATE *** The RNC, effectively an arm of the McCain campaign, sends along its own response: “Barack Obama does not understand the American economy. If major media are rejecting Barack Obama’s complete twisting of John McCain’s remarks on the economy, when will Obama begin to speak honestly about his own plan for our economy? Rather than offer distorted attacks, Obama should explain why he wants to raise taxes on hard working Pennsylvanians. If Obama understood the American economy, he would never propose higher taxes and spending during challenging economic times."

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Interesting that MSNBC is taking pains to point out the full context of McCain's remarks, which doesn't actually help him much.

Yet when Obama's "bitter" remarks were taken out of context, MSNBC did absolutely nothing to put it in the larger context in which they were said. As Obama told the media guys, they feed on controversy, they feed on conflict.

MSNBC is, other than Fox, the only channel drooling over every hand gesture Obama makes, eager to misinterpret them and mislead people.

Shame on the media. Americans can no longer trust you. Fortunately we are electing Obama anyway, despite your false rhetoric.
Here goes McBush again trying to convince americans to take out another credit card from the bank of China.Who would listen to anything he has to says about the economy when he himself says he doesn't know anything about it.Good Grief!!!!!And ABC moderators are asking questions about stupid flagpins.
The bottom line is that John McCain can say anything he wants, it doesn't change the fact that his economic policies (or his advisers' since he doesn't understand the economy) won't be any different from Bush's.  How do you fix the problems in the economy?  More tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class and working poor.  That's the Bush policy and that'll be John McSame's policy, his words notwithstanding.
Question: Where is your coverage of the record-breaking 35K plus rally Obama held last night in Philly?

You're behind the 8-Ball.
Aswini -
Did McCain, or did he not, say that the economy has made great progress under the presidency of George Bush?????  Indeed, he did.  The fact that AFTER that statement, he threw a bone out to the people who have lost their jobs is beside the point.  McCain believes the policies of George W. Bush are working.  Obama is right to call him on it.
McCain wants to have it both ways. He is out of touch to tell people about the increased number of jobs created, without acknowledging these are service industry jobs more suited to high school students, and unmarried college students who do not have the burden of providing amply for their family's basic needs, and health care. These poor people can never consider taking a vacation. Many of the so-called jobs McCain is referring to do not provide a middle class living with as many as 2 or 3 of them.

This rational has long been a repub talking point which is not lucid, or logical. Obama correctly pointed that out, explained about the disproportionate rise of the cost of living to that of wages which are falling farther, and farther behind.

Obama '08
Oh my God he is attacking!!!
This is Washington politics!!
WTF is going on Obama? You are sinking into the quicksand of dirty politics!
And is your gun supporter unaware you SIGNED the BAN you lied about at the debate! You best tell you are a
not that good of a Christian to lie like that!
Oh my God he is attacking!!!
This is Washington politics!!
WTF is going on Obama? You are sinking into the quicksand of dirty politics!
And is your gun supporter unaware you SIGNED the BAN you lied about at the debate! You best tell you are a
not that good of a Christian to lie like that!
Obama is NOT a gun supporter PA, get a fack check, you are being bamboozled!
What about the rally at Independence park last night.
Having over 35,000 at a political rally in Philly is not news???
McCain's rhetoric sounds exactly like Bush telling us how good the economy is.  I'm a republican (maybe I used to be a republican) and I believe that we cannot take four more years of Bush policies.  Obama!!!!
Aswini, John did say that the economy has made progress and that he'd be okay if we were in Iraq for a 100 years. Those are indisputable facts. When you put those statements into whatever context it doesn't change the meaning. HIs ideas of progress are very different from the progress America needs - both on the economy and in Iraq - and Senator Obama is right to point that out.
90% of Americans think the economy is troubled.
The majority of Americans favor withdrawl from Iraq
The earth has a fever.
On 4/22, let's change the mistakes made since 9/11
Obama/Rendell 08
Looking forward to Obama's explanation about how raising taxes helps the economy.
Women in PA have a heavy responsibility!
Let us all hope PA puts an end to the Democratic Party's misery and supports Sen. Obama. (It is time to bring jobs back to those who have lost their income. This can only be done by a President who does not owe anything to foreign interests and large corporations.) Women in particular will carry a heavy responsibility on Tuesday.
Once Mrs. Clinton is out of the way, a debate on substance can take place between Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama, two decent Americans.
I think Obama means that he doesn't want to expose his sense of entitlement to the Presidency that he feels when he made the "counting chickens" metaphor.  
Good for Obama.  Too bad the media is focused on the Pope's visit, Hillary needs to be asked about her 'behind closed doors comments' about moveon.org. Talk about a hypocrite.

Go Barack Go!
Obama is right. We just don't have the government controlling enough of the economy. I look forward to 1 president and 500+ congressmen being in charge of our daily lives.
As soon as people realized who they elected in Obama, impeachment proceedings would begin.
Looks like Obama is going after the "dumb vote". Isn't that Hillary's territory?
To all Hillary supporters and true Democrats, take a look and then think hard about the general election!

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/devastating_clinton_youtube_video_hits_web/
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Clinton Slams Democratic Activists At Private Fundraiser

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fremon/clinton-slams-democratic_b_97484.html
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My Recollection of Hillary Clinton at the 1995 Camp David Meeting
Hillary said "Scew Em"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theda-skocpol/my-recollection-of-the-19_b_97291.html
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http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/will_the_media_ever_report_on_the_upcoming_clinton_vs_paul_trial

Obama is very good at explaining what is wrong. Does he have any idea about what to do about any problems? Certainly no explanation or information came out in this article. The man seems to have no ideas, no plans, no policies, and no record to point towards.
John McCain  -  a decent, honorable man with a dangerously simplistic view of the world.
Let's see, Obama gets upset when Clinton and McCain take his words out of context, but it's okay for him to take their words out of context? Doesn't sound like "new politics" to me. When he said "antipathy towards people who are not like them", it wasn't taken out of context. He said people are bitter because of the economy and because of this they turn to bigotry.
FR - why do I not see a headline about HRC's fundraiser gaffe?  It was all over "Countdown" and "Verdict" last night (Dan even called it "breaking news", which was probably a bit of a stretch).  If she happens to pull this nomination out of her arse, how will she win the GE without the MoveOn.org crowd?  Why is this not making news like the "bitter" ridiculousness?
The PA primary will be interesting. Michael Smerconish from Philly predicted a 51-49 Obama victory. Wow! If the Williamsport comments are multiplied acrosss the state this thing could be over. I'm bitter about the last 8 years and I have a full-time job that is fairly secure. So,all I can say is vote the BIG "O".
David Gregory asserts that ABC properly asked "tough" questions of Obama at the debate (Russert's Sat show).  I think he's dead wrong.  The questions weren't "tough."  They were pedestrian.  They'd been asked and answered many times.  What I saw were journalists unprepared to ask policy questions with "tough," informed follow-up.  Re-asking the popular gotcha questions, looking for a gaffe (which Gregory characterizes as "testing" the candidates) is plain and simple cheap journalism.  What people are looking for is hard questions about important matters.  ABC failed to provide that and that's why so many viewers were disappointed.
Barack Obama represents and truly believes in a real deviation from this type of campaigning. What amazes me is how absolutely consistent he has been between his book that was written years ago and the words he speaks today. He has not changed his tune when he was down in the polls. He has not said that things would be easy. You see a new political philosophy that is taking strong root. It is represented by those 35,000 at Independence Park and countless other records setting events.

Barack has inspired me, not by telling me HE can save the World, but by telling me that I MUST save the world. For the past many years I have looked on and complained at what was going on around me. Thinking, "How could this happen in this great country? How could our leaders let things get so bad?" What I did not realize was that voting is just the first step in making real change. You must then be informed, then show up, then take action and make your voice heard. Not just at the ballet box, but by starting a blog, sending a letter, donating some money, showing up in the public gallery, sitting on a committee, running for office and more, more, more.

You have to do what you can, not what is easy. Watching the news dribble and the spectacle should not serve to pacify you, it should be inspiration to turn off the TV and go sign up for something.

This is what Barack Obama means to me. This is my chance to put action behind the words. My chance to show my children what it means to take back our country. What it truly means to be a democracy and why America is the greatest country in the World.

Please reach deep in your heart, look in your soul. You know this is the way it should be. The way it was supposed to be all along. Let us get Barack Obama to the White House, let's get off our asses and make this happen. For the love of our country, the love of communities, the love of neighbors and the love of our children.

We can change the World... YES WE CAN!

http://laststopmidwest.blogspot.com
JOHN MCCAIN HAS BEEN RECKLESSY DISHONEST ABOUT THE WAR IN IRAQ AND THE COST OF THIS BLUNDER TO AMERICA!
The economy was great for the war profiteers, big oil, corporate CEO's and the unacountable so called "government" in Iraq. The same people mccain will cater to, just like bush. As a veteran and gun owner, I am bitter about the lack of decency and competence in government over the last 7+ years, and would never consider voting for more of the same. Just say NO to mccain/bush!
why are you guys neglecting to write about Obama last campaign event in Philly last night?  Where he drew 35,000 people and revealed a new speech with direct references to Hillary.  Chuck you are getting sloppy, first with your Petrateus will run for the Senate from NY, Clinton will reveal a softer side at ABC debate to now on TR saying Obama would be doing small events during the final leg of the Penn primary.  Do you guys do any investigative reporting or just you and your buds hang out by he water cooler and make up stuff?  I believing the later especially after the ABC debate.
Obama criticizes McCain by twisting his words, yet Obama is repeating exactly what McCain said during his economic speech about jobs being lost. You can't cry about getting hardballs at a debate, twist McCain's words on 100-year presence/economics, then suggest you are ready to be president by talking about the issues.
I learned from a highschool teacher that anything less than the whole truth is just as effective as a lie.  I'm disappointed in Mr. Obama.  His ratings go up and his forthrightness goes down.  This is not what I want to see in a President.  Will somebody please ask him to quit.  To be so intelligent, why does even go there?  
I learned from a highschool teacher that anything less than the whole truth is just as effective as a lie.  I'm disappointed in Mr. Obama.  His ratings go up and his forthrightness goes down.  This is not what I want to see in a President.  Will somebody please ask him to quit.  To be so intelligent, why does even go there?  
Russert, Gregory and Chuck Todd.  I am outraged.  Are you that desperate to keep the race going that you keep bashing Obama.  Remember when you media people allowed America to be lied into the war in Iraq?
 I knew it was Bush/Cheney propaganda, and of course the media knew.  They were too concerned with ratings to tell the American people the truth.  Russert and Cheney are both doing fine.  Millionaires.

Hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis never mentioned.
And now you are lying about Obama, shovelling the propaganda that McCain is a foreign policy expert.
A blue-collar guy whose tax breaks benefit the rich and the obscenely rich.
You 3 have ONE goal:  ratings.  You proved it when you rolled over and let Cheney lie us into war.  And you're proving it again.

The ONLY story you have been running is "How can Hillary Clinton win?"
How about REAL scrutiny.   If youre so concerned that the voters dont know anything about Obama, why not TELL them something?  Read aloud the 2002 speech.  To the voters.  Us.  Tell about his mother's life work.  His teaching the constitution and how that should be a requirement for future presidents.  His experience in the state legislature and how that should also be a requirement.  Mention what he gave up in NYC in the Reagan 1980's when he left for a $13,000 a year job
in Chicago's South side.
He had always been the poor kid, the black scholarship boy among the rich and very rich students at Punahou and Columbia.  He had his chance to make it in NYC, but he walked away to try to help poor people.  I am amazed by his action.  I was in NYC in the early 1980's.  Money was the new sex, and he left it behind.  Tell that story.  Stop the propaganda.  Look how you have failed miserably with Hillary.  Now you are going to be shovelling propaganda trying to keep McCain in a horse race.  It will backfire.  No one will watch your biased shows.
Thanks for the war.  Im shocked but not awed.    Maybe you will get another war to help your ratings. Immoral.  Blessed are the peacemakers.

Drinking orange juice, eating arugula, bitter until the inauguration of #44 OBAMA


McShame is the one to talk about twisting words...

Four more years of the war will drive this country in the poor house...for what?  Happy Iraq's..?
What about happy Americans...Where's our blessings of liberty and happiness?

The time to stop this blood spilling is overdue...

Protection of the Peoples of Iraq is their destiny..
not our reponsiblity..unless we did something wrong in the first place...did we unjustly invade their country? Do you feel responsible...???
This "Noble Cause" is a fabrication of guilt and horror unfolding in our lifes everyday...
Enough is enough...
   McCain seems to be saying that despite individual problems, President Bush has been a good steward of the economy - so I don't think Obama's parsing of McCain's "great progress" actually misstates his intent.  Why do I get the feeling the media has an agenda of proving that Obama is just another politician?  I was listening to two MSNBC reporters on Tim Russert's show today, and they seemed to try to justify the recent negative and rather superficial press coverage of Obama - the 45 minutes of the ABC debate that largely focused on his past associations, for example - by taking a page from the Clinton camp, claiming that this is what he'll have to deal with if elected president.  Isn't this a self-fulfilling prophecy: justifying the low professional standard of current press coverage by suggesting things will be the same or worse in the future?  Hmmm.  Perhaps the press could try instead to improve the quality of its reporting.  What occurs to me is that I've never seen Hilary Clinton grilled like that during this primary season - further, that our current president, a former alcholic who had few successes in his life before the presidency that were not managed by family influence (and fewer still in office), who failed to satisfactorily complete his cushy military service, and who was characterized by one law school professor as a compulsive liar, hardly received the same scrutiny - if he had, he wouldn't be in the White House.  
    Were these issues in George Bush's past as important as Barrack Obama's brief associations along the way with left-wing figures like Ayers - now reformed, but who committed serious crimes many years ago?  With a pastor that makes inflammatory statements?  Would these questions about Bush have been useful for the American people to consider before they voted in 2000 and 2004?  My sense is that what we get from corporate media has a large dose of self-interest in it - and that means that what is broadcast cannot displease too many powerful people: the Clintons will call - and I'm sure, threaten - a reporter's boss about negative coverage, for example. And surely that's not where the flow of money and politcal pressure ends: who can say why questions from right wing commentators were being voiced by supposedly neutral moderators at the ABC debate?  So when MoveOn.org, or other supporters of Obama show intense anger about this "balanced" reporting, they're really saying that the game is tilted - the system is corrupt: all press coverage is equal, but some coverage is more equal than other coverage.
We need a Dem candidate!  And soon.  John McCain continues to have the benefit of the RNC nuts fighting back for him yet our candidates have to respond without the uniformed accord of the DNC.  Hillary and Barack, join hands or someone step aside.  This has gone on for far too long and the Superdelegates or SOMEBODY has to make this stop or else we'll have 4 more years of Bush's warped and poisoned administration.
To those who think that citing a quote out of context is no big deal, and is dirty politics, it's  the same thing as the whole Jeremiah Wright fiasco.  "100 years in Iraq, under peaceable circumstances" and "100 years in Iraq, losing american lives everyday" are completely different statements.  "Statistically, the economy has improved, but individually many people are hurting" is a far cry from "under Bush the economy got better."  Context is everything.  McCain isn't a simple minded fool.  He's expressing nuanced positions, like an person who is honest with the world tries to do, and he's being reduced to simplified positions and attacked for them.

It's disingenuous, replete with dishonesty and certainly not the politics of a candidate who truly wants to move beyond petty politics.

If Obama wants to debate positions and issues, confident that he has a better course for America, he should fairly represent the positions of the opposition... setting up a straw person argument does no one any good, least of all the American people.
The media is AFRAID to hold McCain to the same standards. The media is AFRAID of the GOP!

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3346

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3316
Even democratic analysts think Obama completely clueless about economic issues. Obama's answers to tax questions on the debate showed his complete lack of knowledge about it and economic realities.

The Obamabots are so wrapped up in their fantasies they don't realize Obama is the second coming of Carter.. the worst president of the 20th century. When you put a clueless, inexperienced idealist at the helm, disaster is right around the corner.

Clinton made some economic mistakes also in that debate but at least they were minor gaffes compared to Obama's total ineptitude.
Please, give me a break!! This coming from the party that has finished the sale off of a American jobs to foreign countries, given tax breaks to the wealthy, bailed out Bear & Sterns and the banks, borrows against our children and grandchildren's futures, spends $12 million a month on Iraq, has forgotten about Afghanistan, leaves our veterans homeless and denies them the care and services they've earned by fighting a civil war in Iraq, left thousands of folks homeless in Louisiana - 12,000 still homeless, and living in formaldehyde filled trailors, ignores the thousands of Americans on the verge of losing their homes and paying the highest gas prices we've ever seen in this country and that's just the tip of the iceberg! And they want the American people to put their trust in them again for another 4 years...how STUPID do they really think we are???

Barack Obama 08
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!
The RNC lecturing people on fiscal responsibility!
Bwahhh ahahahhh hahahah hahahah ahahahh ahhh haa.
Ow that hurt my sides.

What next, will they lecture us on ethics, human rights and civil liberties?
"RNC" the "Really Not Care" about the people Committee..........................REPUBLICANS; THE PARTY OF DIVISION.  Their newest members are:  HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON!!!!  THE LEGACY PEOPLE'S PARTY.

Voter in CA
kathleen, san juan (Sent Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:55 PM)

Kathleen, I loved what you wrote. Very passionate, very true. Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts.
Wow. You people can't read.  John McCain said exactly the same thing Obama (even Clinton) has said: that the economy did technically improve, but people are still finding it financially hard.  It's right there in black and white.  You might want to try again.
The truth is Obama and his campaign constantly enjoy distorting other people's argument.  And he, and others,(because you all are so fascinated with him) ignore his own shameful political maneuvering. He did it to Clinton and now he's doing it to McCain.  I wouldn't have such a problem with it if he didn't position himself as being above these "political games".  The man is a hypocrite.  Period.  
And as far as those comments go, it's kind of hard to take them out of context.  He basically said because people are frustrated financially and they focus on issues like guns, religion and distrust of others.  Last time I checked those were the stereotypical traits of a backwoods redneck.  Stop taking up for the man and hold him accountable.


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