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Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: Hillary's race to lose

Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:12 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Hillary’s race to lose: A new MSNBC/McClatchy/Pittsburgh Post-Gazette poll suggests things are staying fairly competitive in Pennsylvania. This survey of 625 likely Dem primary voters was conducted Thursday and Friday, and it shows Clinton leading Obama by five points, 48%-43%. So what happens on Tuesday? Looking inside the poll's demographics, the highest undecided totals are in the more rural parts of the state -- and that's not good news for Obama. In the so-called "T" region of the state (almost everything between Philly and Pittsburgh), Clinton leads 51%-37% with 11% undecided; this is one of the few demographic groups sporting double-digit undecided. Two other interesting crosstabs with high undecideds also signal the potential that the undecided vote will break for Clinton. Among bowlers (24% of the electorate) and gun owners (38% of the electorate), Clinton leads big among these cultural conservatives: She's up 54%-33% among bowlers and 53%-28% among gun owners. So while the poll shows Clinton with a narrow -- and arguably narrowing -- lead, the clues inside the numbers indicate this is her race to lose and that her lead could expand.

*** Will it be five points or more? Should tomorrow’s primary end up as close as this poll suggests (i.e., five points or less), then this means many of these undecided potential Clinton voters decided to stay home. If they come to the polls, she could see her lead climb to more than five points. And this seems to be why Obama has gone negative in the past couple of days: to keep these undecideds away. He might have also sharpened his tone a bit to beat back the growing post-debate perception that he was looking weak. After all, the undecided voter in Pennsylvania looks to be the type of voter that wants to see a strong walkin' and talkin' candidate. So here’s the game on Tuesday -- it’s not if Clinton will win, but how big will her victory be. She'd like to net more than 200,000 in the popular vote, which she would only get with both a large turnout (approximately 2 million total) and a 10-point-plus victory.

*** Practice makes perfect: For all the recycled Clinton-Obama bickering this past weekend -- over health care, who’s being more negative, and who’s saying nice things about Republicans or using GOP talking points -- Democrats should be encouraged by what they're seeing in terms of the general election, at least when it comes to the blocking and tackling of politics. Their rapid response teams of both these campaigns are well oiled and battle tested. And as Newsweek reported, Team Obama is expanding its rapid response squad for the general. But the same can’t be said for team McCain, which isn’t quite sure whether its opponent will be Obama or Clinton and which hasn’t engaged in all-out political fight since Florida back in January.

*** Biting the hand that feeds you? The McCain campaign is known for its love of the media, but there may be no more vicious campaign to deal with when it thinks its media lovers have scorned them. Just check out McCain adviser Mark Salter’s reaction to yesterday’s Washington Post piece looking at McCain’s temper. “In sum, this is one of the more shoddy examples of journalism I've ever encountered,” he said. “But for the infamous NYT story, I'd say it was the worst smear job on McCain I'd ever seen." This is the McCain campaign’s plan to combat what is going to be a much more hostile press than they ever imagined. The question is whether the campaign will grow thicker skin or whether the relationship between McCain and the media will simply deteriorate. One other thing: The pushback on the story was bizarre for another reason. It may have been a story that was somewhat ignored in the runup to Pennsylvania and, frankly, the premise wasn't all that new. In fact, McCain has become very adept at answering this question. But the Salter response was so brutal, it almost dares folks to find stories on McCain's temper -- something we're guessing most of the press corps wasn't all that interested in pursuing.

*** Another week, another McCain tour: Speaking of McCain, he begins his Time for Action Tour from Selma, AL, where he gives a speech this morning at the Edmund Pettus Bridge -- one of the landmarks of the civil-rights movement -- and then he will visit other parts of the state. “The beaten and dispersed army on Edmund Pettus Bridge had conquered something after all - the indifference of too many Americans to their courageous struggle for the basic rights of American citizenship,” McCain will say, according to excerpts released by his campaign. “In America all things are possible, even a civilization as great as the one envisioned by Dr. King and John Lewis. But we are practical people, and most of us are honest, and we know we have a ways to go. This week, I will be traveling to places in America that aren't enjoying the prosperity many other parts of America enjoy, but where people are walking a long, hard road to make sure that their children will know the opportunities that other American children possess.”  Those places include Youngstown, OH (where he will be Tuesday), Prestonsburg, KY (Wednesday), and New Orleans (Thursday). By the way, McCain’s tour this week is a good counter program to whoever loses Pennsylvania -- meaning he'll be talking to either white working-class voters that Obama will need or poor blacks that Clinton will need.

*** The woman in red? The official March fundraising numbers are out. They are basically meaningless numbers -- since much of the money has already been spent -- but going into April, Obama had more than $40 million in cash to spend in the primary, after raising approx. $41 million. As for Clinton, her March fundraising report has just gone online, but we don't yet know the primary/general split of the $20 million she raised or the primary/general split of the $31 million in cash on hand. Yet at least $22 million of that $31 million is designated for the general, leaving Clinton less than $10 million to spend at the end of March. By the way, when you factor in Clinton's $10 million+ debt, she was technically operating in the red at the end of March.

*** The delegate count: Over the weekend, Clinton picked up the backing of Ohio congressman Tim Ryan, and Obama got the support of the Nebraska Democratic Party chairman. In keeping in contact with the campaigns, we also adjusted Obama's number up one more, as another DNC member is backing him. The superdelegate count now is: Clinton 262, Obama 237. Obama leads by 141 in the overall count: 1,654-1,513. He also leads by 166 in the pledged delegate count: 1,417-1,251.

*** On the trail: The day before the Pennsylvania primary, Clinton holds rallies in Scranton, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, and Philadelphia; Obama attends a town hall in McKeesport, holds a rally in Pittsburgh, and makes a pre-taped appearance on Comedy Central’s Daily Show; and Cindy McCain co-hosts the View. Also, Bill Clinton joins his wife during her stops in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and Michelle Obama joins her husband in McKeesport and Pittsburgh.

Countdown to Pennsylvania: 1 day
Countdown to North Carolina, Indiana: 15 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 197 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 274 days
 
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She is simply an untrustworthy hypocrite. She will rule the White House not with integrity but with hypocrisy, not with principle but with deceit, not with courage but with bluff and intimidation, not with compassion but with self-interest.
I am sorry if I offend you Hillary, but that is the truth.
It will be 10-12 point victory for Hillary. She's finally succeeded in pulling Obama into the mud. A wise old politician once told me that when you fight with a skunk, pretty soon it's hard to tell who is the skunk. That has been the Clinton strategy for two months. It has worked.

Still, other than the media going crazy that Hillary has exceeded expectations and over-analyzing why Obama is dropping, and focusing on race ... her position isn't any better if she doesn't pick up 30-35 net delegates in PA.
Chuck Todd, I understand your logic behind the "T" undecided number, but what about the fact that the demographics also show that the poll questioned the +65 age group at 29%?  According to the US census 2006 estimate, Penn has a 15% population with respect to the +65 age group.  If you take out the 18 and younger (non voting) group, the +65 group increases to about 19 to 20% of the voting population.  Why then did the poll use the +65 age group at a 29% level?  Would this fact make the poll biased toward Clinton then making it invalid?  Just wondering.
We can choose Barack Obama, who provides the vision and leadership America needs for these troubled times. He is not inclined to sell out for personal or political gain.

Otherwise, we automatically choose John McCain, whose dangerously simplistic view of the world leads us deeper into crisis.
Good luck tomorrow Senator Obama.
The Obamapods are out early with their nasty empty rhetoric this morning, i.e. Jon TX.

Hillary will kill Obama in PA, and then use that momentum to kill him in Indiana, which will then make for a limited victory for Obama in NC.  She will narrow his pledged delegate lead, and pick up more super delegates so that there really isn't much of a lead for him, or, perhaps, gain the lead herself.  In addition, when one includes Florida, it will be even more clear that Hillary had won the popular vote, so as to make any Obama complaints to his defeat at the convention, hallow and disingenuous.
"Barbie" on The View...how nice.  Maybe they can all swap recipes?
Unnamed sources claim the Presidential Election will have something new this year, a 'Swimsuit Competition'. Purportedly scheduled for the second debate, it will feature both a 'Bikini Segment' and a 'Thong Segment'.
Billary will also be on Countdown tonight....you guys may want to atleast plug your own show...

I'm sure Keith'll play nice, but I know he wants to call out her campaign's rediculous-ness...
I am really amazed when I see how many American people are guided, controlled and manipulated by the media.  Many people are suffering the tremendous financially damages this president has done and is doing to this country.
When I travel around Europe, Asia and Latino-America, I hear people talking about this country and I feel sad, sad because at the end, the problem is not the President, the problem is those who have so soft mind and brain that they cannot think or see beyond what the media is showing us every day.
Interesting is that American children spent more time on front of the TV that most children in the rest of the world.  It show that it is true, that many are made up, educated and empower only for what they see on TV and it doesn’t give them the chance and opportunity to think and realize what is the best choice.
Since the middle of November, the media starts a campaign against a WOMAN, trying to put her down, destroy her reputation and making her look like a liar and so on.  I have been checking and trying to understand why so much hate and anger against one women.  I got the conclusion that it is because the BIAS THAT EXIST AGAINST WOEMN IN THIS COUTNRY.
Since then, automatically, we have see the born of A SUPER MAN (SUPER OBAMA). This super man is the result of a group of white people, who have the power and control on the media, and it amaze me to see that even so, that woman has been able to survive, to stay up, to keep fighting, to survive so much attack and criticism. It is just amazing.

When I look the whole picture that the media provide us about Obama’s life and personality, but the most important, what Obama himself and his advisors provide in secret meetings, I got to the conclusion that I DON’T WANT TO SUPER OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT.
Why?  Too much arrogance
Too much perfection
Too much mis-spoken
Lack of recognition of mistake
It is not until is confronted with fact, for several days when he is come out, no to apologize but to try to fix what he has done or said, (in many cases, what his advisor said in private meetings)
His pretension that he knows more and better prepared than those who have been in the fight for so long, I DON’T SEE ANY HUMILTY ON HIM.
CRITIZING the best president in years from the democrat party and even many AA forgetting their gratitude that they confessed to have for the Clinton for so long, but now, the Clinton became the devil.
It is too much political move there, and when I see the whole picture, I realize that it is like Bush. His arrogance, his lack of humility to ask for forgiveness, never wrong, never mistake, all his position is the right one.  SORRY, BUT, I DON’T WANT ANOTHER BUSH IN THE WHITE HOUSE, NOMORE ARROGANCE AND PERFECTIONIST.  I WANT A REAL PERSON, WHO CAN MAKE MISTAKE, BUT IS WILLIGN TO SAY, YES, I MADE A MISTAKE, IT WAS WRONG.  
Obama shows he has the same character than Bush and I am tired of Bush…
"If they come to the polls, she could see her lead climb to more than five points. And this seems to be why Obama has gone negative in the past couple of days: to keep these undecideds away. He might have also sharpened his tone a bit to beat back the growing post-debate perception that he was looking weak. After all, the undecided voter in Pennsylvania looks to be the type of voter that wants to see a strong walkin' and talkin' candidate."

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lol

If Obama fights back he's going negative. If he doesn't he's weak. The media needs to choose a "narrative" (love that word) and stick with it!

P.S. Why is it okay for the media to sterotype voters - who exactly are the "the type of voter that wants to see a strong walkin' and talkin' candidate"? What do the other voters want - a weakling? :)

Obama '08
Hill is in a no-win situation. It's sad, really, that she & her supporters don't see the writing on the wall....this show is over...nothing left but the crying. Yes, we can go forward for the sake of democracy, but if she or her campaign or her supporters REALLY thinks she's going to be our nominee - then you've got about as much sense as the religeous-right that tried to jump on the Huckabee boat as it was sinking...
HRC is one of the most unethical individuals in politics. Im still shakin my head as too why her people cant look over the last 15 yrs and see it. If she gets the Nod, I am voting McCain! She is horrible and untrust Worthy
Well said Jon, Tx. Hillary has become something less than worthy of the Presidency, with her lies, and two faced ways. If she hasn't insulted your intelligence by now, ....well....
Barack Obama represents a new positive direction that America needs so badly. Such a shame if people allow Hillary win with lies and smear.
Obama '08
Yes We Can!!!
Why aren't there more news stories about the conference call the Obama campaign had saying that Clinton lacked the "moral authority" to lay on wreath on the tomb of the unknown soldier.  If that isn't swiftboating, I dont know what is!  I'm sure that Clinton isn't bothered by most of the things that are said during this election, but if I was her I would be deeply saddened by those comments.  I think that is the most horrible thing that has been said this election cycle.  If Hillary would have said that to Barack it would be all over the news!
Obama is the embodiment of hyprocisy.
He says his campaign is above "old politics" but submerges his campaign in it with vile ad attacks, dispicable conference call where even Obama superdelegates find disturbing, and attacks at the stump, with flipping Hillary off.
He says his campaign is above race, and that he transcends race while he plays the race card everywhere. Michelle Obama says "Black America will Wake UP" when asked if Obama will get the black vote before the primaries. Obama's book "Dreams of my Father" is filled with stories of how he embraces his blackness and shed his whiteness.
Obama says that McCain is a third term of Bush but then says in Reading, PA a few minutes after that statement that McCain is better than bush.
Obama says he's drama free but but he's got a 17 year relationship with corrupt politicla fundraiser, Antoine Rezko, a 10 year relationship with 60s radical bomber, Bill Ayers, a 20 year relationship with a racist, anti-AMerican pastor. NO drama huh?
VOTE DEMOCRATIC, ITS DOESN'T MATTER IF ITS HILLARY OR BARACK, THEY ARE BOTH BETTER OPTIONS THAN MCCAIN WHO DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, BESIDES, HILLARY/OBAMA POLICIES ARE VERY SIMILAR .....

GO HILLARY!
Cut your loses Obama...move on.
I must say that I think I sort have tried to forget the scandals of the past, but last night I watched this 1 1/2 hour documentary about Hillary.  She is a corporate FRAUD. I couldn't believe all the scandals that she's been involved in and the people's lives she's ruined, but none of that has been brought up in this primary election? Why because Obama refuses to bend down to her level. She's in for a rude awakening if she even gets the nomination nod because the Republicans will bring out all of her hidden mess and put it all on the table for the whole world to see, the old scandals and the new scandals that she has not been vetted on. She's unelectable! I am amazed at how anyone could vote for this fraud.  The Rezko association has nothing on Hillary's criminal associations while she was in the White House and while she was running for the Senate.  Bill Clinton had numerous opportunities to get Bin Laden as President, but refused to do so.  This is a corrupt couple and to have them back in power is very scary to say the least.
Hillary: Take the "L" out of " Blowout" and what have you got ?
HILLARY'S INABILITY TO SAY I LIED IS TYPICAL OF THE CLINTONS.......LETS DROP THE "I MISPOKE"....JUST LIKE BILL EVERYTHING IS A TWIST ON WORDS...REMEMBER BILLS FAMOUS"I SMOKED MARIJUANA BUT I DIDNT INHALE" OR THE MORE FAMOUS "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS..."
Well it is Hillary's to lose and I hope she loses it. I am sick of her!
Actually, Jon, I don't think Hillary would be offended by that at all.  She would probably take it as a compliment.

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
Whoever supports Hillary really show their personalities.  Do anything, say anything, I must win, I must be first, I don't care if I lie, cheat, steal.  The one thing that disappoints me most in this election is the knowledge that so many people who just refuse to vote for a minority are hiding behind their screen names and using petty mishaps and misstatements and guilt by association to dismiss Obama.  As an African-American, I really thought that things had changed.  

I know some of you will object to my comments, but ask yourselves this:  how many people would be outraged if Obama did like the "Women for Hillary" campaign drive and had "Blacks for Obama?"  Don't answer, I already know.
You have to wonder who Hillary will pick for her administration after watchin that idiot on Meet The Press yesterday.  He must have been the most unprepared person ever on the show.  Obama's guy tore him to shreds, Hillary really needs to find some people that have some brains.

Looks like all the smart one's went over to Obama.

Hillary Clinton
A Liar for all seasons
Yea, all that reporting and the bottom line is that Obama CANNOT win in November. Oh yes, dumb dumbs, us dems did it yet again. Clinton is still the only candidate who can beat McCain.
HEADLINE: Pope Brings Message of Hope. Clinton says, "Just words."

Mrs. Clinton went on to say that the pope should, "Stop with the big rallies and the speeches." She stated that this is an "inexperienced pope." "He hasn't been in Rome long enough," she said.

"What's next," she asked, "faith and charity"?

LOL
So the new litmus test for POTUS is now how well one bowls?  Good grief, are we ever in trouble.

Please get serious about the issues. We are going down the tubes, the economy is sinking fast, we have lost over 4,000 and more than 300,000 maimed for life in a war we went into over a lie. The war costs our economy $339,000,000 EACH DAY, think how that would help our citizens.  But we fret over flag pins, who's more patriotic and where we go to church.  Its madness.   These are all distractions to keep you off balance and not ask the really tough questions.
We need a leader who will be open and direct with us, not one who says one thing and does another when it is convenient.
I have to defend McCain on the temper issue. A little fire in your belly, along with the abilty to control it, can be an asset from time to time. The Washington Post and all their reporters and Editorial staff (Eugene Robinson) are all lakey's and supporters of Obama.
Where is the MAJOR HEADLINE that reads " barack ? obama LOST 13 pts against Hillary Rodham Clinton ".
Where is the MAJOR HEADLINE that reads " Hillary Rodham Clinton LEADS barack ? obama in gallup tracking poll 46% to 45% " ......... Oh thats why Newsweek came out this weekend with their BOGUS poll all over MSNBC showing barack ? obama with a 19 pts edge over Hillary Rodham Clinton. ... C'mon Chuck, I know thats why they kept you off the tubes this weekend because of your honest take on the polls.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows that Hillary Clinton now receives 46% of the support of Democrats nationally, compared to 45% for Barack Obama, marking the first time Obama has not led in Gallup's daily tracking since March 18-20.
HONEST CHUCK ….. We are counting on you to continue reporting the FACTS and TRUTH about whats going on in this campaign, so I implore you to HIGHLIGHT the fact that Hillary is leading obama in the national polls and point out that the newsweek poll showing obama with double digit leads is a farce by an obama backing and corrupted magazine like newsweek.

WHERE IS THE HEADLINES ON FIRST READ AND MSNBC POINTING TO THE FACT THAT HILLARY CLINTON IS PICKING UP SUPER DELEGATES AND MAJOR ENDORSEMENTS ON A DAILY BASIS.

Where is obama getting all this money from and more important WHO are these people funding his campaign. I bet if the media did some REAL journalism they will be surprise to know the Jeremiah Wright parishioners, Farrakhan followers and the leftwing loons are funding his campaign.

A WIN IS A WIN ....But the Matthews, olbermann and the minions in the obama loving media will try to spin it as a lost for Hillary and a win for obama.

.......... MASTER CARD MOMENT ........
Seeing Mika Brzezinski and Johnathan Wolfe try to spin obama 13 pts lost to Hillary Clinton ...... PRICELESS

PREDICTIONS....... HILLARY WILL ROUT barack obama BY 21 pts IN PENNSYLVANIA.
"Well oiled, and battle tested" - what a laugh. This looks like more spin from the left. At some point the people stop listening to the message, and start looking at the messenger. Both Democratic  "messengers" are socialists with no idea on how to manage the economy, Iraq, or health care.
Bowlers is a demographic?  What a joke.
If she doesn't win by any more than 10%, she's done.  If she wins between 10 and 15%, she'll get to stay in for another contest or two.  It'll be over in a few weeks either way, so I'm not too worried.  Obama has proven too resilient to attacks.  I mean, you have a guy who's pastor got a week's worth of negative news coverage saying all kinds of crazy stuff, you have a guy who's been attacked left and right (as well as by the left and right) for every last statement and gaffe he's made... if he doesn't tank by 15-20+%, then he will prove to be a very tough general election candidate.  Let's all remember, for the inevitable (and flawed) post-PA Clinton campaign spin - "Obama lost in the PA Democratic Primary!  He's doomed against a Republican!!!!"  A little fact-checking quickly snatches their tongues.

Obama '08!
HEADLINE: Pope Brings Message of Hope. Clinton says, "Just words."

Mrs. Clinton went on to say that the pope should, "Stop with the big rallies and the speeches." She stated that this is an "inexperienced pope." "He hasn't been in Rome long enough," she said.

"What's next," she asked, "faith and charity"?

LOL
If Obama comes within 10 points, it's still a victory for him. Remember, she has to win 60% OF ALL REMAINING PRIMARIES, not just pennsylvania, to beat him in delegates.

Her popular vote fight is nearly impossible to win as well. Oh yeah, and Obama WILL erase her PENN win, (if it happens) in North Carolina. Just like he erased her March 4 Wins.

Obama 08.
Yes, the T is problematic.  I wonder just why they seem to like Hillary's kitchen sink, divide the Dems, and her nasty politics.  Many of the T are Republicans, including much of my husband's family.  No Clinton support there.

The young people for balance, not only will they vote but they have been pounding the pavement for Barack.

The people in the T may vote values opposed to their economic interest, but the young people vote for our best future.

YES WE CAN!
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
If Obama can avoid self-destructing long enough to win this primary, Hillary will have her idiotic mandatory health insurance plan to thank for her loss.
The bad news: She'll win Pa by 12%.
The great News: Her win will make zero difference in the nomination outcome.
Do you think Obama would have remained positive despite the vicious Republican type attack machine of the Clintons, Chuck? He has gone negative over the weekend, but remember he has penned his electability on new politics and being positive. You cannot be hopeful and positive when you are faced with overwhelming false attacks.
You have seen attacks Obama's abortion record in NH that may have helped to sway women voters; the injection of race into the campaign by the Clintons (which finally convinced blacks to rally behind Obama after voting in favor of Hillary in Iowa, as more women voted for Obama in Iowa than blacks until blacks are turned off by the race controversy in the run up to the South Carolina primary); attacks on his patriotism; the Ayers, Wright, Rekzo and Farrakahan nonsensial attacks (we have the Clintons indirectly linked to Ayers, and I read Hillary's pastor praising Wright); the 3 a.m attack questioning his experience and readiness to respond to crises; lobbying and trade attacks, etc. Yet Hillary mounted a near all-out false ad war and stump speeches loaded with falseholds and baseless accusations against Obama culminated in the all out negative ad for the first time in this election cycle, and the attack centers on small town America (something the Clintons themselves in their hypocritical nature said almost the same thing as Obama said regarding small town America).
A voter for Hillary is a vote for hypocrisy and corruption.
I'm confused, so Obama losing yet another big state is a win for . . . Obama? How much has he outspent Hillary by again?
Jon, Tx,
I disagree with you on one point. She will NOT rule in the Whitehouse in this lifetime. :)

Obama '08
I can't believe that Hillary's comment about small town blue collar worker where she told Bill Clinton to screw em  because they haven't done anything for him, that it has not been reported.  Yet we heard alot about bitter gate. The People of Pennsylvania the blue collar worker need to know how she really feels
Hillary = red lady (finances), aren't the Dems blue and the Republicans red.  Let's just call that ironic.

I heard (via Daily Kos), that the split is 8 million primary, 12 million general of Hillary's March $20 million.  Has she paid the small vendors?  Has UC Davis called off the attack dogs...

Obama has An Obama Minute for fundraising today, GO Barack, YES WE CAN (the best grassroots campaign in the history of campaigns).  Take note, this is just beginning.

FIRED up in my blue collar town.
I know Hillary will win, and win big in Pennsylvania.  Hillary is the best candidate for President of the United States.  She has the intelligence and compassion to be a great leader.
It doesn't matter what the margin of victory is for Clinton.  She could lose, and she would try to spin it as a win.  What she will say in any case is that it is a great victory for her because she was outspent by (put your own number here) and that means that she should be the nominee because.....whatever delusion she comes up with for the day.
You're specifically polling gun owners and bowlers? Sheesh, maybe you should do it by actual IQ to show that most Dems smarter than a turnip are going with Obama.
Fighting does show one thing...

Just what level people will go to.

May the worse slime slinger lose..

the financial numbers deserve their own post, particularly when Clinton's number are more fully known.  

Note to Indiana and North Carolina vendors.  CASH UP FRONT.

She and bubba should pay her outstanding debts from his "speech" money and let her begging for $5 %10 from people who don't have it to give end.
Hillary stooped to the lowest form of a human being by manufacturing lies (what other president does this remind you of - WMD - which were never found) and to play on those lies using 9/11 to give the impression that the weatherman bombing had some connection with that awful event when so many people lost love ones just to win an election.  This is unforgivable.    
I'm a grunt in the US Army, with 15 years in, and more deployments then I care to remember. I've said it before; most of the Soldiers and Marines I know support Barrack Obama. We highly respect SEN McCain, but he is out of touch with us and our families.  I can tell you with a little authority that military people come from a similar background as SEN Obama. Many come from single parent families, blue collar, some college, and a desire to do better things for their community and nation, much like SEN Obama.  It is a rarity to meet someone from a privileged, wealthy family such as the Clintons and the McCain’s, unless they are serving to pad their resume.  I know that McCain’s sons are in the military, and I applaud them for it, but they went through the Naval Academy, and officers in the military have a much more comfortable life than the enlisted and the NCOs.  

Not all of us come from a military background; some of us have family members that are in the same situations that SEN Obama speak of. Now the elitists on the right and in the Clinton camp attack him for speaking the truth. I have Soldiers that have 3 to 5 deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan that was going to get out after serving so greatly for their nation, only to stay in because the job market and economy are scarier than another tour to Iraq.

There is no way that I, and many like me, will vote for Clinton. I am not a misogynist, I support and have voted for women in office, but this woman is a liar. She is no more in touch with the American citizen than the insurgent that took my buddies life. Look at her eyes, they are the windows to the soul, you will see a difference in the glow when she talks to supporters and when SEN Obama does. I know this first hand as I have met her twice; once in South Korea in '92 or '93, and then again recently in NC. On top of that this woman has never made the hard-right choice in her life. She didn't leave her husband when he betrayed her, not that she forgave him, but because it would have been too hard to win a Senate seat going through a divorce. She made the wrong choice on the most unnecessary war in the history of this country (and won't apologize for it), because it was the popular reason to do it at the time.

I wish the candidates and the media would get off this petty crap and give us their differences on the issues.

If you want to support the men and women serving for you in the military, vote to change all of this, vote Obama.


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