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Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: Contest No. 45

Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:20 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Contest No. 45: Six weeks, a political eternity given the cycle’s front-loaded calendar, have passed since the last Democratic contest -- the Mississippi primary -- which Obama won, 61%-37%. And as we’ve said before, so much (most of it process) has happened in between: Geraldine Ferraro’s comments, the Wright controversy, Obama’s speech on race, Bosnia sniper fire, the Clintons’ tax records, Mark Penn’s ouster, Bittergate, and the debate over the debate. Well, the wait for another Clinton-Obama contest finally ends today as Pennsylvania voters head to the polls, which opened at 7:00 am ET and close 8:00 pm ET. There are 158 pledged delegates at stake.

*** Keys to the Keystone battle: There seem to be four possible outcomes to tonight’s contest, and two of them will need little spin because the media won't need the "help" to interpret their meaning: 1) a double-digit Clinton victory in which she beats Obama by a greater margin than she beat him in Ohio; and 2) an outright Obama victory. But here are outcomes that will force the campaigns to go into spin overdrive: 3) a Clinton victory by less than five points, which would give Obama an opening to declare "victory" of sorts and create renewed pressure on Clinton on the future of her campaign; and 4) a Clinton victory by more than five but less than 10, which is the most likely result if some of the better polls are to be believed. This would be considered a solid victory, but would it be big enough to fundamentally change the dynamics of the race? Could Clinton claim Obama was losing ground if he performed better in Pennsylvania than he did in Ohio? This is why Axelrod and his team and Wolfson and his team will earn their money today. The Clinton campaign is desperately trying to ratchet back expectations. Early on, Rendell and his folks were predicting an easy victory. Those predictions, however, are what created this expectations-game problem for Clinton today. She's now in a position where only a blowout is going to give her the momentum she needs to make folks believe she still has a shot at the nomination.

*** Where we stand: Obama leads in pledged delegates (1417 to 1251), overall delegates (1655 to 1513), the popular vote (13.4 million to 12.7 million), and total number of contests won (29 to 14). Note: We’re not including Texas in this last total, given that Clinton won the primary but Obama won the caucus and netted the most delegates. Here are some other numbers to chew on: the Quinnipiac poll taken around the time of the Mississippi primary had Clinton up by 12 (53%-41%), the RealClear average has Clinton leading by six points (49%-43.1%), the now-famous Obama memo that Bloomberg News received after Feb. 5 projected Clinton to win the state by five (52%-47%), and assuming a turnout of 2 million, a 55%-45% Clinton victory would cut Obama’s lead in the popular vote from 700,000 to 500,000.

*** The pledged delegate game is essentially over: No matter tonight's popular vote result, the delegate count isn't likely to move in either direction substantially. Why? The disproportionate number of delegates awarded in areas Obama is likely to do well could very well mean that Clinton's percentage point net victory will be greater than the number of delegates she nets. Look no further than Ohio, where she won by 10 points but netted just seven delegates. A similar phenomenon is likely tonight. While neither campaign can get to 2,025 without superdelegates, after tonight, it will be virtually assured that Clinton cannot catch Obama for the pledged delegate lead. In fact, there's a strong case to be made that if Clinton nets fewer than 10 delegates, she may not even be able to get his pledged delegate lead below 100 by June 3.

*** The popularity contest: That brings us to the popular vote... According to our turnout estimates (based on past results and talks with the campaigns and also assuming a bump), it is unlikely that Clinton will completely erase Obama’s lead in the popular vote without factoring in Florida and Michigan. Here's a fairly rosy scenario for Clinton, which assumes big wins in her states and somewhat narrow wins for Obama in his states of the contests that remain.

 

Total Votes

Clinton

Obama

Projection

PA

2,000,000

1,100,000

900,000

55%-45%

NC

1,500,000

675,000

825,000

45%-55%

IN

900,000

460,000

440,000

51%-49%

WV

400,000

240,000

160,000

60%-40%

KY

500,000

300,000

200,000

60%-40%

OR

600,000

270,000

330,000

45%-55%

SD

100,000

45,000

55,000

45%-55%

MT

125,000

56,250

68,750

45%-55%

TOTAL

 

3,146,250

2,978,750

 

So that projection gives Clinton a net gain of 167,500 popular votes for the rest of the remaining primaries -- if everything plays out by the projections above. Obviously, we encourage folks to play around with these numbers themselves. So Team Clinton couldn't get there with also adding Florida; they'd need Michigan, too... and maybe even try and count total Puerto Rico votes -- which, turnout-wise could look like Oregon, but in reverse. So MAYBE she could net another 60,000 votes out of Puerto Rico. Of course, if Clinton gets a big win out of Pennsylvania, she might be able to narrow the gap in places like North Carolina and Oregon and then suddenly her net popular vote take could increase. To have ANY chance of selling legitimacy to this popular vote game, she'll need to cut his lead without the use of Michigan. Maybe, she can include Florida; there are a chunk of superdelegates who would give her that, but most will not give her Michigan. So she needs to more than double the projected popular vote totals we've come up with to even start the popular vote conversation.

*** Some ‘splaining to do? No matter tonight’s result, keep this in mind: Obama spent an enormous amount of money on TV -- and we mean ENORMOUS. He spent so much that he will have a very hard time explaining a double-digit defeat, despite what the campaign might say. Sure, they can claim he started out more than 20 points behind in some polls. But to lose by more than 200,000 votes after all the money he spent would be embarrassing and could rightfully get superdelegates nervous about his durability. Also, this is the first vote since Rev. Wright and the "bitter" comments, and if he simply performs as well or a tad bit better among white voters than he did in Ohio, the campaign can argue to supers that he wasn't damaged with these voters for the long term. But if his numbers are worse than Ohio (he lost by 10 points) then, in the words of Ricky Ricardo...  he'll have some 'splainin' to do. 

*** When watching tonight’s returns: Keep this in mind: While the Philly region has reported its vote fairly quickly the last two election cycles, before 2004, the vote count has been very slow from the area. If the vote count is slow in this area tonight, then expect a couple of things: 1) the networks and AP will hold off on calling this race too quickly and 2) Clinton could have what appears to be a VERY big lead in early returns since most of Obama's vote is in the Philly media market.

*** Bill is back! And don’t miss Bill’s comments to Philadelphia’s WHYY radio (an NPR affiliate) regarding his South Carolina reference to Jesse Jackson: “I think that they played the race card on me. And we now know, from memos from the campaign and everything that they planned to do it along… I frankly thought the way the Obama campaign reacted was disrespectful to Jesse Jackson. And I called him and asked HIM if he found anything offensive and he just laughed and said, ‘OF COURSE I don’t. We all know what’s going on… You gotta really go some to play the race card with me – MY office is in Harlem.” More on this below…

*** On the trail: Clinton makes a local stop in Philadelphia and holds her election night party in the city of Brotherly Love; McCain makes the second stop on his “Time for Action” tour in Youngstown, OH; and Obama makes stops at polling places in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and then holds a rally in Evansville, IN after polls close in Pennsylvania.

Countdown to North Carolina, Indiana: 14 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 196 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 273 days
 
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Comments

Since when is being able to raise lots of money a negative in politics?

Just another example of the old double standard...

We are proud of being active participants (including donating money) to Barack's campaign...and we can continue, haven't even come close to topping out.

I speak as one of nearly two million (and counting)
I'm praying for you Barack!

I think he'll make an excellent president. Hillary is shameless. She may win this battle, but she will not win the nomination. As for Bill Clinton, I am so sorry that I voted for that man twice. I can't believe what I'm hearing and have been hearing since this campaign started. Enough of the Clintons. Hillary should reach into that $109 million that she and Bill have collected since cashing in on the Presidency and pay her bills, especially the health insurance premiums for her campaign employees. Is that how she would run the WH? Mark Penn gets tens of millions of dollars while the working stiffs get the shaft on healthcare? I wish Barack would have used that in an ad!!
Cindy Lou,
Todd meant to say that several polls showed Obama briefly leading in PA. I don't remember which polls, but try www.campaigndiaries.com
Do you really support Obama, or do you just hate the Clintons? I'm going to have real problems voting for a candidate whose supporters are talking about rioting and burning Denver if he loses. They are so close on issues I thought Obama's messages of hope and change deserved to be listened to. Now I'm concerned. If he should lose the general, what would happen?
This is too funny to watch. Obama's supporters spinning his big lose today in PA as a win? Very Clinton-ian! Very old time politics.
Chuck, I think your 'rosey' scenario for Clinton is waaaaaaaay underestimating the voter turnout in Puerto Rico.  How many people do you think will turn out?
This "analysis" erases all doubt that MSNBC is hot for Hillary Clinton. You folks are salivating for a McCain/Clinton matchup in November. Last night Keith Olberman was a shill for Hillary as he interviewed her. Have you no shame, ladies and gentlemen of MSNBC, have you no shame?
Carole, Fort Lauderdale, FL, you must be out of your mind? The result of what happened over the past few weeks, the fact that Obama has been able to shrink Clinton's lead from 20 to 5 shows the importance of campaigning in the state. Count Florida? You’re ridiculous!
Chuck, OBama had a huge disadvantage coming into the state. Clinton had the party machine; better name recognition; family ties; more older voters and fewer with college degrees. This is her core base. He needed to work very hard to get the numbers up, and he has.

But he is a black man in a state that still harbors a lot of racist attitudes. I saw this firsthand while knocking on doors in PA for the past three weeks. I suggest you do the same, Chuck, instead of pontificating from your cozy commentator's perch. This was always a tough state for OBama
MONEY IS WHAT OLZD POLITICS IS MADE OUT OF> double standards are the best standards arent they? OBAMMA IS BUSH LITE
I cant wait for hilliary to run aS AN independant AND LETS SEE WHO WINS macain obamma OR HER.Keep up the insults obamma
Sorry Chuck, you have missed the salient point.  People have already voted with their dollars.  It doesn't matter WHAT Clinton does today.  Unless she starts paying her own way, she's done.
HP: "The reason I will vote for McCain is YOU!"

I'm sure that's not true, HP. But if it is, personally, I think anyone who's vote is determined by personalities on an internet message board ought to be asking themselves if they have the maturity to participate in the democratic process.  
The best of luck to Senator Obama today! I am a 35 year hispanic and I think the Clinton's have a big surprise in store if they think they can beat Obama in Puerto Rico without a GOOD fight.  A lot of family members I talk to in Puerto Rico are very disappointed with the Clintons and they say they will be voting for Obama.  The people from Puerto Rico do not always vote the same way as the puertoricans that are in the U.S.!  I wouldn't be quick to assume that Puerto Rico is going to go to Hillary Clinton. Obama has a GREAT chance to win Puerto Rico.
Bless you and others like you Mrs. J. of Illinois.  Our hope for the future lies with Barack Obama. My heart and soul ia filled with hope and possibility when I see Barack's support, old, young, white, black, Jewish, Catholics, Muslims, Baptists, Gays, Gentiles, Democrats, Republicans, Independents etc, this is what America is.  When I see us all together striving to unite as one people, I believe there is nothing we can't handle.  Together we are America's greatest strength.  We are playing for keeps so we can all WIN!  

Obama for President!!
------------------------------------------------------It's always amazing to me that apparently it doesn't matter to Hillary supporters WHO the Clinton's associate with.........shady business deals, Bill giving not only speeches, but jobs to Columbia. And you see THAT as being okay? Go figure. Obama '08
Diane from Illinois


If this is so true, why is Obama going to lose so badly today? At some point you need to face the truth and admit that Obama is not that compelling of a candidate. The man had over a month to get his message to the people in Pennsylvania, and he failed. Today he pays for that failure.
It's always amazing to me that apparently it doesn't matter to Hillary supporters WHO the Clinton's associate with.........shady business deals, Bill giving not only speeches, but jobs to Columbia. And you see THAT as being okay? Go figure. Obama '08
Diane from Illinois (Sent Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:01 AM)
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Obama the angel only goes to heaven and visits his God Wright, he sits wright there on the wright hand of God his father...............and the angels sing!
to j fl:  I suppose if you are happy with the way things are in DC and how this country has been run the past eight years, you wouldn't be interested or concerned with the concepts of change and turning the page.  And, if that's the case, naturally you wouldn't "get it" when Obama talks about changing the way things have been done up to now.  
ITS FUNNY HOW WHEN CHUCK TODD SPEAKS THE FACTS AND TRUTH, THE barack obama MINDLESS ZOMBIES CALL HIM A HILLARY SYMPATHIZER BUT IF HE PSUEDO-HYPE THE " RACE BAITER " HE IS PRAISED.
Dear Becky Holliday: God bless you for voting, for caring. In the long run I think you'll see it was Barack who had your best interests at heart and Hillary who played on your emotions for her own gain.
God Bless America!
I speak as one of nearly two million (and counting)

Lisa in CT, with you in spirit in PA. YES WE CAN!

______

That's quite a burden you bear. How do you hold up?
Clinton by 22 pts in PA tonite! Go girl!
So Clinton will be getting between five and ten percent, which means there's no game changer, which means this long national nightmare plods on.  Or at least our long national dream-with-distressing-and-repetitive elements.  Not as catchy, that.
Pat Huntington, you are SO right -- especially in abolishing caucuses since they are unconstitutional, presuppose there is NO secret ballot!
Do you really support Obama, or do you just hate the Clintons? I'm going to have real problems voting for a candidate whose supporters are talking about rioting and burning Denver if he loses. They are so close on issues I thought Obama's messages of hope and change deserved to be listened to. Now I'm concerned. If he should lose the general, what would happen?
Abby, SD (Sent Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:07 AM)

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Abby be very afraid of the rabid Obama cult, they will riot, McCain wins!
Ease your mind the Clinton supporters will just go away, McCain wins!
This has been the plan of the repukes all along they divide and conquer it is the only way they win.
Abby, prior to super Tuesday I very clearly supported both.  I voted for Obama on Feb. 5th and went to his rally on the 4th.  But I clearly remember (at the rally) still feeling like I'd support either candidate.

By late February, I had reached my tipping point on Clinton, due to her campaign tactics (I'll win at all costs even if I destroy the party) and her negative ads and general nastiness.  Sorry, but for me its the truth.

I am just as much for Obama as I am anti-Clinton.  Both forces come to play with me.  For me, it was a lot like the 5th Congressional District election in CT between Nancy Johnson and Chris Murphy (in Fall, 2006).  Nancy Johnson felt desparate and went horrifically nasty against Chris Murphy and he had to respond.

I never vote for nasty and Chris Murphy pulled off an upset here.

I am one of those voters who will never support the candidate who goes massively negative and nasty first, don't care what there stances are, the negative campaigning is what tips it for me every time.

Speaking for myself only...Clinton had my support, she lost it in Feb.

Obama for our best future.
Enough with the 'popular vote' as a reliable marker.  We have 43 elections which have taken place over a period of four months.  And, you cannot collect a popular vote for many of the caucus states as they elected only 'delegates', so your count is inherrently off that way, too.  Stop it.

Obama will be, and should be, the candidate.  What the Clintons are doing has taken most voters (note her poll negaties) beyond resentment.  An experienced liar?  No thanks.  One can say Nixon was a skilled politican (and he was, and, frankly, a much better prez than Slick Willy), but that does not mean he was a good leader.  Obama has put together one hell of a campaign and, given the paucity of moral leadership from the current Congress and president, I am much more than willing to give him the keys to the car for eight years.

Pennsylvanians, get with it, please.
CMON PENNSYLVANIA, TIME TO END THIS UGLY CONTEST.  VOTE OBAMA AND END THE MADNESS!

Clinton actually spoke about NUKING Iran!!!!  If THAT is what you want as a President, then you might as well be voting for McCain.

VOTE FOR OBAMA TONIGHT!
I will RIOT if this gets stolen from Obama as well
COUNT ME IN
She is EVIL and has not business in this. She is losing and cant win
So why stay???
EGO
If I were a betting woman, I would put my money on the underdog. Since this is the campaign for hope I am going to bet on the lucky #1 today. Wouldn't it be something sweet to celebrate if Obama wins Penn st. by 1% of the vote. I am not a drinking woman either, but I would definitely drink to that!

Obama 08!
And this 49 YO White Female (who happens to be one of those Bitter Pennsylvanians) just placed my vote for Obama - as did my two 20-something children and my 85 year old former Republican mom.

Enough of old school politicians.  Enough talk from Hillary about Obama being an "Elitist" - she who is a millionaire many times over yet can't manange the finances of her campaign.  If she ends up answering that phone at 3 a.m. come next January, you ain't seen BITTER yet.

Go Obama!  
Obama can afford to spend the money, he had it, and he needed to.  I know the media wants a close contest between these two-it keeps them engaged and employed.  Keep the masses riled.  I am Hoping that Hillary just runs out of funds..something I think she already has done..without an infusion of cash her campaign will die.
Diane from Illinois:  To call Obama an elitist is really absurd and it's sad that folks like you can't see through that particular smoke screen created by the Clinton campaign.  No, Obama is not an elitist.  One can't be an elitist if one is mixed race, raised by a single white young woman, having had to resort to food stamps, and paying for his education via student loans (which he paid back only in the past few years, while in his 40's).  No, Obama is smart, Obama is hopeful, Obama would like to raise the sights of folks like you so that you can be as successful and productive as he has become.  When Hillary Clinton says to people "I'm one of you" she's really saying "you're down there in the lower classes, uneducated, and that's where you need to stay, so vote for me because I'll help you stay there so you won't ever know the crap that I'm pulling on you."  This elitist business is stupid and a non-issue.  Vote for Hillary if she's your choice but don't use the "elitist" argument because it doesn't hold true.
The only thing I can think of right now is her glee is declaring she would drop the nuke in Iran..... are you serous?????  That is sabre rattling, unresponsible, warmongering----stop me any time.  I guess we'd better hope lke hell the troops ae out of Iraq: and out of Turkey, and out of the Gulf states, and out of Egypt.  Does she not realize they would be goners as well???????  THis is an absolute outrage.....
BUCHANAN'S LAST STAND?

Pat Buchanan has been going on for quite some time about how Obama can't win among blue collar white voters.  (Or without them.)  Today is his last stand.  Hillary has to have a blowout today to even keep running.  It will be interesting to see if Pat will be crowing or eating crow once the numbers are tallied.
Winner take all is the worst and most unfair practice for elections.  It means if someone loes a state by 100 votes the people voting for them are disenfranchised in the election process.  As far as whether to do caucus or primary they both have good and bad points.  In a primarty you don't have to be very informed in the races just run ina vote and be done.  In the caucus system you go in and have the chance to talk to the supporters of all candidates and make a more informed decision on who to vote for.  My state Nevada has always had a primary until this year.  I found the caucus to be much better because I had the chance to look more clossly at the candidates before just making assumptions and voting. As far as psoters don't tell me you are the conscience of america and bad mouth Obama.  I cannot in good conscience vote for clinton given her campaign tactics.  I don't however presume to be anyones elses conscience I am not that egotistical.  
I love the process of selecting our next President. If my employer would give me a year off with pay and taxpayers would give me money to run I would be happy to express and explain my views of our country and the world. Of course I am only one person, can one person really make that much of a difference?
$11.2 million to $4.8 million is the proportiion of expenditures in the Pennsylvain primary, according to MSNBC - that is, Obama outspent Clinton 2.33 to 1 - that's not three times as much: it's closer to twice as much.  A little more Wolfson math - someone should point out that the figures are skewed.  Otherwise an excellent report.
Abby: The last poll I saw on the issue had more Clinton supporters unwilling to vote Obama than vice versa. You may have a few people spouting craziness for Obama but the Clinton supporters have been showing a greater liklihood of handing the Presidency back to the GOP.
It's Barack vs Ba-roke.
If she can't manage a campaign... how can she manage a country?   In her only 3AM moment, she voted for a war without even reading the intelligence reports.

Who is ready on Day One?
Obama.


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