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Obama talks about PA race, Hamas

Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:15 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
PITTSBURGH -- Speaking with reporters here today, Obama handicapped the Pennsylvania race and held steady in his criticism of former President Jimmy Carter's visit with Hamas.

He said that a Keystone State win by Clinton would do little to overcome his delegate lead. "What I know is that going into this six weeks ago, the Clinton campaign suggested that they were unbeatable, and I think the strategy they were talking about is they could overcome our delegate lead and our popular vote lead and the number of states that we have won by winning big in Pennsylvania and future contests."

Obama added, "If you take a look at how the delegates play themselves out at the end of the night we should be able to measure, given how many contests are left, whether they can make up that ground."

Michelle Obama also offered her own take on the race, saying that she felt hopeful because of the strong turnout. "I think we're going to have a solid performance, but it's just so hard to tell," she said. "I've stopped trying to predict anything. Every state -- the polls have said one thing, there've been different outcomes.

"I think that it's just hard to measure where the votes are because you have so many voters engaged in this who are not even being counted. We have people who up until the very last minute are undecided, so it's really hard to know how that's going to play out in the polls. We're just happy to see there's a great turnout. That's what we're hearing. Obviously, we're not out at the polls but they're saying there are long lines and that's just good for democracy. It's good for the party."
 
On the issue of Hamas, Obama held steady in his criticism of Carter, saying that the former president should not have met with a terrorist organization.

"Given that they are not heads of state, to sit down with them, I think gave them a legitimacy that was unnecessary. And in fact, what we're seeing now is even as President Carter suggests there was a breakthrough, you have some of the same old rhetoric coming out of Hamas representatives with regard to Israel."

He continued, "So I think it's very important for the United States to actively engage in helping bring about negotiations between the Palestinians and the Israelis. And President Abbas has indicated his willingness to make every effort to sit down with Prime Minister Olmert. That's where our energies should go."

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Obama is somewhat hypocritcal of Former Pres. Carter's meeting with Hamas.  Didn't Obama say he would meet with leaders of countries not friendly to us, like Hugo Chavez, Kim Jing Il, and perhaps Castro?  Why was it wrong for Carter to meet with Hamas's leader?  Yes, it's a terrorist group, but it's also the political leader of the Palestines in Gaza, so, one has to deal with them in order to make peace in Israel.
just stay positive, theres light at the end of the tunnel.
She lost the nominaton before February 5th, she forgot what he did for Clinton/Gore in 1993.  They miscalculated seriously!
TOO MANY of the voting machines in the heavily favored Obama communities (ie black communities) are NOT WORKING.

What this means--- most of those people will cast their vote using provesional ballots that will NOT be counted tonight.


Thus HRC and CO will claim a large victory (a la texas) when in fact it was  not a victory at all.


OMG - he finished his waffle????  A presidential candidate who will answer questions - what a great idea!!
But Senator Obama... Hamas is the ELECTED government in Palestine. Any agreement with the puppet figure Abbas will not be worth the paper it is written on if Hamas is not part of the deal.

President Carter got it right.. I hope you learn from his experience
I think it's going to be a rough night for the Obama camp. According to early exit polls Clinton is leading Obama by 10 points (but that's based on foreign news reporting)


Obama's camp also seems to be spinning the results already. What a bummer...
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/obama_clinton_c_1.html

Obama is toast because he has proven to be a racist, a liar and a hypocrite. Racism was not an issue in 2008 until Obama injected race baiting and swiftboating the Clintons and insulting all women. He lied about Nafta, and he has double standards with regards to issues. He was offended by Imus for his daughters' sake but yet he brings his daughters to the hate filled sermons in his church. I DO NOT TRUST OBAMA and if he is the nominee, my family is staying home in NOv and we will change party to Indepedent. I cannot believe the DNC is shoving this guy down our throats!
I see an end to this primary fight. The finish line is in sight and Hillary is a mile behind you.

Keep up the good fight Mr. Obama. My whole family is cheering for you!

http://laststopmidwest.blogspot.com
Get Obama's name on the ballot in PA.

No Voter Fraud !


I knew Rendell would try something.
Pat,

Hamas is not the leader of a country nor are any of it's heirarchy.  It is a hard-line organization whose goal is the dissoluton of Israel into an Arab state.  Equating the leaders of Hamas to the leader of a country is like comparing Osama bin Laden to the President of the United States.  By your rationale, Al Queda is a terrorist group, but bin Laden is the leader of radical muslims against the free world so one has to deal with them to make peace in the middle east.

Sorry, doesn't work.
OBAMA SUPPORTERS SHOULD TAKE NOTE, HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL NOT ALLOW THIS ELECTION TO BE STOLEN. IF WE HAVE TO, WE WILL TAKE THIS TO THE CONVENTION AND WIN. DON'T FORGET FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN, IF THE ONLY WAY OBAMA CAN WIN IS BY DISENFRANCHISING TWO OF THE BIGGEST SWING STATES THEN THE PARTY WILL NOT WIN IN NOVEMBER.

HRC IN 08 OR JM........WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. I DON'T NEED MY SOLE FIXED.

http://www.hillaryis44.com/
Obama shines. Period.

The closest Clinton got to "Shining" is when Jack Nicholson endorsed her. Her (behind) couldn't shine if she stuffed a flashlight down her pants.
He said he would meet with leaders of "countries" - Hamas is not a country - it is a terrorist "group."
Hamas is a terrorist organization not a country, Pat, so technically a 'representative' of our government isn't 'supposed' to meet with them.  Frankly, I think that if we can manage to save one HUMAN life by meeting with ANYONE then I consider that meeting a success.
Well spoken by Barack. Come on, PA let's end the
Clinton spider web full of lies.

Obama '08
He's such an empty suit, typical politician.   He's the supposed inevitable candidate.  HE's outspend her 3-1, he gets treated with kid gloves by the media and he's had 6 weeks to convince PA voters.  Now he's happy to get close???  Give me a break, he CAN'T close the deal.   The longer we get to know him, the more his teflon wears off.    Democrats are going to screw up this supposedly impossible election to lose.
I support Obama, but am very disappointed in his stance on Pres. Carter meeting with Hamas.  He met with the POLITICAL leaders of Hamas, not members of its military wing.  Secondly, they were democratically elected whether we choose to recognize them or not.  If any peace is to be made, Hamas will have to sign off on it.

However, any presidential candidate must always regurgitate the AIPAC talking points on Israel - "chief ally," "only democracy in the Middle East," "Israel has a right to exist," "Israel has a right to defend itself," etc...
Then by your definition he would not meet with the PLO or Abbas as they are a "Terrorist Group", not elected nor a state.  How then do you negotiate a peace settlement?  Sorry, is this gotcha politics or another rookie mistake?
Pat,

Hamas is not the leader of a country nor are any of it's heirarchy.  It is a hard-line organization whose goal is the dissoluton of Israel into an Arab state.  Equating the leaders of Hamas to the leader of a country is like comparing Osama bin Laden to the President of the United States.  By your rationale, Al Queda is a terrorist group, but bin Laden is the leader of radical muslims against the free world so one has to deal with them to make peace in the middle east.

Sorry, doesn't work.
Democrat (Sent Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:30 PM)

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You and Obamma need a quick history lesson my dear. Hammas was voted into the majority in the Palestinian Parlament in Gaza, and therefore, is in fact, the controlling group of the Palestinians.  Unlike al Qada, which has no official gov't standing.  So, you are wrong, and I am write.  Geez! What the Obamapods would say and do anything, even if it means lying and distorting reality, all for their cult leader.
Barack is cool headed, and pragmatic. Hillary will probably not catch him tonight. He came to Pa. to win, but also to keep her campaign in chase formation. As per one of your insightful posts earlier, he baited Hillary to spend herself out, as she flailed about. Brilliant. Wolfson, and the rest of them are realizing that they've been had.

Your foriegn policy is mighty Presidential, Senator Obama.

The,  "I support Obama because he's so dreamy", post, must have some of you biting the tips of your fingers off. Don't you know when you're being baited by a Hillary supporter?

Obama '08
logan from FL

That's 'soul' not 'sole' unless, of course, your shoes are old and have holes in them.  But, how do you figure that we would be stealing the nomination when we're the one's winning by every measure that counts even when Fl and MI are eventually counted.  And, by the way, HILLARY signed off on your states and said they don't count.  She agreed with disenfranchising them.
Carter, who is emblematic of the low road, is simply blazing the trail for both Hillary and Bill Clinton, who are about to have as little to do as Carter does, and a lot of time on their hands to mettle in foreign matters and generally interfere with a Barack
Obama administration.  
Hilton supporters should thank Obama instead of saying he is weak. He chose that route in politics. Questions he could have asked to give back in same coin as Clinton (or the moderators could have):

(1) Can one accurately say you are implicitly spending Columbia's money while you claim to be against their trade deal since you fie a joint tax with Bill and he took 800K from them?

(2) If you are very serious about this opposition to the deal, why would you not fire your top staff member that collects money for promoting the deal you oppose?

(3) As a follow up to the Bosnia story (the way they kept hounding Barack): Can you call it a mispeak if you repeated the same falsehood three times?
Is Bill's explanation accurate that this happens when one 60 and getting a little forgetful?

(4) Do you believe that Barack is indeed elitist compared to you considering that you also went to Yale and made 110 million last year?

(5) Peter vs. Paul: Does this suit claiming payments in exchange for potential favors not keep dogging you folks not present a problem against the GOP - if not at worst another impeachment or white house trial?

(6) Does she believe saying MCCain is qualified to be president and so is she but not Obama is worse than saying anybody is better than Bush including McCain but both Democrats are better than McCain
Jamil of Dearborn MI...oh PLEASE!! You think the "POLITICAL WING" of Hamas is significantly less dedicated to the destruction of Israel than the Military...er...terrorist side? Hamas is Hamas...terrorists!!!
Pat - you are correct in that perhaps no peace agreement can be attempted at this time without talking to Hamas. But President Carter isn't meeting with them as per the U.S. diplomatic strategy - he's meeting with them despite U.S. diplomatic strategy to the contrary.

I'm as critical as anyone of the Bush Administration when it comes to foreign policy, but until President Bush leaves office, he's still the only president we have. For a former president to defy the current administration with such a sensitive visit is worthy of criticism.

Whether President Carter likes it or not, he'll never be just another private citizen. He's a former president. Its a similar criticism to how President Clinton may be diminishing the prestige of the office by acting like a Wolfson-clone campaign hack. He's not a private citizen, and not just a candidate's wife - he's a former president.
I would hope msnbc will have some kind of an investigative report on the voting fraud hillary and camp are undertaking today, you are going to report on this tonight, right? we'll all be watching
he is pandering for the Jewish vote, and I don't blame him because wright hurt him on the jewish vote....

be smart listen and learn... he is no hypocrite he is softening the blow the right wingers set
To "Democrat", actually you are wrong.  The Hamas political party won the majority of seats in the most recent Palestinian elections for parliament.  That makes them the majority ruling party, and that is when the US said it would not deal with terrorist organizations and froze Palestinian assets.

Hamas is both a political party and a radical islamic group bent on the creation of a Palestinian state and the destruction of Israel.  They are one and the same.
Hamas is the actual government.. they were elected, labeling them plain terrorist organization is both misleading and dehumanizing. President Carter knows that they have to be involved in the peace agreement if there will be any change what so ever for a lasting peace in the Middle East. Hamas elected to join the political process instead of working as underground group. They were cursed by Bin Laden and Alzawahri for doing so. The government here should give them a chance to prove they can join the political process. Only that will get rid of the radical ideology that has polluted the Middle east now for decades. Prove to them that there is no use of joining the political process by supporting a puppet that is generally hated in the occupied Palestine will get us no where but more wars for the next 50 years.
Now that I think about it, Pat I can see your point, the are the elected Parliment, but still are considered terrorist.  Interesting, because Palestine is as you say not a state and thus the PLO and Hamas make up... what?  I don't what to call it LOL  
Common Democrat (Sent Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:26 PM)

He is NOT a racist, and you can't come up with PROOF that he is.  Just you saying it, doesn't make it so.

The DNC is not 'shoving Obama' down your throat, that would be the millions who voted for him who are doing that.  

Slander and libel are serious offenses, stop it now.  


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