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Pennsylvania results: What it all means

Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:11 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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Today's spin war... The Obama campaign will make the case the prolonged contest is hurting the party and damaging the nominee; the Clinton campaign will make the case the prolonged contest continues to energize the party and -- at a minimum -- toughens up the eventual nominee for the fall campaign. What do superdelegates believe? They will probably be talked into believing that every state should get their shot at voting simply because it's good for the local Democratic Party economies (that's the good news for Clinton); But these same superdelegates will want the race over on June 4; no prolonged debate about Florida and Michigan (that's the good news for Obama). No doubt Clinton will get a bounce out of her victory. The question is will it just be a boost for her or will we see Obama punctured at all in match-ups with McCain? That seems to be the definition of whether Clinton's bounce is useful or not -- does it not just boost her in the polls in both Indiana and North Carolina, but also boost her in match-ups with McCain compared with Obama? 

A dead cat bounce? The Washington Post's Balz lays out the numerical reality facing Clinton. "Clinton's path to the nomination remains extraordinarily treacherous even after the victory in Pennsylvania. Her margin was decisive, but even some of her most loyal supporters privately expressed doubts last night that she can prevail in the long battle against Obama.”

“The senator from Illinois still leads in the number of pledged delegates and the popular vote. He is almost certain to hold the delegate lead and will probably maintain the popular-vote advantage when the primaries end in early June. Perhaps more important, Clinton's campaign is nearly broke, whereas Obama has an enormous amount of money in the bank to throw into the next two contests and beyond. "

The Los Angeles Times' Z. Barabak and Levey concur. "Mathematically, with just nine contests left, it appears virtually impossible for Clinton to overtake Obama in the popular vote and among pledged delegates -- those chosen in primaries and caucuses. Her best hope was to instill enough doubts about Obama to persuade the 300 or so uncommitted superdelegates to rally to her side."

Adds the LA Times' Wallsten: "Pennsylvania voters Tuesday gave Hillary Rodham Clinton every reason to continue her campaign for president. But they did not present any definitive new evidence that would compel Democratic Party elders to step in and anoint Clinton as their White House nominee, particularly when Barack Obama continues to lead in the overall delegate count and in the popular vote."

The New York Times’ Nagourney suggests that the biggest loser from last night may have been the Democratic Party. Clinton defeated Obama “by enough of a margin to continue a battle that Democrats increasingly believe is undermining their effort to unify the party and prepare for the general election against Senator John McCain… ‘This is exactly what I was afraid was going to happen,’ said Gov. Phil Bredesen of Tennessee, a Democrat who has not endorsed anyone in the race. ‘They are going to just keep standing there and pounding each other and bloodying each other, and no one is winning. It underlines the need to find some way to bring this to conclusion.’”

The Boston Globe's Canellos: “Obama didn't get the most votes. He didn't deliver a knockout punch. And he didn't make many inroads into such crucial constituencies as white women and Catholics.” Clinton did “about what she'd been expected to do.” And: “…[T]he clear losers were those who were hoping for a definitive result from this primary season.” More: “The next primaries, two weeks from now in North Carolina and Indiana, will now assume the same importance as Pennsylvania - a chance for Obama to address his weaknesses and Clinton to show greater strength.”

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Sen. Obama:  PLEASE DROP OUT OF THE RACE for the good of the party.  You cannot win swing states (OH, PA, and FL), which means you cannot beat John McCain
The Pennsylvania win means that Axelrod was correct in February when he said the state was likely to go to the once-inevitable candidate, and also that he was correct in pointing out Clinton wouldn't be able to win enough delegates to Pennsylvania to affect the broader race.
Why can't Hillary close the deal?  She had the backing of the party insiders, and a year ago, the thought of Obama beating her would have been a joke.  Is it possible that there are enough people like myself, who absolutely will not vote for someone as brazenly corrupt as Hillary Clinton?  I don't want the Clintons back in the White House just so Bubba can do his cigar tricks on interns.  I don't want them in the White House so Hillary can continue the family tradition of pardoning terrorists in exchange for campaign donations.

Congrats on winning Pennsylvania, Hillary.  All you did was delay the inevitable.

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
I am ashamed that my fellow white women are supporting this inept, mismanaging, flip-flopping, pandering, unscrupulous, divisive, undeserving woman to be the Democratic nominee just because she is a woman.  Think, ladies.  You are just prolonging the inevitable and paving the way for another 4 years of Bush under the Mepublicans and McCain (I can see all the bumper stickers “Don’t blame me, I voted for Barack”).  You'll get what you deserve if you don't start voting with your head instead of your heart.....I too would dearly love a female president but this one wouldn't even be close to the starting line if her last name weren't Clinton.
This is no time for Hillary to drop out. She is still winning. She won all the big states. People are finally seeing the real, nothing but talk, Obama. She is also proving everyday that she would beat McCain easily. Obama can never do that. If it wasn't for the 14% of black vote, which in reallity is more like 98.5% for him, She would have won by even a larger margin.
This process needs to go as long as it takes to, to determine who the best person is to run this country. We are a country made up of rich, poor, educated, uneducated, young, old, etc...everyone needs to have their say, since ultimately the choice will affect us all.

This country is in real trouble...we need to make sure the right person gets the job.

Both candidates need to now focus on topics and not negative campaign ads (from either side) or rhetoric.

The media is irritated because they like to decide for the people...and for once the people are saying "we'll make up our owm mind".

While Hillary "won" Pennsyvania she actually lost ground when you look at the numbers.  Prior to last night, there were roughly 900 delegates left for claiming, including supers.  And Hillary needed 57% of them to get the nomination.  She got less than 57% of the delegates last night.  As a result, she now needs 59% of the remaining 743 delegates (including supers) to get to 2025.  
What does it mean? It means the Democrats now have buyers remorse. Obama is no longer the bright shiney new toy he once was, as now his politics, his association with criminals, racists, and terrorists, his elitist attitude, and his empty message have caught up to him. If he were the true leader in the race, he would have crushed Hillary in Pennsylvania. The result? He had a huge loss, and not a loss to a good candidate. Hillary's campaign is unbearable to watch. The firing of Penn, Bill and Chelsea stumbling through their routines around the country side, mistake after mistake by her campaign, and still they win by 10 points.

The Democratic party is in real trouble now. Anyone get a read on Dr. Howard Dean's blood pressure last night?
Other than denying the popular vote and delegate lead that Sen. Obama enjoys, why would Sen. Clinton remain in the race???  Does she want the superdelegates to overturn the will of the people?  Or, more likely, is she preparing for 2012 election now so she can get the American people used to the idea and ready for the fact that she is going to nukes ready to "obliterate" Iran and all of its people?  

By the way, why doesn't anyone talk about the fact that her lead in PA was more than 20 points and Sen. Obama still managed to cut that lead in half despite the so-called Wright and bittergate controversies?  And has anyone noticee how the GOP is already using Sen. Clinton', oops, I mean Karl Rove's attack book against Sen. Obama?
If it's true that Elizabeth Edwards is going to stump with Hillary in North Carolina, then Obama will in no way enjoy a 10 point rout there.
I think so many people are missing the point...Barack Obama spending money in Pennsylvannia was a brilliant strategy, it forced her to spend more money and time in that state then she would have normally had to...so now while he has money to focus on other states (which remember he did in between campaigning in Pennsylannia (he visited NC, SD, IN, and Montana)..Hillary is left penny pinching and she has to pick and choose which states she has to be competitive in. David Axelrod and Obama campaign are genius!! That is why he has my vote!!!
The April 22, 2008 Democratic primary election in Pennsylvania provides a vivid snapshot of the nation at a pivotal moment in history.  The results prove, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that a campaign of honesty, integrity, and wisdom can be derailed using a combination of the following tools:
- the subtle cultivation of basic fears and doubts
- blatant pandering to any and all present needs and desires
- the repeated enunciation of distorted half-truths
- shameless exploitation of widespread ignorance

These tools are backed by extraordinary power. Together, they can overcome deficits in manpower, enormous disadvantages in funding, and all forms of debate.  Their power can halt critical analysis, drown out reasoned arguments, and block fundamental change.  They can destroy hope itself.

These same tools will be used over the next two weeks in North Carolina and in Indiana.  If they succeed, in either of those states, then it will be clear that fundamental change is once again off the table.  The forces that divide our nation, for good or ill, will continue unaltered for at least another four years.
 

The media wants us to vote for McCain, they want us divided, they want to rule! Well to bad media the terrorists win, see the price of OIL?? They do not attack us with bombs, they crush us monetarily. I guess the media is to busy getting Obama elected to report on the real terror to our country.

Oh my God the biased media has again tarnished whatever Senator Clinton archives!
Why do we have a DNC or RNC or voters who VOTE!!
Why not let the media choose and save all the time and MONEY they give to OBAMA!!!


Margaret, as a resident of NC, I can assure that an endorsement from either Edwards means precisely as much as an endorsement from you.
IT'S THE DELEGATES, STUPID!!
OK Obama supporters it’s time to implement Operation Wimpy Whiner and start blaming those uneducated Pennsylvania voters and those horrid Hillary tactics for our candidate’s failures.  So let’s start complaining and don’t leave any excuse unused.
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Obama's buddy Rezco is on the hot seat in IL right now. The govenor there is probably headed to the same gray bar hotel as the former occupant of the statehouse and Obama hasn't seen 'bitter' yet from these folks. Link to my blog to read the Tribune piece.
OK Obama supporters it’s time to implement Operation Wimpy Whiner and start blaming those uneducated Pennsylvania voters and those horrid Hillary tactics for our candidate’s failures.  So let’s start complaining and don’t leave any excuse unused.
Did anybody catch a pretty frightening stat last night? Norah O'Donnell said that of those voters who said race mattered to their vote, 75% of them voted for Hillary Clinton.

I'm sorry, but that indicates to me that we haven't moved out of the 1950s -- or, at least, Pennsylvania hasn't.
Obama needs to drop out for the good of the party. He will lose the Popular vote in the end. He cant win the big states. McCain will crush him in November. how long before another questionable story comes out about him? We know everything about Hillary but nothing about Obama
The media has said that Obama needs to be tougher, needs to fight back. When he does the media claims he is being negative.  Anything to sell commercial time!
"If it's true that Elizabeth Edwards is going to stump with Hillary in North Carolina, then Obama will in no way enjoy a 10 point rout there. "

OK, so it will be more like a 20 point margin of victory.
Do you Clinton supporters even read the First Read postings before spewing your inane talking points?  The game is up, and Clinton has no reasonable path to victory, regardless of how much you may like her!!
You pick a state that Hillary is predicted to win big and ask why can't Obama close the deal. Pick NC. If Hillary doesn't win why can't she close the deal? It wasn't a come from the dead win. SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN!
Superdelegates are a non-issue. No sane superdelegate wants to be part of the death of the Democratic Party.

In the 1986 primary for governor of Alabama, the narrow win by Charles Graddick was overturned by party officials for valid legal reasons. They determined that his narrow margin of victory was the result of his illegal misuse of his elected office of attorney general.

As a result of the Democratic Party's justifiable overturn of the public vote, Guy Hunt was elected as the first Republican governor of Alabama since the 1870's. To this date, most Alabama governors are Republican.

None of the reasons Hillary Clinton comes up with for superdelegates to overturn the valid public vote even remotely compares to the reason the Alabama Democratic vote was overturned.
Hmmmm...the dems better be careful here...the elitism of many liberals is rearing its ugly head when they complain about middle class white women voting for a white woman but conveniently remain silent about 90% or more of blacks voting for a black man..if 90% of whites were voting for clinton you would be crying racism...you know you would


Yes all of the things that make Obama unelectable are Hillary's fault, and all the negativity is HIllary's and poor little Barrack has to deal with all those racist white people.

What a load of garbage! Obama is just as negative. Racism is helping him, what with 90% of the black vote and NONE of his problems absolutely none or the DNC's are Hillary's fault!

That is mysoginistic crap! He's unqualified for the job. Middle America can see and hear that loud and clear

This was likely Clinton's last happy night.
I say this because:
1. PA was OH on steroids for Clinton. The demographics were massively in her favor.
2. When the demographics have been in Obama's favor by this much, he has scored 15-25pt victories. Merely maintaining her OH 10pt margin isn't all that impressive.
3. Obama went into the PA primary vote after the worst three weeks of his primary season. This is the best it will ever look for Clinton, and she couldn't score more than a 10pt win (looking like it'll end up 9pts).
Obama should get back to his pre-bittergate strategy & message and this will be nothing but a blip in his march to victory.
If either of these candidates should drop out, its the one who is losing, not the one who is winning. Hillary has tried everything in the book to overcome the deficient this "inexperienced" candidate has accomplished. If Obama is "inexperienced," he is really putting a whooping on the "experienced" Hillary. It just don't figure to me. I don't know, maybe it's the back-room dealing and political wheelingand dealing that Hillary is speaking of when she says that she has more "experience."


Yes all of the things that make Obama unelectable are Hillary's fault, and all the negativity is HIllary's and poor little Barrack has to deal with all those racist white people.

What a load of garbage! Obama is just as negative. Racism is helping him, what with 90% of the black vote and NONE of his problems absolutely none or the DNC's are Hillary's fault!

That is mysoginistic crap! He's unqualified for the job. Middle America can see and hear that loud and clear

Cowboy Jack, what is your reasoning for Obama not being able to win swing states?  Be more specific.  Oh, I forgot.  Your one of those uneducated HRC supporters who do not know how to reason and therefore vote for HRC just because of her name.
It is funny how people can still say Hillbill(y) still has a chance, and her campaign is still alive.  Are you serious?  Even if she wins all the remaining states, and I said IF, she still will be behind in delegates and most likely popular votes.  What will she do then, go campaign for Mccain?  this is ridiculous.  
for a person who outspent 3 to 1 and all his blah blah blah to come out on monday and say he thinks she will win pa. then hop a plane monday night to indiana, just proves the point if he isnt winning he gets the heck out of dodge so if nominated and its tough he wont be able to do the job barak is arrogant and ignorant he doesnt have the experience. the media is blabbing about the african american numbers  but if i were to say i voted for hillary because she is white i would get called a racist, he isnt going to change nothing, osama said in 2001 that a man will bring us down from within our own goverment WELL THAT IS GOING TO BE BARAK IF NOMINATED all his ties to criminals prove it im proud to be a clinton supporter because she has better plans for everything and shes white
The Edwards' aren't as much of a shoe-in in N.C. Edwards may have been the junior senator here but he is still remembered as an ambulance chasing lawyer. He's probably more popular in S.C. than in N.C. because of it.
The Pennsylvanis results mean that Barack is sticking, and moving while he let's Clinton punch herself out of cash. His plan is to patiently contest every state. He will go for the knockout if he can, but is still racking up points to his eventual win. Hillary's Mike Tyson like 'early knockout', strategy was arrogant, ill concieved, and will probably lose her the nomination. Barack is a brilliant tactition, and Hillary is a wild, dirty street fighter. She cannot help but lose.
The more I get to see of Hillary, the less I like her. Her dirty tactics just leave me to believe that she is nothing new but actually just more of the same. I also, find her extremely arrogant. Her comments about letting Obama run as her running mate when she is standing in second place show her to be conceeded and lacking respect. I was actually surprised that she didn't use the word "boy" when referring to Obama when she made the comments.

Yes, Obama does have issues but I still think he represents a better chance for change.
 Barack Obama was never expected to win Pennsylvania. Nothing has changed.The delegate gap, in favor of Obama was hardly impacted. He accomplished what he wanted. Improving numbers with certain demographics, making Hillary spend more money to stay in, and gaining more support among super delegates.
 It is obvious who the Republicans want to run against. One just needs to listen to Beck,Buchanan,Coulter,Limbaugh,Bennett,Novak, etc to see who they want. They know they can dissect the Clinton Campaign.
 Obama will still emerge the victor,bloodied and tested,stained yet true to himself and honest with the American People.
Many a Democratic nomination in years past haven't been decided until June.  Why the rush to say Hillary can't make it. Super delegates are not pledged to either candidate. There are still many that are uncommitted. Even the one that are committed to Obama and Clinton can change there mind.  The next two months is a lifetime in a campaign. Its good for the party and it allows every state to participate.  If things go as the Obama supporters predict even he will not have the delegates needed to secure the nomination. Both camps are relying on the superdelegates and their role will be pivitol. If i was a superdelegate i would wonder why Obama couldnt close the deal in Ohio, Texas or Pennsylvania. We need to win in November. A brokered convention is just that...a brokered convention.  Look it up in your history books. Those superdelegates will make the decision for the party...Maybe they will decide on Al Gore as our best shot in 2008.  It could happen!
We all know the democratic race this year is not a political one.. It's about biased and ubiased. As much as the majorit of this country does not want a black man to be president, they don't want a woman even more. History repeats itself.. Black people could vote before women, and a black man will be president before a woman. Bigotry beats morals all the time.

Personally, I like Obama for my reasons. & I dislike Hillary because it's not her running. We all know it's Bill. Next thing, it'll be Chelsey. Our country is a democracy, not a monarchy. The presidency is not supposed to be inherited. Also, I am sick of listening to her lies.
The reality of the situation, is this continuing in party bickering is giving the Republicans even more fodder in the fall. Prior to Super Tuesday I told a staunch Republican friend that the Democrats had it in the bag-unless of course the party finds a reason to self implode and split- that I was pretty sure they would. He laughed and said you have a lot of confidence in your party. Well the proof is in the pudding. So my hats off to Hillary- the greatest split since Bull Moose. Congratulations Senator Mc Cain. 4 more years of this nonsense, UGH!
Why can’t Obama close the deal??  The answer is there are a good number of white voters that WILL NOT vote for a black man.  Period.  It’s that simple.  Now with that being said he didn’t get this far with only black voters.  He has a strong coalition of non-black voters, no doubt.  However, in OH, PA, KY, and WV uneducated (HS diploma), blue-collar, ethnic voters are more likely not to vote for him because he is black and for no other reason.  Now, I know everyone will respond and say “well blacks voted 92% to 8% for him, so they are doing the same thing”.  Not so fast, black voters are one of the core bases of the Democratic party.  And it surely didn’t get that way by black voters only voting for black candidates.  Black voters almost always support the Democratic candidate, black or white (mostly often white).  So that “black people only vote for black people” doesn’t fly. Rural, blue-collar, ethnic voters have always voted for a white candidate and they always will.  
Us Democrats have 2 great candidates so please stop saying Obama has lost his shine.  HRC was considered the heavy favorite before the race and Obama was lowly ranked contender.  HRC starts off in every big state with at least a 20 point advantage and Obama's numbers always INCREASE in those states while HRC's number always decrease!!  Both Obama and Clinton can beat McCain in November so whoever wins the popular vote and pledge delegate vote wins the nomination PERIOD!!
I live in the Philly burbs and I proudly cast my vote for Sen. Obama yesterday because I believe is a true leader.

That said, did anyone really expect him to win Pennsylvania? Sen. clinton was favored to win from the start and enjoyed a huge lead in the beginning of the PA campaign. For Sen. Obama to have closed the gap as much as he did is, in itself, a victory for the his campaign and supporters.

At the end of the day, his lead remains unchanged and insurmountable, and Sen. Clinton lives to die another day.

OBAMA '08
I think it is only fair to note that hte official page for the PA results shows the victory to be 8.6% not 10.  I am not saying that she did not win fair and square however it is not the victory that is being reported or the one she needed
Now that the college tours are over OBama is in a real fight.  The fact is that being ahead by a few delegates means little if you can't get to 2024.  I could care less about the Democratic (or Republican) party but I do care about the presidential election process -- Let it run its course...  
It seems that people are putting a little more emphasis on an Edwards endorsement than it may deserve. Edwards failed to deliver his home state, or the state that he represented when he ran as John Kerry's VP. He also failed to win those two states as a primary candidate. It would seem that having an Edwards endrsement is the equivalent of a screen door on a submarine.

"Vote for Hillary! It's OUR turn!!!"

                      -Women over 40
The reality of the Pennsylvania primary is this, Obama nor Clinton can close the deal on their own. They need each other to stop McCain. Obama has run an impressive campaign, he has the fiances and the educated voters. Clinton has some experience and she can bring voters to the table that Obama has yet to appeal to. As much as I don't want to admit it. The two of them on the same ticket might be whats best not only for the party but for the American people as well.
The polls in Penn yesterday showed that more Obama people would vote Hillary than Hillary people would vote Obama.

Better do a national poll before those Supers do anything.

I and 30 people with me will not vote for Hillary..EVER...
We are talking about going McCain. (Yes, 4 years of McCain, maybe he can change some stuff for the better) Then in 4 years we hope Obama will run again.

Today those 83% of women who voted for Hillary should be ashamed of themselves. Most women are only voting because she is a woman... not on issues or for who she has shown us she really is. Our children's futures on riding on this, so lets get it straight.... We burned our bras a longtime ago... Get over it and move on.

Supers you better stop this crap and stop it now.. We are done!!! I will not listen to her for another 2 weeks.
Obama will get at least 20% in North Carolina, even with Edwards.  The Edwards aren't really that much of an issue anymore.  The black community will overpower the southern whites, just like SC.  In order for Hillary to claim she has a shot, she needs to win NC AND IN.  She has no other real path to the nomination (other than triangulation), other than taking one of his states away from him.  
Is anyone else out there just sick and tired of this campaign? Every time there is a primary or caucus, the Clinton machine spins and moves the goal posts. And the press lets it happen. And the DNC lets it happen. She can't win unless the super delegates steal the nomination from Obama. So....the Democrats are ruining their chances of winning in Nov. Why? Because as Chris Matthews said, the Clintons feel the party is theirs to do with as they please. This country deserves what it gets. No change? Then spend the next 8 years with McBush! I intend to take my name off the Pary's registered voter list. The party leaders are spinelss and imcompetent. If Clinton can't win, then she will make darn sure Obama goes down, too. Nice going people.


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