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Bill Clinton, the day after Pennsylvania

Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:36 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
HILLSBOROUGH, NC -- Bill Clinton fired up a Tar Heel crowd here today by recounting some facts and figures from his wife's victory in Pennsylvania. He said that victory was made possible by "people like you," working-class types that he claimed the Obama camp is now writing off.

"Today her opponent's campaign strategist said, 'Well, we don't really need these working-class people to win, half the time they vote for Republicans anyways,'" he said, while speaking from a flatbed truck on a baseball field. "I will tell you something --  America needs you to win and therefore Hillary wants your support and I hope you will help her in this primary in North Carolina."

Clinton apparently was referring to comments by Obama strategist David Axelrod, who told NPR today that the "white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years," and that the Democratic candidates "haven't solely relied on the demographic"

Clinton told the hundreds on hand, as he told thousands of Pennsylvanians for more than a month, that this was "the biggest state still to vote." And he tweaked the Obama camp for ducking a previously planned debate.

"I think I know the answer to the question of why one candidate wants to debate, because I saw the debate in Pennsylvania. And afterwards, 41% of the voters watched it, and by 52% to 22% they said Hillary won," he said.

The rally was chock full of get-out-the-vote tactics meant to bank some votes for Hillary two weeks before the primary. For starters, it was held just outside an early voting location. "I'm supposed to remind you to vote early," he said. "Unless you haven't made up your mind, in which case, let me talk to you some more."

After his opening remarks, Clinton also answered some questions submitted by voters through the campaign's "NC Asks" program.

Before Clinton arrived, supporters were asked to phone bank, or text their number to the campaign for a chance to meet the former president.

The outdoor rally came to a hurried end when sunny skies made way for a sudden downpour. Four more events today are slated to be open air as well.

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Who would have ever though Bill Clinton could be more annoying than his wife?  I never thought the day would come when I would want Bill to stfu, but alas today is the day.
HE IS A CERTIFIABLE IDIOT...... HE IS FIGHTING FOR HIS LEGACY... NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND NOT HIS "BELOVED" WIFE WHOM HE HAS CHEATED ON FOR YEARS......  


SAD OLD MAN!
"Let me tell you something..John McCain is a fine man."--Bill Clinton

Sound like Bill has gone gay on us.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
clintonian

Main Entry: clin•to•ni•an  
Pronunciation: \klin-tō-nē-ehn\
Function: adjective
Etymology: New English, genus name, from William Jefferson Clinton
Date: 2008
: manipulative, scornfully deceptive, given to corrupt greed, tenacious until death (of one who is perceived as a roadblock to power), masking a desire to be harmful or destructive to someone for mere pleasure or sordid gain.  “Robert used political affiliations and clintonian tactics to defeat his opponent.”
The Clinton's all of them have done nothing but spit their venom at Obama at every turn.

This is a good man who speaks of Hope and change for our country and I belive could really change the politics of yesterday and give us a fantastic and prosper future.

I had been a non party voter for 22 years, but when I saw and heard Obama
I went and changed my registration to Democrat so I could vote for this man here in Oregon on May 20th

I am so against Hillary Huckabee Clinton I will never in a million years vote for her

I want hope and change
not venom and spite.

Thanks for a place to express my opinion

Obama 08
Obama is not ready and will never be ready to be President of the USA.

Clinton 08
If Hillary wins, I won't just sit on my hands...

And if our system of goverment no longer rewards honesty and fairplay, then it's time for a new goverment.

Real Americans want what's right!
I would be suprised if anyone with half a brain would believe anything Bill had to say. He has lied and lied somemore. People get real why on earth would you vote for Billary. Vote Obama he is the most honest one of the bunch!
The rain is foreshadowing the end to her campaign!
 "He [Bill Clinton] said that victory was made possible by "people like you," working-class types that he claimed the Obama camp is now writing off."

This is so wrong ... I would think it was wrong if the Obama campaign said it about Clinton.  This is the kind of twisting of a statement that so many of us are disgusted with.  

Anyone else notice the shills in the blogs pressing for Hillary donations?  These have to be campaign workers.  I certainly did not and will not announce every time I donate to Barack Obama.

Maybe Obama supporters can call them out as "Shillaries."

Now we have "Hillaryous" and "Shillaries."  This is getting fun!


(In case you didn't know, a shill is someone who publically praises someone for reasons of self-interest or decoys to get others to participate).
Wait till Obama hosts an event an UNC.  We'll show you what a real Tar Heel crowd looks like.
Is it true that Hillary is teaming up with the Republicans to attack Obama in North Carolina?
Why does MSNBC feel compelled to report on every appearance that Bill  and Chelsea Clinton make?

You do realize that this type of shenanigans allows the Clintons to receive 3 tims the coverage that Obama receives, right?
THERES ONE SIMPLE REASON BILLARY WON PA, THE MEDIA IS EITHER INDEBTED TO THE CLINTONS OR ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE REPUKES!!!! THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL MARK PENN,BOSNIA,THE FRAUD TRIAL,RENDELL PRAISING FARRAKHAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN PLAYED THE WAY IT HAS BEEN!!! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!! NOW YOU HAVE BILL GOING AROUND SPREADING LIES AND INDUCING RACE WITH A FREE DAMN PASS TO SAY AND DO WHATEVER....IS IT ME OR DOES IT FEEL LIKE THE MSM IS THE ONES WHO ARE REALLY AFRAID OF AN AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT....HMMMM!!!
For several weeks, I've noticed that Bill and Hillary have taken yet another page from the Bush/Rove playbook... using the phrase "my opponent".  Is this not obvious to anyone else?
It should be against the law to twist someone's words, and out , and out lie the way Hillary, and Bill do. I've begun to imagine them both burning in hell.
We love you President Clinton and Senator Clinton.
All the while he's pandering, he's thinking, "Hillary said to screw you dumb rednecks."  They look down their elite noses and laugh at you - and blacks - behind closed doors.  It's just part of the game.  WAKE UP people.  Their loyalties are only to their corrupt interests.
Bill,

The candidate with the majority of the Delegates wins. Those are the rules.
Not just the party's rule but Thomas Jefferson's rules.
If the Supers go against that then the result is all on you.  
Isn't your middle name Jefferson?

Sincerely
Gary Schear
OH GREAT WORKING CLASS PEOPLE - I have been working for 40 years now - have two jobs (60 hours a week) to just survive and not lose my home but still my biggest fear is for my son - so I will continue with this litany (forgive me if you have seen it a lot today but we can not forget about our armed forces and our two wars!):
Here’s a middle class older white woman’s spin for what it is worth.  DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN? Well you better get them passports fast.  We have McCain singing “Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran” to Beachboys rendition of Barbara Ann.  We have Clinton saying NUKE IRAN.  America is in two wars right now where the troops are spread thin and some are there for their third or fourth time.  Just recently the Armed Forces is now taking felons since they can not get enough of our children, grandchildren, husbands and wives to sign up.

WAKE UP AMERICA – we will be in a third war – probably starting WWIII if we back these candidates.  Don’t come back crying when it happens.  And don’t come back crying when they re-institute the draft and take away our kids and grandchildren.

Obama is not perfect; he does not walk on water.  However, he is the only one that seems to be interested in talking with all world leaders (leaders not terrorists).  

These are American lives we are talking about – sons, daughters, grandchildren, husbands, wives, and friends.  Give PEACE A CHANCE!  Vote Obama.


"Today her opponent's campaign strategist said, 'Well, we don't really need these working-class people to win, half the time they vote for Republicans anyways,'" he said, while speaking from a flatbed truck on a baseball field.

Gee, Bill, isn't that what Senator Clinton's own campaign said about all the states that Senator Obama won in February?

They wrote them off!

They called them insignificant!

They said they don't need them in November because they'll all vote Republican!

That truck didn't happen to have any turnips on it, did it?
When does this snake ever tell the truth?  Good politician or eternal liar?
Who can trust a woman who trusts Bill Clinton.

Bad Judgement is only reward by the ignorant, and illiterate.
Wow.  Bubba can really twist a statement around so that it no longer resembles what was actually said.

I'm impressed.  

Put a whisky bottle in his hand.  That's what he sounds like to me nowadays.  Can't believe I voted for him TWICE.  And defended him zealously.  What an embarrassment.  
Actually David Axelrod didn't say that those people weren't important, he just dismissed the notion that they are the only important people in America. Apparently Hill and Bill have decided that if you are not white working class, you just aren't America.
The one thing the Clinton campaign has done successfully is lead the media into accepting their declarations of what is important. The media benefits from keeping the race alive, but it's not necessary to believe in some sort of media-Clinton conspiracy to see how it works. Clinton says - the key races are Ohio and Texas, where, not coincidentally, the demographics favor her - and the media says, hey let's pay attention to that ... oh by the way, Obama will carry the next 11 states, so we don't have to pay attention to those.

I've heard some remarkable crap today on MSNBC - like Obama has only carried white working class votes in one state ... ONLY ONE WHERE YOU DO EXIT POLLING, You knothead. Do you think it was the black vote that carried him in Kansas, North Dakota, Idaho, Minnesota, Colorado, Nebraska, Wyoming, Washington, Iowa, etc.?

Anyway, when you see the race as a boxing match, Obama is so far ahead on points, she needs a knockout and she's too tired to even throw a real punch.

The key story from PA is that Obama in getting 45% captured enough delegates to make his nomination inevitable.
A lot of us (at least me, that is) who used to admire Bill Clinton have lost respect for him. He's trying to outbitch Hillary as if that were possible.
Anybody else always feel the need to research the context of Bill Clinton's comments to find out whether he's taking comments out of context?  David Axelrod was specifically asked whether Barack had "enough support in his base...to win even if the working white class were to go to John McCain".  I guess Bill Clinton expects all of us to say no?
Given that Hillary has made Bill Clinton her main surrogate and most highly visible campaigner, it seems appropriate for reporters to start asking him if he's curbed the sexual excesses that tore apart the country in the 1990s, or if we should expect more interns snuggling under him in the 3rd Clinton presidential term. If Hillary can toss around Farrakhan's name in a nationally televised debate, I see no reason why Americans can't ask if Bill has cured his sex addiction. Or is the media really that scared of the Clintons?
That wasn't even close to what Axelrod says.  When will the media call the Clintons out for outright lying to the American people?  Talk about elitist - he thinks those folks are such rubes that they'd buy that crap.
Once again Bill lies. God, can't someone stop them. Call them out on this crap. Not just in a blog either
UNFORTUNATELY, CLINTON'S CONSTITUENCY RESPONDS FAVORABLY TO THIS KIND OF POLITICAL RHETORIC AND OUTRIGHT LIES.  THE KITCHEN SINK WASN'T ENOUGH THOUGH TO MAINTAIN HILLARY'S 20+% PT LEAD THAT SHE HAD EARLY ON IN THE PA CONTEST.  

I HOPE THE GOOD DECENT HARD WORKING PEOPLE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND INDIANA WILL THROW THE SINK RIGHT BACK AT THE CLINTONS SO THAT DEMOCRATS CAN GET ON WITH THE REAL TASK AT HAND - DEBATING MCCAIN!
Bill just walked into the 'screw 'em' trap, just like a big ole bear. Barack spring it on 'em. Bill will decry he was tricked by your campaign's memo, but it's too late, he's caught. Take issue with them on this.
Yeah working class people, "America" needs you to win so Bill can make another $100 million dollars shipping your jobs over seas.

Don't be fooled.
Monica Lewinsky

Sexual Harassment

Impeachment
Frisky Billy at it again, lying to the people.Hilly and Billy could do a sword fight thing with the noses if they where Pinnochio. Sorry Pinnochio dont even think you could lie that well. They are trully running on pure manufactored ,twisted theories.It's as if they feel that if they cause a big enough distraction everywhere they go , then they can Swan Dance to the nomination. They seam to have lost touch with all sense of reality.Or just dont care anything about the truth or anything that resembles it.The Clintons have made regret with every bone in my body the fact that I used to be a fan of theirs.  After seeing their Republican attack adds I must use the words of The Once Great Bill Clinton. If you have two candidates and one appeals to your HOPES, and the other plays upon your fears. TRUST THE ONE THAT APPEALS TO YOUR HOPES.  I am a supporter of Barack Obama and I support that Message BY The Once  Great Bill Clinton.  The imposter that we see out there now was put in the other Bill Clintons place By his Fembot mechanical wife ,when the real Bill had heart problems. Now I hope that the Supers see the fraud that is being perpetuated by the Clinton Camp for what it is !!!!!  These are not the same people that the Dems loved and faught for in the 90's.They have become something thats is very unsavory ,mean and twisted.I having been one of their biggest fans am deeply hurt by their tactics and dispicable behaviour.
Bill Clinton is such an embarrassment. And why any self-respecting woman of any age would ever vote for Hillary, who doesn’t seem to have a shred of self-respect, is confounding. The Clintons will say anything and do anything for their own personal gratification, regardless of the consequences to the Democratic Party and the American people. It’s like watching a horrible accident in slow motion.
Can the Clintons just stop being so intellectually dishonest, please?
I find it really insulting when they strain so hard to twist statements around to fit their narrative. They started off today with the "new math" on the popular and now this. My respect for them is gone.
hillary will not win this nomination, so i wonder why she is still in it trying to tear the party apart. why all the spin? maybe she wants to destroy obama's chances of winning in november so that she can have the chance to run in 2012. first, there will be new faces in 2012 with new and more appealing ideas, so i don't see her getting anywhere. who would have, four years ago,  thought obama would be where he is today? hillary had been leading in national polls long before others even decided they would run; she has had all the democratic apparatus behind her as we saw in pa, with every mayor of an major pa city endorsing her. the governor was for her. which pa democratic operative was not for her? she should have won this thing by 30 points and she did not. i personally did not see her performance in pa as stella. she is toast, she wont win the nomination.
Is it true that Bill Clinton told Gennifer Flowers, a woman with whom he had an affair, that Hillary, his wife, is Bisexual??  The comment Bill made is in a book written by Gennifer Flowers. If true, America has the right to know now as this election process moves forward. Transparency, remember?
Cheney OK'd CIA Torture Tactics
WASHINGTON, April 11--US Vice President Dick Cheney and his cohorts approved using harsh interrogation techniques against prisoners after asking the Justice Department to endorse their legality, the report said.  The officials also took care to insulate President Bush from a series of meetings where CIA interrogation methods, including waterboarding, which simulates drowning, were discussed and ultimately approved.
An anonymous former senior US intelligence official familiar with the meetings described them to the AP to confirm details first reported by ABC News on Wednesday.
Between 2002 and 2003, the Justice Department issued several memos from its Office of Legal Counsel that justified using the interrogation tactics, including ones that critics call torture.
The former intelligence official said: "If you looked at the timing of the meetings and the memos you'd see a correlation."
The meetings were held in the White House Situation Room in the years immediately following the Sept 11 attacks.
Attending the sessions were Cheney, then-Bush aides Attorney General John Ashcroft, Secretary of State Colin Powell, CIA Director George Tenet and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., lambasted what he described as "yet another astonishing disclosure about the Bush administration and its use of torture."
American Civil Liberties Union legislative director Caroline Fredrickson called on Congress to investigate, saying "with each new revelation, it is beginning to look like the torture operation was managed and directed out of the White House."
The former intelligence official described Cheney and the top national security officials as deeply immersed in developing the CIA's interrogation program during months of discussions over which methods should be used and when.
At times, CIA officers would demonstrate some of the tactics, or at least detail how they worked, to make sure the small group of "principals" fully understood what the al-Qaeda detainees would undergo.
The principals eventually authorized physical abuse such as slaps and pushes, sleep deprivation, or waterboarding.
It's amazing how Bill Clinton generates such great anger among so many Obama supporters. It's the type of response he used to get from Republicans.  It almost makes one suspect that many Obama supporters are really disguised Republicans.  They both certainly show the same disdain for working class Americans.
Enough of the Clinton camp's lies.  How come the press isn't talking about Hillary saying "screw `em" when referring to lower income southern workers, the same people to whom she is presenting herself as their hero?

Does anyone really think right wingers are going to support Hillary in November?  
Once again, Bill and Hillary's divide and conquer mentality has been what keeps politician's like them in power for generations.

Other than George Wallace, Bill has become the worse fanatical democratic politician I can remember

Did HW act like this to get Dubya in the White House?  I don't recall.  

One for the history books. Clinton behavior during this campaign will be footnoted to death.

Obama can, Obama will, be president
The truth is America needs the Clintons right now... with the rest of the world willing to lie and cheat and steal> America needs a president who is just as good if not better at that game than the rest of them...Obama proposes change...What kind of change is he suggesting? Does he ever spell it out? NO! As for the Clintons being ambitious...when has that ever been wrong in America? The American dream is built on the backs of AMBITIOUS people. I believe that Mrs. Clinton  being a woman is as much as a change for America as Obama being black is a change. However, the steel in that womans back has been tried, and tried again, she is like that old Timex commercial "Takes a licking and keeps on ticking". This is what America is about...you took a licking in 911 but you are still ticking. That old Battle Axe..Hillary Rodham Clinton is the Axe that will bring the right change to America. She is woman hear her roar!  
Is this all about Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton?How
many of you making all these statements about Bill Clinton are perfect?You better check Obamas's Marital
history before you run someone else down.Obama's wife runs his life,check it out!The Republican Party will tear him to pieces if he is nominated!
Bill go sit down.  You are tired, you  have become very ignorant.  You are not running for president again.. Or maybe you are.  One thing I know is I am tired of listening to your pathetic whining.  I'm not sure what everyone else is missing, but you and your wife have been awful.. Now, to the people who condone this type of behavior and think this is good for the democratic party, you are wrong.  At one point, I would have been willing to vote for the other person if my person did not win the nomination, but now no way.  Honestly, if "the people" wanted her she would have had the nomination by now.  This is awful that this man has not been awarded what is due to him and I will not let this go away if it is stolen form him.
It seems that just about everyone putting up the commentd are pro-Obama. We all know that NBC is Obama headquarters.You Obama supporters look out I believe you are in for a big surprise. Hillary will win the nomination and if she does'nt a lot of democrats are going to vote for Mccain.
There I was mindin my own bidness when this here turnip truck come barrelin around the corner and this grey haired fella come a flyin off the truck.  Said his name was Bubba and axed would I vote for his missus.  So's I replied son, I sure didn't fall off the turnip truck, but you shore enuf did.  Asked what his missus was runnin fer and he said POTUS...Hmmm I thought People ought to use smarts.  All I know is, someone takes a fall off a turnip truck, he ain't so smart.  

In a far from conventional campaign, it would appear the convention will determine who goes forward.  Let the remaining primaries decide.  Have a great day all!!


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