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Obama: The race factor

Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:12 AM by Mark Murray

The New York Times’ Nagourney looks at how much Obama's problems have to do with race. "While arguably critical to determining the viability of Mr. Obama’s candidacy, the role of race is difficult to disentangle from the other strands of the political debate surrounding him, encompassing topics like values, elitism, ideology and experience. Although some polling evidence hints at the depth of racial attitudes in this country and the obstacles Mr. Obama faces winning white voters, it has historically proved challenging to measure how racial attitudes factor into voter decisions. (Respondents do not tend to announce to pollsters that they will not vote for a candidate because he or she is black.)”

“It is also hard to discount that Mr. Obama has arrived at this place in his candidacy after winning big victories in very white states. The crowds at his rallies are as white as any at a Clinton rally, and many analysts in both parties believe that racial attitudes in this country are changing at a breakneck pace, particularly among younger voters, making it risky to impose models from even four years ago on this unusual election."

Ex-Virgina Gov. Doug Wilder, an Obama supporter, offers some advice to Obama. Most importantly, be prepared for folks to continue lying to pollsters due to race. That said, Wilder is confident about Obama's chances and thinks if the GOP gets seen by the public as if they were race-baiting, they'll be in trouble.

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a story the Clinton campaign will be moving around a lot today. The LA Times: "Obama continued accepting donations from oil company executives and employees last month even as he aired ads in which he stated he took no oil company money, his campaign finance reports show. Obama has taken at least $263,000 from oil company executives, family members and employees since entering the presidential race last year, including $46,000 last month. At least $140,000 has come in chunks of between $1,000 and $2,300, the maximum permitted under federal law."

Fitch-gate? "An Abercrombie & Fitch spokesman said the placement [of three young men in the company's apparel behind Obama during his concession speech] was nothing more than coincidence, although he acknowledged fielding several calls from friends, relatives and an investor wondering the same thing. 'We don't pursue product placement as a company at all,' said spokesman Thomas Lennox." More: The Obama camp also denied any paid sponsorship from the company. Indeed, campaign finance records list just one individual donation from an Abercrombie & Fitch employee, for $500."

“Since the fall, pro-Obama street art has popped up all over the country, primarily in urban areas such as New York, Chicago, Seattle and LA. In several cases, the Obama campaign has been directly responsible - although it has very carefully kept plausible distance, for the purposes of "street cred" and obeying the law.”

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Are oil company executive and employees prohibited from exercising their free speech right of making political donations?  Sounds like Clinton is trying to shut people down.  How pathetic does she have to be before even she realizes that she's a joke? When will she admit that she takes far more money from oil company execs and employees that Obama does?  Clinton is the mother of hypocrisy and lies.
Senator Obama has percentages of every demographic with him. As he continues to campaign as our nominee, he will continue to make greater inroads. Street art, cool.
I think the evidence in the voting shows that race is significant with older voters and not with younger voters.
In the primary, at least, Clinton has more of a "race" problem than Obama. She and her husband managed to alienate 90% + of the largest minority race in the country and which represent 20-30% of the Democratic base.  Obama consistently has won in states with 95%+ White population.  I realize the writers have little to write about, but there are at least two side to this issue and Senator Obama's race hasn't hurt him as much as his opponents race-baiting  techniques.  The Republicans actually are probaly smarter than to try to use race as a wedge.  Or maybe not.
Obama'a race isn't a factor but he has tried to make it one.  Lots of folks who vote for him do so because he is black and that is understandable.

The facts are that Obama can't win in November.  He is inexperienced, he hasn't been vetted (should have been months ago), he gives off an air of superiority,
seems very uppity and has a hard time talking without a script and teleprompter.  Hillary can rattled off ideas and fact with the best of them.  Obama cannot do that.  

I could never vote for Obama. He is unknown and I fear who his backers are and what they expect and what he has promised them.  I see an Obama presidency as a regime. That is scary but it will never happen.  Should he get the nomination, then my support and money goes to McCain.  
I believe the true impact of Senator Obama's associations with Rev. Wright, William Ayers as his fundraiser, negative comments about the middle class, his foreign policy justification because he's traveled to other countries, very poor performance at the debate, etc. are ALL being factored in one way or another at this point.

Had the media done it's job, remained objective and vetted this candidate as is standard practice...then the American people would have weighed in on this long ago.
Illinois is probably the only state that both Obama and Clinton can claim as a home state.  Not only did Obama beat Hillary easily here, but he also demonstrated how valuable his support is.  Bill Foster and Jim Oberweis were contending for the seat that Dennis Hastert vacated.  This is in one of the most Republican districts in the country.  Ronald Reagan was born in this district.  Bill Foster asked Obama to campaign for him.  The result:  Foster beat Oberweis by a big margin.

I live in Illinois, so trust me on this.  No way does Hillary get that kind of result!

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
Yes, it looks like our country hasn't progressed as much as I had hoped in this area.  Unfortunately, a lot of us would rather cut off our noses to spite our faces rather than vote for an AA regardless. I've been trying to ignore this fact for the past few months, but it's true. Sad, but true.
Yeah, just look at how much race is NOT a factor in the obnoxious ad the NC GOP is running.
That said, I think Obama can still win in white America, and so must the GOP.  I was noticing this am on the Moron Joke show on msnbc that Joe is pushing mighty hard for Clinton---because he knows the dim old man the GOP set up to run hasn't got a chance against Obama. So, white America must not be COMPLETELY hopeless.
"Ex-Virgina Gov. Doug Wilder, an Obama supporter, offers some advice to Obama. Most importantly, be prepared for folks to continue lying to pollsters due to race."

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I'd expect the same to be true about Senator Clinton's candidacy...be prepared for folks to lie due to gender.

Here's the problem with polls...nobody is going to flat out come out and say that they aren't voting against a candidate based on either gender or race because they feel they'll be judged by the person asking the questions.
Why are the headlines about race and not closing the deal?  That's Clinton hype!  PLEASEEEEE

He shaved a 20+ advantage down to 9+... This with the ugly smear campaigns out there from HRC's camp.

She doing just what she said she would - win the nomination at any and all costs, including attempting to destroy a bright young man's future.

Hillary, he's the future - you're the past!  Why can't you see we need a CHANGE - not more lies and spin.
No matter how hard Obama tried, he could not keep his campaign from being about race. It's what liberals live for, ie. categorizing people into little pigeonholes. Now will come the endless stories about the reason for Obama failings are because of his race and how racist people are for not voting for him. This argument is getting a little old.
Interesting article and one that makes me feel better after hearing this morning from Lanny Davis on Morning Joe that my home state shows a tie between Obama and McCain.

We are for the most part a working class state and I know for a fact that race is a factor with the white working class men up here.  

I hope that what happened in Pennsylvania on Tuesday doesn't happen here in November. We are an anti-war state which should help Barack in November.

I wonder if once Hillary Clinton is out of the campaign and the general election campaign heats up, that Obama's numbers will go up. I looked at some polling that was about a month old and it showed a + 90% chance of MA voting democratic in November. Things have changed since then, thanks to the Clinton/Republican Party scorched earth campaign we have all witnessed against Obama.

Indiana could end this race. Let's hope so for the sake of the Democratic Party.

Despite what Chris Matthews said last night, I still maintain that Barack can win PA in November. He won't be running against the Clintons at that point, and Rendell & Co. I'm sure will do everything possible to discredit the Republicans during the fall campaign. Right?

The working class in this country have been exploited for so long - by the Bush Administration.

They're obviously not getting the message yet.

By the way - has anyone in the media yet called the Clintons "whiners" because they are disputing every fact put out there that shows Hillary is not going to win?

Regarding the LA Times article, you guys missed the paragraph down a bit:

"Clinton has taken $336,000 from oil company executives and employees since entering the presidential race, including $27,000 in March. McCain took $41,000 last month, for a total of $445,000."

Both totals more than Obama.  Come on, guys!!!  Do your jobs!!!  Report accurately!!!
Obama gets all these crowds of people to show up and he still loses.

Reminds me of John Kerry......
He was supposed to have the young folks vote him in...
They went to play video games instead of voting.....

Another reason that young people just can't be trusted?
ofCource race is a factor. That is why patriotism is an issue.

that is why people say we don't know him? because its really hard to know black people. White people ya they are safe
Race has everything to do with it.  Those who didn't/want vote for him used the Wright, and the so call elitist comments as an excuse because they know it is very ignore to be racist.  Rendell admitted weeks ago that Pennsylvania would not vote for Obama because he is black.   After he realized what he said, he tried to back track by explaining that comment with a flimsy explanation.  But he called it dead on.  He knows his state better than anyone.  That is exactly what Hillary means when she said he is not electable.  She want admit it out loud. It is older people and blue collar men who have a tendency to be racist.  The older people grew up in the era when the country was so very racist and it is in them, and the blue collar workers blame the loss of there jobs on affirmative action rather than NAFTA.  The media knows the mentality of the blue collar workers that is why it often speaks about Obama winning the blue collar workers.  Educated people are less likely to be racist.  That is why Obama attracts them because they can look pass race and judge a person by the content of his or her character.

Although Joe Scarborough has a degree, he has the mentality of a blue collar worker.  He hates Obama passionately because of his race.  I said race because Obama has not done a thing to him for him to spout his venom towards him.  He made a very racist comment Monday on Race to the White House: "Isn't that funny, it boils down to us white men deciding who will be the nominee."  He said it in a condecending way with a smirk on his face.  I noticed the media ignored that.  If Obama had made a comment of that nature, the media will be still talking about it.

In spite of the few racists, there are a lot of good people who has moved past that.  Unfortunately, some racists are in the media.  That is scary because they have a national outlet to spread it.  I admit it is not blatant but all you have to do is read between the lines when they speak and watch their body language.  It is shameful that we still face that in the 21st century.
To quickly we forget that "To Form a More Perfect Union" speech...when mud becomes more important  than real problems and issues
Why Hilary absolute best outcome is vice president.

After following the rules by the Democratic Party, Obama is on the brink of winning the most pledge delegates.  For the Party to take this nomination away from him will reflect the sentiment and doubts African American have in the back of head: “No matter how hard we try to get ahead in life and no matter how much we follow the rules there will be someone there to take it away from you”.

The most loyal block of the Democratic Party, African Americans, will stay home or even worst vote Republican- if the Republican were able to build up enough outrage about the fairness of not nominating Barack Obama. This is unlikely because of John McCain voting record- Martin Luther King Day.  McCain has now started courting African American for good reasons.  On abortion, gay marriage, and religion African Americans are align with the Republican; hence, it would be that difficult for African Americans to switch party but this will only happen if and only if the Republican can show and prove they care about minorities.  Democrats must choose Obama has their nominee in order to minimize African American backlash which would last over 40 years.  

Hilary Clinton has knock Obama down from his pedestal and only leave him with only one decision:  He must choose her as his vice president or another female with strong national security experience.  Obama can win the Presidency if Hilary is the vise president.

The ramifications for awarding the nomination to Hilary Clinton is too big of a price to pay for a family who was once consider the darling of the party.



It is ashame that we, as Americans, can't get beyond what someone looks like or their ethnic/cultural/"racial" background when voting.  We need to look at what they have done in the past as well as their statements and their policy proposals.  That is how we need to strive to look at candidates.  Somehow, I don't think that is going to change anytime soon.  
Obama is black?  Really?

I thought he was just an Ivy League educated attorney and Senator with a vision of a United States that works together, not against each-other.

People who limit him to black vs. white have to realize that he is the best of both worlds with a varied upbringing and a great mind that allows him to see all sides and find solutions accordingly.  Many of us know this which is why there are so many educated people who support him.  If you think for yourself and have great ideas for the future of our wonderful country, you probably support Obama.  

It is also the reason why so many Hillary supporters do not.  The not-so-bright segment of the population and those people who think she is a woman (questionable, at best) follow her like puppies because they think they know who she is or that she will represent them because of her race or her sex.  They forgot the 90's and all of the controversy, secrecy, and self-serving actions of the first Clinton terms and only remember that it was better than the last 8 years.  Guess what?  Aside from the Civil War, WWI, the Great Depression/WWII and Vietnam, every time in history was better than the last 8 years!  The Clinton administrations were not good, just better than recent history.

So, everyone, get your heads out of the past and look at the present and the future.  Do you really want four more years of the same (Hillary or McCain) or the probability of something different (Obama)?  This is what attracted my attention with Obama.  There is no "cult," only hope of a better America than we have today and a great willingness to support that effort.  Hope you love your country too.

"Despite what Chris Matthews said last night, I still maintain that Barack can win PA in November. He won't be running against the Clintons at that point, and Rendell & Co. I'm sure will do everything possible to discredit the Republicans during the fall campaign. Right?"


I agree.  Once the Hillary Clinton variable is removed, the polls and subsequent election results will prove that Obama CAN win PA.  
The unique thing about Obama is that he is half black / half white.  If that doesn't unite the country I don't know what will.  He's got a piece of everyone in him and he can bring us all together.  Come on people, we can do this.    
Race isn't the only issue in this Primary. Hillary has been pushing the gender button since she started her campaign. Many woman my age (I am a woman over 60 and a manager at a large corp) are voting for Hillary 'just because' she is a woman. I prefer to wait for a woman candidate who has some personal integrity, younger women can see right through Hillary.
Reading this comments and trying to make sense out of what some are saying is sometimes very hard. Some say race does not matter and that should be true, but why is Obama getting about 92% of the AA vote. Are they voting for the man and his positions on the issue or are they just voting for him because he us an AA. I don't like his postion on handguns, but the calls that came into my home had only one message. Be sure to vote as we have a chance to elect the first AA, not one word about the issues.
Stop blaming America for democrat's racist and sexist attitudes.
To the person signed Hillory or McCain you as lead off with an interesting statement. You say Obamas race is not a factor,then you say latter that he seems UPPITY. Lady that statement sayes it all for that is what racist people have labled successful black people for years. They call them Uppity N*ggers behind closed doors.So when you started off by saying race is not an issue I read between the lines.  Monica let me give you a trick I have learned in my lifetime, Body Language is a tell but more than that a look in the eyes is a better tell. Let me say this their are good people in this country of every race , I grew up in a very well mixed community.To be honest a lot of people dont understand the root causes of racism.   It is a fear of the unknown. I used to say that if America trully wanted to heal it's racial problems that we would institute a program to invite a coworker and their family home for dinner. Then reverse it, when we spend time with each other we learn from each other. I am a big fan of carpooling as long even more when the two or three in the car are friends of different ethnic backgrounds. That is when true questions of unknowns can be answered.
    Yes race has become an issue in this campaign and it is the Clinton campaign that slips it out there as a tactic of divisiveness. They are feeding on the  fears of the unknown. Using little subtle tricks then when called on it point the finger in the other direction.
Clinton is playing you folks.

For Hillary, it isn't about delegates or even your votes but the psychology to make you believe what she wants. Her campaign has been using that new catchphrase a lot lately. "Psychology".  Google it.

The facts ignored, she is creating the smoke and mirrors to make it look like she even has a chance.  She really doesn't. The race is essentially over unless she can get 70% of votes in the next 9 races.  Highly doubtful.

Guess who's really taking the most lobbyist money:

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K02
sorry folks to those of you who think barrack will win Florida, Michigan, Ohio and PA in November. There is no way he will carry those states. Therefore will not get elected.
That's a simple fact and reality. He will be another Kerry - and Kerry won PA thanks to Bill Clinton.

Like it or not, Hilary is the best candidate to go up against McCain. She can win those states for the dems. Isn't the point of all these is to get the Republicans out of the White House?
Why nominate a candidate who for sure will not carry important, critical states? Utah will vote dem? LOL, yeah right!

Race? It is Obama's campaign who is always bringing this issue up. Just so people don't forget...Please.

MSNBC I dare you to post this.
Be real, Americans are not ready for Black President, especially the white working class and white senior 60+, and most of older babyboomers.  Don't deny the truth.  Americans would rather vote for white female and women would rather vote for any woman just to break the glass ceiling, not the quality of the candidate.  How can America move forward if Americans keep bringing back the old dynasty - Clintons - Think deeply and care about the next generations, Americans if you love your children and grandchildren.  It is time to think about the country and next generations, not about yourself - be unselfish for a chance.

America lost its world leadership, status, respect, repution and become poorer compairing to China and India.  If you think America is still rich, you are ignorant and be fooled by old Washington politicians.  Americans are blame and accountable for what America is today.
By God, I hate that woman. I really dread the fact that I may have to endure eight more years of a president that I detest but if Hillary get it, I will be doing just that.  I, a lifelong Democrat, will not vote for her in November.  It will either be Nader or a write in for Obama or maybe John McCain.  At least I can stand the sound of his voice.  
Black candidate - born to a kansan mother, brought up by a kansan mother and grandparents: how is it that this most developed nation looks at the color and texture of your coverings and decides on racial categorisation? How is he more black and less white? And why would anybody have a proble with him looking for aragula - in this country of free choices? Why can't he run as an earnest, smart, promising product of what all americans say they are proud of - "our varied heritage and our vast opportunities." Why can't the media celebrate that instead of denigrating everything that may be a necessary trait in a leader of the free world?  We try and hire the smartest person to any executive position in the world, don't really care what he/she orders for lunch - yet we need a president whe we can feel can drink like the average joe, bowl like the average joe .... for the most important position in the US, to be a respected leader of the world?
Hello Super-delagates:

I am a real American. I work every day for my living.  I have a mortgage, and a jeep.  I am not rich, but I work hard every-day except Sunday when I spend time with my Family. In addition, every day, I try to figure where I can squeeze a little more from my budget to help my oldest son, who is in college.  By the way, my oldest son and I have both been in the military, so we know what it means to sacrifice.  And we both morn the loss of dear friends and comrades.  We know there value is far above the price of oil, which sometimes makes us bitter.  My son went to Iraq, my sister invaded Iraq, I have a brother-in-law who has been to Iraq twice, and he is in the reserves.  I have held a secret security clearance.  I say all of this because I want people to know how I believe real Americans feel.

Hillary must win this election fairly, and on her own merits—not others.  Furthermore, if any back-room, rule-breaking, after-fact-deals, occur(like Hillary winning the popular vote without counting Obama’s caucus votes, or she take all the votes from Florida and Michigan—rule breaking—then I can promise that we Americans will not take it sitting down.  Our country could face utter civil disobedience.  Thomas Jefferson’s words will take root and grow.  Real Americans will not let the extremely wealthy people who control the media (all the media,) control us.  Real Americans can see through the smoke clouds and mirrors.  Real Americans will demand that this be a fair election, and that the super delegates  had better wake up and realize that there is more at stake her than just picking a president!  America’s honor is on the line.  We, Real Americans-- democratic, republican, and independent, and those without affiliation—will not let you dishonor our fallen soldiers, the hard working people of America, and our brothers and sisters, who have sacrificed so much—with your dishonesty!

Hillary, right now, you are representing all women! Stop acting like a spoiled idiot. You do not need to twist and spin every thing about this election.  Even if you lose—lose with some dignity, lose with an ounce of self-respect, and lose with your honor in tact! To say that you are leading the popular vote—is a lie, and it is cheating.  Stop your--self-torture. Have some class and be the “woman” we all know you are.  

Obama—I liked you better when you were giving speeches.  At least you spoke from your heart.  People respect that!  What they do not respect is negative, tit-for-tat, adds.  If you return to your honor, you will see what I say is true.

And finally, this lying about I won the states that matter most is a crock.  Only the very ignorant and stupid would believe such an argument, Hillary.  Running against another democrat splits the democratic vote in half.  To say Obama would not win because you beat him in this state or that is insane, stupid, and totally not true!  You dishonor yourself Hillary and the democratic process.  Real Americans want our honor, your honor, our countries honor to be restored!  Do not continue to dishonor America by twisting the truth. You do your self no credit.

Lastly, I hope our politicians can re--think what it means to represent America.
What kills me is how some people on this board (not the most intellectual group) and media types say that Obama benefits from being African-American b/c 90% of black people vote for him and that he uses race as a tool to help him win the democratic nomination. There are four things very wrong and just plain dumb about these arguments.

1. If Obama benefits b/c he is black, doesn't Clinton and McCain benefit from being white or only black people capable of voting based on race? History proves that white people have a longer track record of voting based on race than black people.  There have been more black people voting for white people than the other way around.  If anyone benefits from their race in this election, it is Clinton and McCain.  

2. Barack is half-white, which seems to be a fact that most people seem to forget.  Also, he was raised by white people (mother and grand-parents) and is from one of the whitest states in the U.S. (Hawaii).  Why is it that people only tend to focus on him as a black or African-American?  The more he tries to campaign as a democratic candidate for president, the more people want to portray him as the black democratic candidate for president. If he is half white, why can people only see him as black or African-American?  

3. He has not received 90% of the black vote in every state.  That's just false and misleading information the media is feeding you. He came close to that in MS and a couple of other southern states, but that's it.  He didn't receive 90% of the black vote in TX, OH, PA, SC, NY, CA, MO, VA, MD and the list goes on. Both of these democratic candidates receive votes from a diverse constituency.  The problem is that a lot of political pundits are used to seeing the Clintons with the black vote in their back pocket and people automatically assume black people are flocking to Obama b/c he's black.  The Clintons haven't exactly run the most inclusive campaign with regard to black people and maybe that could be the reason why a lot of her black support (which was at 90% in September 2007 - people forget that fact) has shifted.  

4. White people (and some other races as well) will not admit publicly (i.e., polls) that they will not vote for him b/c he is a person of color.  They will say things like I'm not sure he's "one of us" or is he "safe".  What they are really saying is he doesn't look like us (even though he is half white) and they are not comfortable with a person of color as a leader.  If Clinton can go around saying she would obliterate Iran but they are asking if Obama is safe is at best intellectual dishonesty and worst racial preference despite the facts.  Further, people and political pundits are trying to separate issues like race and age. In the case of a lot of old white people, they were around and more than likely were willing participants in segregation. The civil rights movement is only 45 years old and just b/c you change a law or two in 1959 and 1963 doesn't mean you change the hearts, minds and beliefs of group of people.    
UGH!  You could be blind and still not want to vote for Obama.  He is all style and no substance.  Stick a cardboard cutout up on the camera and spout "Change, Hope, Yes We Can" over and over and the worshippers would still faint.


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