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May 6: The even-steven race

Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:17 AM by Mark Murray

INDIANA: The Politico’s Martin writes that Indiana is an even-steven race between Clinton and Obama. “With a demographic landscape that’s well-suited to both Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, Indiana is shaping up to be the most consequential battleground of the remaining states… Obama and Clinton have traded the lead in Indiana polls, but there have been few reliable local surveys to date. One thing seems certain: Unlike Pennsylvania, where Clinton began with a pronounced advantage, Indiana is a state where both begin on an equal footing.”

The Wall Street Journal runs a similar piece. If it wasn't for the fact that Obama came from a neighboring state, Clinton would likely be favored to win by double-digits. But unlike Ohio and Pennsylvania, Obama starts on a more level playing field thanks to the Chicago media market bleed into Northwest Indiana.

Does Indiana shy away from change candidates? The New York Times suggests so. "With all the talk among the Democratic presidential hopefuls about change, they may wish to consider this as they wander Indiana: People here practically revolted a few years ago when their governor, Mitch Daniels, pushed to change to daylight saving time like most of the country. Change, it seems, may not carry quite the same political magic in this state as it has elsewhere.”

Remember, Indiana is a TOTALLY open primary so Republicans can vote... The Indy Star looks at the crossovers and wonders how many are coming over to support a candidate. "Some Republicans, however, may be doing it to manipulate the election, supporting the Democrat they believe will be easiest for Sen. John McCain to beat in November. Whether the mutiny is minor or truly significant won't be known until the general election, but it was hard not to run into a Republican at the Obama event in Columbus.

NORTH CAROLINA: The Los Angeles Times covers McCain's denouncement of the NC GOP ad that attacks the Dem gubernatorial candidates in that state using footage of Rev. Wright. “‘I don't know why they do it, and obviously I don't control them. But I'm making it very clear, as I have a couple of times in the past, that there's no place for that kind of campaigning -- and the American people don't want it, period,’ McCain said.”

“McCain said he had not seen the North Carolina ad, which states that Obama is too extreme and shows footage of the Illinois senator's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., shouting: ‘Not God bless America, God damn America.’ In a March speech on race, Obama condemned Wright's controversial remarks, but said the pastor was part of his life and that he could not disown him. ‘I hope that I don't see [it],’ McCain said of the ad. ‘I had enough of a description of it to know that that's the kind of campaigning that I have told the American people we're not going to do.’”

“Aides to McCain said campaign manager Rick Davis called the North Carolina Republican chairman Tuesday and left a long message urging the state party not to run the ad. The campaign also recruited North Carolina Sen. Richard M. Burr, a McCain supporter, to make the same request -- but the effort was apparently unsuccessful.”

So how much airtime will this NC GOP ad receive? "UNC-Charlotte political scientist Ted Arrington said it's telling that the ad begins with a fundraising appeal. ‘The only reasonable effect of this kind of an ad now ... is to raise money, and of course to let the party faithful know that you're alive and kicking,’ he said. Arrington doubted that the ad would sway voters, given the degrees of separation between Wright and the Democratic gubernatorial candidates. But he said it could raise money for N.C. Republicans, who are perennially strapped for cash.”

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What does it say about John McCain when he tells the NC GOP that they shouldn't run the Jeremiah Wright ad and they decide to run it anyway?

Oh, Senator McCain, that's John Hagee on line 2!
Hillary is planning Nuclear War in the middle east.
How's that for change Indiana....
Not only a protracted religious civil war in Iraq she voted for...but now massive relaitation with Nuclear Bombs on the peoples of Iran....Hillary believes a cold war like determent solution for the Iraian question...This is just madness. Putting and sounding tough is hopefully only a misspeaking problem popping up again...

Even Steven demographically, ok, but her negatives are in the toilet. Not so even 'eh?
I can understand why the people of Indiana would not want to change to daylight savings time.  I have a really hard time adjusting to the time change myself, but let's not blanket that response with all other changes.  Please let's give Indiana some respect here and trust that they will see the light and vote Obama.  
Here's a chance for Obama to show what he has left. In previous races in states like Indiana, he's always been able to pull ahead towards the end of the race and win, sometimes by huge margins. If the same doesn't happen in Indiana, you just know the Clintons are going to be all over Obama's weakness, and rightly so.
Since Indiana is a neighboring state then they should well be aware that as a state senator Obama's greatest accomplishment was voting present 130+ times  (which means he didn't do his homework or wouldn't vote one way or the other).  I remember John Edwards response when in a debate  Hillary brought up the 130+ present votes.  Edwards was floored and said so. Indiana voters whould be aware that as state senator Obama did practially nothing and spent all of 15 minutes in the US Senate before deciding to run for president.  Obama's resume is way too thin to be qualified to be president of the United States in these troubling times.

Hillary can do it and will do it.  Obama can't and won't.  
As far as the Wright ad in NC.  It just shows how afraid the GOP is of Obama.  They would much rather run against Clinton.  Isn't it obvious that republicans are saying one thing and hoping another.  Obama will have the support of democrats, independents, and many disenfranchised republicans.  Be scared, be very scared.  
I think the Democrats have to do some serious changing of the entire primary system that is in place after this cycle.  It so obviously doesn't work at all.  Plus, the fact that the states allow crossover voting permits all kinds of shenanigans and it's clear that the Republicans who have been voting for Obama in all the red states through this primary season will certainly vote for McCain in November so the red states stay red.

In this country, the failure to use a popular vote system for elections has resulted in 8 years of George Bush.   The candidates have to run their campaigns based on 'electoral' math for the general elections.  The Democratic candidates have to run their primary campaigns based on completely ridiculous and almost meaningless math for the primary elections, what with caucuses, regular primaries, and the dandy prima-caucus in Texas, and strange allotments of delegates in certain states.

Since no one wants to change the rules to accommodate the legitimate Florida vote, and to continue to disenfranchise a very large swing state who came out in huge numbers for the Democrats, all of whom were on the ballot, SO THEY ALSO MAY NOT CHANGE THE RULES ON THE SUPERDELEGATES.  

The intent of the party in having superdelegates was to prevent an unelectable candidate from getting the nomination at the convention.

The only reason Obama did as well as he did in January and February is because he made great speeches and folks didn't know certain things about who he really was -- they still don't -- but what they have found out over March and April appears to indicate that a lot of early primary voters might be voting differently today, ie, serious buyers remorse.  

This is why the superdelegates exist and they should do their job and make sure Hillary is the Democratic nominee.  Clearly the GOP is salivating at the chance to demean Obama, a pretty good guy who is just unelectable.  Hillary should be the candidate --she is so clearly indestructible -- and the superdelegates can and must do it.  

Remember folks, Obama promised he wouldn't be running for president in 2008 -- just another of the promises he has already broken in his short time in the national arena -- has he really even been a senator before he started campaigning for president?  Oh yeah, he kept voting the fund the war.   We don't need four more years of the hell the GOP has created.  ALL SUPERDELEGATES NEED TO DO THEIR JOB AND ALL COME OUT AND ENDORSE HILLARY!
The more even the race starts the more trash Silly Hillie will create.  Watch out Indiana -  the dirt's going be filling the air.  Vote Obama for the sake of the future and send the Clintons home.  
Nothing against Indiana, but its not consequential when even a huge Clinton win there wouldn't alter the nomination race much.
Really, First Read?  Equating an objection to a time change to a new candidate?  

Come on, you don't believe that....do you?
WHAT THE HECK??

I'm watching MSNBC right now - How is it even acceptable for the network to run nearly EVERY attack add that comes out against Obama - whether they are true or not and whether they make sense or not??

Chris Jansing just ran TWO attack ads on Barack Obama back to back - one of which the Republicans did not even buy air time for - why should they - you people run it for free....YOu running all of the positive ads that come out about Obama or Clinton on Youtube???!!!!!! (or for that matter ANY attack ads that come out about McCain online)come ON!!! This is NOT journalism. You should be embarrassed!
Hillary is planning Nuclear War in the middle east.
How's that for change Indiana....
Not only a protracted religious civil war in Iraq she voted for...but now massive relaitation with Nuclear Bombs on the peoples of Iran....Hillary believes a cold war like determent solution for the Iraian question...This is just madness. Putting and sounding tough is hopefully only a misspeaking problem popping up again...
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BJ in CA: You're bloviating here. Of course, EXTREME exaggeration from somebody supporting the EXTREME left candidate should be expected.
Hillary is not planning a nuclear war in the middle east. McWar would be more likely to cause that with his plan to occupy Iraq for another 100 years.
Even steven except..oh, yeah, DELEGATES!!  Not so even.  Indiana is close enough to Chicago to have heard and seen first-hand the good work Obama did for people as a community organizer there. They may actually like that kind of change.  And since no-change means more of the same war and sinking economy Hillary's Washington-insider administration would bring, they may NOT like the sameoldsameold.
I am wondering who Obama will ask to be VP... I would like to see C. Powell, and then Edwards on a special Economy board. After all, he is about bring the parties together, we might get surprised.
[[Nothing against Indiana, but its not consequential when even a huge Clinton win there wouldn't alter the nomination race much. ]]

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA


Obama cannot back into the nomination. Losing the majority of the last states to vote, and getting enough delegates only because the Dems distribute by proportion is a sure sign of weakness. How is it going to look when Obama stands up on the podium in West Virgina after losing the state by getting only 45% of the vote and those delegates he "won" put him over the top? What's the message? "We got stomped again, but now I'm the nominee!"?Obama will look like a bad joke when this happens.
"I'm watching MSNBC right now - How is it even acceptable for the network to run nearly EVERY attack add that comes out against Obama - whether they are true or not and whether they make sense or not??"

Yes, it's very nice of the networks to contribute to the McCain and Clinton campaigns with the free airtime they are given to slime Obama.  Does Obama get free airtime too, even though he is not willing to be as nasty and devisive as the others?  Hell no!  They aren't going to air an ad that doesn't say something nasty about someone.  Our media SUCKS!!!!!!!!

"Hillary can do it and will do it.  Obama can't and won't.  
Delores Rose-Kennedy (Sent Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:42 AM)"

DRK - you are the definition of delusional.

Instead of filling these blogs with your nonsense, shouldn't you be asking WHY the RNC wrote a letter last night with 30 paragraphs on why HRC is the better candidate? THE RNC, not the DNC!

Why NC GOP is running an ad that helps Billary?

BECAUSE her tactics are right out of the Bush/Rove playbook!  Do you think she's REALLY for you?

On "Countdown" last night, Keith spoke to several people who all said THE MATH IS SET - it's OVER.  Unless an asteroid falls on BO, she's DONE.

The quicker you accept this and move on, the better your sanity will be.
The N.C. GOP ad attack against Perdue and Moore that connects them with Obama and Rev. Wright that is going to aired on local stations, the ad does not reflect North Carolina values. There are several subliminal coded race messages lodged in the ad . The National Republican Party and Senator Mc Cain have asked the N.C. GOP to take down the ad. It has refused. I have asked local stations not to contribute to stirring up racial animus. I wanted to let our local media markets know how we feel, if they choose to air the advertisement. We are their viewers  Also I am have asked Senator Dole and  Senator Burr not to contribute to stirring up racial animosity. I want both of them to join Senator McCain demand that the N.C. GOP attack ads be pulled.  The Clinton campaign has been conspicuously slight on this issue.   Race is in the campaign because Senator Obama is an African American, but racist tentacles do not have to be  in grained in  this campaign.  We are better than this as a nation, as North Carolinians.
Carole in Ft. Lauderdale- Perhaps Obama forged ahead in Febuary because he had a long term plan and Clinton did not. The leaked strategy paper of the Obama campaign has been remarkably on target.
Regarding your popular vote argument: Clinton signed on for the same rules and for the same punishment of Florida and Michigan and it is only after falling behind that she thinks the constest is unfair.
Your argument that Obama is less electable than Clinton is hogwash. If you look at the exit polls from the big states that Clinton has won her core constituencies prefer Obama over McCain by substantial margins and he does much better with independents than Clinton. She will not be the nominee because :
1. she ran a disorganized campaign based on the arrogance that she would win early and easily
2. she will be behind in delegates at the end which is the determining factor for selecting the candidate
3. she will be behind in popular vote even if you include Florida
4. the risk of alienating Obama's cosntituents will be to high for the Superdelegates to chance.

So take a deep breath and enjoy the primary show that is increasing democratic voter registration and exposing the republican lines of attack in the fall.

The N.C. GOP ad attack against Perdue and Moore that connects them with Obama and Rev. Wright that is going to aired on local stations, the ad does not reflect North Carolina values. There are several subliminal coded race messages lodged in the ad . The National Republican Party and Senator Mc Cain have asked the N.C. GOP to take down the ad. It has refused. I have asked local stations not to contribute to stirring up racial animus. I wanted to let our local media markets know how we feel, if they choose to air the advertisement. We are their viewers  Also I am have asked Senator Dole and  Senator Burr not to contribute to stirring up racial animosity. I want both of them to join Senator McCain demand that the N.C. GOP attack ads be pulled.  The Clinton campaign has been conspicuously slight on this issue.   Race is in the campaign because Senator Obama is an African American, but racist tentacles do not have to be  in grained in  this campaign.  We are better than this as a nation, as North Carolinians.
Delores-Rose Kennedy get a fryking life.  That hate spewing old bag did/does NOTHING for New York.  She is a vapid self-absorbed old bat who want a NUCLEAR war.  Take your Irish-Catholic racisim and stuff it.  Remember in the 1800's it said NO DOGS OR IRISH, COLORED ENTRANCE IN THE REAR.  They could at least go in.  Your people and dogs are on equal footing.  Oh yeah, I'm 1/2 Irish.  Get real/get over it.  
It dosen't matter because all of the mainstream and cable news media have already been running the ad every 15 minutes.
Indiana, when all is said and done, will be a a win for Hillary, maybe not as large as Pennsylvania, but a nice win. The demographics do not favor Obama, the racial make up is only 8%, its rural and blue collar working class and a large faith vote. Outside of Gary, the state is more like Pennsylvania and Kentucky. Wrightgate and bittergate and liberal leftgate will come into play in the state. North Carolina is another story and could be a blow out for Obama. The racial makeup here is 21% and I know people don't like to talk about it, but if he was not getting those 90% box car numbers, he would not even be in the race today. Plus N.C. is not like S.C. as it is a more diverse state. If she can keep it under 10 points it will a victory, of sorts.
The infatuation is fading a little and people are giving Obama a sober second look. What they are seeing is a charismatic man who says wonderful things, and that is something they have seen before.
Ms. Rose-Kennedy:

Either you're willingly misleading people or you're ignorant of the fact that many of those present votes were made at the request of Planned Parenthood and other "choice" organizations in defense of abortion.  Since it's so sacred to Democrats that this policy remain legal (even w/ the advent of the day after pill,) you should be applauding the man.

Carole in FL- First of all, Go Gators!  Secondly, you're right- nobody should change the rules.  Let the superdels take it from Obama if they dare.  As you suggest it's their job.  But as you also suggest, Mich & Fla. cannot county either.  I'm an Obama supporter and I want all the rules followed.  I'd love to see revotes in those states because they'd get him closer to 2025 even if he lost.  All the "blue-collar" Dems who'd vote for McCain against their professed economic interest if Obama's the nominee because of race or because they think Hill's dirtiness is an asset will deserve whatever horrible foreign policy & economic consequence befall them.  

Dems are in a pickle either way now, but I think they should go w/ the guy who brings in the new people and find a white person like Jim Webb or Sebelius of Kansas to run w/ him to appease the masses.  If it's Hill she's p'd off so many in my community that she'd have to pick someone like a Harold Ford as VP to get the numbers she'll need to win in the general.
MSNBC (and probably others, but I'm not watching them ... yet) plays right into the hands of the Clinton and Republican camps.  All they have to do is announce they are running a negative ad against Obama, and the progams begin running the ads over and over ... for free!  If they insist this is news which must be reported, then report it, but it's inappropriate to actually give the ad itself airtime.
Until a year ago I lived in Indiana and met many of the heavy hitters in state politics, so I think I can expand on the nature of Indianapolis voters.  First, it wasn't just DST (which a lot of people supported) that made Bart Peterson lose.  Bart aggressively pushed change in many ways.  He sought to eradicate homelessness, a plan that I think made a lot of middle class folks who thought they had elected a businessman type uncomfortable.  For those who don't know, Indianapolis is co-extensive with Marion County, and that meant for a long time there was a lot of duplication between city and county agencies.  Peterson sought consolidation, which may have been sound policy, but was hugely unpopular with police, firemen, a number of political activists and unions generally.  The city also ran into problems with major construction projects, including building a new football stadium and central library, and had to be bailed out by the state (or at least that's how it was spun) on the former.  The biggest thing, though, was property taxes.  Over a decade ago, Indiana's property tax system was declared unconstitutional because it basically undertaxed many large homes. Every time the state writes a new plan, though, counties and cities create irresponsible loopholes once people start screaming about taxes going up, basically undercutting any value of the reform.  Peterson's opponent, like most Republicans, promised significant property tax relief and Peterson didn't.  That galvanized property owners all over the city against him.  This has been a key thing that Republicans have run on in Indiana for
a decade now, and it still works.

So basically, a white mayor upset his white constituents by being too liberal and expecting them to fund change that they saw as not directly benefiting them.  Those same people say they hate the do-nothings in Congress, but elect the same people over and over.  So, basically, they are like everyone else.
If Hillary expects us to believe she is "ready on day one", then I ask you, "how come she wasn't ready when Obama upset and overtook her so early?"  Sounds like her campaign wasn't ready on day one!

Do we really want her in the WH? "Planning" our future as a country, like she planned her campaign?
Really, First Read?  Equating an objection to a time change to a new candidate?  

Come on, you don't believe that....do you?

Of course they don't - but it was the 1st thing they googled.  Give them a break: equating time changes to presidential changes is sooooo much easier to do...just like this is:

WHAT THE HECK??

I'm watching MSNBC right now - How is it even acceptable for the network to run nearly EVERY attack add that comes out against Obama - whether they are true or not and whether they make sense or not??

Chris Jansing just ran TWO attack ads on Barack Obama back to back


They ran them because that's all they have.  They bestow the gift of air time to whomever bestows upon them.  DO NOT CONFUSE THIS WITH NEWS/REPORTING.

They read, say and play WHATEVER they're given.  It's all very, very simple and very, very mindless.

Want it to stop??  Give them SOME OTHER stuff to say and play.  

You have to quit expecting so much from them.  They can only cover one spoon fed story at a time.



No fair play in America....Lets protect our own at any cost.   That's the American way...injustice continues. Bias objectives rule..."we don't want a black man in office. Even, if the majority of the American people want him.  That's the attitude we get from the media...they will do nothing to help Barrack and everything to help Hillary or John.  How do we make this country better for all?  When, so many people are afraid of the only person that can make this country Great Again.  WE know deep down in our hearts and minds that Barack Obama is genuine...He speak from the heart and we also know that if he was white.....he would be the Democratic nominee by now.  But, we need more time to give Hillary more excuses to explain why she is electable and more time to blast Barack and explain why he is not.   WE all know the game and see what is happening.  PLEASE...I sweat and bleed for this country so that it could continue to be great and to keep us free...When do we start acting like it.....Can we just have a campaign and let the contenders do their thing without any help from the "media" and their commentators.   I pray ....We just want fairness. Let the American people make decide on their own; don't be a sway belt for any candidate...just report the news...I thought that was what the media was suppose to do... I love America but you guys continue to shame us. The World is watching.
"People here practically revolted a few years ago when their governor, Mitch Daniels, pushed to change to daylight saving time like most of the country."

The problem was not daylight savings time, but which time zone is Indiana in.  The Gov. Daniels non-solution greatly increased that problem - for example where I live; the school district is split between two time zones, the athletic conference is split, work is conducted in two zones.  It was the worst of all solutions.

Then there was the selling (for 75 years) of the Indiana toll road (I-80) to a Spanish-Australian company for trinkets - just to balance the state budget. No road improvements can take place on other free roads.

We don't like crazy decisions - this from a governor out of the President mold.

I am just one of those bitter and anger people out there.  But I will not vote my religion or 2nd amendment rights.  I will vote my head and pocket book.
I am a Louisiana Independent voter who has staunchly supported Obama from Day One ( Ugh, I sound like someone else there!) I used to live in Indiana and I believe that Obama has a real shot there if he campaigns hard. Most of the people I knew there were progressive and open-minded. Come on, NC, do NOT be swayed by those ads. I wonder if  the Billary Machine is  the culprit responsible behind that Rev Wright ad because who does it help more, Billary or McCain? Hmmmm!!!! Also, think about this.  McCain denounced the ad, but Billary has been mysteriously mum!  
I don't know if Obama will win Indiana, but I just hope he does not get shut out again, like he did in Michigan.  How embarrassing!  Not a single vote in a big state like that.  If the same thing happens in Indiana, I will seriously have to reconsider my support for him.

Oh, wait, Obama is on the ballot in Indiana.  Never mind.

This just in from the camp of Monica Lewinsky's boyfriends wife:  if you add up the popular vote totals only in the states she won, she is way ahead of Obama in the popular vote!  I'm impressed!

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
Obama supporters and others:

YOU CAN'T HELP BUT BE AMAZED AT THIS MAN'S PROGRESS, HIS CLASS, AND CIVILITY.  AS THE PA EXIT POLLS SHOW, HE MAY COME INTO EACH PRIMARY AT A 15% DEFICIT BECAUSE OF HIS SUPPOSED ETHNICITY/RACE.  

INCREDIBLE....HOW HISTORICAL...
Since Indiana is a neighboring state then they should well be aware that as a state senator Obama's greatest accomplishment was voting present 130+ times  (which means he didn't do his homework or wouldn't vote one way or the other).  I remember John Edwards response when in a debate  Hillary brought up the 130+ present votes.  Edwards was floored and said so. Indiana voters whould be aware that as state senator Obama did practially nothing and spent all of 15 minutes in the US Senate before deciding to run for president.  Obama's resume is way too thin to be qualified to be president of the United States in these troubling times.

Hillary can do it and will do it.  Obama can't and won't.  
Enough of your "fuzzy math," Hillary.

Get thee to a nunnery!
I, too, wonder why msnbc chose to run the scurrilous, racist and generally discusting ad the NC GOP is saying it will run.  What if they buckle under pressure and DON'T show it?  Why, that's ok, because millions of people waw it on Moron Joe on msnbc!
I am a dem, I read these post and I get very discouraged at what I read on a daily basis.  I do post but has never been posted. I am an Obama supporter, and I agree that the media is much harder on Obama than Hillary. I also noticed that the cable shows that want to beat up on Obama get the republicans as guest to speak in place of the Dem party. We all as Dems have to answer a few of questions of ourselves:
1. Do we really want another republican in office after what we went through the last 8 years? We wouldn't be hurting anyone but ourselves if we vote for McCain.
2. If Hillary was given the nomination over the probable(Obama) What will that tell us as Dems? That our votes mean nothing? That the supers are the only ones that have the mental compassity to choose the candidate?
3. Why do the republicans want Hillary as the candidate? Is it because she would be easier to beat?
Do they know something that we dont?
As a friend of McCains, he may have the inside scoop.
My point is, This is exactly what the republicans want. Division between us because their candidate is so weak. Just remember that, in the long run WE CAN"T AFFORD ANOTHER REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE AFTER WHAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH. If Obama is the nominee he is our nominee, a DEM, he would be better than any republican any day.
The only thing that could be funnier than watching this race between Obama and Billary would be to have all Liberals move to one part of the country and try to build their Utopian Society. No armed guards or gated communities. Live in the world you create like the rest of have to. Stop blaming America for democrat's racist and sexist attitudes.
I think that Mr McCain is a very tackful man.
Who has alot of support with his party.He wants to appear to be above the negative campaining when he is for anything his party does because Senator Obama will defeat Hillray and her husband in NC and The gop party would much rather run against hilray who might as well change parties now because she's doing their work for them.The Senator from Ill will be the victor at the end of the day.
Obamabots are vicious i.e Brenda Louise G. of Cherry Hill.  Obama can't and won't.  Read his books and the anti-My Mother's race statements.  Disturbing.

I wonder who his backers are and what they have been promised.

Obama can talk it.  Can he walk it??????

Read his books.  
Indiana is another example of a place where Obama is doing well but the demographics favor Clinton.  Indiana is more white than PA but also younger.  North Carolina is the more interesting race because if Clinton has any momentum she needs to show it by making it closer than anyone expects.  Clinton has yet to give us anything unexpected.  Clinton can't win without Indiana, North Carolina and pretty much all the states to follow.
Clinstones, dream that Obama supporters will vote for the witch if she steals the nomination, dream away!!

Also remember she has not won a state coming from behind
I admired and respect former president clinton and people of color had rename him the first black president.Now that might be a reality.Mr Prez true side is coming out even through he has an office in harlem. Senator Obama is a man of integrity and can withstand anything that the clintons slime machine will toss on him.This time we are supporting our canidate for this historical change.
Re: Way too smart to be sucked in by OBAMA!!!

"Read his books and the anti-My Mother's race statements."

It says a whole lot more about you then him, if thats what you got out of his books...  I find people like you disturbing...
For those people who are buying into Senator Clinton's demands that Senator Obama should have abandoned his church over Reverend Wright's comments, I have this argument to give:

http://looniewolf.livejournal.com/12393.html

In short, I say that a church is more than its minister. It is a community. To turn your back on your church is to shun your neighbors and your community. This is wrong.

Obama has shown considerable loyalty to community. This loyalty will continue if he becomes President... with his community growing to be the entire country.
It's clear that HC is the only candidate that knows what she is doing and knows how to handle pressure. Mark these words: *she will win NC*.

By the way, Obama supporters should be more concerned with the democratic party getting the white house. Not just Obama.


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