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The delegate fight: The push for supers

Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:20 AM by Mark Murray

The Wall Street Journal reports on the Clinton campaign's effort to convince undecided members of Congress that this isn't over. "The Clinton campaign was trying to overturn the sense of Sen. Obama's inevitability. Fifteen Democratic members of Congress assembled at Sen. Clinton's northern Virginia headquarters early Wednesday to strategize with staffers about courting the several hundred uncommitted superdelegates. One adviser said Tennessee Rep. John Tanner, a leader among House Democratic conservatives, had called last week. ‘He said, “If she wins Pennsylvania, I'm with you.”’ Later in the day, Sen. Clinton's campaign announced Rep. Tanner's endorsement.

“The Clinton campaign is renewing its fight to claim disputed votes from Florida and Michigan primaries, but that may anger the very superdelegates the campaign needs."

The LA Times: "Clinton's Pennsylvania win has bought her time -- but not much -- to make her case to the Democratic Party's superdelegates, many of whom expressed a strong desire Wednesday to end the nominating contest once the final votes are cast. Though few seem eager to use their power to call a halt to the presidential race -- and many said they welcomed the continued balloting -- a number of party leaders and other activists sent a clear signal that they want the fight over well before the Democratic convention in August.”

The paper interviewed a bunch of uncommitted supers for this story. This comment from the Idaho Dem Chair sums things up pretty well: “I'm not buying the Clinton argument that Sen. Obama is unelectable, but I certainly intend to continue to watch his performance to make my own determination of just how strong a candidate he will be," said R. Keith Roark, chairman of the Idaho Democratic Party.

The New York Post reports, “Trying to capitalize on her Pennsylvania victory, Hillary Rodham Clinton moved quickly to win over superdelegates yesterday by dispatching a top adviser to Congress armed with special, national electoral maps highlighting her advantages over Barack Obama. Clinton's campaign also insisted that she's now the leader in the overall Democratic popular vote.”
 
“Clinton adviser Harold Ickes, who is in charge of superdelegates for the campaign, arrived at the meeting with a group of congressional supporters and superdelegates armed with two pages of maps titled, ‘Obama's Red State Myth.’ It showed the states Obama has won and the states Clinton has won, giving her victories in battlegrounds with more Electoral College votes - 284 to his 202. That includes her controversial wins in Florida and Michigan.” The Obama camp said, “The latest Clinton spin is as contorted as their path to the nomination.”

The New York Times looks at the electability argument the two campaigns are making and seems to find validity in both. "Clinton says her popularity among blue-collar workers, women and Hispanics makes her the candidate to beat Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, in the swing states that decide presidential races. Along with Ohio and Pennsylvania, she also cites her success in Michigan and Florida — even though the Democratic Party disqualified those contests, and Mr. Obama was not on the Michigan ballot — to claim an edge in crucial battlegrounds.”

Yet for all of her primary night celebrations in the populous states, exit polling and independent political analysts offer evidence that Mr. Obama could do just as well as Mrs. Clinton among blocs of voters with whom he now runs behind. Obama advisers say he also appears well-positioned to win swing states and believe he would have a strong shot at winning traditional Republican states like Virginia."

NBC/WSJ Dem pollster Peter Hart puts it well: “Hillary goes deeper and stronger in the Democratic base than Obama, but her challenge is that she doesn’t go as wide,” Mr. Hart said. “Obama goes much further reaching into the independent and Republican vote, and has a greater chance of creating a new electoral map for the Democrats.”

The Washington Post talks to party leaders and finds them resigned to the primary season going through June 3, but optimistic they'll rally quickly after that. "Tuesday's results, while not unexpected, set off another intraparty debate over the state of the race. Strategist Tad Devine, who played top roles in the past two Democratic presidential campaigns, called Clinton's Pennsylvania victory ‘impressive’ and added, ‘I never thought it was over, but now I think she has more of a chance than she did two weeks ago.’”

“Rep. Artur Davis (Ala.), an Obama supporter, echoed the Obama campaign's analysis of the impact of Pennsylvania. ‘I don't think the race has fundamentally changed,’ he said. ‘He still has a notable lead in delegates, the popular vote, national polling and the money race.’” 

The AP’s Pickler writes, “There are a couple other problems for Clinton in claiming the lead in the popular vote. Even using her criteria of counting Michigan and Florida, her lead may not last more than two weeks. That's because Obama is heavily favored to win the largest state left to vote, North Carolina, on May 6. Obama also is likely to win South Dakota and Oregon. Even if Clinton won all the other contests left -- Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, Montana, Puerto Rico and Guam -- they are smaller contests that will make it difficult for her to catch back up.” 
 
The AP: “A top supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton has filed a challenge with the Democratic National Committee to try to seat Michigan's pledged delegates -- most of them likely to support the New York senator -- at the national convention in Denver. Under DNC member Joel Ferguson's proposal, Michigan would send its 28 unpledged superdelegates and 128 pledged delegates to Denver despite being stripped of delegates for holding its primary too early. Florida was similarly punished for its early primary. Ferguson said it would be fair punishment to give each pledged delegate only half a vote for breaking DNC rules. He said superdelegates -- of which he is one -- should get a full vote.”

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If you lie loud enough- people start to believ it.  I think this is what the clintons are trying to do.  Michigan and Florida were agreed upon prior to the primaries.  It is completely unfair to try to change this midgame.  What would the clintons say if the tables were turned and Obama tried to include FL and MI to take the lead?  The clintons were probably the most investigated administration in history- remember Ken Starr?  Americans spent millions.  This would happen again w/ hillary as president.  Republicans will be united and nothing will get done.  Polls show 90% of republicans will vote for McCain if the nominee is Hillary.  She cannot win without some republicans and independents.  Obama can do this.  I want a new washington with a vision on unity and working together.  Forget the partisan politics of the last 15+ years.  Obama is the way to change.
Enough of your "fuzzy math," Hillary.

Get thee to a nunnery!
Hillary knows she can't win.  The only reason she's staying in this race is to destroy Obama.  This way McCain wins and she gets to run again in 2012.  It's the ultimate act of selfishness on her part.  It is incredible to me when i think of how i viewed the Clintons 2 years ago vs. how i view the Clinton's today.  

There was a time when Bill Clinton was literally my idol and i thought Hillary was a good Senator.  This campaign has really opened my eyes.  
Reality check for Clinton supporters:
The superdelegates would be very foolish to unfairly steal the nomination for Hillary. It won't happen for a very simple reason. The reason can be found in the level of grassroots financial support Obama has received. Obama has received an unprecedented amount of financial backing from grassroots America. This is what scares Republicans the most. Not the amount of money; Romney could probably match that through his own fortune. No, it is what this money represents, and the diverse sources it comes from. This widespread level of support cannot be duplicated by any candidate in this campaign.
Despite all of the histrionic rantings by Clinton and her supporters, the fact remains that outside of her special interest lobbyists and fat cats, she can't keep her campaign in the black. She does not have widespread support financially. She purchases her continued candidacy by selling her support to nefarious interests like Colombia, China, UAE, and Dubai; using the money for divisive mean spirited fear mongering gutter politics. Unfortunately, she never pays her bills; not even for health care for her OWN campaign workers.
Faced with her lack of integrity, lack of honesty, inability to manage her own campaign and her race-baiting husband (not to mention her greater than 50% negatives), how can anyone in their right mind support such a flawed candidate? Her lack of financial support throughout only validates the American voters disdain for her campaign. Like her campaign, her ideas and politics are totally bankrupt.
Any superdelegate that votes for her in the face of so much vitriol and ineptitude deserves not only to lose the Presidency but their own individual election as well.
Obama too a fighter
Regarding Hillary's positioning as a fighter, please remember that as a woman, this positioning helps offset the stereotype that a woman would not be strong enough to be president.  My compliments to her as I believe that except for a small minority of voters no one would consider this to be one of her weaknesses.
Obama, on the other hand has very different stereotypes to deal with.  As a man (let alone a black man) he is still expected to be gracious to a woman.  He also runs against the belief (especially with women over 55) that once again, a man is jumping over a qualified woman and taking a job that otherwise would have been hers.  Thankfully Barack has already won the contest by any reasonable measure so he should not have to “fight” or “punch” back as so many of the pundints and even his supporters have called for.
This will not be an issue when Barack runs against John McCain and I believe strongly that when the race for the democratic nomination is finally over, John McCain will not know what hit him.
Howard Dean should have come out strongly the first time  the Clinton campaign raised this nonsense and said, the rules were clear, the penalty for breaking those rules was clear, but the elected leaders in MI and FL knowing full well the consequences chose to flaunt the rules. All democratic candidates at the time the penalty was imposed agreed not to campaign in these states and agreed that the results would not count. We will not revisit the penalty and the delegations will not be seated. Any MI or FL resident who has a problem with that should take it up with their local leaders. Had he done that, we would not continue to hear these same inane arguments from a campaign so convinced that Senator Clinton's coronation was inevitable that it had no plan to win after Super Tuesday.

The fact that Dean has been spineless on this "issue" typifies the weakness that causes Republicans to laugh at the Democratic Party.
Mr. Todd, Please address the continued playing of the  attack ads. I watched my usual 5 to 7 shows last pm and finally turned on Top Chef reruns.


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