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First thoughts: All about North Carolina?

Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:22 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** All about North Carolina? So which May 6 state is more important to Clinton -- Indiana or North Carolina? Sure, many in the media (and in the Clinton campaign) are pointing to Indiana, because the race is likely to be very close. But isn't North Carolina the opportunity for Clinton to either prove or disprove momentum? The state isn't just a pothole for Clinton in her comeback bid, it's a potential sinkhole. It's a big state, not some small red state. And the gains Clinton made in the popular vote, thanks to Pennsylvania, could be wiped away completely in the Tar Heel State. And because the popular vote is now the most important measuring stick to the Clinton campaign, they have to figure out a way to either pull the upset or make the Obama victory margin so close that it will serve as a wakeup call to the superdelegates. It's been said a bunch of times, but we'll say it again: Obama can't seem to convince Clinton to get out until he beats her in a place that demographically favors her, and she can't convince superdelegates that he's really unelectable unless she beats him in a place that demographically favors him. And since the burden still remains with Clinton to catch up, it may mean North Carolina is actually more make-or-break than Indiana.

VIDEO: NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd discusses the importance of North Carolina to Hillary Clinton and the different ways to calculate the popular vote in the Democratic race.

*** I’ve got friends in high places: After 45 contests, this pattern has emerged in the Clinton-Obama race: The person who has received the best political endorsements in a state has ended up winning that contest. Ed Rendell and Michael Nutter were HUGE for Clinton in Pennsylvania, especially in keeping down Obama’s margins in Philly. So was Ted Strickland for Clinton in Ohio. Meanwhile, Obama got big help from Claire McCaskill in Missouri and Tim Kaine in Virginia. There are a few exceptions, of course -- Clinton lost Maryland (where she had the support from Gov. Martin O’Malley and Sen. Barbara Mikulski), and Obama lost Massachusetts (Ted Kennedy and Deval Patrick) and Arizona (Janet Napolitano). But that’s about it. What does this tell us for the upcoming May 6 contests? It looks like Clinton might have the advantage with supporters like Evan Bayh and former Gov. Joe Kernan, as well as the chairman of the state party. And Obama seems to have the clear advantage in North Carolina, where almost every notable state politico who has endorsed is backing him.

*** In search of a validator: Speaking of endorsements, it seems that Clinton is in need of a endorsement from a top Democrat as evidence that the tide -- as she and her campaign are arguing -- is really turning. She needs the equivalent of what Ted Kennedy and the Kennedy clan did for Obama after South Carolina. Who’s potentially out there? Al Gore. John Edwards. Nancy Pelosi. Jim Webb. Even someone like Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer or Elizabeth Edwards. Murtha was a good get for Clinton a few weeks ago, and now she needs someone else to jump aboard the Clinton Express to suggest to superdelegates and the press that the momentum is on her side. For now, the only "progress" Clinton's made with her recent success is simply slowing the superdelegate trickle to Obama's side. She needs to show the public and the supers that others actually believe she can win -- not just survive until the end of the primary calendar.

*** That front-loaded calendar: Here's a thought that hasn't gotten much play, but might be the single biggest reason why Obama has clinched yet: The frontloading gave Clinton an early safety net. How much better would Obama have performed in many of those Super Tuesday states had the contests been held later? Writes the LA Times’ Skelton: “Californians can be thankful the state held its presidential primary on the earliest day legally possible. And Hillary Rodham Clinton should be especially grateful. Clinton probably wouldn't even be in the race today if California had not rescued her candidacy way back on Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, by delivering a timely victory that helped keep her afloat. The Pennsylvania primary Tuesday likely would have been irrelevant." This is a moot point now -- the calendar is the calendar. But it's a reminder of just how important Feb. 5 was to Clinton and how damaging it was to her when she couldn't clinch it by then. For now, this is simply something for historians to ponder.

*** A Big Easy? McCain’s tour today takes him to New Orleans, where he will make a stop in the Ninth Ward and hold a media avail there. Afterwards, he holds a town hall in the city and then heads to Baton Rouge, where he will raise money and attend a business banquet. As much as Iraq has hurt President Bush’s poll numbers and the GOP’s brand, Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath broke their backs and helped contribute the Democrats’ midterm election sweep. Can McCain’s visit there begin to repair the political damage? Meanwhile, the Louisiana Democratic Party will be holding a news conference in New Orleans, where they will argue that McCain voted against measures to boost reconstruction aid and also remind reporters that McCain endorser John Hagee said that Katrina was God’s punishment to New Orleans sinners. 
 
*** Numbers, numbers, numbers: Obama picked up two superdelegates to Clinton’s one yesterday, bringing Clinton’s advantage to 263-239. A new addition: the uncommitteds. There are 293 superdelegates still to be had (230 of those are named; there are 63 vacancies/add-ons.) Obama leads by 133 delegates overall: 1,729-1,596. He also leads by 157 in the pledged count: 1,490-1,333. The Pennsylvania pledged count (as of 6:15 pm Wednesday) was Clinton 82-73, with three delegates still to be allocated.

*** On the trail: Elsewhere, Clinton campaigns in North Carolina, hitting Jacksonville, Fayetteville, and Asheville; Obama is down in Chicago; and Chelsea Clinton stumps in Indiana.

Countdown to North Carolina, Indiana: 12 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 194 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 271 days
 
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HILLARYS DOING VERY GOOD RIGHT NOW AND NO MATTER WHAT ANY ONE SAYS SHE HAS JUST A GOOD A CHANCE AS OBAMA HAS TO BE THE NOMINEE  SHE MAY STILL COME OUT AHEAD IN THE END IF SHE CAN WIN THE REST OF THE STATES  COME ON Elizabeth Edwards GIVE HER YOUR SUPPORT AND JOHNS AND EVERONES WHO WANT THIS COUNTRY TO PROSPER AGAIN LIKE WHEN BILL WAS PRESIDENT GO HILLARY "
debra1953 ga (Sent Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:45 AM)

Elizabeth Edwards couldn't help John Edwards,so HOW will her endorcement help Hillary? Hillary does not have a chance of winning the nominee,IF we play by the rules. And to think she will win ALL the remaining contest is ludercris!!! She won't.
Only the states that Hillary has a good chance in are relevant.  NC isn't one of them Chuck.
Didn't you take the new math course that's all the rage these days?  It's called Clinton.  If she gets her hands on the Educational System in the US the new courses will be Algebra, Calculus, and Clinton.

I just love how she figures the popular vote.  

I can not believe that her supporters believe anything that comes out of this womans mouth.  
What a shame.
Barack, and Axelrod are geniuses. His campaign headed straight for NC, and Indiana, while Hillary went to Pa., a state she already had in the bag, instead of thinking 3, or 4 moves ahead on the chess board, like the Obama campaign did. Obama took some heat for it in Pa., but Axelrod knew exactly how much he could  expect to close the gap in Pa., and exactly how long it would take him to accomplish that.

So while Hillary did'nt even mark time in Pa., having lost 16 of her 26 point lead, Obama shored up a huge lead in NC, and is running even with her in Indiana. Once again, Obama has kept Hillary out of breath, 'er money, and falling farther behind.

I did'nt understand the strategy at the time, but see it now. Team Clinton got out manuvered once agian.
Wait a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill Clinton just said that Guams' caucus matters.  
OMG these people are absolutely pathetic.  
I thought the latest was the popular vote.  
My goodness what have we come to people.
It's true, the media is always saying how Obama need to win in states that he is not favored to win, but no one is chanting the mantra of Clinton needing to win a state she deems unworthy or unimportant.  Just another example of Hillary spin.  It would be pleasant to see a bit of pressure applied to her about winning in a state where she is down in the poles.
People need to wake up and realize this race is over.  So Indiana and North Carolina, you can vote for someone who has already lost or you can vote for Obama who already has won this race.   I keep hearing there is a race for popular vote.  If there is a race for popular vote, how do you count caucus states (i.e Alaska, Washington State, etc.) where there are no true popular numbers ?  So to me the popular vote rhetoric cannot be used by the super delegates in deciding this race.  Truly superdelegates should take a look at the delegate counts.  Both candidates will beat John McCain, so electability shouldn't be an issue.  Infact on the issue of electability,  the Republicans appear to prefer to run against Hillary, than Obama.  

Bottom line, the Democratic Party has it's Presidential Candidate.  It is Obama.  He has won the most pledged delegates, he has won the most states, and given the fact that there is no true way of deciphering popular vote received by some of the caucus states it is unusable.   Regardless of the outcome of North Carolina and Indiana,  Obama has already won the Democratic primary for 2008.   The sooner people realize this, the sooner the party can mend and we move forward against the Republicans.  To vote for Hillary is like the Republicans still voting for Huckabee...   It means nothing..
My NC vote goes to Obama!
The N.C. GOP ad attack against Perdue and Moore that connects them with Obama and Rev. Wright that is going to aired on local stations, the ad does not reflect North Carolina values. There are several subliminal coded race messages lodged in the ad . The National Republican Party and Senator Mc Cain have asked the N.C. GOP to take down the ad. It has refused. I have asked local stations not to contribute to stirring up racial animus. I wanted to let our local media markets know how we feel, if they choose to air the advertisement. We are their viewers  Also I am have asked Senator Dole and  Senator Burr not to contribute to stirring up racial animosity. I want both of them to join Senator McCain demand that the N.C. GOP attack ads be pulled.  The Clinton campaign has been conspicuously slight on this issue.   Race is in the campaign because Senator Obama is an African American, but racist tentacles do not have to be  in grained in  this campaign.  We are better than this as a nation, as North Carolinians.
Obama will win North Carolina easily, not that it matters.  North Carolina does not count.  He will probably also win Indiana, although that state doesn't count either.  Unless Hillary wins it, in which case it does count.

As an Obama supporter, I am embarrassed by his performance in Michigan.  He did not get a single vote there!  This has to be the first time in history that a presidential candidate was shut out in a state.  Even the Libertarian candidates gets a couple of hundred votes in every state.  What happened?

Oh, I remember now, his name was not on the ballot.  If I was Hillary, I would demand that the popular vote in Michigan be counted, and that Obama get a zero for that state.  I would also demand that the popular vote in caucus only states be ignored, since Obama did well there.

Let's make it simple.  Let's follow the rules when they benefit Hillary and ignore them when they don't.

Or did she beat me to those ideas?

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.  Just ask their creditors.
jerry - nice try in revising the Katrina saga -but, it was your Texas hero, el presidente George W Bush, who neglected to manage the problem or set foot in the city like most "compassionate conservatives" would have; it was W who appointed and lauded the work of that idiot horse show organizer in charge of FEMA, and it goes on and on. The conservatives have screwed things up so bad - and we don't even know how bad yet, because they are doing everything a fiscal conservative would not do to keep the economy afloat until after the election. Then all hell will break loose. Thanks but no thanks to conservative "thought" as your other hero Rush likes to call it.


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