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Exit poll madness

Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:05 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray
By now, you've probably heard it a 100 times. Obama has a problem with working-class voters. Clinton fares poorly among African Americans -- younger Democrats, too. And these disadvantages will be big problems for either candidate, if they become the nominee.

Indeed, after 45 Democratic contests, a familiar pattern has emerged from exit polls: Clinton performs well among women, seniors, and low-income whites; Obama wins blacks, higher-income folks, young people, and independents. And pundits, campaign operatives, and superdelegates are now poring over these numbers as if they are a political crystal ball that will tell us the future about the general election.

But has this analysis gotten a bit out of hand? Consider what the exit polls told us about McCain. In South Carolina, Huckabee beat him by wide margins among weekly church-goers and born-again Christians, and Huck even beat him among those without college degrees. In Virginia -- even after McCain became the presumptive GOP nominee -- the Arizona senator once again lost decisively among weekly church-goers, evangelicals, and those without college degrees, and he also lost among those making less than $100,000. What's more, in this week's Pennsylvania GOP contest, more than a quarter of the vote went to Huckabee and Paul, not McCain.

While McCain is unlikely to do as well among evangelicals as Bush did, does anyone think that his performance with this group is a big general-election problem for him? Probably not. Is he doomed among voters without college degrees? Unlikely. Will he be unable to get a quarter of the GOP vote in November? Forget about it.

No doubt that exit polls are useful at analyzing particular races. Without them, we wouldn't have known how well Clinton performed in Pennsylvania among white women and the suburbs, which were important keys to her win.

But extrapolating their findings to tell us something about another election -- with different candidates and different voters -- is a dubious exercise. 

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The media needs to shut up and let the process work without their help. It is them that are making this process ugly.
Nice work . . . this country could use more non-spun, non-hysterical reporting like this

Thanks!!!
The difference is that Huckabee and McCain kept their campaign respectful, ALL Republicans value military service, and all Republicans value McCain at least for his service and experience in the Senate.  He was able to unite the party around their shared plaform of the War in Iraq based on their respect for him in this area, if not his faith.

A lot of Hillary supporters don't respect Barack, and a lot of Barack supporters don't respect Hillary.  Without universal respect, I DO think unification becomes a much greater challenge.
hey j fl. . .

what if lincoln, the other junior senator from illinois had 'waited his turn'???

disaster, that's what.
J in FL,

Where in the world do you get the Facts that Clinton runs even with Obama in the independant crowd. That is a blatent lie.

The statement from the cable media and print publications that are stating that the exit polls from Pennsylvania state the Barrack Obama has as good of a chance as Hillary Clinton to defeat John McCain in the Fall is false.  Hillary has much more loyal voters. The exit polls in Pennsylvania State that 83% of Obama voters will vote for Clinton in the Fall election if she was the nominee. However, only 57% of Clinton voters stated they would vote for Obama in the fall. What's not clear with this picture? If the Republican nominee was the typical nominee I would agree that Democrats would come home in the Fall. John McCain is not a typical Republican. He is a candidate with a lot of crossover appeal. He can grab his share of the so called Reagan Democrats and blue collar workers. Obama has a much less chance of retaining these voters. Even the media and papers are trying to spin this in Obama's favor, which is not their job. Leave that up to the campaigns and give us the objective news, PLEASE!
Question is, why has it taken two months to state this reality that people have been posting below your "reports" on a daily basis.  I know EVERY person reading the THREE of you, can't be the only ones capable of critical reasoning.

I do appreciate that the fact was finally written thought.

http://infogiant.wordpress.com/
You can slice and dice all you want the fact remains at the start of the contest if was about elected delegates and it still is. The supers will not over turn the elected delegates at the convetion. Simple truth is Obama has won he has the most delegates and the supers are not going to override that no matter how much the Clinton supports want them to. Florida and Michigan will be seated but the undecided in Michigan will be awarded to Obama. Edwards people will move that way too on John's request, cause he really want that A.G. spot. So spin all you want this spiders web is already done, the Political Pondifs are just tring to drag it out cause it is now their full employment act of 2008. By the way look for Obama to pick a nice solid white vice presidental candidate like Biden or Webb to help with the middle class white male vote. Democratic party memebers that are female might not be happy but still I can not see them moving to McCain and stacking the supreme court even more against Roe vs Wade during the next 4 yrs.
"Obama is not and will never be ready to be president of the USA.
patty,sd,ca (Sent Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:15 PM)"

BACK THIS UP WITH SOME PROOF or SHUT UP!
THANK you. FINALLY, we get the OTHER side of the argument.
McCain will surely get the Depends wearing vote!
PAt Huntington NY


Voting for McCain are you PAt?
Hillary's margin of victory in PA. is 9.3 and rounded correctly it goes down to 9 she did not win by double digits.

Natalie,

Unfortunately your analysis is not true. I am a true blue democrat that would vote for Hilary Clinton if she wins the popular vote. While those were not the metrics agreed upon on the beginning (pledged delagates were) I believe that winning the popular vote (really winning not just Hilary saying that) is a good enough metric for me to give her my luckwarm support. However if she somehow convinces superdelagates to overturn Obama's popular vote and delagate lead, not only would I not vote for Hilary Clinton I would no longer consider the democratic party as the party of fairness and values, and will switch my registration to independent. If I'm saying that as a white liberal democrat, I think you can imagine the response from African-Americans and young first time voters.
I suppose ther eis soe merit to the ongoing "popular wisdom" that Clinton does better with those particular demographics.... but don't the exit polls also show us that, compared to the OH results, she lost ground almost across the board in terms of overall support (except one notable Obama "base", where she actually gained a tad)....

Incomplete analyses are as bad as taking quotes out of context... Let's look at all the relevant information before making conclusions....

Here's a good example. How does a 9.2% win = a 10% margin of victory?

If you can answer that, then the rest all makes sense too! :)

peace.
I am very disappointed that the media is buying into this ad hoc argument the Clinton campaign is trying to spin on the public.  First of all, Hillary's *big state* argument FAILS.  Her argument assumes that her voters wil not support Obama in the general therefore she has the advantage in the *big states*.  That argument is bogus because we know that, as of today, at least 50% of her voters would support Obama and we add that number to 100% of Obama's voters and there is a sizeable cross section of Democrats voting for Obama.  Not only that, her argument does not consider that she is winning in those states when the choice is between her and Obama.  Come November, when the choice is Obama vs. McCain, the voters will have a diffferent viewpoint.  The Clintons have been trying to change the rules as we go to suite their ambitions and the Media has been complicit in supporting their delusions.  
That is unfair to Hillary about her voters are uneducators, old woman, etc... From what I see from all blogs discussing their camps over months, obama's supporters are those ones with foul mouth, swearing and attacking Hillary's supporters.  I was pretty on Obama's side originally but I switched because I can't be same kind like them. Now tell me who's side is more educated, please!!
ABOUT TIME. However white democrats are breaking now is simply not relevant to what will happen in the general election, no matter what the Clintons suggest. The GE will be about turnout, period. Unless the Clinton campaign reverses course quick, both Clintons will not be remembered kindly in the Dem party, particularly if they are associated with some of the 527 race-baiting messages coming of the woodwork now.
You say Obama has a prblem with "working class voters", and Clinton has a problem with African-American voters.  Do you think that African Americans don't work? Aren't they part of the middle class? If you mean white voters say it. Don't call them working class.
Is it me or does it seem like all the pundits are drooling over HRC win in PA.  Now they are talking like she actually has a chance to win this nomination, especially that idiot Joe Scarborough.  Can't we get him off MSNBC.

Obama is not and will never be ready to be president of the USA.

patty,sd,ca (Sent Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:15 PM)


So what do you do if he's the nominee Patty?  Vot for McCain?  Sure and you'll have 4 more years of the same.  Are you up for that?  Just food for thought.
Chuck - I've read First Read religiously everyday since the Democratic Primary in Iowa and I have to say that this is probably the best post I've read.

There is no spin or no bias in it.  It's 100% straight to the facts.  Every candidate remaining on both sides have particular problems with particular groups.  To amplify one above the other is insane because they will all lose if they can't get at least 50% of the group that represents their weakness.  

This race in November isn't about the percentage of your weak group you can get, it's about how many total of your strong groups you can turn out.  Evangelicals will still probably vote 70/30 for McCain, but not as many will turn out in November as they did for Bush.  And Blacks will still vote at least 80/20 for Clinton, but not as many will turn out in November if she steals the nomination from Obama.  

My argument all along about why Obama is more electable than Clinton is because Clinton has a 52% ceiling and has no where to go but down.  Obama can either win with 60% or lose with 40%, but he doesn't have a ceiling at this point to attract new voters and Independents even after the kitchen sink strategy.  And unlike Obama, Clinton will energize the Republican base to turn out when they won't have the same intensity and movitation against Obama.  A good chunk of Republicans may not vote for Obama, but they won't turn out in record numbers just to vote against him.  

It's that simple.  It has been for some time now.
Re:
"But extrapolating their findings to tell us something about another election -- with different candidates and different voters -- is a dubious exercise."

Absolutely right!  Apples and oranges.

Although Bubba and Hillary would say that it depends on what the meaning of the word "apple" is.
j, fl:  Once again they post your ignorance on this blog.  Go figure.  
Actually, I'm kind of tired of hearing about Pennsylavnia exit poll.  This is not the only state that is voting.  MSM is wearing it out.
Sorry, I gave credit to Chuck Todd in my last post.  I meant Mark Murray.  Thanks!
Both Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan
are both racist.....

Listen to them when they talk about Obama.
These guys are really racist.


FINALLY.  Thank you.
Well, you know what?  It's the stupid media that perpetuates this slicing and dicing and spin.  Oh, why can't Obama win white voters?  This is media BS.  He overwhelming won white voters in Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, etc. This is editorializing PRETENDING to be news. You guys are so full of it.  The real question is WHY CAN'T HILLARY, NAME RECOGNITION, POLITICAL MACHINE CLINTON CLOSE THE DEAL?
Excellent piece and wow, even logical which is something that we aren't seeing anymore when it comes to this race.  Don't get me wrong, I liked the Clinton years, however I am sick of old Washington tactics and Hillary has completely turned me off with her, "um...not sure if he's a Muslim or not.." Yes you know Hillary he is a Christian.  This ongoing, tiring race is just destroying the Democratic chances in the fall.  If people's fear of an actually intelligent President of the USA keeps Obama out of the nomination and the White House in '08, I simply will not vote.  For those who say they will vote for McCain if their favored candidate - Clinton or Obama does not get the nomination, then you are voting for 4 more years of Bush and frankly my pocketbook and sanity can't take it!  Wake up people!


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