Another foolish statement.  There were people that voted in the republican primary because they knew the democratic primary wasn't going to count.  If they did a redo, those who voted in the Republican primary (Obamicans and Independents) wouldn't be able to vote in the Democratic primary redo.  How would that have been fair to Obama?

If Howard Dean gives into Hillary Rodham Liar, I quit the Democratic Party.

There is nothing Democratic about Hillary Clinton.

"But Obama seemed spooked ...."

That's a little bit racist, don't you think?

So who do the voters think stopped the vote?

"should have consented to a revote here"

what???

Hey Domenico, how about you keep your STUPID thoughts to yourself.  Maybe he would have consented to a revote if it would have included independents and republicans but that was ruled out.  why should the independents and repubs that would have voted for him had they known their votes WOULD, in fact, count be disenfranchised??  give me a break...msnbc is slipping big time.  You and Chuck specifically.

Cheating again?  Come on Hillary.  You are making it so hard for me to vote for you if you are the nominee!!!  Why can't you be fair???  He wasn't even on the ticket.  The re-vote was not fair either. People who voted Republican because their Democratic vote wouldn't count, would not be eligible to vote again.  

YOU agreed and stated later that the vote wouldn't count.  Now you want it to?  HOw crooked can you and your campaign possibly be?  It's just an indication of how crooked your administration would be.  I think we've had enough of crooked, illegal adminstrations who don't follow the rules, but rather, make them up as they go along.  And before you say he was on the ticket in Florida, he was not allowed to campaign other than 1 national commercial that he couldn't stop from showing over there.  And if you don't think you had an unfair advantage way back then with name recognition you aren't being truthful.  It didn't matter anyway because everyone AGREED the votes wouldn't count!  I forgot, you are not a person of your word are you?  Are you sure Karl Rove isn't advising you?

One question: If Clinton thought the voters should be heard, why did she sign a statement last Fall indicating the votes in Michigan wouldn't count?

Why?

Because now she's losing and all of a sudden their votes count.

And she's actually going to get away with this?

Blaming others for one's own mistakes? Hmmmmm ..............
Sounds like a Clinton philosophy to me.

Why dont you "journalists" just stop putting out these idiotic posts? Only a few uneducated persons will actually believe anything this post is trying to achieve. Obama is not responsible for Michigan not being counted and this is a dead issue no matter what camp Clinton wants to spin. And for that matter the democratic nomination is now over. Obama wins on delegates and that's all that counts.

There is no way this is going to make it to the convention.  Please tell us who wrote those ignorant statements.  MSNBC has been reproducing some questionable articles lately.  Like that one about Obama wanting to eat his waffles in peace.  How is that journalism?

How are the handful of MI delegates, even if seated(and thats a BIG if) going to make up for the 150 pledged delegate deficit Hillary is in? I'm not sure this is as BIG a turn as this editorial may hope. Hillary needs to win 223 of the remaining 289 uncommitted superdelegates...now thats a number worth mentioning.

Hello Super-delagates:

I am a real American. I work every day for my living.  I have a mortgage, and a jeep.  I am not rich, but I work hard every-day except Sunday when I spend time with my Family. In addition, every day, I try to figure where I can squeeze a little more from my budget to help my oldest son, who is in college.  By the way, my oldest son and I have both been in the military, so we know what it means to sacrifice.  And we both morn the loss of dear friends and comrades.  We know there value is far above the price of oil, which sometimes makes us bitter.  My son went to Iraq, my sister invaded Iraq, I have a brother-in-law who has been to Iraq twice, and he is in the reserves.  I have held a secret security clearance.  I say all of this because I want people to know how I believe real Americans feel.

Hillary must win this election fairly, and on her own merits—not others.  Furthermore, if any back-room, rule-breaking, after-fact-deals, occur(like Hillary winning the popular vote without counting Obama’s caucus votes, or she take all the votes from Florida and Michigan—rule breaking—then I can promise that we Americans will not take it sitting down.  Our country could face utter civil disobedience.  Thomas Jefferson’s words will take root and grow.  Real Americans will not let the extremely wealthy people who control the media (all the media,) control us.  Real Americans can see through the smoke clouds and mirrors.  Real Americans will demand that this be a fair election, and that the super delegates  had better wake up and realize that there is more at stake her than just picking a president!  America’s honor is on the line.  We, Real Americans-- democratic, republican, and independent, and those without affiliation—will not let you dishonor our fallen soldiers, the hard working people of America, and our brothers and sisters, who have sacrificed so much—with your dishonesty!

Hillary, right now, you are representing all women! Stop acting like a spoiled idiot. You do not need to twist and spin every thing about this election.  Even if you lose—lose with some dignity, lose with an ounce of self-respect, and lose with your honor in tact! To say that you are leading the popular vote—is a lie, and it is cheating.  Stop your--self-torture. Have some class and be the “woman” we all know you are.  

Obama—I liked you better when you were giving speeches.  At least you spoke from your heart.  People respect that!  What they do not respect is negative, tit-for-tat, adds.  If you return to your honor, you will see what I say is true.

And finally, this lying about I won the states that matter most is a crock.  Only the very ignorant and stupid would believe such an argument, Hillary.  Running against another democrat splits the democratic vote in half.  To say Obama would not win because you beat him in this state or that is insane, stupid, and totally not true!  You dishonor yourself Hillary and the democratic process.  Real Americans want our honor, your honor, our countries honor to be restored!  Do not continue to dishonor America by twisting the truth. You do your self no credit.

Lastly, I hope our politicians can re--think what it means to represent America.

Who writes this stuff?
The Michiganers and Hillary broke the rules. No she and they are going to be rewarded? You cheat you lose. Unless your name is Clinton?
Michiganers knew going in that their vote would not count. So did Floridians who stayed home. What about their votes, huh? The ones who played by the rules.
All of them can vote in the real election. Stop whining about Obama and attack your local politicians and Hillary who put you in this position to start with! You knew your vote would not count.

Obama, go ahead and allow the re-do.  But after June 3rd.  By then HRC will be in debt $50 million, unable to raise anymore money, and unable to campaign in Michigan.  Unless of course she uses her own $109 million.  Oh, but she is a working class white woman.  That is not her money.  Remember Hillary, you must play the part if you want to get the votes.

OVER 4000 BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN LOST THIER LIVES IN IRAQ, AND COUNTLESS THOUSANDS OF OTHERS INJURED FOR LIFE, BOTH MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY SO THAT IRAQIS COULD VOTE----IT IS NOTHING LESS THAN A SHAME ON OUR COUNTRY NOT TO HAVE THE VOTES IN BOTH MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA COUNTED----THIS ACTION NOT TO COUNT THE VOTES IN ALL STATES IS SHAMFUL AND A SCARE ON OUR DEMOCRATIC WAY OF LIFE.

The choice is yours Dean & Company. Allow this shrew to continue with her nuke'em tactics and steal what she hasn't rightfully earned and the fall out will not be pretty. Forget the threats of either party and who they will or will not vote for. It are those of us who are more than just a party but sick and tired Democratic citizens that will bring you all to your knees. Bitter doesn't even begin to cut it.

Carry on...

Wait a second... 40% of the voters didn't vote for her when she was the only canidate on the ballot?  40% of the voters said NOT Hillary just on principle? Knowing that their wouldn't officially count but they still felt compelled to drag themselves to the poles just to say "NOT Hillary"? 40%!!!!? WTF.

Triumphed in turnout but steamrolled by the Clinton machine.  How exactly does that happen?  Can someone share some information to those of us unelightened?

And if this isn't a metaphor for how the two campaigns operate...one if grassroots, from the bottom-driven "we the people".  The other is a very top down establishment in-your-face kind of operation.

I find it interesting that this was put into place contemplating a contested convention (yup, she's a fighter, d___ the American people, we come a distant second to her interests).  And just when did they decide this was definitely going to a brokered convention?  Was it recently or did she contemplate not being able to win this thing legitimately awhile ago.

Yup, I'm fired up.  We need to circulate this entry around...sounds like some pretty unfair tactics here.  The DNC has lost control of this loose cannon.  Obama followed the rules in Michigan and elsewhere and I'm proud to be his supporter.

Wonder how the people in Michigan feel about this, especially the non-Clinton supporters (what were they, fifty percent of the Dems)...Michigan she is trying to hijack you.  How enfranchising ::eyeroll::

Why is everyone all excited about a delegation that doesn't exist?  Unless and until recognized by the DNC Credentials Committee, this group of blowhards will not be seated at the Convention.  Dean and Obama will control the Credentials Committee.

Next question?

This is a matter for the DNC, not Hillary, and her rogue goings on. Any way, I doubt very highly that Obama, and Axelrod are not on top of any part of this primary season. Incompetence? Hillary has the corner on that market.

Hold on... You're saying that 40% of the voters pulled the lever for NOT Hillary.  Ouch.

Go ahead Howard Dean, let them steal the election on the convention floor with smoke, mirrors and intimidation.

Then, when the dust settles, don't bother looking for the youth vote, the independent vote, or the African-American vote - it will have already left the building.

Unbelievable... Talk about not playing by the rules.. We see that Hillary Clinton will try to win at all cost.  No wonder America will get ahead, if her type of experience and leadership is in place.. this is a sad development.  Hillary Clinton is a hypocrite and a shining example of what is wrong with America.  How can I have my kids look at you as a role model.  Hillary you are not a fighter, you are that coward that would stab someone in the back and when confronted convert into a victim instantly.. Typical white woman...

HUH??

Will this monster stop at nothing in order to tear the party apart???

It is time for these Superdelegates to step in and give their support to Obama and hand Hillary her broom to return home on.

Who cares for this editorial. Rules are Rules. Hillary and Obama both signed off on these rules. NOW, because Hillary needs delegates & votes, her campaign is pushing for the votes & delegates to count.

why is the media pushing so hard for clinton to receive invalid votes? does no one remember the pledge that hillary signed making the whole nominating process in michigan and florida invalid, all she is doing is trying to create votes for herself, if they want to seat the delegates a 50/50 split would be the only logical thing to do, why would anybody think that the elitists clintons who obviously think they are above rules and laws should lead the country, this is all stupid to even be talking about

I almost hope Hillary wins the nomination so that people who are now arguing she is more electable are shown how ridiculously stupid and naive an assumption that is.  The Republicans are not even hiding the fact that they want to run against her because they know she will be easier to beat.  

Not only is she less electable in the general election, she's losing the primary.  How are people allowing her to stay in this thing?

Revisionist History reigns supreme!

Here's what the Clinton Campaign said about Florida and Michigan back on 9/1/2007...

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3134

Here's the pledge she signed...

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070831_Final_Pledge.pdf

Why would someone want to draw attention to an election where she lost 40% of the vote to NOBODY?  How do you lose 40% to nobody?  40% of the voters dragged themselves to the poles to pull the lever for "NOT HILLARY"?  Am I the only one who sees the gravity of that?

For all of Hillary's brand recognition, institutional advantages (including the ferocious support of a former president), fund-raising head start and inherent appeal to the party's core constituency (working class white women), she finds herself on the ropes, in debt and having to go hugely negative just to stay alive. Does any sane Democrat really think that this is a viable alternative to Obama?
Over time, Obama gains votes with exposure, and Clinton loses them. He cut her lead in Pennsylvania from twenty something percent to nine and a bit. And that was with the Rev. Wright and "bittergate". This has been true in every single state so far. She starts out with an advantage, and he cuts or eliminates it.

Fat chance. This nomination fight will never get to the convention and barring a monumental colaspe, Obama will be declared the winner by June 5.

If he sweeps the May 6 primaries, there will be tremendous pressure on her to withdraw.

Michigan and FLA delegates will be seated, AFTER Obama secures the nomination.

well he should  have agreed to a revote now its only right she gets them  and also she should get her votes she won in fl to thats only fair to her and the voters who voted for her

I'm so sick on hearing the same Clinton spins over & over, for days, that I've developed a headache & nausea.  From now on, no more MSNBC news - or any other cable news.  I'd rather watch TV sitcom re-runs.

Wow, I don't know which is more crooked you or the Detroit News. Obama didn't squash it or representatives did. I know one of them personally!!!!

BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!


Hillary lost it when she came here during her fake Detroit visit. I KNOW you won't post this one. Because you didn't when I mentioned one of the reps by name 3 weeks ago. Yeeeeaaaa, say hello to propoganda.

Obama was not wrong to not go with a revote. I as a voter in Ohio will boycott and protest as much as possible if they give $1 I donate to go towards a revote there. They broke the rules, my state did not. They both agreed they would not be counted and I'm holding the democratic party to that. There is also the issue of repubulicans that voted that would not have voted the way they did. Do they get to revote to? NO
NO REVOTE

something is really really wrong with her and her camp. you cant make the rules as you go.

Obama has played by the agreed-upon rules from the start.  Hiliary believes in changing the rules anytime it suits her. She's become more and more selfish, phony, and despicable! Her games are right out of the Republican playbook. It's payback time.  Voters nationwide will finally give her and Bill the boot!  The nerve of them wasting our time with this nonsense.  Let's boot them right out of the party.

Why isn't someone pounding Hillary on her re-negging on her pledge that MI and FL will not count!  Any of this manipulation is in defiance of party rules, just as MI and FL defied party rules!

If she won't abide by the rules now, why would she be any better than GW Bush on our Constitution!?

What new ? The rules are not for the Clintons.

That what we need ! Another president who does not play by the rules !

Hillary will hand the election to McCain if she cheats Obama out of the nomination.She will never be president with 50% negative approval rating.

The choice is clear, either seat the Michigan delegates, or put up with near riots in Denver.

I'm surprised Cirque du Soleil doesn't endorse Hillary for all the contortions she does. Woman you signed a paper saying MI doesn't count. Quit trying to renege on the deal. And how does anyone trust this woman?

Michigan cannot be seated.  Obama wasn't on the ticket.  Hillary AGREED that MI wouldn't count.  If the DNC gives in on this, they will never again have any power or authority to set the democratic schedule or agenda.  Clinton will go to any lengths to steal this nomination.  If she does manage to do that, she will split this country so deeply that it will take decades to heal.  

Another BS story being promoted by Hillary, just like several threads on 1st read today. I say, letem have the Democratic Nomination Barack, & take your majority support on to the Presidency. Mainstream America is already sick & tired of the Clinton's. The MSM is'nt! Case Closed !

There won't be a contested convention...

And Michigan won't be seated anyway, the credentials committee isn't exactly packed with Clinton supporters.

The DNC will NOT let Hillary steal the election that way... just won't happen.  The cogs will be put in motion to squash it in a heartbeat.

The only numbers that count

Obama leads by 134 delegates overall: 1,731-1,597.
He also leads by 157 in the pledged count: 1,491-1,334.

Anything else is just mental gymnastics.  

Vote with your head, vote for the economy, vote for jobs.

Vote Democratic 2008 -- don't let the corporations and their Republican stooges win again.  

Scary, really scary.

Ok Howard Dean and the DNC, it's time to have a heart-to-heart with Michigan.  They chose to break the rules and both Hillary and Obama signed-off on the punishment.  

What the bigwigs in the Michigan Democratic party should do instead of trying to pass the buck on Obama is to stand up and apologize to the people of Michigan for disenfranchising them by breaking the rules in direct opposition to the national party.  After their apology, they can be allowed to attend 50-50 with Obama delegates.  Otherwise they can sit back and be quiet because they made the mistake that took the vote away from Michigan.

The only losers here are the people of Michigan who did not get a fair shake because their elected officials decided to break the rules.  Unfortunately the officials are also Hillary supporters and if I were Obama I would be suspect of any solutions they present too.

 

GO HILLARY! Expose Obama for the wimpy, elitist liberal that he is!

This is REALLY getting CRAZY!

I can see a CIVIL WAR over THIS!

WOW....

America, you had BETTER stop the Clintons, or they will destroy you...

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