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May 6: Indiana, tight as a tick

Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:11 AM by Domenico Montanaro

INDIANA (May 6): Going for the knockout blow, Obama is spending the next two days in Indiana; he doesn't head to North Carolina again until Monday.

A couple of new polls are out today in Indiana -- both essentially showing the race a dead heat. An Indianapolis Star poll, conducted by the same pollster who regularly nails it for the Des Moines Register in Iowa (Selzer and Co.) has Obama with a narrow three-point lead, 41%-38%. Interestingly, this poll has Obama actually leading McCain in the general. "Among Hoosiers who said they would vote in the general election -- a statewide sample of voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points -- Obama beat McCain 49 percent to 41 percent. Clinton broke even with McCain, with both backed by 46 percent of those polled. And, by 49 percent to 35 percent, Democratic primary voters said Obama is the candidate best able to win in the general election."

Meanwhile, a new Research 2000 poll conducted for the South Bend Tribune has Obama up 48%-47%. A week ago, this same pollster had Clinton had by three points.

The Los Angeles Times looks at the map. "Clinton is expected to have the upper hand in factory towns like Anderson and Muncie, where blue-collar anger runs deep over the North American Free Trade Agreement and other, pending foreign trade deals. But the powerful United Auto Workers union has held off from an endorsement. Most of the state's top Democratic officials, from Sen. Evan Bayh on down, back Clinton, giving her ‘the Cadillac organization on the Democratic side,’ Howey said. Obama has the support of former Rep. Lee H. Hamilton, who has done a radio ad and is expected to campaign around Evansville, his former congressional base.”

“Clinton's toughest challenge is farther upstate, where new registration has soared among students in college towns like Bloomington, home of Indiana University. Overall, the state's voter totals have grown by 150,000 this year, officials reported. ‘Obama's played Bloomington like a violin,’ said Rob Stone, an emergency room physician. ‘Last summer, his people put out a table at the local farmers market, and they've been showing up every weekend.’”

“Clinton also faces surging first-time registration in black wards in Indianapolis and Gary, where Obama is counting on local leaders' backing."

To the West: Illinois, Obama’s home state. To the East, Ohio, where Clinton scored a double-digit victory. “The result: Neither candidate has a clear advantage as they seek the 72 pledged delegates at stake in Indiana's primary on May 6. Polls are split, making Indiana perhaps the biggest question mark left on the primary calendar.”

NORTH CAROLINA (May 6): The Washington Post looks at how a loss at NC could "shake" Clinton's claims of dominance in so-called "big" states. The CW is laid out: "North Carolina, with its large African American population, has long been seen as a firewall for Obama after contests in Ohio, Pennsylvania and elsewhere that favored Clinton. A win here and in Indiana, which also votes May 6, could cement his status as the front-runner.”

“If Clinton wins in Indiana and is able to score an upset, or even lose by a small margin, in North Carolina, her comeback would probably gain fresh momentum. A lopsided Clinton loss would essentially negate any recent gains she has made in delegates, in the nationwide popular vote and in persuading superdelegates to support her."

Raleigh News & Observer's Christensen covers Clinton's day in North Carolina yesterday. "Clinton returned to North Carolina on Thursday, reaching out to more moderate Democratic voters with a display of military brass, mentions of her Methodism and promises to end the Iraq war ‘responsibly.’ Hoping to build on her victory this week in Pennsylvania, Clinton sought to connect with the traditional values of rural, working-class people. She was accompanied by eight retired generals -- including Hugh Shelton, the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff under President Clinton -- as she courted voters living near military bases in and in the mountains."

The Wall Street Journal writes on Clinton's efforts in North Carolina and notes: "Clinton wants to avoid the kind of blowout loss to Sen. Barack Obama she suffered in South Carolina in January. She is trying to demonstrate the breadth of her support to Democratic elected officials and other superdelegates who will sway the decision on the party's nomination. North Carolina has a large population of the economically hard-hit rural white voters among whom Sen. Clinton has fared well in recent contests. Thursday, Sen. Clinton held rallies in Fayetteville and Asheville. She is expected to visit a fire station in Jacksonville on Friday."

It looks like this NC GOP ad may never air. While the party claims it will, they've delayed the debut of it another week and a couple of major TV stations in the state have already said they wouldn't air it.

OREGON (May 20): Bill Clinton is spending tonight and tomorrow in Oregon. Interestingly, he makes just one brief stop in Portland, while the rest of his stops are in smaller Oregon towns.

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Uh, wrong.  the poll has Obama with a 3 point lead.
Obama is ahead 3 points in the Star poll, not Clinton.
To Chuck TODD
In Selzer poll,
It's OBAMA 41% CLINTON 38% (not CLINTON ahead)
Hillary can brag all she wants to about getting the bigger states, but the problem is mre then 50% of the country has voted aganst her.

Obama can make up for his loss in the PA by winning Iniana and North Carolina.  Hillary just better give up.
Great journalism guys... The poll has Obama up by 3 and an MSNBC reporter writes that Clinton is up. Way to pay attention, you clearly earned your salary today.
That was a typo. Thanks for the heads up, guys.
OOPS Embarrassing Mistake
Keep the faith...move forward...the battle is there.
May the lies never obstruct our purpose...the
goals are there-YES WE CAN YES WE CAN YES WE CAN!!!!!

Obama'08
Hmmm, Clinton wins PA by less than 10% and yet Obama gets the bump in Indiana...interesting.  Not much traction to that PA win, I guess.

And let her try and say, its his neighboring State.  Hello, take a look at CT, in a closed primary here, she lost (and yes, we are right next to NY for any of you geographically challenged folks :) ).

I'm thinking Indiana is not PA.

Go Hoosiers!
If we let a bully change the rules, after the game is over, and give that person the nomination, it will look like a rigged election - which would be true.  

The world is watching our election. Aren't we supposed to be an example of democracy for the world to aspire to.  
We always hear where Hillary, Bill and Chelsea will be campaigning.  Then we hear where Obama will be ... is the media insinuating that Obama has no surrogates campaigning for him?
Hopefully, Jimmy Carter will be at the convention.
Hasn't Hillary said she do whatever it takes to win?   She and Bill are experts at pretending to love blacks, working-class people, or anyone whose support they need.  They are players, who, behind closed doors, say "Screw 'em."
Senator Obama will more than make up his "loss" in PA in the next two contests. How coming from a 26 point deficit to a 9 point loss is a defeat I am not sure. The mass media must think the American people are stupid. By the way it is not a 3 point Clinton lead in Indiana it is a 3 point lead by Obama.
I just don't understand WHY people are still voting for Hillary. She is a disgrace to woman everywhere and has run an awful campaign and under estimated the Junior senator from Illinois from the beginning. She is extremely polarizing as evidenced at the polls and the bumper stickers we see only say "She's lying" and everyone knows who they mean! Is THAT someone you want as President? She really rubs me the wrong way and I'll be glad when she's gone. Obama '08
Clinton keeps saying I have won the big states-and....as Hillary said DELEGATES can change their mind about supporting Obama, people in those large states she won can change their mind in the General election and vote for Obama as well and may.  I take offense towards Hillary in regards to her focus on those big state wins-I am from Wyoming and if our small state was not that IMPORTANT than why was she campaigning here.  So the the Clintons again...have to be one up on everyone...bigger, smarter, better and wiser-blah blah blah- even if they are half truths or lies, (mostly lies) I DO NOT TRUST HER-umm..lets see leadership/dishonesty/illegal woes for president? Hillary's famous quotes, "I had nothing to do with that"  or "smiling and saying I have no idea what your talking about"  ya right- Or Honesty, integrity-ability for President?  I am a proud supporter of OBAMA-Old politics are out and new are in!!!!  WE NEED CHANGE AND VOTING FOR MCCAIN OR CLINTON WILL ONLY MAKE THINGS WORSE FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN!
We always hear where Hillary, Bill and Chelsea will be campaigning.  Then we hear where Obama will be ... is the media insinuating that Obama has no surrogates campaigning for him?

Insinuating?  No...I'm sure Michelle Obama is "speaking" somewhere...the Obama campaign has pretty much kept her under wraps.  Shhhhh...Michelle not so loud.  Your words whether spoken or written are truly damaging.
No, Mede - it's because Bill and Chelsea are "stars" in their own right, according to MSM.  It's 3 against one.  Anyone who thinks that a vote for HRC is NOT a vote for Bill and that he'll play dutiful spouse while she runs the country is seriously delusional.
People!!! Chill out, America will get the president she deserves in 2009.
I have one word BASKETBALL. Indiana is basketball crazy and Obama's 3 on 3 tourney and his ability to connect with the guys in the dinners and pubs using his basketball knowledge to break the ice will win him the state. Forget Evan Bayh the endorsment he needs is Larry Bird.
Chuck Todd what happened to your theory that Hillary had to win 65% of the votes in the remaining states before the PA. primary. NOW she only won 54.8%, why are you still saying that she can win. This primary is already over, why is the media still backing Clinton, is it because of her name. If her name was Barbara Boxer, the media would have told her to quit already.
Chuck Todd what happened to your theory that Hillary had to win 65% of the votes in the remaining states before the PA. primary. NOW she only won 54.8%, why are you still saying that she can win. This primary is already over, why is the media still backing Clinton, is it because of her name. If her name was Barbara Boxer, the media would have told her to quit already.
I was just thinking, on my way to work, as I past through a forest of tall pines and aspen, that I am very lucky to live in America.  Then, I saw several deer of to the left hand side of the road; a little further down the road,  I saw a small group of wild turkeys, which are rarely seen my neck of the woods.  Finally, I made it to the busy highway, took a left and proceeded past the wondrous snow capped mountains on my right.  As I made my way down the mountain to where I work, I noticed that gas coasts had gone up another twenty cents in one day.  I work hard every day, and now I might have to move to the city down below just because of the coast of gas.

Then I think of the soldiers, and their families, and I am ashamed of my petty worries.  How many of us are still mourning the fallen of the Iraq war? Before I left the house, I noticed Obama’s pastor, Rev. Wright was speaking on T.V., and the pundits were already picking apart what he said and twisting it around like vultures. He was a marine, after all.  How many pundits have given as much to our country as Rev. Wright?  Not many: unless they to served in the military.  Now, some might argue that they served the country in a different way, but those of  us who have served in the military know that there is no other job that requires one to sacrifice as much as one does in the military.  Yet, he is a pastor who still tries to do good deeds.  How many of us can say that!  Not too many would be my guess.  

Furthermore, most people have not felt the sting of prejudice, or the constant injustice of being falsely accused because of the color of ones skin, or the constant fear that accompanies such experience.  Until, you have walked in ones shoes, do not throw stones.  Perhaps it is better, far better, not to prejudge others by the color of their skin.  Perhaps it is better, far better, to try to understand the full context of ones life, deeds, and actions before condemning him, based on only a few ill-gotten comments.  Perhaps it is better, far better, to believe in the positive power of our ability to do good deeds, than to sit by and make snide comments out of “bitter” frustration, or simple political convenience. Perhaps it is better, far better, that our politicians think in the commonality of progressing our countries interests without finding continual blame, but instead, in finding continual solutions.  I believe this is Obama’s message, and a powerful message it is.
GO HILLARY you have my support and are a women who never gives up

to all those who say she should quit, "American people dont quit and thus they need a president who never quits"

yes we can, yes we can!
My, My.  While all of the bickering is going on with the Dems, there's John McCain big as life on the "Politics" page of the MSNBC website looking all Presidential.  Doesn't this put things in perspective for anyone?
Real American, your posts are awesome...you should be an Obama surrogate :).

(and as for Michelle Obama, I'm sure some days she is looking after her two small children...my children are the same age and not only are they a lot of work (yes, I love them anyway LOL) but they really need mommy sometimes, you can't be away from the all the time!)
ONLY OBAMA - the other one lies - who wants a female president who thinks she is one of the good ole boys - some day there will be a woman president and she will be a lady we can trust.

I am one of those 60+ white PA women who was supposed to vote for HC - you must be kidding - there is no way - Ever!!
HILLARY ROVE CLINTON AND JOHN RECKLESSLY DISHONEST MCCAIN ARE DOING THE OLD WAR MOVE ON OBAMA CALLED A PINCER.OBAMA IS JUST NOT GETTING FROM 3 SO CALLED DEMS THE CLINTONS. HILLARY IS GETTING HELP FROM HER BUDDY MCCAIN ON THE OTHER SIDE!
Northwestern Indiana is getting Chicago news feed. I think Obama will get blowback from it rather than support.

Suppose they're seeing the gangland mass murders in Illinois and wondering why Barack has voted against harsher penalties for gangland violence? Why would anyone vote against that?  He also voted against an Illinois proposal that criminals out on bail or probation should not be permitted to contact their gangland associates.  Why would anyone vote against that?

Almost certainly Hillary will lose Indiana, right? Look at those polls!   After all, they were screaming for her to get out after Iowa. Then came New Hampshire. They were frantic for
her to get out after South Carolina. Then came Super Tuesday. They were bugged-eyed for her to get
out before Ohio because she couldn't possibly win Ohio. Then came Ohio AND Texas AND Rhode Island!
Then a near miss in Mississippi and they were apoplectic that she quit before Pennsylvania because
it would surely be all over by then!!! Oops!  Those bitter Pennsylvanians just don't know how to play Obamaball.  That's okay because surely she'll understand that nobody wants her and she won't hang around for Indiana -  especially since North
Carolina is going to massacre her!  And of course, it's insanity to think Oregon could possibly be
close, so she should absolutely get out before Puerto Rico!  Yeah, THAT Puerto Rico - 55 delegates
- 4 million Hispanic/Carib people in their first primary ever and they LOVE to vote.  Oh, and the
Gov. of PR who endorsed Obama has been indicted for corruption. Is a pattern forming here?  
Hillary already has 3 PR superdelegates on her side.  And how many Puerto Rican relatives live in
New York???  Yeah, she better get out before then!
Especially since we now have the stamp approval from Olbermann and Todd smirking about the fact that Puerto Rico can't vote in the general election so what's the point?  The point is that we are not AT the general election yet.  Puerto Rico has just as much right as the remaining states to voice their opinion about a nominee.  And they have that huge population.  What if Hillary takes 250K margin out of 2 million PR voters?  Nobody seems to want to want that possibility known. None of the broadcast channels talk about it.  Even the Dem party won't talk about it.  Pelosi and Read are totally ticked that donors are continuing to give Hillary money instead of handing it over to that lame excuse for a DNC chair, Howard Dean who hasn't pulled a penny in yet for local elections.  Is that a reason to blame Hillary and take away her donors?  Apparently, Reid and Pelosi undemocratically think so.

The piling on continues.
And New England won the Super Bowl.  Isn't North Carolina one of the states Hillary referred to when she said "Screw em, Bill?"
Obama, keep up the good work. You konw it's a bad thing when you have Bill and Hillary telling you to are face that are black votes don't count, and when you say that he can't close the deal with blue collor workers. Your telling all Black people that are votes do not count. To much red nicking going on.
Jerry- I have finally found one thing to agree with you is that Hillary needs to wake up and smell the coffee. I can't even bare to watch her on t.v anymore. Even the N.Y. Times is fed up with her. She is using the same playbook your hero Rove uses.  
"Clinton is expected to have the upper hand in factory towns like Anderson and Muncie, where blue-collar anger runs deep over the North American Free Trade Agreement...."

This never ceases to amaze me.  Don't these angry blue-collar workers understand that her husband, with her support at the time, is RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT?????
Why do democrats care about Bill Clinton?  He cost the democrats congress after only two years.  He squandered the country’s attention to social programs with his sexual follies and humiliated the office of president by his lies.  Now he wags his finger and reveals his sociopath behavior by blaming the victim of his, Clinton's, own racial slurs by saying the equivalent of ‘the devil made me do it’.  He is a liar with no moral base and so is Hillary.
Real American

I wish everyone on this blog are as thouhgtful as you!
Go Hillary!!!  Save us from big, bad Obama.
An Obama presidency would not be a good thing.
Indiana and North Carolina are both college basketball states.  Obama's good with basketball AND college students.  No need to worry about those constituencies there.  In fact he should have basketball nights in both states.  

Too bad he couldn't bowl better... maybe he'd do better in PA... too bad he's not into Nascar or he'd do better in Nov in the South.
Time for Obama to send the Grandma packing! without the less enlightened in the society she is nothing, James Carville her surrogate is very annoying, ignorant and a blatant liar!!. For along time I had much respect for new New York times, ABC, CNN, and Fox but not anymore. The only thing they are good at is peddling lies to apathetic audience!!
Obama just can.t close the deal.He will be history in a few months. Including florida and michigan he is down in the popular vote. So you guys and gals suporting Obama chill it. He just cant win in the general. He is a wimp
Time for Obama to send the Grandma packing! without the less enlightened in the society she is nothing, James Carville her surrogate is very annoying, ignorant and a blatant liar!!. For along time I had much respect for new New York times, ABC, CNN, and Fox but not anymore. The only thing they are good at is peddling lies to apathetic audience!!
it doesnt matter.....neither is electable......too much black and white racism and sexism....this should be a blowout year for the democrates and george mccain is neck and neck....democrats need an electable canidate such as al gore who should be nominated by the super delegates......its the enviroment, stupids.................
Let's say for a moment that Obama wins Indiana---a working class state that may realize a woman worth $109mil isn't their best advocate---and N.C.  Wil Clinton finally let it end then?  Common sense would tell you yes, but I'm guessing her ambition and anger has gone far, far beyond reason.
Go Obama/Richardson 08
Hillary does have bragging rights. She has won all of the big states and came within a 1% lag in a few others. Obama supporters won many small states that had a caucus but there have been reports about bullying tactics taken by the Obama campaign volunteers in those states.

Does Obama really think he is going to pull off the election in the fall? Get real; the polls are showing a different picture; nearly 43% of the Clinton supporters will either not vote or will go over to McCain.


The longer this goes on the more attracted I am to a Obama/Clinton ticket.  Both would bring their half of the Democratic Party that the other can't seem to convince.

Of course, Obama would be at the top of the ticket because he has won more states, more delegates, and more votes (if you stop listening to Clinton's voodoo that doesn't bother to count the 266,089 Michigan voters who DIDN'T vote for her.)


P.S. Anybody see "They Shoot Horses, Don't They" lately?  Desperate people continuing a hopeless marathon because they have nothing else left in their lives?  Sound familiar?
All Hillary has to do is count the votes in Florida and Michigan as votes cast in Indiana.  Voila, she wins Indiana!  Or maybe Florida votes count in Indiana and the Michigan votes count in North Carolina. Comeback miracle! She now wins Indiana AND North Carolina! She is tough and oh so smart.
This is the same tortuous logic that has her winning the overall national popular vote. Hillary's willingness to distort the numbers is reflective of her campaign generally. Must be delayed stress from dodging the sniper bullets. Close calls like that can have a lasting impact.
Margaret in Columbus

About Obama's vote against harsher penalties for gangland violence:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/reprehensible_misrepresentation.html
The LA Times should whip out a map – Bloomington can hardly be considered upstate Indiana.

Margaret: I don't understand your Puerto Rico/New York connection. You do realize New York has already voted, right? You don't seriously think PR will go for Clinton because Puerto Ricans live in NY, do you? I mean, how condescending can you be to suggest the thoughtfulness of voters extends only as far as whether someone of the same nationality lives in a state that went for Clinton?

Also … I understand and commiserate with you Clinton hold outs, and you're certainly due your right to vote for her. But this thing is OVER and has been over for about two months now. She can try to rewrite the rule books and change the math all she wants, a la Karl Rove and the Republican party, but her deceitful tactics aren't going to steal the nomination from the rightful winner.
Obama' pastor has said in his interview with Bill Moyers essentially that Obama believed in him & his words & Obama is just a politician who lies to voters to get their votes.  David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manaager has just said in a interview they they can not get the white working vote so they are not concentrating on it, they are going after the college kids.  Obama is a lying mess!!!  VOTE HILLARY!!  At least she won't give up, she is will to fight!!
I'm with you Sophia, I hate that "big state" argument. If the dems would've focused on more states they could've won the last 2 presidential elections.
I'm from Connecticut, it's like she's saying my vote is non-essential because I'm from a small state. She also makes it sound like Obama can't win the "big states", in the general election. I don't think that is true either.


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