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Obama's response to Hillary's response

Posted: Sunday, May 04, 2008 1:59 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
Here's the latest salvo in the gas-tax war -- a new TV ad by Obama running in Indiana and North Carolina:

The script...
Announcer: "More 'low road' attacks from Hillary Clinton…Now she’s pushing a 'bogus' gas tax gimmick… Experts say it’ll just 'boost oil industry profits'... They’ll 'simply raise prices and pocket … the difference.' Clinton aides admit it won’t do much for you – but would help her politically. So here’s the choice…Clinton gimmicks that help big oil… Or Barack Obama… a real energy plan and a $1,000 middle class tax cut to help families truly pay the bills."

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Clinton's gas tax holiday proposal is in the main no different than what the predatory lender scam.

Both are bait and switches, both prey on working people's need to save money, both employ illusory promises.

I wish Obama would make this argument. He IS arguing that oil companies would raise prices and there'd be no actual savings at the pump. But IMO, he should tie that in with the predatory lending scam to show that in both cases the "haves," duped/are duping the "have nots" with the lure of saving money while hiding the big picture truth.

The lenders made money, but their scam resulted in economic turmoil. Clinton will get votes, but the end result will be divisiveness and more gridlock. Both involve deception and cheating.

And both scams are dishonest and elitist. The mutual mantra: Dupe 'em, take 'em, move on.

IMO, Obama should be talking to voters on this level. He IS calling Clinton's plan a "shell game." But why not also show voters that it's the same kind of shell game the predatory lenders ran on them. No one's unclear on how rotten that one was.

Think about...

THE HILLARY PLAN:

- Give people $30 bucks over 3 months.
- Kill 600,000 construction jobs in the process.
- Pay for it with money you already spent on something else.
- Drive the demand for Gas UP! [Causing prices to rise further]

Wow... I can't believe someone actually made the worst president in US history look smart.

Thanks Hillary!

http://laststopmidwest.blogspot.com
I think Obama is definitely telling the truth about this issue.....she is really desperate to think that people and voters in general would fall for this.Then again....why should voters be surprise??..Hilary doesnt and never has pumped her own gas and i doubt Mccain has either.Hell, atleast Obama and Michelle admitted they are human like the rest of us being that they are both paying off student loans.
Now thats what i called being in touch!!

Go Obama!
Bogus is right.  Hillary is unabashedly pandering just to get votes.  How low can she go?  30 cents a day?  Is she kidding?  Obama is the only way to go.  
great ad. I am glas to hear that he is expressing the difference between him and Hillary about helping the middle class. He s not being negative, but discussing the differences in policy. He is also showing that she is the elitist if she believes that saving working class families 30 cents a day for a grand total of $30 for the summer is helpful when the oil companies will raise the price of gas to compensate the loss of the gas tax. This will also cost 300,000 jobs in highway. She appears to be out of touch not Obama.
Let the ad wars begin.

Hillary is relegated to stump speeches, while Obama can whoop her silly with paid ads that reach into every home. I contributed twice last month to his camapign, which put my contributions up 100%.

I want my candidate to have every advantage through my money.
Take her down Obama!
As a former Hoosier, I urge voters in the state of Indiana to seek the truth through the words and actions of Sen. Obama.  Don't stoop to the level of Clinton's pandering.  You are smarter than that!!
After accepting the Democratic party nomination for President of the United States, I hope Barack Obama chooses a female running mate.  Not Hillary!  This would be poetic justice, after the sleazy campaign that she has run.  There are plenty of qualified female candidates for Veep, and they also have the advantage of actually possessing integrity.  C'mon Barack!  How about Janet Napolitano?  Nancy Pelosi?

I would split a gut laughing if he did this!

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
HILL AND BILL = THE LOW ROAD
For once here is a person who is telling the truth and the sad fact is people like to be lied to?? I don't get it.  Haven't we had enough unfilled promises and disappointments?  Hillary has no problem lying-Bosnia and now the gas tax.  She knows it can't be done right away and would be of little help but thinks people are stupid.  I am not one of them and believe me I am broke also.
Obama 08
So why did Obama vote for a gas tax holliday?  Twice!
Any body else noticing Hillary's bad hair days of late?

She's not as consistently coiffed as she used to be.

Is it because she's running as fast as she can to catch up, or is she running out 'Do' dough?
Please Indiana and North Carolina, see the light; and maybe send a message an email to these cable shows to start telling the truth on the Clintons, there history is so much worse then anything Wright may have said or done.  If their bringing on NAFTA and Clintons' conflicts of interests (taking money from foreign companies) isn't enough for people, what would it take for you to see what they are about.
It's about time. I can only hope Clinton supporters in small towns like mine see that she is underestimating their ability to understand politics, economics, and ethics.  There is nothing elitist about having faith in the intelligence of working-class middle Americans. Rather, elitism is most manifest when its politics relies on voters' misunderstanding of or ignorance of economics, and when it appeals to a perceived dependence on the immediate appearance of economic benefit. Kudos to the Obama campaign for refusing to underestimate us.
All of this over 18 cents a gallon? Like everything Clinton gets involved with, this issue has degenerated to stupid levels.
Why do most politicians think that the American public is so stupid that they can try to pull crap like the gas tax.  
Good for Obama.  The gas tax 'holiday' is a despicable lie - should be called the 'national infrastructure funding holiday' or the 'global warming response holiday' or the 'last hurrah for SUV dinosaurs holiday'   (not unlike the 'last hurrah for 1990's dynasties holiday').  the next 4 years will be a critical test of whether a democracy can face major long-term threats - financial and environmental, as well as terrorism - which will require leadership that tells the truth, and is believed to be telling the truth.    
Noticed Obama is up 4 points against Hilliary in the Gall poll.  Wondered if you MSNBC guys will jump on that news today like you did when he was down??
Why is anyone falling for this gas tax holiday thing? Can it even be put into effect by the end of this month?
The ad says it all.  Voters have a real choice and need to weigh their choice carefully.  This world needs an authentic leader who understands that complex problems can't be solved with gimmicky solutions that are being touted to win an election.
Barack Obama is a leader we can trust and believe in.  I hope that voters really look into the issues and the candidates and vote to change the course of history. Hope '08.
Excellent, honest, courageous, and progressive!

Vote Obama, 2008!
The Media sure likes to type cast people into funny names...Blue Collar..(like we're dirty)
      White Collar (like their clean)
      Older White Women (like older than Who?)
       
Obama just calls you voters for The United States of America..how nice...aaaahhh...

Obama/Pelosi '08
BJ,CA
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I laughed so hard at your post BJ, until my 'older black bladder' chased to the privy. Thanks.
To James, Wichita, KS:

You left something out of your "Hillary Plan" --

Obliterate Iran.
That's Right!!! Tell them how it really is!!

Obama 08
Yes We Can!!
We could always massacer Iran and take their oil
Clinton pandering with a disastrous gas-tax holiday.  Obama knows this won't work, because he learns from experience and admits mistakes, unlike Clinton, who still can't apologize for her rush to war with Bush. Vote Obama for honesty and integrity.  If you want more of the same lousy economy and bloody sand in the Middle East, vote Clinton or McCain.  
More lies, thanks Hillary people hungary for another liar. I guess Bush trained them right.
she has no shame or morals, that's what wrong with washington. say and do anything for a vote
My brother and I were just talking, he has to give up his health insurance to pay for the gas to get to work.  So when Hillary talks about having us be mandated to pay for insurance, even to the point of wage garnishments, how do we exactly find the money to do that?  If he can't even get to work, how can he pay insurance? I had to give up my cholesterol medication,because my daughter takes 3 meds that we must get every month.  Insurance did not help me there.  What are we supposed to do?  
Sad thing is that thousands of people will fall for her crap. Too many people in this country are willing to sell their vote for $30. It's disgusting!
All week we've been hearing about Obama can't get the middle class white voters when in fact he has and he has gotten the young, old, rich, poor, black and white. HE has the most votes, most pledged delegates, most fund rising money, most senate bearing super delegates and you want to know why he can’t close the deal with white middle class? Let’s define who these people are shall we?

Are these the people that already had a racial bias against any black man as President?  Are these the people that ready decided (with their parents and grandparents influence) they will NEVER vote for a black man? We will never know these questions because this would turn the cameras on the media and their style of reporting; hiding their personal fears behind hard working voters. Pushing their personal agenda behind white working class workers based on their own bias and prejudices.

Those white middle class voters who will not support Obama is not an OBAMA problem; as the news media already know. He's not responsibility for their generational bias. They fear change and they fear that having a black man in office will promote some kind of payback and somehow let 'lose' the black community on these small town voters and take what they  are already struggling with; jobs, security, food, education.

This problem is CLASS not RACE! This is NOT Obama’s problem to solve. These issues should have been solved with Bill Clinton but he failed!

But let’s get to the REAL story you should be reporting: why can't Hillary court the BLACK voters?

Now I know keeping the focus on WHY can't OBAMA do thus and so but you NEVER asked Hillary WHY she can't close the deal after so many years of experience, after being in the public's eye for 35 years this thing should have been closed BEFORE Feb. 5th.  But I know, that's not a story, the real story is OBAMA and eating his flesh for ratings in the most racist attack way I've ever seen in my life.

People are very proud or our country, but not too many people are proud of the media.  What will we say about YOU 10 years from now as we, the American people look back at the negative impact the MEDIA played in such a critical pivotal point in American History.

Don't expect a full house during any 'remembrance' of your great performance, the media has shown themselves to be racist, self-styled targeted attacked to fulfill and hide their personal prejudices. THAT my dear is what the media will be remembered for.

Kind of like the 1960’s huh?
come on hillary get it passed maybe i can save $109 million for myself. this woman must think most voters are really stupid.
go obama
I too think Hillary is a closet Republican and it's about time people says it out loud!  As a matter of fact, she is talking more and more like them every day.  First she support Bush on the Iraq war, and now she support McCain on the gas tax holiday scam, just to get votes.  When will the blue collar worker learn to stop voting against themselves and other poor folks.  Hillary is for Hillary and Bill's legacy.  Just as she has played good cop bad cop with NAFTA, now she is playing good cop bad cop with the gas tax holiday, again joining forces with John McCain.  When is she going to tell us that she has decided to Vice President for John McCain -- we got another Lieberman in the making.
Hillary the pant suit panderer! Vote Obama 08!
Does ANYONE who is considering a vote for Hillary based on her Gas Tax Holiday think/believe that:

1) on DAY ONE after her "win", there will be a Gas Tax Holiday?
2) the Senate would have a bill to write, vote on, and pass before the summer is over?  the House would do the same?
3) that President BUSH would sign a bill to eliminate gas taxes for the summer AND force oil companies to foot the bill?
4) that all of the economic experts and advisers who say this is the WORST possible idea and would do much more harm than good are wrong?

PLEASE.  It will Never EVER HAPPEN.   Not this summer.  Not any time soon.  

This is indeed a typical, political Gimmick, Game whatever for votes.  Hillary is not what America needs now.  

Vote for what is best for America in these times NOW.

Obama '08
It's simple for me.

Do I lean toward a Democratic candidate who has admittedly stumbled on occasion yet shown and accepted responsibility for their HUMAN flaws, talked to me like I have more than half a brain, and inspires me to be a better woman, person, and citizen? Or do I lean toward the candidate that promises quick-fix gimmicks, talks out of both sides of their mouth while pocketing money on the downlow from speeches made by their "looking for the glory days again" spouse in countries where NAFTA advantages reign while American workers have and are continuing to lose  their jobs at an alarming rate, and hasn't been able to manage their campaign spending since the word GO yet claims to understand my pain while exhibiting the ethical morals of an alley cat, as they inspire me to turn off my TV every time they appear?

Mmmm...decisions, decisions.  

This has been said and done before and it simply does not work.

If the 18 cents were passed to the consumer it could have some short term affect but the bottom line is it will not.  Even if the oil company's said or agreed that they will not raise prices.  (Isn't that price fixing?)

Sad thing is many will believe this because it simply sounds good.

The price we pay at the pump is determined by the market (supply/demand).  The market would simply adjust to "consume" the very 18 cents we were supposed to get. Why?  Because demand will go up.  This is economics 101

But people will believe what is fed to them... Not all but enough to get some votes.  The ones who know this is silly will let it roll off but this is sad because we (the American People) get fed this stuff and many consume it without thought or counter points to present the entire picture.
Great commercial.  Hoosiers are smart enough to see through the Clinton political rhetoric.  We can end this misery on Tuesday by voting for hope and truth and change.  Vote for Obama
Hilary just wants to raise the gas tax so that she can have Chelsea as her booky and gamble on more horses.  Shes a sick, sick lady
Obamacas do not worry so---the big oil companies that are puting big cash in Obamas campaign know he would not allow the drty masses to steal $30.00 from their pockets.But he gives youall some more hate speech towards the Clintons.Enjoy
God Trev, do you not watch the news? He uses the fact that he voted for it, they tried it and it didn't work to explain why he's against this at this time. We might actually have a president that LEARNS from his mistakes.
Trev--Senator Obama voted for it in Illinois, as a state legislater.  It was there that they all learned  it did not work and caused problems.  So, he has experience with this issue and because of that experience, he says it is not a good idea.  Hillary, will not even listen to reason.  She just plows ahead without thought of consequence.
After Obama's win of Guam, I noticed that the media has not acknowledged that it was suppose to go to Hillary as late as Friday evening -- are there no blue collar workers Guam (blue collar workers come in all shades and colors throughout the USA to include the outside of connus).
Trev: Obama stated clearly on Meet the Press and in his speeches that he did support the tax holiday plan and it didn't work for the reasons he outlined in his ad.

He was clear that the rollback approved in Illinois backfired and that he learned from his mistake.

The type of honesty that has not happened in the Bush adminitration nor in the clinton campaign.
Why is no one saying that it takes a majority vote in both Houses of Congress and George Bush’s signature to make this a reality?   Does anyone honestly believe that this really has a snowball’s chance?  In three weeks (the start of summer)?  This is all about Tuesday’s elections.
Trev

Yes, Sen Obama DID vote for the 'gas tax hoiday' when he was in Ill Legislature.

He then voted to repeal it -- when it became clear that consumers were not getting any benefit from it

If you are going - maybe in the future - you can tell the whole story --instead of just part of it.

Obama '08
Vote for Hillary to save the Democratic party. vote for Obama to give the keys to the GOP.
Didn't you mean "to save the old way of thinking" Joe??
Hillary is going to tax vacations now?
That'll get votes from the people that have to work all the time....
Holiday...I haven't had a three month holiday since I was in high school...summer break...


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