Florida and Michigan need to be seated. The voters in Florida and Michigan may have been ill served by their legislatures or committee members. The actual voters need to be counted in this election or they are likely to be lost to the Democratic party for a long time. It has to happen...maybe Tom Dasche and the Obama supporters want to go back to a 48 star flag...but the rest of the party needs to stand up for all votes counting. Voters protesting outside the DNC to have their voices heard is a travesty.

It isn't just superdelegates that would be ticked off.  This is one Dem that would leave the party for good.  

Maybe we need to have the DNC take the option off the table so that it cannot even be disussed by the Rules & ByLaw Committee that has mostly Clinton supporters on it.

Florida and Michigan need to be punished for their definance.  I personally like the proposal that their delegates only count as 1/2.  It makes the voters feel that they at least are being seated but they don't change the outcome of the rest of the nation's votes.

Hillary won't agree since she needs the points!

Domenico can you please be a little more specific on this Nuclear Option. Is that what I think it is implying for her to just throw everything implied or not at Obama or is it something more.

The Clinton camp has tried every trick in the book.  The Clintons and their supporters don't respect the voters, nore do they care what happens to this country.  They are willing to destroy everything and anything on their path to a fantasy called "The Third Clinton Term."  It is up to the DNC and the heads of the Democratic Party to set the rules and stick by them in dealing with this unrully and destructive machine.  The voters have made their choice very clear, Sen Obama has more pledged delegates, has won more states and he has had more votes. This process should have ended a long time ago with Senator Obama as our nominee. It is sad, but true, that the Clinton name has intimidated the Democratic Party and forced it into inaction. Our nation does not deserve another botched election; we are still paying for the last one.  

It has already become quite obvious that the Clintons will do anything to win this contest...no matter how devious and underhanded, but if the Democratic party goes along with seating the Florida and Michigan delegations it will be too much to bear.  At this point I am ready to vote for Hillary Clinton if she wins legitimately, but if she manuevers a win by seating the very delegations she agreed should not be seated, the delegations that did not have a legitimate election, then I will have to sit out this election.  Besides with all her talk of obliterating Iran, I'm not sure she's any better choice than John McCain.

Let me tell you that we, the voters, are ticked that the only ones complaining are the Obama superdelegates that keep telling our candidate to get out.  In case you don't understand, let me spell it out for you.  Obama doesn't and can't get enough delegates to win! Neither candidate. Stop your belly aching and crying.  And by the way, why does he never say anything, he always sends someone so that he can be unscathed.

Good job HRC.

Piss off the Super D's, your ONLY chance to steal the election.

Oh well, I guess thats how the Clintons roll.

Alienate the AA vote.
Alienate the youth vote.
Alienate the caucus states.
Alienate the small states.
Alienate the swing states.
Alienate the red states.
Alienate the Super D's.

Nice job.


MORE VOTES.
MORE DELEGATES.
MORE STATES.
PLAYS BY THE RULES.
DOESN'T WANT TO OBLITERATE ANYONE.

Obama 08

After 50 years as a Democrat, if the DNC allowed the process to be subverted by this type of antics, I'd leave to Independent status.  No more donations, no more activism, no more Democratic Party.  It's obscene that this would even be discussed or considered; a travesty.

Did you tell that to the crazy blonde woman?  No one seems to be telling her what she needs to know.  If you think the "supers" are goona be a problem... just wait until the AMERICAN people get a hold of it!

  Hillary absolutely should go fot it! Obama is unelectable, this is no longer what is fair to him but what is best for the party and country.
  Obamas lead is hollow, built before the vetting and therfore in truth illegitmate.Hillary is the only hope for the party.
   Fla. and Mich. will get her very close to the lead, certainly close enough to sanitize taking the nomination from Obama without it looking to bad.
   Does anyone believe that if eveyone revoted today
Hillary wouldn't clean his clock? Obama can limp in at 2025 delegates ahead of Hillary but with Fla. and Mich. in play the percentages of Super delegates Obama would need changes greatly- he will lose.
  Like I said above, this is not fair to Obama but thats not my concern. In politics the ends justify the means. For the good of the party either Obama should drop out or Hillary should go nuclear.

When did it become fair to block Florida and Michigan voters from having a say in this primary? A revote could have been done if Senator Obama had not blocked it because he did not believe he would win. Anyone who responds you broke the rules and so your vote shouldn't count - shame on you - do you really think the legislators asked the voters' opinions before they voted to move up the primary. At least the RNC was not stupid enough to take away 100% of the delegates. I am so disgusted at the DNC & Dean.

Obama has been re-endorse by the CHicago Tribune which urges for Indiana voters to vote for Obama

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0504edit1may04,0,3206628.story

Daschle, a loser, supporting yet another loser, Obama. I guess America needs to elect knuckle-heads  like these two every decade or so, just to remember why we don't vote for them every election. How else do you explain Jimmy Carter?

When will the Democrats realize that the only people the Clintons care about are themselves?

Period.

btw.......I loved her "screw all the economists" when George told her not a single one thought her Gas Pandering Holiday was a good idea.

Sorry to have to inform you Mr. Daschle but there will be an equal number of "ticked" voters...you know "we the people" voters...should these states delegates not be seated and the popular vote not be included. The VOTERS are what is important here sir...not your opinions or those Superdelegates you have been commiserating with...what counts...what should count in a democracy such as ours...are the votes. The reason you don't want them to count is that your guy would lose.

PLEASE POST THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE

ATTENTION ALL DEMOCRATS: Everyone needs to realize the DEMOCRATIC PARTY BELONGS TO THE BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON.  It has taken me four months to figure this out but now I understand. So stop fighting; Bill and Hillary Clinton can do and say what ever they want and when they want.  THEY CAN CHANGE THE RULES WHEN IT’S NECESSARY, they can lie if needed, cheat, steal items from the White House, and commit election fraud as long as they say it’s ok.  I repeat THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BELONGS TO BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON, make no mistake. Nobody and I mean nobody can stop them.  Nobody has power, strength or courage to stop them; nobody.  All other democrats have to do what they say when they say.  They intimidate and threaten Superdelegates if they endorse Obama, they will feel the Clinton raft if they do so.  Just like the two Superdelegates in North Carolina that are feeling pressure for backing Obama.  With that new Rev. Wright campaign ad.  All the Democratic Party leaders are either scared of them or afraid of the dirt they will release on them.  If you notice none of the so called power brokers will tell Hillary that she should exit.  Including:

Howard Dean
Ted Kennedy
Al Gore
James Carter
John Edwards
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reed

They are all powerless and will do nothing to stop Bill and Hillary’s slash and burn politics.  It has stopped Obama’s momentum he is being forced to fall in line with Clintons rule changes.  No party leader has the guts or the courage to put an end to this thing.  If all the renaming Superdelegates would stand up all at once and say enough is enough, then maybe just maybe we could win in November.  However, courage is hard to find these days among the SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERS!

The sad thing is even the media must do and say what they want.  You see the journalism in this country is horrible; they are paid for and bought by the Clintons and the GOP.  The media tells you how to vote and why you should vote a certain way. They get e-mails from the Clinton staff and give the media there talking points and just like puppets the media goes on the air and perform for her.

Nuclear Option will be very big disaster.
Most Democratic voters will be outraged and vote for Republican Party. This option will send a wrong message to voters that we do not care for Party rules and the poweful leaders can manipulate the election way they want. This will be end of the credibilty for the Democratic party
Concerned Democratic voter.

Then what does Tom Daschle have to say to over 1.7 million Florida Democrats who came out and voted on the date chosen by our Republican state lawmakers?  It's okay if our votes don't count, because then his candidate does better?  If the DNC had not decided to make an issue of the dates of the FL and Mich primaries, Hillary would have had the nomination a long time ago.  The system stinks and the DNC should have no right to tell states when they can vote.  This isn't democracy;it's a joke.

Another ruse from Tom Daschle, a Washington lobbyist running Obama's campaign!
Of course the Obama camp doesn't want to count FL and MI because including them gives Hillary a lead in the popular vote.

MSNBC PLEASE POST THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE

ATTENTION ALL DEMOCRATS: Everyone needs to realize the DEMOCRATIC PARTY BELONGS TO THE BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON.  It has taken me four months to figure this out but now I understand. So stop fighting; Bill and Hillary Clinton can do and say what ever they want and when they want.  THEY CAN CHANGE THE RULES WHEN IT’S NECESSARY, they can lie if needed, cheat, steal items from the White House, and commit election fraud as long as they say it’s ok.  I repeat THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BELONGS TO BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON, make no mistake. Nobody and I mean nobody can stop them.  Nobody has power, strength or courage to stop them; nobody.  All other democrats have to do what they say when they say.  They intimidate and threaten Superdelegates if they endorse Obama, they will feel the Clinton raft if they do so.  Just like the two Superdelegates in North Carolina that are feeling pressure for backing Obama.  With that new Rev. Wright campaign ad.  All the Democratic Party leaders are either scared of them or afraid of the dirt they will release on them.  If you notice none of the so called power brokers will tell Hillary that she should exit.  Including:

Howard Dean
Ted Kennedy
Al Gore
James Carter
John Edwards
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reed

They are all powerless and will do nothing to stop Bill and Hillary’s slash and burn politics.  It has stopped Obama’s momentum he is being forced to fall in line with Clintons rule changes.  No party leader has the guts or the courage to put an end to this thing.  If all the renaming Superdelegates would stand up all at once and say enough is enough, then maybe just maybe we could win in November.  However, courage is hard to find these days among the SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERS!

The sad thing is even the media must do and say what they want.  You see the journalism in this country is horrible; they are paid for and bought by the Clintons and the GOP.  The media tells you how to vote and why you should vote a certain way. They get e-mails from the Clinton staff and give the media there talking points and just like puppets the media goes on the air and perform for her.

They knew the rules and they flouted them.  They knew what would happen and it's just ridiculous to turn around and say, "Oh well, it's ok... We'll just let them in anyway."  Let's just have another stolen election like Bush/Gore and then see how "divided" we can become.  This is why people are discouraged with politics.  This is all Hillary Clinton does, politics as usual.  She is in it for the power and Obama is in it for the service, public service.

Does anybody doubt that the Clinton camp is getting a free ride on all this? What ever happened to equality and justice for all. Does She really believe that Obama got zero votes in Michigan (theory endorsed by MSM)?

A lesser man would have walked by now.

Ya well let's see if the super's can withstand the Clinton machine!

What on earth has happened to our country?  People pretend to have faith and then talk about Nuclear Options.  How pitiful.  The radical faction of our country is no different than radical terrorists.  Thou Shall Not Kill, what is so hard to understand about that?

It would simply validate the reality that the Clintons will do anything to win.  They are only interested in themselves.  For the last 4 years, Hillary has treated this nomination as her "right".  Simply go back and read Newsweek about 7 months ago. They did a cover story on the style Hillary would use to run her Administration.
Bill Clinton knows that the only way his legacy will survive intact is with a Hillary nomination.
They both now know how insignificant they both will become once Barack Obama is the nominee and directs the DNC to his needs.
When history reviews this campaign, and the Clinton legacy, it will not be kind.  How anybody could squander the insurmountable lead that Hillary had, including the entire Party apparatus and key fundraisers, is beyond conventional reasoning or explanation.
That is why politics in this country is changing.  The pundits are also slow in recognizin this fact.
It would be fascinating to see how big Obama's lead would be if HE had the support of Bayh, Rendell, Strickland, and the majority of the DNC.

2004 Senate election
In the 2004 Congressional elections, Daschle lost his seat to Republican challenger and former U.S. Representative John Thune in a bitterly contested battle. Thune, an aide to former United States Senator James Abdnor (the man Daschle defeated in 1986 to gain his seat in the Senate), prevailed by a narrow 51%-49% margin, which was just over 4,500 votes. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist visited South Dakota to campaign for Thune, breaking an unwritten tradition that one party's leader in the Senate would not campaign directly for the other's defeat. Daschle's loss resulted in the first ousting of a majority or minority leader since 1952 when Arizona Senator Ernest McFarland lost his seat to Barry Goldwater. Daschle's Senate term expired on January 4, 2005.

Throughout the campaign, Thune — along with Frist, President Bush, and Vice President Cheney — frequently accused Daschle of being the "chief obstructionist" of Bush's agenda and charged him with using filibusters to block confirmation of several of Bush's nominees to the federal judiciary. Thune also used moral values such as issues surrounding same-sex marriage and abortion to convince South Dakota voters that Daschle's positions on such topics were out-of-sync with the state's residents. The Republican candidate also drove home his strong support for the war. In a nationally televised debate on NBC's Meet the Press, Thune accused Daschle of "emboldening the enemy" in his skepticism of the Iraq war.

Daschle also noticeably relied very heavily on the power of incumbency to win a fourth term. Some also argued that Stephanie Herseth's election to the state's only House seat hurt Daschle, as voters may not have been comfortable sending an all-Democratic delegation to Congress for the first time in many decades. Accusations that Daschle was possibly considering no longer being an official resident of South Dakota was believed to have offended voters there. Others have analyzed that Daschle's lengthy consideration and eventual rejection of a potential run for the presidency in 2004 took a toll on South Dakotans, who felt betrayed and used by Daschle as a result.

When the race began in early 2004, Daschle led by 7 points in January and February. By May, his lead minimized to just 2 points and into the summer polls showed a varying number of trends: either Daschle held a slim 1 to 2 point lead or Thune held a slim 1 to 2 point lead or the race was tied right down the middle. Throughout September, Daschle led Thune by margins of 2 to 5 percent while during the entire month of October into the November 2 election, most polls showed that Thune and Daschle were dead even, usually tied 49-49 among likely voters. Some polls showed either Thune or Daschle leading by extremely slim margins.


[edit] 2005 and beyond
Daschle has not made intentions clear as to whether or not he will run again for office; however, he has signed on as a Senior Policy Advisor with the K Street law firm Alston & Bird.[5][1] Daschle was recruited by the former Republican Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole. Daschle has refused to discuss his salary, but Dole, performing a similar role at the firm, has admitted that to making in the region of $800,000 to $1 million per year. [6] Daschle is also a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.

In late September 2005, Daschle caught the attention of the media by reactivating his political action committee, changing its name from DASHPAC to New Leadership for America PAC and procuring a speaking slot at the Iowa Democratic Party's annual Jefferson-Jackson Day dinner. He has continued to keep a relatively high profile among Democratic interest groups. These moves were interpreted by the media as an exploration of a potential 2008 Presidential candidacy. Daschle has ruled out any future bid for the United States Senate and on December 2, 2006, announced he would not run for President in 2008.[7]

On February 13, 2006, Daschle became one of two Democrats (with Rep. Jane Harman of California) to endorse a controversial domestic surveillance program conducted under the authority of President George W. Bush by the National Security Agency (NSA).[8]

On February 21, 2007, the Associated Press reported that Daschle, after ruling out a presidential bid in December 2006, had thrown his support behind Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois for the 2008 Presidential Election, saying that he "personifies the future of Democratic leadership in our country."[9]

With regards to his endorsement of Obama, Daschle has been serving in a capacity as one of the national co-chairs for Obama's presidential campaign and Newsweek's Howard Fineman indicated in an April 2007 article that Daschle has been playing a key role as a central adviser in Senator Obama's campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.


[edit] Controversy over wife
Tom Daschle is married to Linda Hall Daschle, a former Miss Kansas and airline marketing executive. After their marriage the new Mrs. Daschle started a career as a successful lobbyist. Her clients include American Airlines, who received $583 million of cash subsidies following the September 11, 2001 attacks, as a result of legislation supported by her husband. During her husband's senate career Mrs. Daschle also briefly served as a Federal Aviation Administration deputy administrator, a role critics claimed would increase her influence considerably when she returned to lobbying. Although Mrs. Daschle declared that she would not personally lobby the Senate during her husband's term of office there, this restriction did not apply to the law firm of Baker, Donelson, Bearman & Caldwell she worked for, and several of her clients benefited to an unusual extent from Senate legislation. Perhaps the most notable of these was L-3 International, makers of an airport x-ray security machine which the U.S. Department of Transportation was forced to buy in large quantities despite it being declared ineffective by the department's Inspector General and on at least one occasion leaking dangerous amounts of radiation. [10][11]

The heck with Obama, I'm voting for Rev Wright.  Someone told me he's not on the ballot and I said "no way."  How's he polling against Obama and that evil doer Clinton?  I can't seem to find any polls.  He's the top story every night, he must be running.  We could have 10 soldiers die in Iraq and he's still at the top.  That's staying power!  Wright in 08!

Obama supporters "more than ticked" if 2.3 million votes are counted.  Just another reason why this man will never be President.

Too bad they weren't "more than ticked" when little old ladies had caucus materials ripped from their hands so Obama supporters could commit fraud in Texas.

I posted a response a half hour ago. Why wasn't it posted?

If Daschle thinks the superdelegates would be "ticked," imagine how the people who voted for Obama will feel.  It's time for the uncommitted supers to wake up and realize that nominating a candidate who doesn't give a crap about the party is NOT a good idea.  Obama wants to grow the party; all the Clintons managed to do in the 90s was shrink it.

Go Hill-Billary!!!!!  Now you're upsetting your own party members!  

At this point, i think she's screwed her changes in even being pick for Vice President in trade of her ego!.

Obema For life!

That the Democrats would throw the election away in November should there be a rejection of its own primaty rules is most certain!! That alone makes the Clinton claim of being more electable laughable. Obama will have his work cut out for him to get the 'blue-collar' vote, but he has a much better chance than Clinton would have of getting the Obama supporters if the nomination is stolen.

Hillary doesn't care.  Screw the party... it's all about her!

I don't know why people keep saying she is "better than her campaign".  This is the same person who won in a deep blue state that she herself cherry picked in 2000, and benefited from the Republican party nominee (Guliani) imploding.  Then, 6 years later, she spent $30M to basically win an uncontested seat.  $30M!!!!!!

In this primary season, she tried to stack the voting day so she would close it out on Super Tuesday, and didn't have a plan B, which meant she had no organizations on the ground whatsoever and lost 12 consecutive states.

For all her experience, she doesn't seem to know what the heck she is doing.  Yet since I support Obama, I'm apparently "deamy eyed" and some sort of cult worshipper.  No, Hillary, that's not it at all.  I don't support you because you CAN'T LEAD and you CAN'T MANAGE!  If your name wasn't Hillary Clinton but "John Doe" you would have been finished a LONG time ago.

Clinton's desperation is really ugly, and this so called nuclear option will do more than turn off the undecided super delegates. I think it will drive both super delegates and voters to Obama's side when they see the back biting, clawing and scratching that Hillary is capable of.

Truth is, Fl and MI will NEVER BE SEATED based on those results - NEVER! Because tgat would be a decalaration of war. The Clintons bring it up just to give voters and superdelegates the impression that she still has a path to the nomination - and that keeps her in the race.

As Howard Dean puts it, "The candidate who gets to that number [2024] first, wins the nomination". From uncommitted supers and the next contests, Obama will get the 273 he needs to get to 2024.

Then Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders come out and put their seal of approval on him. It's done!

Clinton can continue to campaign and make a fool of herself if she wants. Infact, Jon Stewart even predicted she will be campaigning during Obama's inauguration as President of the United States of America.

This MUST end, Sen. Clinton. Give the Keynote Address at the convention as Obama will likely generously offer. Campaign for him and return to the Senate as a heavyweight.But end this now.

Clinton is a Mad Woman, she really is off her meds.  She wants to destroy the Democratic party because she can not win the nomination.  What a big cry baby!

You better believe it pilgrim!

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