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Primary day: Scenarios, scenarios

Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:08 AM by Mark Murray

The New York Times’ Nagourney delves into the potential results of tonight -- from a Clinton sweep (it could change the world), to an Obama sweep (lights out for Clinton), to somewhere in between (his most likely outcome). 

The Washington Post's Balz has his now-traditional eight questions that tonight's results could help answer.

The Boston Globe’s Canellos: “Voters in today's Democratic primaries in Indiana and North Carolina will offer the first real evidence of whether Barack Obama's campaign has been damaged by the latest controversy surrounding his former pastor, while Hillary Clinton faces another make-or-break moment.”

INDIANA: Obama strongholds:
-- Indianapolis (26% of the overall population is African American)
-- Northwest: Gary (84% of the 100,000 population is black.) Gary and other Lake County and surrounding counties are familiar with Obama as they are in the Chicago media markets and the only areas in the Central Time Zone.
-- Bloomington: Indiana University, with its 50,000 students, fits Obama's demographics perfectly

Clinton strongholds:
-- Northeast: Large Catholic populations. South Bend is where Notre Dame is.
East: Muncie, Anderson: Areas that basically look like Ohio; they've been heavily affected by manufacturing job losses.
-- Southwest: Terre Haute, Evansville
-- Southeast: This is the Ninth Congressional District, which includes the famed Milan High of “Hoosiers” movie fame, and it’s one of those battleground districts with LOTS of general-election swing voters.

The New York Post: “Clinton attacked the financial backbone of her home state when she told Indiana voters it's time to hit the ‘Wall Street money brokers’ over the nationwide recession. Clinton leveled the comment -- one of a series of increasingly populist remarks she has made -- just hours after also targeting OPEC, vowing to bust its ‘cartel, a monopoly that gets together once every couple of months in some conference room in some plush place in the world.’”

Just why did Rep. Baron Hill (D), a perennial GOP target of the GOP, decide to pick Obama and not Clinton, even though Clinton will carry his congressional district? Is this about decades-long Clinton baggage vs. weeks-long Obama baggage?

MSNBC.com’s Andy Merten writes that in traditionally conservative Southern Indiana, picking a choice for the top of the ticket can be a politically risky move for a Democratic congressman. This quandary is illustrated in both districts, here. In CD-9, Rep. Baron Hill announced his support for Obama last week, but in CD-8, the tough-talking Rep. Brad Ellsworth, a former Vanderburgh Sheriff, will hardly comment about the presidential race.

USA Today wonders if the college vote will turn out big in Indiana.

Relatedly, the Wall Street Journal wonders if this being exam week on college campuses across both states will cost Obama votes.

Under intermittent drizzle at the American Legion Mall in Indianapolis last night, Obama rallied a crowd of 21,000, NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones notes. His message was a standard stump speech with a laundry list of goals for an Obama Administration. He also hit his rivals once again on the gas tax holiday issue, linking it to what he called old politics and truthfulness. And he criticized Hillary Clinton's call to fight the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

"Today Sen. Clinton said 'I'm gonna take it right to OPEC," he said. "Well, I thought to myself, you say you've been in the White House for eight years, you've had two terms as a United States senator and haven't said a word about OPEC and now suddenly you're going to take it right to OPEC, when you've opposed fuel efficiency standards that would actually reduce demand for oil and put OPEC in a bind? That's not being straight with the American people. That's not the kind of politics we need. We need real relief."

Meanwhile, NBC/NJ’s Mike Memoli reports that Clinton -- running on fumes as the campaign winds down in Indiana -- made one last push for her gas-tax plan last night in Evansville, arguing that being president is not “some abstract exercise.”

“I want you to know the solutions that I am proposing to solve the problems that America faces,” she told a modest but enthusiastic crowd at Central High School. “This is not some abstract exercise for me. This is about rolling up our sleeves and getting to work and making life better for hard working middle class families.”

NORTH CAROLINA: Obama strongholds: Coastal Carolina (with large African American populations), Charlotte, and the Research Triangle (Chapel Hill, Durham, and Raleigh).
Clinton strongholds: the Western part of the state bordering Tennessee, as well as the counties bordering South Carolina.
Bellwether? One area to watch that could tell how the whole state’s votes go: the suburbs outside Raleigh. One North Carolina Democrat says if Obama wins 55%-45% in those areas, then that could be a 7% statewide finish in his favor.

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With all due respect, I really don't think a Clinton sweep would "change the world".  Rather it would be one tiny step forward to more of the same...let's call it "anti-changing the world".

:)

Happy voting!

Obama for our best future.
Democrats. Identity politics is all they know. Divide and conquer.
Rolling up her sleeves and getting to work...and telling people she is going to have a gas tax holiday for three months is the best she can do????  Promise she can't keep.  Holy cow!

I really do hope the superdelegates are paying attention!

Obama for our best future.
I don't know how any liberal or progressive Dem can vote for that woman. Imus was right, she is Satan.
The New York Post: “Clinton attacked the financial backbone of her home state when she told Indiana voters it's time to hit the ‘Wall Street money brokers’ over the nationwide recession. Clinton leveled the comment -- one of a series of increasingly populist remarks she has made -- just hours after also targeting OPEC, vowing to bust its ‘cartel, a monopoly that gets together once every couple of months in some conference room in some plush place in the world.’”

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There she goes again!

Doesn't she claim in some odd way that EVERY state is her home state?

Yeah, go after OPEC and Wall Street...like she's done such a great job of that in the past...like her husband did such a great job of that in the past!
You guys need to check your central time zone.  It is the six counties in NW Indiana plus some counties in Southern Indiana along the Illinois border.

Central time zone counties:
Gibson, Jasper, Lake, LaPorte, Newton, Porter, Posey,  Spencer, Vanderburgh, Warrick,  Perry, and Starke

Since Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) promised to straighten out the time zone mess it has gotten a lot worse.  The DOT sets the time zone in each and has frozen Indiana's requests for any changes for the near future.
AND the Beat goes on...

Is the DNC really playing to the GOP deck...?

Walk the line isn't a very good strategy for the Dem's

The GOP will use that to their advantage....in Nov.

See those crazy Dem's...can't make up their minds on anything....KAPEISH BABY!

http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
The only thing she'll be sweeping is the campaign office as she turns out the lights.
While I will admit that the Top Ten list was very amusing last night, it was easy to see thru the facade. I refuse to trust Clinton, she lies at every turn and bend.  I am truly astonished by how far she has come in this race, I believe based on race. I will not attack Clinton supporters. They are not stupid, racist, feminists, or elitists. They are simply misinformed, and I dare say unsure of SEN Obama. They hesitate to vote for somebody that is new, relatively unknown, and maybe a different race. I am not calling any of them racist, but I think his color has made some people stop their vote for him.

The working class people of this country need to pull together; we are the ones that run this country, carrying its load on our backs. I am in the US Army, an Infantryman, believing me that is a very blue-collar. I grew up in a working class family; my family still is working class. I learned the values that make America the best from this upbringing. I also learned how to judge a person by their character and the voracity in how they live their life. This is what I see in SEN Obama. I guess that is because a short while ago he was just like us, living from paycheck to paycheck, paying off debt, and raising a family.  This is what I find lacking in SEN Clinton. In fact, I find it appalling and absolutely frightening how it is lacking in Clinton. I guess it is what makes working class hate elitists.

Support the Troops, Vote Obama 08.
South Bend is in the 2nd congressional district which include Elkhart (Heavy Republican), LaPorte - Michigan City (Heavy Democratic), Plymouth (home of Scott Skiles), Logansport, and Kokomo.  There are 6 delegates up for grabs in the district.  Expect an even split.
Anyone find it moronic that Limbaugh is pushing "Operation Chaos" and Hillary has MSNBC argueing its the popular vote that counts?
"Democrats. Identity politics is all they know. Divide and conquer."

As opposed to Republicans, Bush I & Bush II?
Hillary hasn't shown that she can win the Black working-class to date. So she's unelectable.

what has Hillary brought to NY? NOTHING. how come she didn't push the oil tax for NY?
Hillary hasn't shown that she can win the Black working-class to date. So she's unelectable.

what has Hillary brought to NY? NOTHING. how come she didn't push the oil tax for NY?
There's only one scenario that matters, that the voters of Indiana and North Carolina not be fooled by the elitist panderer Hillary "Republican" Clinton, aka Darth Hillary.  We don't need another loud mouth ignoramus in the White House getting our brave troops killed for no good reason while Osama Bin Laden laughs at our pathetic attempts to bring justice to him.

Go Obama!
INDIANA: Obama strongholds:
-- Indianapolis (26% of the overall population is African American)
-- Northwest: Gary (84% of the 100,000 population is black.) Gary and other Lake County and surrounding counties are familiar with Obama as they are in the Chicago media markets and the only areas in the Central Time Zone.
-- Bloomington: Indiana University, with its 50,000 students, fits Obama's demographics perfectly
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Obviously this historical primary has taught you narrative pulling oxen very little.

Obama's support is wide rangeing, and unstoppable. The more you diss his every-ethnic appeal, the more you galvanize it, and make it grow.


I watched Lawrence O'Donnell's commentary on Dan Abrams last night and I could not agree more with his comments......We are all hyped up over Sen. Obama's work to get out the white vote, but not one damn word on Clinton trying for the AA vote.  WHat is wrong with this picture?  Are we labeling or assuming, MSNBC?  Between some of these sophomoric entries and Joe Blow Scarborough, I think I need a palate cleanser.............
I don't know how any liberal or progressive Dem can vote for that woman. Imus was right, she is Satan.
LB, VA (Sent Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:37 AM)


Otherwise how could any elitist not vote for Obama.
With all due respect, I really don't think a Clinton sweep would "change the world".  Rather it would be one tiny step forward to more of the same...let's call it "anti-changing the world".

:)

Happy voting!

Obama for our best future.

Lisa, proud Obama supporter in New Britain, CT (Sent Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:33 AM)
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Well said Lisa.  Well said.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
I don't know how any liberal or progressive Dem can vote for that woman. Imus was right, she is Satan.
LB, VA (Sent Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:37 AM)


Otherwise how could any elitist not vote for Obama.
Let's consider the blackest scenario ... Hillary wins both states - Indiana by 8 and NC by 2. Her delegate deficit would be cut by about 4-5. Obama would add at least 90 delegates to his total, leaving him only 180 from nomination with 480 left to allocate. She doesn't stand a chance.

But, hey, if it helps the ratings ... keep yakking. This thing was over on Feb. 5 when Obama swept coast-to-coast, but you guys do need something to talk about.
I was a very fond supporter of the Clintons during the 90's. I think that the level that they have stooped to try and steal this election with the Help of the media is unreal. I think that every voter in the Democratic party whether an Obama supporter or a Clinton supporter , needs to listen carefully The Clinton campaigns metrics as presented by keith Obermann last night on Countdown. Clinton supporters will be mad but the fact is that these have been arguements from the Clinton Campaign . The truth of the matter is that this campaign has spun so far out of control, that the surrogates for this campaign are just as loose with telling lies as the candidate herself.This campaign is so removed from reality that it almost is believable until you sit back and listen to what they say. The Clinton spin machine has been so fine tuned these past few weeks. After Hillary accused the media of being biased against her. The media has responded by doing everything to prove her wrong. The media has gone to the point of overplaying any and everything against Barack Obama.While giving Hillary a free ride. Nobody has aired anything on the Paul vs. Clinton case , very little coverage of her being ready to Obliterate Iran and the fact that such loose words are damning. Nobody is calling her on her supposed taking on OPEC.This woman has become so far fetched, her talking points are straight out of the WCW playbook. The many characters that she has claimed to be like, except herself suggest to me. That Hillary Clinton is such a bad product that she has to relabel herself as something else other than herself.  She has become a Republican in my eyes, all smoke and mirrors and if that doen't work she will kick sand as well. So I have to say this in closing The Charm and Glimmer of The 90"s Clintons has worn off. What is left standing their  Lying Liars and the Lies they tell so well.
If the gas tax is so good and Hillary could get this done why only 3 months, as Bill would say GIVE ME A BREAK.




Hillary will do nice today. She will win Indiana and at the least make North Carolina close. Obama supporters will rant and rave and howl and life will go on and we will move on to West Virginia and Kentucky. Where Clinton will give him a good whipping and the Obama supporters will rant and rave and howl and life will go on and we will move towards Orgegon, the Mountain states and Puerto Rico. The ranting and raving and howling will become intense.
I think the media has the most to gain from this contest continuing. They are the ones doing all of the "spin" for the Clintons. This contest is over. Even if Hillary wins both, the superdelegates have to take into consideration more that fleeting and often flawed opinion polls. They must look at 1)pledged delegate count (this is supposed to be the main one anyway) 2)popular vote  3)states won and 4)amount of money raised. Where is the argument that she is the better candiate when he has all 4. If he were suddently so flawed, his support and money would be drying up. Superdelegates would be defecting. We have not seen this, yet it is never, ever reported that way. Why? Because it is so much more exciting for the news to make it sound as if there is a contest. Sad, but typical.
I'm getting really sick of the MSM and their stupid demographics.  Labels and pidgeonholes don't reflect individuals and their reasons for voting.  I'm in a demographic you insist will vote one way, yet I intend to vote another.  Since Oregon is polling overwhelmingly for Obama, you must think we're mostly black or young, or "elite".  Not so... We're primarily white, working class, and somewhat older.  So there.
Actually NY Post Hillery did not say Wall Street Money Brokers, She said "WALL STREET MONEY GRUBBERS".
I am in the 9th district and I voted for Obama this morning.  So did my duaghter, my best friend, my next door neighbor, the guy I'm seeing and several people from work.  We are doing our part to help Obama win Indiana.

YES WE CAN!!!!


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