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Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: The game changer

Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:35 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** The game-changer: In a way, Clinton turned out to be prescient when she said that the North Carolina and Indiana contests would be a game-changer in the race for the Democratic nomination. What changed, however, was the story that Obama -- even though leading by every metric -- was on the defensive after losing Pennsylvania and after weeks of Jeremiah Wright and “bitter.” But in winning North Carolina last night, his margin of victory (more than 230,000) was even larger than the amount that Clinton won Pennsylvania by (about 215,000). In fact, when you combine Clinton’s narrow victory in Indiana and Obama’s much larger one in the Tar Heel State, he ALMOST netted more votes than Clinton obtained from Pennsylvania. In short, we’re right back to where we were on April 21, and that’s something that won’t be lost among Democratic superdelegates, especially after two weeks dominated by Wright.

*** The new math: Another thing that last night did was kill the Clinton’s campaign’s two best talking points. First, the popular vote: After last night, Obama now leads Clinton by more than 700,000 (16,050,924 vs. 15,336,896). When you include Florida, Obama leads by 419,256, and when you include both Florida and Michigan (and don’t give Obama “uncommitted”), his lead is 90,947. And here's what's left in our pop vote simulator
    Total votes     Clinton       Obama  Split
WV: 400,000  240,000  160,000  60-40
KY: 500,000  300,000  200,000  60-40
OR: 600,000  270,000  330,000  45-55
SD: 100,000  45,000  55,000  45-55
MT: 125,000  56,250  68,750  45-55
    Totals    911,250      813,750

Under this scenario, Clinton will net 97,500 in the remaining contests. So Clinton can win the popular vote if you count Florida and Michigan, but it'll be close and it's just as likely with a bigger than expected win for Obama in Oregon that he can actually win the popular vote even with netting ZERO votes out of Michigan. This shows just how massive both turnout was in North Carolina and the margin of Obama's victory was in the state. Once again, he shows that when he wins a state, he wins big.

*** Mission: Impossible? Second, on the delegate front, if Florida and Michigan were seated as is and Obama got the uncommitted delegates in Michigan, Clinton would net an additional 32 delegates from Florida and 18 from Michigan -- for a total net of 50. So add those numbers into the current pledged delegate count and Obama still would lead in the pledged delegate count by more than 100, approximately 110 in fact. So let's use 110 as the baseline. For Clinton to overtake him in the pledged delegate lead using THEIR math on Florida and Michigan, she'd need to win 75% of all remaining delegates. That's an impossible task. Most importantly, knowing the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee the way we THINK we do, the likelihood of the committee NOT punishing Florida and Michigan in some way (say a cut in half of their delegates a la the Republicans) would then make this FL/MI exercise moot.

*** How did Obama stop the bleeding? One thing that jumps out at us is his performance in mostly white Indiana counties north of Indianapolis. He either won them or did much better than we expected. While he still struggled against Clinton in areas south of Indianapolis, his performance north of the city demonstrated his potential in the Midwest. Also, Obama improved with Catholics. After losing that group 70%-30% in Pennsylvania and 63%-36% in Ohio, Obama narrowed that margin to 59%-41% in Indiana; in fact, he won the county that includes South Bend. And the gas-tax debate also appears to have been a winner for Obama. Besides overshadowing (a bit) the Wright story over the days leading into last night’s contests, the debate played into Obama’s core message (that he will change the way Washington works) and played into Clinton’s chief negative (that she’ll say and do anything to win). That said, Obama didn't get the margins you might have expected in Indiana’s northwest counties close to Illinois. Our guess is there might have been a racial divide here, and Wright might have been a factor in the Chicago media market. Even in Lake County, Obama only won 55%-45%. That probably means he lost white vote there badly... You have to wonder how much he would have WON Indiana by if 1) there was no Wright controversy or 2) he had more time.

*** What now? As we mentioned yesterday, with more undeclared superdelegates remaining (266.5) than pledged delegates left (217), the race has moved from the campaign trail to the back rooms. In calls with undecided party leaders this morning, we are not sensing any urgency for Clinton to make a campaign decision this week; she's going to be given plenty of breathing room. Don't expect a HUGE rush of big name superdelegates to Obama’s side. If he picks a bunch of folks, they'll be the lesser-known folks, the ones who want some early credit for getting on the bandwagon. Meanwhile, over at the Clinton campaign, there will be a lot of people asking them about money today now that there are reports she loaned more money to the cause. Did a bunch of supporters kick in money? We're guessing if they had, we'd already know. Speaking of, one thing about Obama's victory and near miss last night: They would not have been possible without his well-funded operation and that should also be something that impresses superdelegates. He performed when his back was against the wall. He ran up margins in early votes, in absentee votes and had a superior GOTV operation.

*** Questions galore: One of the things about last night that will make it very hard for Clinton to convince folks she has a rationale for continuing her candidacy beyond making a statement is that there will be a rush to analyze just how she got to this point: the brink of elimination from the presidential sweepstakes. Some questions we expect many a reporter, strategist and analyst to ask and purse over the next days and weeks: If Iraq is never the first BIG issue of the primary campaign, does Obama even have a rationale for running? What if Clinton had voted against the Iraq war resolution or apologized for it before 2007? Was Bill Clinton an asset or a liability? Could she have gotten this far without him? Did he prevent her from becoming the change candidate? Did Mark Penn's focus on making Clinton appear ready to be Commander in Chief in 2007 rather than thinking about the party's left flank in the primary ultimately doom her? Who remembers that it was Clinton, not Obama, who had more money raised and in the bank at the end of ‘07? What if Clinton skips Iowa? What if Florida had stayed on the March 4 primary day and she won Florida, Ohio and Texas all on the same night? So many what ifs... And so many more we're missing…

*** A prescient McCain: Of all states for McCain to be in today, there may not be a better one than Michigan. This is a state that will be square in the battleground in any race between Obama and McCain. The Michigan delegate dispute and Obama's attacks on the auto industry will make things tough on him in this state. Then there's the whole Reagan Democrat issue. Of all the blue states on the Kerry 2004 map, Michigan may be the most vulnerable to a flip in a Obama-McCain match-up. So on this day that some believe the general election may be unofficially starting, McCain's in Michigan. Timing is everything. 

*** On the trail: Clinton attends an event at Shepherd University in West Virginia with Chelsea and then holds a fundraiser in Washington, DC; McCain holds a town hall in Rochester, MI, goes to New York to tape Jon Stewart’s Daily Show, and then raises money in New York City; and Obama is down in Chicago with his family before returning to DC later in the evening.
 
Countdown to West Virginia: 6 days
Countdown to Kentucky and Oregon: 13 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 181 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 258 days
 
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I think that Rocky Balboa may have been delivered that knockout punch . I hope brain damage and pride wont stop him from throwing in the towel soon. Did Bill look a little flustered last night or what. I do have to say this about Hillary that woman has got one damn good poker face.Except when she does that psychoatic laugh that she is known for. I do give it to her on that poker face. Bill does not have that anymore he looked down right angry last night. I felt bad for Chelsea too she was very teary eyed. You know I almost saw a human side of the Clintons last night.Then I made the mistake of turning to CNN and heard Lanny Davis and the new metrics for Clinton and I was like wow. They really are that pathetic. The first things out of Lanny Davis mouth was the shame of FL and MI then he said it was Obamas fault they did not get a revote in those states. When David Gergan and many other people told him he was being slightly loose with the truth . He came back and said he did not blame Obama. All I am saying is somebody with a grip on reality needs to have a long talk with Clinton and her Campaign,the really should bow out gracefully so that that glimpse of human emotion I saw in them will take away the negative images in many peoples minds that used to love the Clintos .
The Obamamorons and their nastiness and bitterness against Hillary supporters, will soon understand that without us, Obama will have no chance in November.  You better start kissing our a**es now!
I think it is finally over, I can't wait for this debate to be taken to John McCain.

OBAMA 08!!!
Last night really changed nothing, other than the fact that time has run out for Clinton to make up any ground. The race really is over now, just like it was a few weeks back.

It is the media that kept this thing going much longer than it should have.

http://www.politivine.com
Its interesting to see the breakdown of the exit polls and compare it to the campaign rhetoric.  Obama's critics try to portray him as an egghead and an elitist.
The exit polls show he does much better than Hillary among African Americans, those under 65 years of age, and those with college educations.
That leaves Hillary with old, less educated, voters as her main support.
Why isn't she portrayed as an underachieving old fogey as opposed to Obama being portrayed as elitist?

After eight years of Bush won't it be refreshing to have someone in office who has a brain and isn't afraid of using it for fear of alienating their constituency?
Thank you North Carolina and Indiana!!


Yes We Can!
Man O’ Man… there are alot of dissapointed Hillary fanatics out there… she LOST fair and square. The reason why the MI and FL contest were fair for all candidates is because she agreed to the rules prior to the game being played… If she cared about the voters she would have made a huge uproar back when they originally decided to strip MI and FL of the seats…

But to not vote for Obama in the general and settle for 4 more years of Iraq, Economic depression, etc… Man you are all crazy!

Just a reminder… If your children are about to graduate this Spring… They will be eligable for the DRAFT!

6-7 tours of duty are not going to promote new enlistments… so when our military is that stretched thin we need new troops to replenish the ranks… and a DRAFT will be coming if you elect McBush and 4 more years of Bush policies..

The vote is yours…
Fine job Chuck. You are more than a numbers guy as you do accurately report what they say. It was a facinating instant when the MSNBC godfather (Tim Russert) proclaimed the Democrats now have a nominee.  He is right of course.  It seemed to be a hard night for Chris Matthews who was twice asked if this was the end of the road for Hillary.  First time he said "Yeah" second time a more subdued "Yes".  As always, Keith Olbermann did an outstanding job.  Sometimes you guys are more fun to watch than the election results.  

I was also facinated that your numbers breakdown done several weeks ago had a 51-49 Indiana split. It may have been your way of saying it would be close, but it all adds crediance to what you have to say.

With Hillary loaning herself another 6.5 million, donors must realize they are giving their money back to her---which is dumb idea.  

My prediction--Obama will beat McCain...with huge numbers.
OBAMA WINS HANDS DOWN!
Why is it that the media can't or won't report the truth?!
Hillary's win in Indiana was so slim in a state she where she expected to perform at least five times better!
Obama put a vice grip on the margin which is a win for him.
I agree with what someone said last night:  Hillary should continue on through May 20th.  Let her get moral victory in West Virginia, and another one in Kentucky.  Then Obama closes this thing out with a huge victory in Oregon.  In between time, they stop running against one another and run against John McCain and George Bush.  Obama should work out a deal where they split Michigan 50/50, Florida 55-45, and let her take credit for getting them seated.  Then on the night of May 20th, she should exit with grace in Kentucky.  

Then Obama should take on Wesley Clark as his VP after June 3rd in my opinion.  :-)
This article could not be more despondent.
when a predominantly black district has yet to report its assumed the demographics are going to provide a big bump for obama, which of course is true. but why did it have to be this way? early in the race mrs. bubba, the first lady of the the first black president, designate, was expected to be competitive in the black vote and in iowa and new hampshire, as small as those populations were in absolute numbers, she was. then came south carolina with its polarizing events (and bill's big mouth). after that hilary never looked back. she just gave up on the black vote. the media is focused on whether obama will ever break 40% of the white vote but, beginning with south carolina, clinton has never broken 10% on the black vote. she's, in fact, positioned herself as the candidate of the white working class. if she lost the black vote 5 to 1, instead of 10 or 11 to 1, then indiana's no longer a squeaker but obama's win in north carolina is. and given her positioning, it may be harder for clinton, as the white man's friend, to bring those black voters to the general - her electibility argument would certainly be stronger if she didn't seem to be alienating the black wing of the party to this great an extent. the election of the first black president was never going to occur without showing lingering divisions in the electorate but it looks to me that hilary's leveraging of those divisions has hurt her more than it's helped.
Hillary "Republican" Clinton got handed her walking papers by the great Tarheel State.  Time for her to show some class and bow out now gracefully.

Come on supers, time to join the ObamaNation.  We got game, political game.  We defeated the mighty Clinton political machine in the Democratic primary.  Join us as we send that ancient elitist panderer McCain into political retirement, where all Reagan foot soldiers belong!

Go Obama 08/12!
Go Hillary.

My wife and I made another $50 contribution to your campaign.
I have done my darnedest to remain open to voting for Clinton should she win the nomination FAIRLY, but her refusal to make a graceful exit in the face of impossible odds is really souring me. Unlike many of her supporters, I will vote for her in November, but I won't be happy. I will be a very unhappy American. Obama has been winning this thing fair and square all along, without the need for fancy footwork regarding the math or the need to  change the vocabulary (pledged vs "automatic" delegates), or the need to seat delegates won in illegal elections. It's time for Clinton to make an exit, and in grand Clinton fashion, she refuses. She is making this race entirely about her, when it should be about the will of the people and the good of the country. Does she honestly think that if she manages to win this nomination by underhanded, desperate means that she'll win in November? Because I can tell you with all honesty that she'll lose the youth and black vote. It won't be a matter of "refusing" to vote for Clinton. It will a matter of apathy and exhaustion and cynical heartbreak, and America will remember Clinton for that, and not for her "hard fought" primary race.
If Obama has good sense, and goodness knows he has, he will ask Hillary VERY nicely to be his running mate.  What a dynamite pair they would be!

Dredbear in Texas
Maybe this long Democratic nightmare will end soon! Thanks for all the calculations Chuck and team.  You guys are my numbers gurus.

It also sounds like the so-called nuclear option won't work anymore, which is a relief in that it means Florida and Michigan will likely get some punishment since it's a metric that no longer insures Clinton pushes ahead of Obama.  I hope you are correct about the punishment of half their delegates.  That would be fairer, although the DNC should have done what the Republicans did on the rogue states from the beginning.

*Crossing fingers this will end soon*
'backrooms."  when the clintons are involved, this becomes the scariest word in democratic politics.

The game changer is the 10+ million she lent herself.

Push it around the plate anyway you want to...

She'll drop out as soon as she has negotiated a deal with Obama to pay off her loans.

If he's smart, he'll say NO WAY!!  

But I'd be real happy to seat Fl and Mi for you  ;)

Let her carry the debt to herself - by herself.

So what does Barack Obama offer us?

Nothing but attacks on Hillary. He attacks Hillary on her health care plan. He attacks her gas tax holiday.

Stop attacking and offer us something besides hope.
What is that? Please help my family with jobs and health care.
Regarding 'Questions Galore', where did the $10 million that suppesedly came in overnight following the Pa. Clinton victory go?  Did anyone in the media verify this unbelievable claim?  If she raised that much, why did she have to loan her campaign another $6.4 million?  Has she paid the outstanding debts to the small business vendors yet?  Without stronger financial support for the working class, a demographic she claims to represent, how can she go on?  Where would her financial support for the general election come from?  Yes, questions galore indeed.
I am ashamed of my home state of North Carolina this morning.  I thought we were smarter.
To use clinton's terminology, Obama has been vetted beyond any measure of any previous candidate in any primary.....I think that question has been answered resolutely...and he has followed the DNC rules from the beginning.  McCain admitting he knows nothing about the economy should be preeminent on every voter's mind, regardless of whoever the dem nominee is in the end....I strongly feel Obama has more vision, a much more inclusive base of support and as the comparative "outsider" he is able to make objective, intelligent,long term policy-decisions regarding the most pressing issues of our country's present and future, especially Smart Growth, Smart Trade, Smart Planning, etc..without undue influence from PACS, lobbyists, etc.  Clintons' establishment ties are very similar to Bush's when they appointed "good buddies" who were inappropriate for the job and her only their self-interests in mind...substitute Big Pharma for Big Oil, etc....

What clintons fail to realize is the people hardest strapped actually donate whatever they can scrounge to Obama's history-changing campaign....for a promise of change which cannot come too soon.....by now, everybody knows the bs we have been force-fed for eight years...and we don't need more from clintons...

If Clinton "steals" the nomination, it will be widely known, at least to "intelligent" voters, that it is through nefarious shenanigans, and the dem party will cease to exist...
What a hilarious joke FR, McCain prescient?  He's just a lowly vulture scavenging for what little scraps are left to him in Michigan.  How about giving Obama his proper due that he's the prescient one who was able to whip the mighty Clinton political machine in her own party?

Now the supers need to join the ObamaNation to put the old nag out to pasture.  Then Obama can finally get to the business at hand of sending that ancient elitist panderer McCain into political retirement, where all Reagan foot soldiers belong!

Go Obama 08/12!
Know the winner, only the final count is to be determined.

Wow $6.4 + 5.0 million in loans.  How much does Bill get for speaking at 9 events?  I am sure he is not speaking for free.
1627 all along! Way back in Texas, 1627. In North Carolina, 1627. The bar has been moving higher and higher, but last night Barack Obama grabbed that moving bar firmly now that the campaign only needs 33 delegates for the majority!
For those who think Hill can pull it out at the Convention, imagine you're a superdelegate and try the following as a thought experiment:

The Michigan and Florida delegations are seated, even though they broke the rules, Obama's name was not on the ballot in Michigan and neither campaigned in Florida, if I recall properly.

Hill somehow manages to convince the delegates she's more "electable" (even though trailing in the popular vote and with limited success - compared to Obama - in fundraising) and gets the nomination.

Obama's core support consists of three groups:  dedicated liberals, blacks and young people.

The first group might donate, work and vote for Hill, probably with limited enthusiasm, but the other two groups would feel deeply betrayed, and, while not voting for McCain, would probably sit out the election, giving McCain a shot at pulling in Reagan Democrats and doing an upset.

So . . . as a superdelegate with the best interests of the Democratic party at heart, and concerned about down ticket impact, why would you vote for Hill at the Convention?
Congratulations America, and Sen. Obama!!!  We're on the road to winning back our country!

Bring on McSame.

OBAMA, 2008!

I watched Senator Obama on Meet the Press on last Sunday. The man has no clue when it comes to the foreign policy, the economy, defense, and on and on. Just more rhetoric and populist speeches from a man that has yet to take a stand on anything. He's just an awful candidate.

He won NC and many other primaries and caucuses due to the 90% plus support from the African American community. This is not the way to nominate a candidate.
Well it looks like MSNBC/NBC and Fox News may have won the campaign to decide who the Democratic nominee will be. Now it is on to their main goal of destroying Obama and giving us four more years of Bush/McCain.  
"The Michigan delegate dispute and Obama's attacks on the auto industry will make things tough on him in this state. "

I doubt that.  No one has abandoned this state more than the auto industry.  I'm not sure the unemployed auto workers will support anything favoring the auto industry.  They will be supporting initiatives that create jobs, though - no matter what industry that's in.
But, according to Wolfson and friends, only the white people that won't matter in November voted for Barack Obama. Black people, of course, have never mattered. Only states that don't matter went for Barack Obama - add the Tar Heel state to that column.
Hey Oregon. Please convince the Clinton campaign how little you matter, too!
Your headlines on MSNBC.com are so blantantly biased. CNN and Fox are at least questioning if Clinton can stay in, but you move full force ahead and throw her out. Your love affair with Obama has cost the democrats the election. I will NOT and have NOT voted for this man. I refuse to believe him when he says he didn't know about his preacher's anti-american comments. He is no better. He is a racist pig and he and his wife should crawl back under what ever rock they came out of. Hello another 4 years of Bush. I can't get any poorer than I already am and refuse to accept that this elitist will help me. I will be on the streets thanks to Obama.
"Whatever the case may be, the world is become too rational to extend to one person the acts of another.  Every one at present stands on the merit or demerit of their own conduct."

-Thomas Jefferson, 1792, in a letter to his daughter Martha Jefferson
The people have spoken. It's time to take down the old man. He needs to be called out for the numerous amount of gaffes and senior moments that he has had during this heated Dem. campaign. I wish the Clintons well, and hope they rally behind President Obama! DEMOCRATS FOR DEMOCRATS...LET'S TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!
It is my thought that Sen Clinton is only hanging on till the DNC, so if there is not an clear winner then enought will change to support her.  Unless she drops out and give her support to Obama.  I would like to see anyone else then these two running.  
FR get over the what if's of how many major screw ups Hillary "Republican" Clinton made in her farcical primary campaign.  The only what if that matters now is how badly will the ObamaNation trash that ancient elitist panderer McCain into political retirement, where all Reagan foot soldiers belong.  Long live the ObamaNation Revolution!

Go Obama 08/12!
BILLARY, please give it up. Your narrow success in Indiana 51% to 49% tells me you aren't the one to beat McCain!!!  GO OBAMA 08
the heir apparent is apparent no more. I guess the general election depends on who the Vice President pick is for both parties. For Obama, he needs to win over the Hillary base. For McCain, he needs to get the Reagan Dems and that means a youthful economy- wise choice. Hillary needs to rehabilitate the Clinton legacy and preserve her honor. She's a fighter and will go on, but I worry about her damaging her self even further.
Wow. they're getting pretty close.
Here's a great poll I found.
http://www.votenic.com
Cruel Intentions
...If destroying the Democratic Party is not ominous enough, there is a more alarming reason for staying in the race…money. As the saying goes, ‘money is the root of all evil’. Is there anything more evil than this…Senator Clinton has already loaned herself $5 million and now she has loaned herself another $6 million. Clinton needs to stay in the race to convince people to donate to her campaign so she could pay back the loans with their money, not hers. The same hard working people she claims she’s ‘championing’ for, is the same people she plans on robbing. Heck why pay back the loans with the Clinton’s $100 million net worth, when you could pay it back with money from people you duped into believing you still have a chance to win...

Michael Tomaso
The Tomaso Report, a political and opinion site
Checkmate and Match. Go Obama.

Now he can seat the Michigan and Florida delegations with some minor punishment like 25% fewer delegates, and even take just 40% of the vote in Michigan instead of 44% (the uncommitted), and appear generous. It is easy to be the king. The remaining vote splits probably won't be that weighted toward Hillary; her supporters in those states also know the race is over and they won't bother voting, or those on the fence will switch to the obvious winner.

This thing is shutting down, and not a moment too soon for me. Hillary has helped bring some issues out, that was a good thing, hopefully the media is growing weary of Wright, but it is a huge frakkin' mess now and Obama has work to do. Let's get on with it.
I hope Obama will:
Find a quick resolution to seating the Florida and Michigan delegates.
Offer to pay Clinton's campaign debt.
Offer Clinton the Keynote Address at the convention.
Obama/Rendell08
To everyone who is still talking about "electability" and how divided the Democratic Party is: Anyone else notice the "Operation Chaos" effect in Indiana?

When asked who they'd vote for in a Clinton/McCain match-up in November, 14% of Clinton voters don't plan to support her in the General.

To repeat: 14% of people who cast a vote for Hillary Clinton in Indiana DO NOT PLAN TO VOTE FOR HER IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

Look it up yourself: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#INDEM

Specifically: In a hypothetical Clinton-McCain match-up, 16% said they'd vote for McCain, and 41% of those were Clinton voters. (That's 16% x 41% = 6.6% of all voters in the primary.)  Similarly, 9% said they wouldn't vote at all in such a matchup, and 4% of those were Clinton voters.  (That's 9% x 4% = 0.4% of all voters in the primary.)  Altogether, that means that about 7% of the total don't plan on voting for Clinton in the general DESPITE voting for her in the Indiana primary -- and that works about to about 14% of all her supporters yesterday!

Even if you assume that this is a statistical aberration, she won by less than 2% ... the "Operation Chaos" voters outnumber her margin of victory by 5 to 1, so it would be an amazing coincidence for this to be anything but a real effect.

Rush Limbaugh is laughing at everyone right now.  It's one thing for Democrats to honestly decide to continue the process to vet both candidates as fully as possible, but it's quite another to drag it out for 2 months due to this sort of fraud.  Limbaugh and everyone who votes this way should be ashamed of themselves.
why is everybody reporting NC as 56-42.  I add total vote, divide appropriately and come up with 57.5 plus to 42.5 minus.  Spinning?
that was really good coverage last night guys that was a nailbiter good job!
I was really impressed with MSNBC's primary coverage last night. I don't have cable TV but I watched on my computer. I really felt like I was getting the inside scoop watching Todd, Olbermann, Russert and Tom Brokaw (sigh! I LOVE him.) You guys did a great job, and I don't usually hand out compliments to the media these days.
I am a numbers man too, Chuckie T. Love your work - power to the geeks.

I say count MI and FL as is. If she gets MI votes and delegates, give Obama the uncommitted votes and delegates. Give them each what they got in FL. Then I think no one has anything to complain about. And with that, Obama is the clear victor in both measurements.
Have all the absentee votes been tallied in Indiana? Just wondering if he could still pull off an itsy bitsy win, or close it within a few thousand votes!!
Congratulations to Barack Obama.  He will be the Democratic party nominee for President.  The only thing left to do is accept the nomination in Denver, and announce his running mate.  I continue to hope that he picks a female running mate, but not Hillary Clinton!  Don't scrape the bottom of the barrel.  There are plenty of qualified women for the ticket.  Please choose someone with integrity.  That automatically eliminates Hillary Clinton from consideration.

Obama in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.  Time for Hillary to go furniture shopping.  She won't be stealing any furniture from the White House any time soon.


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