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Clinton camp, the day after

Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:08 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Many of the arguments the Clinton campaign has been making on how their candidate should win the nomination have fallen away this morning.

Popular votes and Michigan-Florida have been the stuff of talking points and conference calls from the Clinton campaign for months. But on today’s day-after “State of the Race” call, those arguments as selling points to superdelegates have lost steam.

The popular vote
After Pennsylvania, the new talking point from the New York senator was that she was then winning the popular vote, that more voters had voted for her than anyone in the history of Democratic primaries. The only way that was true was if Florida and Michigan counted, and in Michigan, Obama was given zero votes, a hard sell to superdelegates to begin with.

That is no longer the case. Obama erased her Pennsylvania popular vote gains with his more than 230,000-vote victory in North Carolina -- even with those zero votes.

Michigan and Florida
The hope for the Clinton camp was that by seating the delegates from Michigan and Florida, it could substantially cut into Obama’s pledged delegate lead and overtake him in the popular vote. Neither looks possible now -- even if the campaign get the delegates seated based on the voting from those primaries. The campaign hopes it could get the pledged lead under 100 or close to it by seating those delegates the way it would want, spokesman Phil Singer said.

The DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee on May 31 “will consider two challenges,” Singer said. “We believe RBC will seat those delegates.”

But Singer acknowledged that neither of the two challenges the RBC will take up calls for delegates from Michigan and Florida to be seated in the way the campaign would most like -- with a net of 58 delegates. (Currently, by the NBC count, Obama leads by 166 pledged delegates. So even with the 58 delegates, Clinton would not get under 100. Potentially with blowouts in West Virginia, Kentucky and Puerto Rico, it’s possible.)

What’s left?
“I dispute that it’s a nullification strategy,” said Clinton strategist Geoff Garin, “because that suggests some delegates have more votes than others. …The rules of the party anticipate there will be people who’ve watched the process from beginning to end and make a good faith judgment on what’s best on behalf of the party and country.”

The only hope is to convince undeclared superdelegates that Hillary Clinton has the winning coalition for November, that she is more electable than Barack Obama and is polling better than him against John McCain in swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Hillary Clinton will make her case this afternoon on Capitol Hill in a meeting with undeclared elected superdelegates. It might be her last chance.

NOTE: The spin on the results last night… the campaign says it was down 8 points in Indiana 10 days ago. Aides called her win there a “significant accomplishment,” considering how Obama has done in other states neighboring Illinois. “It was a good victory under challenging circumstances,” Garin said. …The campaign added that Obama had called Indiana a “tiebreaker.” … They congratulated Obama on his win in North Carolina, but gave this caveat… “North Carolina does also represent progress for us,” Garin said, citing that they had done better with white voters last night than they had seen in internal polls earlier. …

Going forward, spokesman Howard Wolfson billed West Virginia as a “critically important key swing state in November” and a “critical test.” He added that Clinton predicted she would win West Virginia in the fall if she’s the nominee. …

The argument left to superdelegates: Clinton would be a better candidate against McCain;  Obama can’t win blue-collar voters; he hasn’t proven he can win swing states (though they don’t mention Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Virginia and Colorado). …

As far as money drying up, the campaign sees Clinton’s $11 million in loans to the campaign as her “commitment” to remaining competitive. There were also no proclamations of how much money had been raised after last night’s Indiana win, like the claimed $3.5 million in 24 hours after Pennsylvania en route to $10 million, which the campaign says it did raise.

QUOTABLE: “What are the rules of this? … There are no rules.” -- Geoff Garin, Clinton strategist.

(The context of this was Garin saying, “I expect that when we get to June 3rd, we’ll have a very close result, raising the question of how close is close. It’s a little hard to tell with Michigan and Florida.” He added that party leaders and elected officials do not have to “follow the pledged delegates. What are the rules of this?” He asked, do they have to vote their district, their state? “There are no rules. It’s about what’s in the best interest of the party.”

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This primary is like a baseball season where team Obama surprises everyone early in the season, and runs away from the rest of the teams, ie, team Hillary. Then, team Obama decides to take it easy towards the end, and team Hillary makes a phoney run for the division title, but comes in dead second.

Team Hillary is trying to tell the world that because theire team came in second Team Obama shouldn't be awarded the title/nomination.

Sorry, but second place will always be second place.
Nice job Hillary. Keep this thing going. Obama looks tired and weak, he's just waiting for that knock-out blow to land on his chin, probably coming from his own pastor.
I was rooting for Hillary but the handwriting is on the wall.  It is time to congratulate Senator Obama so I am doing just that!

I am still very sad by reading some of the hatred the Obama supporter are spewing.  Didn't they listen to him las evening?  He was very gracious.  Why aren't you?

I only hope that no skeleton's come out between now and November.  Obama better toughen up, Hillary is a fellow dem.  The republicans haven't even begun to dig and dig they will.

If their positions were flipped, since Super Tuesday,
the entire DNC would have pushed Barack Obama out
by now. Talk about a pass-Dorothy Go Home (now that she appears to have one in all 50 states, she has her
choice).
Currently, John McCain is ahead of Obama in Florida and Ohio and, incredibly,they are tied in Mass.  Clinton is ahead of McCain in each of these states.  Do the superdelegates really believe that Obama will be able to carry the crucial states of Florida and Ohio?
Billary is a Hitch!
Plain and simple, Hillary Clinton is a sore looser!!! She reminds me of the spoiled little rich girl in Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory that wouldn't take no for an answer. Hillary needs a time out.
Diane from Illinois --> if she were soooo electable, why hasn't she blown him out of the water before now?????? <---

Same question to Obama. Please, someone answer it! Lets be real, Democrats like neither of these two candidates. It's not that these are two great candidates, if they were, the voters would have backed one of them by now. That hasn't happened. And the reason is the Democratic voters don't like either of these two candidates. It's really time for the super delegates to get in a room, and draft a different candidate of theirs for the nomination. That's the only chance the Democrats for the election is this fall.
Plain and simple, Hillary Clinton is a sore looser!!! She reminds me of the spoiled little rich girl in Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory that wouldn't take no for an answer. Hillary needs a time out.
The arrogance of Hillary Clinton is amazing.  In the face of all her defeats, she wants to continue to "soldier on".  Someone please tell her to pack it in immediately, before we all drop from exhaustion.
Going forward, spokesman Howard Wolfson billed West Virginia as a “critically important key swing state in November” and a “critical test.”

He's on crack if he thinks West Virginia is a swing state.
There's only one person who can get her out of this race. A million dollars a day in campaign expense gets wasted while this poor kid stands on someone's porch trying to convince people to send her mother $5.

Wake up, Chelsea.
Hillary has been given a gift.  While her campaign desperately wanted a win, I am guessing they will soon find themselves happy with this loss.  She has been given a "timetable for withdraw" in two weeks.  She can win in WV and KY without going negative.  She could even stop running adds altogether and save some cash to pay all the old bills (and Bills).  At that point, with a little wind at her back, she announces that Obama has obtained a clear majority (as he will have just done) and commits her support to Democrats winning in Nov.

Behind the scenes, what we don't see is her asking NOT to be the VP in exchange for the Obama campaign taking on her debt, a few staffers (especially in OH and WV) and a promise to champion her causes (like NAFTA revisions and universal healthcare... which just happen to be his positions taken to the extreme).

What we will see is permanent Clinton presence in PA, OH, WV, and anywhere else she is worried he will not win.

I think the one thing we have to see soon is an Edwards endorsement.  Obama won NC by 14 points!  And the Edwards endorsement doubles when you consider both members of the couple are SDs.  Finally, the endorsement also comes with a more than modest handfull of pledged delegates from earlier primaries.

Would Edwards' delegates put BO over the majority threshold?  We'll see.
Look - Obama supporters, gloating is nice.  But, if you appear cocky, Clinton supporters will show you how they really feel come Nov-08.  

Stay Humble!
To "drk in tn"
" Obama is fearful of FL & MI. (lots of voters there who must have their dander up). If I lived in one of those states, I would be ballistic."

I am a 49 yr old white male from west Michigan. A veteran with some college, but no degree and a little over 50k yr. Let me tell you my friend, Senator Obama is not only electable in November, he has the possibility to win a landslide.
Senator Obama would defeat Senator Clinton in a fair election in my state and he will defeat McSame in November.
Of course I'm upset my state's contest isn't going to count. That is my states party's fault, not any of the contenders. Here in Michigan, we have one of the worst economies in the country. We can not afford to have a special election. We had our chance and the state party blew it. I did not vote on our election day because I knew it was not going to count for anything. It sucks. I don't like it, but I'm not going to make myself ill over it. Give me the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. You simply can not change the rules of the game once the contest has begun.  
I do not like any of the Clintons. Never have. I do not care for the type of campaign the Senator Clinton has run. I respect her right to run for the office though. It is more important to me that we treat each other with dignity and respect and we reach out to Clinton supporters to join our cause. It is "our" cause. We need everyone on our team to take this country back and give my son and his children a chance at the american dream. Let's find our common ground, respect differences, and move our country forward with the issues that unite us.
Still SPINNINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG.What part of you have lost do you not understand?This is the reason you are in the position you are in.The inabilty to be even a little truthful and constant moving the  posts or trying to change the rules,people are sick of your trash talking campaign.Throwing money at a bad idea rarely end with a positive result,Howard,Geoff you can't really belive your spin ,can you?
The bottom line...for me... is that both Hillary and Obama are viable candidates for the presidency. She is investing her own money because she believes in what she is doing. That speaks volumes for me.  Obama has take the country into a great race and I find that a breath of fresh air.  I really like him BUT, my vote is still for Hillary. Why? She is a great person as well.  She will be a great President.
She has ready been there and you know what I mean.

I really like Obama but he lost a lot of my respect when Oprah went on tour with him.  This is not daytime TV and a book club. And, I really like Oprah, I simply think she is too much on a campaign trail.  I want a President who can stand on their own 2 feet. What I am afraid of is that McCain will win against Obama.  Why? There are still too many closed minded people in the country.  Especially after the Rev. Wright fiasco, and YES, it will matter to people who are already concerned.  Wright pretty much sealed Obama's fate with his bitter idiotic remarks.  And, I don't think he cares, he just wants a book deal.  And,now he has it.

I fear that our country cannot take another run like we have had for the past 8 years.  Our country is in ruins, we have lost so much respect in the rest of the world and we need a new leader to help us get it back.

I would love to see an Clinton/Obama ticket!  I would love to see her take the reins for 8 years and him take it the next 8.  TOGETHER...they could bring us back to the glory we used to be !  

Seating the Florida and Michigan delegations should be done. Penalties should be assessed, otherwise the party cannot control primary date movements at the whim of the states.

The rules need to be reworked so that there are clear guidelines for state organizations that find themselves being "hijacked" by the opposing party when they are controlling the primary timetables. Alternative funding options need to be established in these cases.

I believe that the DNC needs to follow the lead of a known master organizer like Obama in this regard. I can only see continued increased strength in the Democratic Party and the DNC if we start making our moves to address these situations NOW! We cannot have this situation develop again in the future.

We need to all realize that Political Parties are indeed private organizations; and as such, will need to take the policy and financial steps necessary to insure that they are not at the mercy of the opposing party in any situation.

With that said, all should realize that a fair and equitable seating of the FL. and MI. delegations will not change the outcome for the Clinton Campaign.


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