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Clinton: The post-mortems?

Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:13 AM by Mark Murray

Time’s Tumulty has the first big post-mortem. She lists five major mistakes made by the Clinton campaign, “each of which compounded the others”:
1 . She misjudged the mood: “Clinton completely misread the mood of Democratic primary voters, who were desperate to turn the page.”
2 . She didn’t master the rules: “Clinton picked her team primarily for their loyalty to her, instead of their mastery of the game.”
3 . She underestimated the caucus states: “While Clinton based her strategy on the big contests, she seemed to virtually overlook states like Minnesota, Nebraska and Kansas, which chose their delegates through caucuses.”
4 . She relied on old money: “Something had happened to fund-raising that Team Clinton didn’t fully grasp: the Internet.” Tumulty writes that Clinton tapped out big donors early on and had trouble recruiting new ones, while Obama encouraged his donors to give in small increments over the web.
5 . She never counted on a long haul: “Clinton’s strategy had been premised on delivering a knockout blow early … What surprised the Obama forces was how long it took her campaign to retool” after Iowa.

The New York Times: “After 16 years, the Clinton era may be coming to an end, presenting Democrats with a historic but potentially wrenching transition and a challenge to Senator Barack Obama as he seeks to reconcile a deeply divided party.”

The Wall Street Journal looks at Obama's financial prowess and notes that one of the reasons he apparently pulled this off.

Clinton "met privately with uncommitted superdelegates in Washington, including Reps. Chris Carney of Pennsylvania and Tim Mahoney of Florida."

NBC/NJ’s Mike Memoli reports that Clinton got a double dose of support last night as she spoke to an enthusiastic crowd of women at a fundraiser that netted more than $1 million for her campaign. Building on a mostly warm reception (there were some Code Pink shenanigans), she swore that there “is no cause for nervousness” in seeing the nomination fight play out. “We will bring our party together because anybody who voted for Sen. Obama or who voted for me has hardly anything in common with Sen. McCain,” she said. “But too many people have fought too hard to see a woman continue in this race, this history making race, and I want everybody to understand that. There is no cause for alarm. Sometimes you gotta calm people down a little bit.”

“When I was counted out in New Hampshire, it was the women of New Hampshire who came back and said no, she’s not finished yet,” Clinton also said. “When I was counted out before Super Tuesday, it was women from California to Massachusetts who came and said no, we’re not finished yet… We have always come back, and it is not so much about my comeback it is about our comeback and more importantly it is about America’s comeback.”

Clinton seemed energized by the crowd, Memoli adds. She came out to “I’m Every Woman,” as many in the audience waved their napkins as if they were Terrible Towels. “I heard it several dozen times as I came in: keep going, keep fighting, don’t quit, stand up for us, be there for us, let's make sure that we have a real opportunity for everyone's voices to be heard, and everyone's votes to be counted,” she said. “And that is what I am doing and I intend to do.”

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I think #2 is the killer for her...and boy does it go to judgment.  It also links her to George Bush.  Two aspects of her do.  That loyalty above everything else thing (OMG, Carville on Bill Richardson so communicated that!!) and her refusal to see the writing on the wall in staying in the race.  It reminds me of Bush on Iraq so much (the refusal to listen to anyone but himself/herself).
Senator Barack Obama & his campaign understood that the American people we're worn out from Never being noticed until election time.They asked for public financing( The Voter)& received overwhelming support.With that public financing, they were able to continue Howard Dean's 50 state strategy from 2006 & look where it's taken them.No state was ignored in their qwest for votes & it payed off, Bigtime.

Senator Clinton used her $ & name to campaign in states that were gonna vote democrat anyways, therefore Ignoring most of America. She has No one to Blame but herself for her Defeat.

I get to cast my Vote for the next POTUS in less than 2 week's.

That vote goes to Barack Hussein Obama!
Please make sure every caucus state is also heard.

Reject the popular vote argument because it does not count 14 states who held caucuses.
She never counted on a long haul: Clinton’s strategy had been premised on delivering a knockout blow early.
********************************************************'

Indeed.  The Clinton camp never saw Obama coming.

Sure, there was talk that he gave a great speech in 2004 - but I'm sure they saw no threat in the lanky fellow from Chicago.

Obama, not Clinton, is the true come-from-behind candidate.  If you would have told anyone in the media two years ago that a guy from Chicago who's in his first term in the U.S. Senate, is black and is named Barack Hussein Obama would be the Democratic party nominee for the presidency in 2008 - you would have been laughed out of the room.

Yes. We. Can.

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I don't agree with these women, who are sore losers. They are in default of their feminist mantra, to want special treatment in this primary. They want the rules not to apply to Hillary. They do not want the votes of everyone who follower the rules, to be seen as important as theirs. They want to be spotted a victory, by discounting AA votes, caucases, small states, and broken rules.
YUCKY. More Clinton Propaganda. It's over no matter how many women told you to keep going. What would happen in the media if Obama had a "Guys Dinner" Clinton would cry "Boys Club, Boys Club" "No Fair" but Clinton can have a womans dinner and its alright.  
You know, you would think with all this talk, there are no women for Obama.  Guess what, THERE ARE WOMEN FOR OBAMA.  There are voters on both sides voting for candidates NOT because of their gender.  Go figure!

Please keep in mind that in a country where women make up much more of the people that go the polls (versus men), year after year, Obama is winning by every metric.

For those of you, like Lisa in NY, who feel they still can't tell their daughters a woman can be President if Hillary doesn't win, I'll share this conversation I had with my kids in the car yesterday.  They (an eight and six year old white boy and girl) absolutely believe both women and people of color can be President, they have no issue whatsoever supporting someone quite apart from identity politics, as my daughter said, she is a white girl for Obama.  She doesn't want to be President but she does believe that  a woman can be President.  Watch out for my son though, he does want to be President.

My point, there are a lot of wonderful, capable, qualified, experience women in leadership positions in all aspect of society today.  And some of them are even supporting Obama.  That's what equality is, supporting the candidate you feel is the best choice.

Women for Obama
I think the TIME piece is pretty fair...

Go back to when Senator Clinton announced her candidacy...she put a video on the internet while Senator Obama took the traditional route and held a rally in Illinois.  Looking back, the Senator Clinton in that video is nowhere near the Senator Clinton who won Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and the Texas primary.

I don't think her campaign was prepared for anything past Super Tuesday and I don't think anyone expected Senator Obama to mount the serious challenge (John Edwards would have been the better bet for a challenge).

Don't call the Clinton Era over just yet.  I believe as part of the brokered deal that will seat delegations from Florida and Michigan you will see Senator Clinton ultimately with either a cabinet post (If healthcare is her big thing, Dept of Health and Human Services?) or some form of Senate leadership (majority leader or whip).  VP, I think, is out...he wouldn't offer and she wouldn't accept.

Meanwhile, I think she can take West Virginia as a sort of curtain call.
pandering to the woman vote. mts
This is the first oppurtunity for the American People to see how each candidate manages things. I must say I am impressed with the Obama and the team he has put together, not only has he energized many new voters and young people (something you see once in a lifetime) but they took on icons in their own party and did a heck of job. Looking at how each campaign was managed, I want the Obama team managing my Whitehouse.
The Clinton's never had a chance. Those with out common sense, thought this was a no brain-er. Thus living in the past is hollow foresight. There it is in a nut shell
I am wondering if the US is ready for a black
man as their president.O'Reilly has made this
statement clear.Hillary is in fact waging her
election campaign on behalf of a 3rd term for her husband Bill.If this was Putin doing this there would would be an uproar in the US.Her place is in the
senate or maybe as governor of N.Y.
uproar from the US
Hillary, it was a good fight, but please don't damage Obama in trying to get your point across to the bitter end.  I have supported y'all since you came to Austin prior to the 1992 election, through all the Lewinsky cr*p, Whitewater, etc. But it just isn't going to happen for you - please face it.  Stay in until the 20th, when you win Kentucky and Obama wins Oregon, then you can bow out gracefully, leaving on a 'high' note, but throwing your FULL support behind Obama when you do.  There is no question about it - we HAVE to win this thing in November, and you are an important part of this party, but PLEASE no negativity towards him anymore.  Don't give McCain any ammo to use against him - there is enough ridiculous empty threats out there already.
Does this mean that she will be fighting all men ?
As a woman--a white middle-class mom who works full-time and is college-educated, I feel that Clinton has fought a good fight, but it's over now.  She is wrong to ask people for more money at this point.  Hopefully, Clinton's effort will make it easier for another strong woman to run in the future.  Her time has not been wasted, in my opinion. It's just her time for this race has run out.

My vote counts doesn't it?  And I vote for Obama. Let's come together as a party and support him for President!
So Hillary says because she has a double XX chromosonal makeup that this entitles her to keep dredging out this process?  While I am very happy that a woman is running for the nomination there is a point where she should quit defending her losing campaign by invoking a female right to carry on.  I agree that sexism exists in politics and in general, however, for her to rely on this as a reason for staying in does more harm to women because the perogative is "because I am a women" and not because "I am winning" or "I am the best candidate"
A result of the last 2 months certainly includes a deeply divided Democratic party.  It will be a miracle if Obama can heal the wounds the Clintons have caused. Obama is going to have to "transcend" the idea of "the Democratic Party" if he expects to bring Dems together to defeat McCain.  Only thing on Obamas side is that McCain is a very weak Republican candidate.
I hope the Dem party has not been kidnapped by the Clintons who have been so corrupted by power. The 16 year Clinton era must be ended, otherwise the purpose of democracy will be defeated.
At some point of time, perseverance turns into arrogance or what I call 'blinders syndrome'. Its a very bush-like quality, he sees what is going on in Iraq but refuses to acknowledge or lead any change in strategy. Such people continue to ignore facts and instead go with the stated goal whatever be the fallout. Hope she sees the light and is able to rescue herself before she damages her reputation completely.
She underestimated Obama from Day 1. Her campaign thought this was going to be a cake walk to the oval office. Little did they know (or adjust to)that the American people desperately "need" a change in Washington. The same old politics hasn't worked and we need to be on a different path. Those who don't think Obama is "ready" are foolish. How does one become "ready"? George Bush STILL isn't ready and he's been there for 7 years! JFK wasn't "ready" either, according to some. Obama is smart and will surround himself with experts that will help....hasn't be proved that with his campaign staff? Get ready, world, a change is a comin' to Washington and I'm proud to help him get there!
Hillary may have ran a bad campaign n cost her the nomination but that does not mean Obama will be a better nominee to defeat McCain or will make a better President this fall. They are 2 different thing altogether. Some are just genius at ruuning campaigns, with all the inspiring speeches etc but when come to governance, the proof of the pudding, its just awful and mediore.
It will be interesting to see if the smell of defeat around her campaign eventually begins to erode her support.  West Virginia will be a significant test of that, since she's favored to win there.


Karen Tumulty says in that piece in Time what I've been saying for a few months now: Hillary's inability to score a decisive victory on Super Tuesday nullified her chances to win this nomination. Every Hillary supporter should read this and ask yourself how she's the better-qualified candidate when she can't even run her campaign properly; and every PoliSci student should read it as a case study on how NOT to run a campaign.
Two words: Clinton Fatigue.  No, she is not helping the party, and she is not doing women any favors by showing that women can act like Karl Rove too. She needs to see a therapist to deal with the imaginary snipers.  And Chelsea, who went along with the sniper lie, needs help as well.
good for you Hillary. Shows a big difference between Hillary and Obama and why he is thought Elietest. He is after his own Ego Hillary is for every person to be able to feel there vote is important as it is. We dont know what may happen yet so keep pullin for us Hillary
I'm every woman???????
Excuse me. I am woman. I dont have testicles. I would never tolerate a cheating husband. I do not lie. I am old (Not Dead). I am an American. I owe no loyalty to any party. I think Democratic so I vote democratic. I will vote what is best for my country and for the future in spite of any nit-picky personal biases. I want a President who will represent me and my country to the World.
Obama '08  
Hillary, a few breaths less than dead, is already being autopsied.

WHY does she keep playing the gender card?  If Obama played the race card like that, he'd immediately be out!!
I would like to think that what is happening is the people are tired of the same old game being played on them. Politics as uausal is not going to work again this year. Hillary and Bill have been shown to be wrong for the wrong reasons. Their credability is in question and she has turned into a monster. She is compromise, Obama is fight for what is right. The general election is going to be against NcCain who has already said he is a bush rubber stamp. This is basically a no brainer.
Obama is a divider. He will never undo the damage he has done and is still doing. By haveing everyone do his dirty work once again by trying to shut down the process again he is not helping himself with working people. I still want to know what changes he has in mind. He wont tell the truth about anything only in dibs and drabs. His followers will never find a fault with him no matter how horrid it is till to late.He read another great speech. Again his writers dug him out. He couldnt say when couple times he was given the chance why he loves America so writers and his reading  did the job.Not him.Like the race speach. He wouldnt ans questions but his writers wrote inspirational and he head super it was taken care of. Has he stopped giveing allegiance to Africa?This is the country his allegance should be about.We need time to get to know him better.Keep going Hillary let all voices be heard.
And I thought it was because her campaign's response to getting her ass handed to her in Iowa was to drive a wedge between blacks and the rest of the Democratic Party.
The comments from the crowd and her comments really highlight a problem I have with most of Hillary's supporters and some of Obama's supporters: they are basing their vote on either their sex or their race, not the issues or integrity of the candidate.

If these people were to actually look at the candidates, you would see an intelligent candidate with a firm grasp of reality on what can be accomplished and how to accomplish it (Obama) and an intelligent candidate who has lied about her past and the other candidate, offers 'solutions' that not only won't get implemented but make no sense to the experts and is so full of hubris she can't understand why everyone doesn't just give her what she feels entitled to (Clinton).

If she manages to steal the nomination from Obama, I may or may not vote for her.  I won't vote for McCain but if she does manage to steal the nomination, my voting for her will depend entirely on who she picks for her running mate, how she conducts her campaign and whether she has learned anything from the primary campaign.
You know, I've been feeling sorry for her of late, but now I'm beginning to wonder.  I am an older white woman and I deeply resent having the gender card tossed in my face.  It's as if no one but Hillary can speak for women and that's a crock!  Many of us are speaking for ourselves...in the voting booths...and the votes are going to Barack Obama.
There is much talk of how Clinton mis-managed her campaign.  But what about Obama's brilliant management of his campaign?  So far, his has arguably been the best run candidacy in recent memory.  Certainly in my lifetime at least (40 some years).  And if that is any indication of how he will manage this country, then we will be in good hands with Obama as president.
***“I’m Every Woman,” ***

She's not this woman. Although I'm a 50 year old white woman, I'd never vote for Hillary Clinton.

She's shown us time and time again that she doesn't respect us as individuals. She's like a predator going after votes, willing to say anything, willing to rip apart anyone who gets in her way. If she thinks the women's vote will get her the nomination, she'll pretend to be on their side, saying what she thinks they want to hear. It's a game for her, and her desire for the top office is power and ego driven.

Where in all of those areas did Clinton prove herself the best able to run the country.  I don't understand why the Democratic higher powers are in such fear of offending the Clintons.  She is clearly looking out for herself, without regard to what her actions do to this year's nominee or the party.  Bill Clinton further alienated the black vote by completely ignoring them while campaigning in these last two races.  Step up, Supers, before she does further damage ... no one believes she won't try to give a negative message about Obama in the upcoming primaries.
Expanding on #1...

1.1) SHE DID NOT ADAPT. Obama changed the playing field early on - he thoroughly laid out what was wrong with Washington and what needed to be changed. "It's not the policies, it's the process." A new political paradigm had been defined, where civility and cooperation were touted as the key elements to being an effective politician. But Clinton continued to play by the OLD rules - win at all costs, go negative if you have to, and lie lie lie. Meanwhile Obama played by the new rules he established at the onset. So every time she went negative, it blew up in her face. But she didn't catch on to that, she failed to adapt. And so her response to that? Go MORE negative. And when she tried to pander, it blew up in her face; it only ended up serving as a perfect example of the "old politics." In short, she ran a 20th Century campaign in the 21st Century.

And more serious mistakes:

6) SHE WROTE OFF THE BLACK VOTE. As soon as Obama started to get better numbers with black voters, she too easily wrote them off and just assumed that they would automatically vote for Obama. So instead of trying to campaign vigorously to KEEP her black support high (because it WAS at first), she kept sending Bubba to talk to the black crowds, as if she couldn't be bothered because she was courting the "more important" white voters. Then, of course, came the race baiting. Game over. Conversely, Obama never wrote off any demographic. When he was told "you can't win <fill in the blank>," he merely said "yes I can" and went after them vigorously. He took no one for granted.

8)SHE ASSUMED. I think she spent too much time over the last four years imagining what her Presidency would be like, instead of concentrating how she would get there. The air of entitlement was obvious, and was quite a turnoff. Moreover, she assumed that she could simply claim "35 years of experience" without actually having to back it up. When people started to ask her to qualify that, she came out with a series of whoppers like peace in Ireland, Bosnia, etc. People started to realize that her resume was padded.

9) NAFTA. She was for it. It's on record. She should have simply owned up to it and come up with a better explanation as to why her opinion has changed.

10) MOOD SWINGS. Cry. Yell "shame on you!!!". Compliment. Laugh/cackle hysterically. Whine and complain. Then complain about someone else when they complain. Then, finally, threaten to "OBLITERATE" another nation (where, believe it or not, millions of innocent civilians live). Sorry, but the President needs to have a steady temperament - Hillary failed that test miserably.
Any rational observer can see the longer this drags on the more it helps McCain -- while the Supreme Court is not getting any younger -- so this helps women how, exactly?

Clinton is showing her true colors.
We have Mrs. Clinton who refuses to quit even though she is hurting her party.  In Ohio we have Mark Dann (also a democrat) refusing to leave office after a scandal and calls from his own party that he step down.  Both of them prove that they only care about themselves.  So much for dems caring about the "ordinary" person HA!
These woman make me sick. Can you imagine the backlash if Obama said he was in this for African Americans and so on and so forth? Why is this double standard never mentioned? MSNBC, are you listening??
6.  got caught up in money bundlers who were crooks
7.  Chinese dishwashers with no addresses
8.  A bad tipper
9.  A bad liar
10. Trying to show she was a bar hopper
11. married to Bill Clinton
12. Caught up in her hubby's shady deals
13. bad ideas, never was believed they could be done
14. playing the race card
15. crying in public
16. not a good keeper of money
17. $11,000 pizza bill
18. the five answers to illegal aliens and licenses
19. bullying her supporters
20. can't operate a coffee pot.

Hillary Clinton
Turn out the lights, the party's over....
So much for having experience....
The Fat Lady sang and been singing for sometime now...Time to go home and take care of Billy Bob.
Oh, Good Lord.

I cringe for my sex.  What is wrong with these women?  She's Chaka Khan now?  

Those contests were held when it was still MATHEMATICALLY POSSIBLE for her to win.  Even if every woman in the upcoming primaries vote for her, IT'S OVER.  That $1M is going right back into her pocket.

I guess if they want to throw their hard earned money away and into the coffers of a multi-millionaire then it's their choice.  I just don't see the sense in it.
Problem with Hillary is that she seemed invincible a year ago. Now she is the Queen of De-Nile. She will be why the Democrats will lose in November. Too sad, but understandable given her character and personality.
I have been reading statements from leading democrats such as Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy claiming that voters who have supported Clinton will be in the fold come November.

Wrong!

Democrat for life voting Republican slate hoping they retake the House, the Senate and the Presidency.

Hopefully, this will force my party to rebuild and restructure or cause the formation of a third party.  I can not and will not support the senator from Illinois.  I can no longer be a part of a party that has such great divisions and is about to take a sharp left hand turn away from the middle.  I can not and will not support a man who attracts such vile hateful supporters.  I can not support a man whose words I do not trust, a man who has shown no actions as a senator to excite me in any way about his ability to lead my party and be president of my country.

McCain and the Republicans in 08 so those of us abandoned by our party can find a new path, be it a rebuilt Democratic Party as this decade ends or a Third Party of left-centrists!!!!
All those old white women who say they will vote for McCain instead of Obama if HRC does not get nomination were never going to vote for a black anyway.

I am black woman, and I was never going to vote for HRC. And I am here to say to those old white women that we (Obama supporters) don't need you.

Also, we blacks have being living in this country forever with only whites leaders, we have been living here for the past 7 years with GWB as our leader. I am certain we can survive 4/8 years of McCain.

And though I will never vote for a republican, I would rather have Mccain as POTUS than HRC any day.
Of course Mr. Obama will be POTUS, with or without certain whites(men or women)who can't stand the idea of a black first family in DC.

Just look at all the roadblocks the Obamas have crossed already. Barack overtook the giants in democratic party. THE CLINTONS. So to all you whites that won't vote for Obama, my advise to you is keeping underestimating to power that blacks NOW have in this country.    
at least your allowed to say people afraid of clinton machine. we are censored if we say why are they scared of black voters?The blacks send threatening letters shown on tv and have been bulling the vote from beginning. The race wedge was exacuted by Obama and it worked immensly. When ever a large portion of state is black it is automatticzally put in his colume but guess what the silent amjority(white workers)Have a force to recon with too but it will be to late if Obama gets it they wont vote for him or his ego. The messiha isnt for everyone . we arent his select ones. These posts are an example of how he is not the one to bring unity to this country.We dont get smucked one day and loved the next so take your golden boy and shove it clowny
tiffany-   He isnt??? Hahahahboy if you believe other wise you have a prob.Theres room under that bus for quite a few yet
They didn't mention what I thought was her fatal mistake.  She lost the most energized section of the Democratic party, the anti-Iraq war voters, when she refused for far too long to admit her war authorization vote was a mistake. She also took far to long to get on board with a withdrawal plan and timetable. I am sure many voters looked elsewhere as I did and by the process of elimination in the primaries ended up with Barack Obama. I think the pundits have blinders on when they ignore the effect of the Iraq war trauma on the voters.


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