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Clinton drop out watch

Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:16 AM by Mark Murray

Lots of Clinton backers and undecideds are talking on the record. “‘The air is completely let out of them,’ said first-term Rep. Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania, who is uncommitted to either candidate, referring to the Clinton supporters among his congressional colleagues. ‘They are resigned to the fact that it's probably not going to work out.’”

Sen. Chuck Schumer, per the New York Post: "It's her decision to make and I'll accept what decision she makes," he said.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein told The Hill: "I, as you know, have great fondness and great respect for Sen. Clinton and I'm very loyal to her," Feinstein said. "Having said that, I'd like to talk with her and [get] her view on the rest of the race and what the strategy is. I think the race is reaching the point now where there are negative dividends from it, in terms of strife within the party."

The Los Angeles Times: “‘It's a tough race,’ said Don Fowler, a former national Democratic Party chairman and Clinton superdelegate from South Carolina. ‘If things had been a little better in North Carolina, we would be stronger than we are today. But the game's not over till it's over.’”

“‘She has to look realistically at the vote [Tuesday] and decide what's best for her candidacy, what's best for the country, what's best for the party,’ said Democratic Rep. Dale E. Kildee, a longtime Clinton backer.”

“‘Let's have the people have their say,’ Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski of Maryland told the crowd, which included some congressional supporters. ‘We're riled up. We're revved up. We're ready to go.’”

Nancy Pelosi of California, the speaker of the House, was among those on Wednesday giving Mrs. Clinton room to make her own calculations about the race, saying ‘a win is a win,’ in reference to the Indiana results. ‘The race is alive and well and will continue,’ she told reporters.”

“‘It’s hard to answer that question; she has lost in North Carolina, but it looks like she won Indiana, which everyone expected,’ said Alan Patricof, one of Mrs. Clinton’s national finance chairmen. ‘I think she’s committed to going forward, but it’s hard to know. She is the one to make the decision about what she does. And a lot of us have trust and faith in her to make the best decision.’”

"Clinton advisers said they were concerned that the candidate’s online fund-raising, which boomed after her victory in the Ohio primary in March and in Pennsylvania in April, had slowed by comparison on Tuesday night and Wednesday, and that her donor base was either tightening somewhat or playing wait-and-see, despite her public appeal for money on Tuesday night. Clinton aides did not send out the near-hourly e-mail blasts bragging about online donations that came after previous successes."

So what is the Clinton case for staying? "Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests. ‘I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,’ she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article ‘that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.’”

“Clinton's blunt remarks about race came a day after primaries in Indiana and North Carolina dealt symbolic and mathematical blows to her White House ambitions. The Obama campaign, looking toward locking up the nomination, stepped up pressure on superdelegates who have the decisive votes in their race."

The Washington Post: "Clinton needs to prevent Obama from winning endorsements from a substantial number of uncommitted superdelegates before the primaries end. ‘If enough move, that's it,’ one Clinton adviser said. The Clinton team booked a room at a Capitol Hill restaurant for a meeting with superdelegates. The campaign described it as a casual gathering for their liaisons but canceled it when told that the House was in an uproar over the housing bill and so nobody could come.”

“Clinton did meet with some uncommitted superdelegates individually. House Budget Committee Chairman John M. Spratt Jr. (S.C.) told her cordially that his state had gone overwhelmingly for Obama, and that he could not endorse her, Spratt spokesman Chuck Fant said. He pledged to stay neutral for now. One Clinton adviser, speaking on the condition of anonymity to be frank, said: ‘If the supers weren't buying it before, it's hard to see how they'll buy it now.’”

The Washington Post editorial page basically proclaims Obama the Dem nominee in its lead editorial today under the header: "Mr. Obama Moves On."

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Alright, I am frustrated with the Hillary supporters. How dare you assume that your vote is worth more than the Obama supporters. I am reading comments from people that I am a blue collar worker, white woman etc and I will boycott Obama to show the democratic party how serious I am about voting for McCain. First, we are all Americans. Stop with the labels of white woman, blue collar nonsense. Second, blue collar workers are not all white. There are black, latina, asian etc . Third, Obama supporters represent blue collar, white collar, educated, young, middle age etc contrary to what you may think. We are all democrats and need to untite. stop the divisions.
It's time for Clinton to do the decent thing and drop out. It seems that it is merely her ego which keeps her going, and that she is unable to see the humiliation coming when she is eventually forced out. She'd do better for herself if she saved some dignity and let go now. However, with all her manipulations about which states don't count, agreeing that Michigan and illinois wouldn't come into play and then going back on that agreement, I'm tempted to suggest that she has no dignity and should carry on, be humiliated and drop out of sight forever.
Tuesday was a disaster for her - worse than the published numbers suggest: it is nonsensical to round the percentages up or down to the nearest full point when the marginall is so small: you (and all the other media) published a 2 point victory for Clinton, when it was actually only 1.1 points!
Get it in your heads people, she isn't going to give up no matter the cost to her, the party, or the country.  Be prepared to watch her being carried away from the Convention!
Now that the money will only be coming from her (and Bill's) personal wealth we will probably see it all come to a grinding halt. There is nowhere left to go. Even if the MI and FL delegates are seated according to her wishes (how dare she, when Obama was not even on the ballot in MI) Obama's lead is insurmountable. It's over Senator Clinton!
I have been reading statements from leading democrats such as Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy claiming that voters who have supported Clinton will be in the fold come November.

Wrong!

Democrat for life voting Republican slate hoping they retake the House, the Senate and the Presidency.

Hopefully, this will force my party to rebuild and restructure or cause the formation of a third party.  I can not and will not support the senator from Illinois.  I can no longer be a part of a party that has such great divisions and is about to take a sharp left hand turn away from the middle.  I can not and will not support a man who attracts such vile hateful supporters.  I can not support a man whose words I do not trust, a man who has shown no actions as a senator to excite me in any way about his ability to lead my party and be president of my country.

McCain and the Republicans in 08 so those of us abandoned by our party can find a new path, be it a rebuilt Democratic Party as this decade ends or a Third Party of left-centrists!!!!
It's time for Clinton to do the decent thing and drop out. It seems that it is merely her ego which keeps her going, and that she is unable to see the humiliation coming when she is eventually forced out. She'd do better for herself if she saved some dignity and let go now. However, with all her manipulations about which states don't count, agreeing that Michigan and illinois wouldn't come into play and then going back on that agreement, I'm tempted to suggest that she has no dignity and should carry on, be humiliated and drop out of sight forever.
Tuesday was a disaster for her - worse than the published numbers suggest: it is nonsensical to round the percentages up or down to the nearest full point when the marginall is so small: you (and all the other media) published a 2 point victory for Clinton, when it was actually only 1.1 points!
Hillary says she the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests. ‘I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on. What?????
LoL… Is that why she is/has clung to Rev Wright as a race card; minimized Dr King’s struggle by saying a White, President (Johnson) should be credited for Civil Rights, used rural, uneducated people, (probably the KKK)  to say Obama can’t be elected (code word he’s BLACK).
Are you aware his office was vandalized and racial epithets were written on the windows, plus the flag was stolen? And workers had to evacuate an office due to a bomb threat. That is WHITE RACISM prompted by Hillary’s covert actions. In my opinion, she is a gutless woman because she didn’t have to go there. If she had stuck to the issues rising racial tensions would not be surfacing.
I have a news flash for you: Whites have voted for Barack and more will b/c people are hip to Hillary

Maybe Hillary has another new rule--Unity.  Yesterday she said under the Republican rules e.g. "winner takes all”. Until she officially bows out; she'll help Obama. But, Obama must pay her campaign debt. philosophy

In addition to her "states of denial" (pun intended), I see another critical state.  Hillary's campaign is broke which is due to mismanagements. I can’t see her managing this nation’s economy because of this (one of her imperfections); I'm not sneering; I’m serious.  We're all human; make mistakes; but we usually learn from those. Hillary hasn't. Florida, Michigan, West Virginia, the rest of the states, winner takes all, momentum, Obama is not electable; or whatever she conjures the numbers just are not there.
I suggest one of Hillary's New Rules should be studying accounting 101.

Next, REALLY help Obama; and don’t change the game again. Unity to the party is needed. Then she can bow out gracefully; if you’re planning your future in Republican rules.
Personally, I think; Obama is and will be the nominee, he has the most popular votes, pledged delegates, and superdelegates; plus many people are leaving her camp b/c she is a desperate, lying, hypocrite of a woman.
Admittedly, I'll vote for her; if she gets that far, no more right-wing Supreme Court Justices are needed!

McSame/ Hillary
End it on a high note and a new high road:

Ask Hillary to run with Barack or ask her to
be Sec. of State now! She would be great at this position, a high profile. And she and Bill can
hammer McCain all summer. Put Barack's team together
sooner than later and sweep into the fall election
with a Democratic force unseen ever...
Saying that she is the only one the can win "hard working Americans, white Americans"  Is NOT how to you unify a party it isn't how you bow gracefully out of the race it's how you play the race card when nothing else has worked for you

The super delegates NEED to act.
HRC Is very smart... She knows she cannot just drop out immediately and leave her supporters standing with their Hillary signs in their hands. In order to prevent her supporters from defecting to McBush or not voting at all due to the emotions brought out by a swift exit of the race... she will need to exit gracefully on a high note not to make it look to her supporters that she was kicked out. That is the only way to unite the party with the least amount of blood shed and defection.

Then McBush and the republicans will see an overwhelming support for Obama.
any super from md that votes clinton will NOT get my vote for re-election...especially that o'malley!!!
If Clinton was really the champion for the blue-collar voter, she would continue her campaign but quit begging them for money. She pushed the ill-fated and absurd 'gas tax holiday' to try and save the average American $30 - $40 over the summer months, but she now wants them to send their last hard-earned dollar to support her dieing campaign?? Isn't this just a ploy to help repay her millions in debt?? Is that really fighting FOR her supporters, or FOR herself?? Be gracious, HRC and really show your supporters you do have THEIR best interest at heart and quit begging them for money.

Clinton should stay in as long as people are willing to pay off her loans for her.  At this point, with over $11 million in loans to her campaign, Clinton needs to keep the appearance things are going along so that the money keeps coming in.  If she drops out, all that money is gone and she won't get paid back.  So, her supporters are simply paying off her loan from here on out.  As long as they are willing to pay off the $11 million loan with their hard earned money, then Clinton will gladly accept their charity.
These delegates see the reason for letting the rest of America vote. The fact that Obama in his usual haste cannt grasp that shows this is about him not the country or party.He will eventually see the writing and give her permission like before . So demeaning. This is to make Hillarys voters not vote for her no other reason. Obama wants to look as good as possable than he will say see how good I am and not her.
Maybe HRC will bow out gracefully. I hope so for the sake of the party. It's hard for her to come to grips that she actually lost this battle especially after assuming she'd won the race back in 2006. This was suppose to be a sure win for her.

Well, I wish her luck! Congrats Obama!!! Moving on!! Good luck.

OBAMA '08
Billary is already dead.  She just won't lay down!  She keeps making caustic remarks that are intended to weaken him.  That is sooooo not good! Its time to unite the Democratic party and beat the Repubs and Bush clones!
Obama 2008, 2012!!
What is one loyal to? To the country, to the party, or to one person?

The fact that superdelagates are not willing to commit talks more about their loyalty to a person rather than to a nation that needs healing.

I am too disappointed in superdelagates. We as citizens are supposed to be decided and pushed into a vote, but superdelagates have different standards. Are they American? Do they love their country? Does Hillary love her country?
"working, hard-working Americans, white Americans"

I am sick to death of hearing this unsupported, unscientific, race divisive crap over and over. Stop it dammit. Stop hurting America!! I am getting really pissed!!!

Where are the definitions, where are the statistics, where are the polls, where is the evidence and especially, why does it matter. Of all the diverse groups in America are whites special, elite and on a pedestal?  I am a working white male who works in an all white office in a nearly 100% white profession where people work hard and I have never heard a single person say they would not support a non-white candidate.

How do the pollsters define white and "hard working" and "working class". Are asians white; are they considered hard working? Are hispanics white; are they considered hard working? Are educated people and people in professions not hard working?  If you sit in an office are you hard working? Are the elderly and the retired who are not working considered working class?  Are women who are homemakers considered hard working or working class?

It is such nonsense. It serves no purpose but to be code words to appeal to emotions and to promote race and class divisiveness.
Billary is already dead.  She just won't lay down!  She keeps making caustic remarks that are intended to weaken him.  That is sooooo not good! Its time to unite the Democratic party and beat the Repubs and Bush clones!
Obama 2008, 2012!!
It would be a show of leadership for her to bow out gracefully and maintain her level of respect she has in the Senate.  It would also help ensure a Democratic victory in the fall.  If Obama can compete and win against a political machine like the Clintons then I think he will do just fine against Bush III.
You need to know when to hold them and when to fold them. Hillary, you fought the good fight but your opponent came out ahead. So its time to fold them. Dragging it out only makes you look like a sore loser, willing to divide the party over your own ambitions. You still have time to leave with respect and dignity.  
Senator Obama needs to put Senator Clinton away. Now.  It is one thing to be gracious in victory if your opponent is doing the same in apparent defeat.  However, Senator Clinton's latest remarks show that she intends to keep this ugly.  He needs to show strength.  Show us how you would deal with obstinate and thick-skulled world leaders.
Senator Clinton's white person argument is specious.  It is built around a notion that the 60% of whites who voted for her would not vote for Obama, yet what is ignored or dismissed is that there is a much larger black vote, young vote, college-educated vote that have voted overwhelmingly for Senator Obama.  Why is it taken as fact that they will move her way in November, yet the white working class and blue hair vote would not move his way, if he had the nomination?  The undercurrent of that - the message it sends - is that these voters are racist and cannot vote Obama, which is an argument I refuse to believe.  60% of the white working class Democratic party is not racist.  
All the primaries have done is highlight niche strongholds of a much larger Democratic platform.  I sincerely doubt that the defection to McCain with Obama as the nominee would be anywhere near as large as Senator Clinton projects.  However - Barak-afeller Republicans - of which I am one - would return to the fold if Senator Clinton is the nominee.
What has remained lost in the media noise is that Senator McCain cannot even secure 80% of the Republican primary votes running unopposed with the full backing of his ex-competitors.  That 20% of disatisfied Republicans, plus the ones already defected honestly (not the Chaos people), plus the Independents plus the record new registrants should equal a resounding victory for Senator Obama in the fall.
It's time for the general.  Senator Clinton, it's 3 AM, a phone is ringing, but it's in upstate NY, not DC.  Answer the damn phone already.
Just a matter of time before the Clinton's are put into history books where they belong. Thank you Hillary for your contribution to the democractic party and your service to this great country. You have remarkable strength and determination you fought a good fight you are a strong and confident lady. May your retirement be long lived.

Obama 08
The hurry is that she is just racking up more debt that we have to pay for. She is not going to get the nomination. She needs to stop and work on uniting the party.
I would have more respect for the Clinton campaign if they would openly justify their reasoning behind stating that Obama can't win. If they would say what they're thinking it would be America will not elect a black man for president, so the superdelegates better give the nomination to this white woman or McCain will win in November.
KJ, I agree with you wholeheartedly! It's really sad. I'm AA and I originally supported HRC. But, after the mudslinging and dirty politics started and I heard how inspiring Obama was, I shifted my support to him. It had nothing to do with RACE at all. I want a President who has everyone needs at heart and I know Obama is that candidate.

I feel that if you have a bunch of racist people who would not vote for Barack because of the race issue, then they're the one's who will be homeless, jobless no pro-choice (which would affect many women). This is one of the reasons Bush is in the WH now because of the tipping scale of Ohio and PA in 2000 and 2004. But, they're the first one's who are complaining and hurting the most. That's on them. I have NO sympathy for any of them who won't vote for the cause because they're racist. Lose your house, lose your jobs, not to be able to have a CHOICE (PRO-CHOICE), AND stay in Iraq for 100 years. YOUR CHOICE -- AFRICAN AMERICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE OR YOU'RE DOOMED.

That's life! Face the facts! Make your bed and lay in it. Don't complain!!! No sympathy! NONE!!!!!
"Media and pundits, your love for Obama is showing and is nauseating."

MSNBC:  if you respect DEMOCRACY and PEOPLES' WILL, please REFRAIN from this kind of of reporting.

For heaven's sake, you people (Press) are very damaging to the people.  Please STOP and just do your job objectively.  Do not IMPOSE your will on us!!!
I can't get posted because I won't slobber allover for obama.....you all are so biased its not even funny!

I have been reading statements from leading democrats such as Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy claiming that voters who have supported Clinton will be in the fold come November.

Wrong!

Democrat for life voting Republican slate hoping they retake the House, the Senate and the Presidency.

Hopefully, this will force my party to rebuild and restructure or cause the formation of a third party.  I can not and will not support the senator from Illinois.  I can no longer be a part of a party that has such great divisions and is about to take a sharp left hand turn away from the middle.  I can not and will not support a man who attracts such vile hateful supporters.  I can not support a man whose words I do not trust, a man who has shown no actions as a senator to excite me in any way about his ability to lead my party and be president of my country.

McCain and the Republicans in 08 so those of us abandoned by our party can find a new path, be it a rebuilt Democratic Party as this decade ends or a Third Party of left-centrists!!!!
Hillary's suporters will vote McCaine?
or
McCaine-Clinton 08

HO HO HO

Keep dreaming about that.
McCaine campaigned last few days agains "pro choice" abortion and promised to erase that low by putting more Conservative Judges into Supreme Court.

Now fellow friends from Hilarry's side; GO AHEAD :)

Shoot yourself in the stomach :)

Mick
All that will happen is simple: Let hillary go on. this gives her more time to destroy the clinton name into oblivion. Her dirty politics have exposed her true colours. And she is willing to do ANYTHING to win. However, God answers prayer!!!!!!!
nashville fan
you are so wrong he is a typical politican, but your dislike for the Clinton's just doesn't let you see it.
Come on his reverend who inspired him according to his book, has said he is just a politican!
It's amazing how all of these democratic politicians can't find their spins to tell the Clintons that its time to change course, but have no problem shouting and GW about changing courses.

That type of leadership is the reason this country is failing its citizens in health care, jobs, and security.  

A new viable third party needs to be constituted to replace these old farts that are in Washington stealing oxygen.
"Democrats Worst Nightmare: Clinton drops out of the Democratic race, and starts her run for president as an Independent."

I hope she does!

And I am sure she will have a 50/50 chance in a 3-way race with McCain.  Obama will have a 0/100 chance with McCain.

So see, Hillary can SAVE the Dems by deciding to run independent.
Hillary is starting to sound like "Baghdad Bob".
Yes, Senator Clinton is well known, but her experience in terms of politics is about level with Senator Obama's. I'm counting here her work in the Senate, not her marriage to a former president (which some apparently confuse with "experience"). I certainly wouldn't call her a "hero" as one of the previous posters repeatedly annointed her.

If this primary has shown us anything, it's that she is more interested in satisfying her own personal ambition than anything else. She would burn down the town just so she could be the mayor.

She said she was in it to win it, but winning is now virtually impossible. I have no problem with her remaining in the race, but I think her grim denial of the reality of the situation as it stands now is not doing her any kind of service.
This race has been over for some time.

We can move on to the substantive issues of the general election very quickly, if the press gives the Clinton campaign the same amount of coverage as Mike Gravel.  

Clinton and Gravel have the same chance of winning the nomination, and Clinton's campaign should be considered as newsworthy as Gravel's.
Hillary!! Only white Americans are hard working?  That's all you want as a Democratic base?  You better wise up sister or you wont get the Democratic nod for dog catcher in whatever state you carpet bag to next.
I am not a Clinton supporter, but I do feel for her because she clearly wants it very much. But I do think she needs to be realistic and recognize that perhaps the best thing she can do now is work with Obama and the party to help him gain the support of those who support her. After all, if they don't (especially women), they'll be helping McCain, and he seems bound and determined to put in new supreme court judges who will vow to reverse Roe v Wade. Even though I voted for Obama, not Clinton, if she won the nomination, the only person I'd be hurting by not choosing not to vote for her, is McCain. We need to start caring more about the issues these candidates support, not attacking eachother or the other Democratic candidate.


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