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First thoughts: Does Hillary play nice?

Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:19 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Does Hillary play nice? The big question if Clinton stays in the race is this: Just how will she campaign? Yesterday, there were no negative TV ads or attack mailers. But Clinton did stress that she can win the general, implying that Obama might not be able to. "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she told USA Today, citing her support with white working-class voters. It's comments like that one that might drive more supers toward Obama pretty quickly. Why?  Because they know the math, but they don't want her to spend three weeks making a case that Obama can't win. It will only weaken him. Here’s what Obama backer Chris Dodd said yesterday, per NBC’s Ken Strickland. "You're going to be asking a bunch of people [in West Virginia] to vote against somebody who's likely to be your nominee a few weeks later? And turn around and ask the very same people a few weeks later to reverse themselves and now vote for [Obama] on election day?"

*** A signal to superdelegates? Yesterday in West Virginia, Hillary said: "I'm staying in this race until there's a nominee." Was that a signal to superdelegates -- telling them that if you want me out of the race, come out and endorse Obama? In a way, it seemed she was almost daring supers to come out and endorse Obama. Yesterday, four did (see below), but it was just four. It that a sign of how Democrats are still afraid to be against the Clintons? Take a look at that list of undeclared supers. How many of them want to be able to always claim to the Clintons, "Hey, we were never against ya?" Of course, the Clintons will know who wasn't with them, so we're not sure what these undeclared supers will be buying by staying silently for Obama.

*** Bill’s kill rate: As we and others noted in the build-up to Tuesday’s contests, Bill Clinton worked his tail off campaigning for his wife. According to NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann, Bill famously did more than 50 campaign stops in North Carolina – all told, they encompassed a whopping 41 of the state's 100 counties. BUT: Only 18 of those counties went for Hillary Clinton. (The former president actually spent more than one long day campaigning in a string of towns, which all eventually went for Obama and by no small margin either.) For her part, Hillary Clinton did 22 stops in the Tar Heel State, for a total of fifteen counties. But she won only THREE of the counties she visited (Gastonia, Iredell, and Henderson). But where she did win, she won by a wide margin. Of the counties in her column where she or her husband campaigned in North Carolina, her AVERAGE margin of victory was almost 20 points. What about Indiana?  The former president hit 35 of the state's counties during his visits to the state. His wife won all but eight.

*** Deal or no deal? Everything we're hearing is that a deal over Florida and Michigan could be cut in the next few days. The Obama campaign apparently realizes they have plenty of room to give. The hurdle isn't Clinton and Obama anymore, though; it is folks in the DNC who believe those two recalcitrant states still need to be punished in some form, so states realize there are consequences to doing this in 2012. The latest offer from Michigan is a 69-59 split, with supers going however they want. The two state parties don't want to be halved, meaning their delegate votes become .5, a la Democrats Abroad. But it's clear to us that DNC types want some flesh on this issue. Many hate the idea of Florida and Michigan getting full delegations simply because now it appears their delegations won't make a difference in the process.

*** That’s some price tag: How do we know the superdelegate story has gotten absurd? When superdelegates begin selling their vote for $20 million. Per a report, California superdelegate Steven Ybarra is putting up his support for that amount. “Ybarra wants every cent of the $20 million to go toward registering and educating eligible Mexican-American voters… He thinks his own party is crazy for not aggressively pursuing the Mexican-American vote especially with such a large Mexican-American population in the southwest.”

*** Team Edwards climbing aboard? Today, word is out that Edwards manager David Bonior is officially endorsing Obama. What about his former boss? Well, John Edwards will be on TODAY tomorrow. Will we see an endorsement from him? Also of note, Elizabeth Edwards is testifying on Capitol Hill today. We're sure some reporter will get her to comment on whether Clinton should stay or go and we're sure Edwards has an opinion about it.

*** The delegate drip: Obama picked up four superdelegates to Clinton’s net of one yesterday. George McGovern is not a superdelegate, but Obama did pick up a switcher, a Virginia DNC member. Here are the counts: PLEDGED: Obama 1,588-1,422; SUPERDELEGATES: Clinton 273.5-260; OVERALL: 1,848-1.695.5. The superdelegate count is the closest it has ever been. Remember that on Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, Clinton had a 90-delegate advantage, per our count. Obama is 177 from the Magic Number of 2,025. There are 261.5 undeclared superdelegates. And there are still two delegates from Indiana and five from North Carolina to be allocated.

*** On the trail: Clinton holds rallies in Charleston, WV and Sioux Falls, SD and a town hall in Oregon; McCain appears live with Regis and Kelly, raises money in New Jersey, and attends the Time 100 Gala; and Obama is in DC, where he meets with Democratic superdelegates and raises money. Also, Bill Clinton campaigns in West Virginia.
 
Countdown to West Virginia: 5 days
Countdown to Kentucky and Oregon: 12 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 180 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 257 days
 
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A very key point at the beginning of the article:

"You're going to be asking a bunch of people [in West Virginia] to vote against somebody who's likely to be your nominee a few weeks later? And turn around and ask the very same people a few weeks later to reverse themselves and now vote for [Obama] on election day?"

We'll see how the SD's respond to that key point. Do they continue sitting on the sidelines at the expense of their potential nominee - or do they act quickly for the good of the party?
Does Hillary really want to wait until after Kentucky to quit and risk being compared to that other unfortunate philly?
Hillary is actually providing cover to the anti-black element of the Democratic party. She has to know this is true. By stirring this pot in places like West Virginia which is predominately white, she will make it more difficult for a black man to win in November. Is she a racist herself? Emphatically NO! Is she a deeply self centered woman who would do anything to win, even sell her soul to the devil? Emphatically Yes!
You didn't even touch on the worst phrase from that USA Today interview -

"Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again"

That's not playing nice, it's blatant race-baiting.

I am soneone who actually likes Obama and Clinton.  I do not think they should share the same ticket because they have distinct styles and differences that do not fit naturally.  Maybe Hillary wants the Supers to make their move so she can claim she never quit.  Which would be a good thing for her and possibly her political future.

It may be time for the Clintons to start developing their Chelsea strategy so that she can Be the first woman elected to the presidency.  She is young and bright and more aligned with the voters who support Obama.  She just happens to have a Mom who is running for President.

By the way I am an African-American and I say GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
Obama supporters - Please give Hillary time to graciously step aside. This will help unify the party. Hillary is a smart and tough person. Her strength and energy will be a great asset in a unified democratic party that will defeat the republicans in the fall.

"But Clinton did stress that she can win the general, implying that Obama might not be able to. "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she told USA Today, citing her support with white working-class voters. It's comments like that one that might drive more supers toward Obama pretty quickly. Why?  Because they know the math, but they don't want her to spend three weeks making a case that Obama can't win. It will only weaken him"

This could not be more accurate.  Clinton is just going to keep digging Obama a hole that will be incredibly diffcult to dig out of.  Clinton knows she can't win this nomination, but she also knows if Obama wins in November, her shot at ever running again are lost.  The only way she will get another shot is if McCain wins the general election.  Selfish politics at its best.    
I agree Pajama Pundit, Clinton needs to play nice. At this point super delegates should force the issue, perhaps play nice or we'll help unseat you in 2010 senate race.

Obama's campaign should try dangling carrot in her face to force the play nice issue:

1. Let the race continue to May 20. Obama will get a win in Oregon and Clinton will win big in Kentucky and then exit.She will get to leave the race on a high note.

2. To encourage both Clintons to aggressively campaign for him, consider giving Bill the Ambassador to the UN and Hil a cabinet post or put her in charge of Health care.

3. Offer VP to one of her surrogates, possibly Bayh, Tom Vilsack (grew up in PA)  or Wes Clark. I don't know enough about Strickland and whether his politics can mesh with Obama's. Rendell would be a disaster-he's the wheeler dealer kind of backroom old school politician. Current internal polls show PA supporting Obama over McCain so the argument that only Hil can win PA is moot.
Do the words it over now mean anything to the clintons.HILLARY IT"S OVER !!!
LET IT GO. HAVE THE GRACES TO DO SO.IT'S SENATOR OBAMA TURN
WILL YOU REALLY HELP TO UNITE THE PARTY OR WILL DESTORY IT.SUPPORTER




I don't see as many Hillary supporters on the blogs these days, could it be her supporters have gone underground, invoking secrecy and reclusiveness.
This could create another generation of control freak grannies and catholics that are bitter and who knows may even turn to bombing government buildings like the weatherman. And sensing their days of controlling the DNC are over may actually create a third party
and all the old Democrats and Adults will be chanting the chorus "the way to change is to work inside the system."
Just a not so sober prediction meant to amuse




If she puts the party and the people ahead of her self much of the respect the Clintons have lost can be restored.  She's not widely trusted or liked as it is and if she pursues negative campaigning against Sen. Obama her career could be ruined.  She and Bill need to realize that Barack Obama is going to be the head of the party and accept the fact.
Why won't the media tell the truth regarding blue colla workers? Here in Pennsylvania the labor union vote that went to Hillary in the primary will go to wheoever the Democratic nominee is in November. I think's totally insincere to say that Obama can't get the blue collar vote. Blue Collar Democrats may prefer Clinton over Obama, but they will definitely prefer Obama over McCain.
Honestly, whats the sense of voting if superdelegates will override it anyway. Nice message to send to the kids; Way to go democracy. Don't talk to me about disenfranchising voters in self-disqualifying Michigan and Florida when you're looking for the superidots to do exactly that for all of the states you didn't win. Not to mention, you voted for the rule AND agreed NOT to campain in either state, which you did, but since a landslide victory, or a victory at all for that matter, is not coming your way, it's now time for you to flip flop and demand the delegates get seated. Maybe you should start putting more thought into your votes before you submit your ballot, ie, the Iraq war...By the way, watch out for those snipers!
A deal is definitely in the works.  I think it will look like this:

1. Senator Obama is the nominee.
2. Michigan and Florida delegates are seated at the convention.  Michigan is 50/50 while Florida goes based on the vote.
3. Senator Clinton instructs her superdelegates to throw their support behind Senator Obama.
4. The Obama campaign must assist the Clinton campaign with debts.
5. The Clintons must be true to their word and campaign for Senator Obama.
6. Both former President Clinton and Senator Clinton get to address the National Convention in Denver.

I agree with any assessment that Senator Clinton's statements to the press were a signal to the superdelegates that if they want this ended they should make their move.  This would allow her to keep her dignity and allow her to say, "I was in it until the end."
I am no Hillary Clinton fan but she has shown guts and clearly demonstrated that she can take a punch and come back. A quality we need in our President. The dainty, elite, high talking and an "empty suite" regular politician like Barak Obama has no chance against John McCain. Hillary did. Democrats are afraid and are pandering to the black voters. They are scared to death of them. But then pandering comes natural to the Democrats. Without pandering to the minorities (and I am one), there is nodemocratic party.
The democrats have a death wish and they will go with a shifty but oratorical candidate who morphs in to a a cheap politician that he really is, the moment the light starts shining on him.
I do not want to see a man who for twenty years set in the church and listened to the vile trash his pastor spewed against my country, which was all lies. He then had the temerity to first say that Geremiah Wright was taken out of context; then he said that he was a like a father to him and he could not leave him any more than disown his own grand-mother; then he said he never heard the comments - he was not present when the comments were made (can any one believe this lie); then he said he disagrees with the comments but would not resign from the church; then he said that he disowned Geramiah Wright because of the hatemongring he reperesented. He lied continuously and consistently to save his chances for the party nomination.
All along he has been the cheap politician he claims not to be.
The question for the voters is how much of Wright's philosophy he really subsribes to?
My prediction.....an untrustworthy, empty suite who would loose to John McCain in a land slide. Hillary would have the last word and the last laugh.
Why even trust the voters anymore? Obviously that didn't work, look at the mess the voters have created. Why don't the Democrats just get all their elites in a room and decide their nominee?
How does she have a broader base of support if she's behind in the popular vote?  Can someone explain that one to me, please?
What an absolute fool she is making of herself. The people surrounding her are desperate and really de-tracting from the Party. Does not anyone close to her
truly care about her?  This rule disregard in ref to
Fl & Mi is so damn trashy. Sen Clinton please look in
the mirror have two more "shots" and go to the beach.
What a relief it will be for all democrats when this slug-fest is done.  I would urge all superdelegates to SUPPORT THE NOMINEE.  It's inevitable now, and Hillary Clinton should not hold a grudge against people for speeding up the timetable toward party unity.

As for Edwards, his 26 pledged delegates could jump Obama much closer to a delegate majority that Clinton could not overcome.  Maybe that would give superdelegates 'permission' to hop off the fence.

As for FL and MI, maybe they could get .75 votes instead of a full vote?  Or maybe they could be forced to the back of the primary calendar for the next contest...  
Stay in the race, Hillary!!!

* William Ayers.
* Obama's wife's $200,000 raise and the $1 million earmark he requested for her employer.
* Obama's $8,000 per month payments from Robert Blackwell Jr. and the letter Obama wrote requesting a grant for him.
* His crooked real estate deal with Tony Rezko which resulted in a $300,000 financial benefit to Obama.
* Obama writing a letter requesting support for Rezko while in the state legislature.
* And much more.

Obama is as CROOKED as a politician can get.  The liberal journalists have spun Obama as an agent of "change" who will "clean up Washington", but this is all fiction for Obama's actions are concrete PROOF of who he is as a human being:  dirty and crooked.

Hillary should go after this like a Democrat voter on a welfare check. These are not personal attacks, but are character references.  Obama is a shady character.
The supers are not afraid of the Clintons. The supers are afraid BHO cannot win the GE; and rightly so.

If BHO is nominee, the Dems will once again prove their strongest quality is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
What a relief it will be for all democrats when this slug-fest is done.  I would urge all superdelegates to SUPPORT THE NOMINEE.  It's inevitable now, and Hillary Clinton should not hold a grudge against people for speeding up the timetable toward party unity.

As for Edwards, his 26 pledged delegates could jump Obama much closer to a delegate majority that Clinton could not overcome.  Maybe that would give superdelegates 'permission' to hop off the fence.

As for FL and MI, maybe they could get .75 votes instead of a full vote?  Or maybe they could be forced to the back of the primary calendar for the next contest...  
I totally agree Pj Pundit. Now is time for them to start saber rattling against John McBush. I am of the impression that she is willing to play nice we shall see.  To those Hillary Clinton supporters please join over to Team Obama if you candidate backs out of the race.We can use your enthusiam on this side . remember we really are on the same team and have the same goal. To remove Bush and his cronies from Washington. If you are not sure , Yes John McCain is a Bush crony. He authorized the war in Iraq , and now he wants to introduce ultra conservative judges to the Supreme Courts. He said 100 years in Iraq would be ok with him, then added if no one was getting hurt or killed.  That is a big part of his foreign policy, he does not understand that those people over there dont want us there. It is high time we as America get something out of this war.  I have family and friends fighting over there.  McBush wants to fight a third war in Iran as well. The wheels have fallen off the Straight Talk Express. There was a time when I even admired John McCain but shortly after the war began I noticed a change in McCain. I did not like the changes I saw .
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SUPERDELEGATES TO HILLARY:

Drop Out - or - Drop Dead.

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Please Assume Position..

Panic has struck; some just can't stop clucking...
I think Hillary is simply setting the stage for Barak's campaign to assume her campaign debt and she has decided until that decision is made, she and Bill will keep the tab rolling.  She has nothing to lose at this point so the best thing to do is make Barak pay her campaign debt.  I think the WV and Kentucky voters are going to surprise Hillary and Bill.  The problems with Hill and Bill is that they never imagined losing the campaign to anyone.  And that is because they have been out of touch with the american people since Bill left office.  Had Hillary not been the wife of Bill Clinton her votes would be even more staggering.  She should have ran on her own coat tail like everyone else.  
Do you honestly think that the Clinton supporters will unite if Obama is elected?????

Obama supporters cant believe that Clinton supporters will not back Obama if he is nominated....
I see it all over the boards.."time to unite"...oh the Clinton supporters is just saying that...they will come around...

I GOT NEWS FOR YOU....CLINTON SUPPORTERS
will cross party lines and vote for McCain...and you better believe the swing voters and independents will vote for McCain......Hillary has a better chance of to defeat McCain.....but oh these Obama supporters...si idealistically pathetic following an EMPTY SUIT WHO IS TO LIBERAL and not MODERATE!...

So if Obama supporters think that Clinton supporters will back up Obama if he is nominated....
think again!!!!

you cant fathom the logic, cant believe it, find it stupid  that we will do this

as a Clinton supporter,  all I have to say is ..
whatever.....................go back and drink your koolaid! and be prepared for handing the whitehouse to McCain...
What is really going to torque off the Obama-nuts is when Hillary endorses McCain.
I am a yellow dog democrat all my life in Texas.  But I have not liked how Hillary and Bill have been treated by Obama's campigan and his supporters.  As A 50 year old women who is a union worker I am not happy how my vote or support has been cast aside and made to be unimportant.  Will I vote this Novemmber I can not say now.  The Democratic party should not expect people like me to just come running back becuase so far Obama has not given me a reason to vote for him.  
A vote for obama is a vote for the prosperity of the black communities, which is needed, however...

A Vote for Hillary is a vote for the Prosperity of all Americans.
 Hillary NEEDS to concede NOW - it's got to be embarrassing for her to hear her campaign members say that it's over. She still has time to leave with her dignity and a possible presidency intact.

And many kudos to Obama for being diplomatic and kind - it's one of the many reasons why I will vote for him in the fall.  If he was in her situation right now, she'd be sending death threats to his camp.  

Obama 008
If she has a much broader base, then why isn't she winning overall...and isn't Obama doing better in the States with the open primaries (which bear a little more resemblance to GE voting)?  Is she saying her campaign is incompetent.  As Desi said to Lucy, "I think you have some spaining to do."
The best interest of the Democratic party is to not elect an inexperienced candidate with no record of accomplishments.

Please name one legislative accomplishment of Obama.

Please decide! Her "Impossible Dream is so Over.
Hillary acts like we should now believe her after all the bad things she's done?
Maybe Hillary has another new rule--Unity.  Yesterday she said under the Republican rules e.g. "winner takes all”. Until she officially bows out; she'll help Obama. But, Obama must pay her campaign debt. philosophy

In addition to her "states of denial" (pun intended), I see another critical state.  Hillary's campaign is broke which is due to mismanagements. I can’t see her managing this nation’s economy because of this (one of her imperfections); I'm not sneering; I’m serious.  We're all human; make mistakes; but we usually learn from those. Hillary hasn't. Florida, Michigan, West Virginia, the rest of the states, winner takes all, momentum, Obama is not electable; or whatever she conjures the numbers just are not there.
I suggest one of Hillary's New Rules should be studying accounting 101.

Next, REALLY help Obama; and don’t change the game again. Unity to the party is needed. Then she can bow out gracefully; if you’re planning your future in Republican rules.
Mc Cain/Clinton.


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