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Clinton continues to tout electability

Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:56 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
CHARLESTON, WV -- Calling West Virginia “a test” for herself and Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton made her case to local voters and those watching elsewhere that she is most electable in the fall.

“I’m winning Catholic voters and Hispanic voters and blue-collar workers and seniors, the kind of people that Sen. McCain will be fighting for in the general election,” she said. “Now some call you swing voters. I call you Americans.”

It wasn’t just swing voters -- but swing states -- that she argued were on her side, rattling off the states that she’s won in primaries, including Michigan and Florida (where neither Clinton nor Obama campaigned).

“Now the delegate math may be complicated, but the electoral math is easy,” she said. We need 270 electoral votes to win in November.”

Speaking directly to those on hand, she said West Virginia was another such state that needs to be in the Democratic column, adding that while polls show her doing well here, she wants “to do really well.” Earlier, she implicitly said that she’s targeting the so-called Reagan Democrats.

“I think it’s fair to say that West Virginia is a test,” she said. “It’s a test for me and it’s a test for Senator Obama. Because for too long we have let places like West Virginia slip out of the Democratic column... I remember these are the voters right here in West Virginia who delivered two terms to President Reagan and two terms to President Clinton, and I like that outcome better.”

She called the “hard-working voters” of the Mountain State the “heart and soul of the Democratic Party and the backbone of our victory in November.

“We’ve always said were the party of the people haven’t we?” she said. “We’re the party of the waitress on her feet. We’re the party of the nurse on the night shift. We’re the party of the worker on the line, and we’re the party of the coal miner on the job. We’re the party of the hardworking people of West Virginia. We stand with you and we will stand up for you.”

Clinton spoke to a small crowd inside the State Capitol building here, after organizers scrapped plans for an outdoor rally due to weather. She was introduced by first lady Gail Manchin, who praised her record as senator and first lady but offered no endorsement. Clinton said she had met before the rally with Gov. Joe Manchin, a first-term Democrat who remains in the ranks of uncommitted superdelegates.

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SOMEONE GET HER A MATH TUTOR!
Hope my comments get posted because they haven't been to this point.  

"I have a much more broader base… hardworking white Americans…and these are the people you need to win the election, everybody knows that".
How is that not racist? Everbody like who… her campaign and her supports? Everbody that matters to her?
Hardworking non-whites don't count because their votes are not significant? Senator Obama's wins don't count, because of the large number of non-white votes he received? The votes casted for Senator Obama by whites doesn't count because they are not hardworking or because they don't support her? First small states didn't count, then caucauses didn't count, and now non-white voters don't count.
Yes, she's won larger percentages of white voters than Senator Obama in the last few states that have voted, but she's still not ahead.  Senator Obama has received a lot of white and non-white votes in every state. Her arguments are flawed and insulting.  Anyone who suggests that Senator Obama is racist because he won 90% of the black vote in South Carolina, or suggest that all blacks who vote for Senator Obama are racist are clueless.  Senator Obama understands that he needs votes from all segments of the population and he has not dismissed any of his voters.  Blacks only account for approximately 12% of the national population.  I’m black and I voted for President Clinton twice.  Now I’m being labeled a racist because I voted for Obama.  That’s ridiculous and insulting.  
If Senator Obama had said such a thing he would've been tarred and feathered by the media and the Democratic Party. White voters would have certainly been outraged, and rightfully so, if Senator Obama had said that only hardworking non-white voters are important, or white female votes don’t matter.
All votes count…no matter who casts them. No one group of people is more important than another group of people. Her statements reinforce racism and says to racists that it's okay to be racist…, that is if you’re a white racist. Her statements imply that the votes of people who have not voted for her don't actually count. Her statements scream look at my votes, look who has voted for me because they are the only votes that matter. Her statements are a smack in the face to the non-white voters that have supported her throughout her campaign and the white voters who have not supported her campaign.  She acts as if she is entitled to the presidency and anyone who does not agree with her be dam-ed.
Senator Clinton is DISGRACEFUL. She owes the American people an apology for her statements.
she' lost her mind
But, it is the delegate math that counts.  Sorry.
If Hillary is so electable, why is she losing?

Why has she been losing for a long time now?

Why has'nt she won?
Whatever!
Dear Mrs. Clinton,

Contrary to what you may believe. YOU CANNOT WIN. Also contrary to what you may believe, WE DO NOT OWE THIS ELECTION TO YOU. You are far too polarizing to ever even  THINK about winning a general election.

Besides, you stayed with your husband, who has cheated on you more times than you can possibly imagine. What does that say about your judgment?

Sincerely,

Cory
http://www.politivine.com
Every day, it becomes more and more clear that her goal is now a 2012 candidacy

She sickens me . . . she would push the party and the entire country under the wheels of the bus for her own selfish, power-hungry reasons

“Now some call you swing voters. I call you Americans.”

Because the groups I didn't mention aren't really Americans...
I'm so sick of her load of bull.  Now West Virginia is a "test"?  Every damn state she is favored in heavily is a "test" but every state she's not doesn't matter.

Go away.  We don't want you.  You are a disgrace to women with your pathetic lies, pandering, and gender card playing.
Could someone please explain what exactly is the "white working class"? Does it only exist in PA, OH, IN, NJ, WV? What do we call the white folks who work in IA, WY, MN, WI, NC, ND, WA?
When your negatives are at 54, and 60 percent of the country thinks you're dishonest, even graded on a curve for politicians, you're pretty low on the electability list. Maybe above Barry Bonds, but that's about it.
How many more "tests" is she going to need to pass?  This is bordering on insanity. She touts the will of the people but she is behind in every level popular vote and including both Florida adn Michagin and in the delegate counts. By her reasoning all those voters should be "disenfranchised" because she wants to be president.

The superdelegates need to step up now and finish this once and for all. There is a presupmtive candidate, Obama, but they are all afraid of hurting her and her followers. Keep this up and more people will switch to the dark side.
"Now the delegate math may be complicated"

What is complicated about the math?  Just because it's not in her favor doesn't make it complicated.  Could she be any more pathetic?  
west virginia is only a test in so far as it is part and parcel of the larger democratic primary process, in which Obama holds a daunting if not entirely unsurpassable lead.
Oh! All of a sudden she cares about a small State? Clinton and supporters use the word naive towards Obama and his voters as if...
Ya, go ahead and vote for her cus she is a coal miners daughter today.
This is why its impossible to try to take the high road with HRC....I am beginning to think she has a mental problem.  June 3rd  can not come soon enough
More identity politics from the Democrats. Republicans only appeal to one demographic -- Americans.
I hope blacks are enough to win in November.

What is more racist

Blacks voting for Obama because he is black

or

Whites not voting for Obama because he is black

McCain 08
She's so predictable.  She makes a horrible disgusting statement that all of her white supporters are too racist to vote for Obama, and then picks one of the most racist states to try and "prove her point"?  How well did Obama do in Maine, Idaho, Washington, Wisconsin, and a lot of other VERY white states?
I'm really tired of Hillary with her low blow comments.  We've all known for months Hillary is expected to win WV, it only remains a test for her.  I was beginning to feel a little sorry for her after her speech in Indiana, thinking she was trying to take the high road.  Not any longer.

There must be a lot of truth to the outdoor events due to lack of money, because her rally was move into the State Capitol and I'm pretty sure that was free too.
Hillary doesn't believe that there are hard-working blacks, just hard-working whites.

We don't need her as our nominee....
You get those poor, white, hispanic, catholic disenfranchised voters you and your husband left behind because you so embarrassed the White House and brought so much disgrace to democrats, that GWB walked right into the white house and destroyed our country.

Their pain was brought on by YOU and your patheitc, lying husband!

You don't get a mulligan, Mrs.Clinton
More lies. Period end of story - just like you campaign. Did you ever notice every time there is a picture of her in the media her mouth is wide open? :)

Regardless, HRC must have some cheap stingy followers if her campaign is that far in debt. Is this who you want running the economy? Oh that's right, she doesn't listen to experts like economists. Must be the explanation why she can't budget her campaign finances.
Hillary has lost her last grip on reality. She is currently living in the state of DENIAL.  Someone needs to shake her and tell her it's just a dream, and it's over.  YOU LOST.  Move on with your life.
I guess she has proven her "electability" by getting slaughtered all across the country. Somebody needs to take a peek at the scoreboard.
Wow, this is really sad.  In light of her earlier statement that she has the uneducated white American vote and that shows she's more electable, she is now saying West Virginia (my home state) is a "test" for both her and Obama.  I can just see her telling her staff, "See, I'll show them that a state that doesn't have so many African Americans will go for me, not him."  Is this the divisive message she wants to throw in everyone's face rather than unite the party and ultimately the country?

Also noted that she was speaking to a "small crowd" and has not received the endorsement of the Governor or First Lady standing there with her.  

Speaking as a well-educated white native West Virginian who supports Obama for his positive message of hope and unity, simply put...please stop this.  Don't let this become your legacy.
Obama is the presumptive winner, but yet he keeps losing primaries. Why? The last time this happened , we ended up with Jimmy Carter as president. We all remember how that worked out.
“I’m winning Catholic voters and Hispanic voters and blue-collar workers and seniors, the kind of people that Sen. McCain will be fighting for in the general election,” she said. “Now some call you swing voters. I call you Americans.”

These sound like code-words....., the more I hear Hillary, the more I think she will say or do 'Anything' to win.

(independent)
So, the rest of the country's voters mean nothing.  If you were the one the American people wanted, you would be in the lead.  Obviously, something is missing here.
I must now assume that she just doesn't know how to campaign with grace or at least not being negative.  It can also be determined that this is how she would have attempted to govern.  It is time for her to go now.  There is no "test" left for you and Sen. Obama because he along with a majority of the voters have already defeated you.  Now is the time for unity and leadership but it appears that Sen. Clinton is incapable of either.  It's time Supers, it's time.
Superdelegates, how much should the party and the country sacrifice for Clinton to have her anti-victory lap?  She is doing harm with this ill-advised grace period.
Watching Michelle, and Barack, ascend the stairs to the podium Tuesday night, I was struck by their extraordinary marriage.

Both of them are highly intelligent, ethical, hardworking, and above all courageous.

I am impressed with them, and am so excited at the thought of having them as the first couple.

Michelle, in her tangerine colored frock, and Barack clutching her waist, were a vision of loveliness, and strength which invokes a breath of fresh air we have not seen in a Presidential couple in decades.  
Now the delegate math may be complicated, but the electoral math is easy,” she said. We need 270 electoral votes to win in November.
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Nothing complicated here: Obama wins delegates.  Electoral math does not play until the general election.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
Mrs. Clinton persists in insulting the intelligence of the American electorate. The only test she has left is the test of her credibility --- and that has been repeatedly proven to be nonexistent. The woman is a liar and a cheat and a low-ball race-baiter. Those who still support her are morons of the worst sort!
"Now the delegate math may be complicated,..."

Uhhh... No, it's not: he has more delegates and votes, you can't catch up, so you lose. It's really quite simple. And what, exactly, is VA going to be a "test" of? She will win it by a large amount - everyone already knows that. And everyone has already factored a VA victory into the "complicated" math. You still lose! Guess what? You'll win KY big too. And you'll still lose. We have already added those numbers into the equation, it matters not.

She is NOT going to win, so really all that's left is her reputation and how she will be remembered. And quite frankly, she is making a fool of herself at this point.
Well at least she stopped short of saying the only people that matter are poor, uneducated whites that vote for me.
Clinton my advice is to stay in it as long as you want, but stay civil. And if she thinks Obama should help with her debt she has another thing coming. I do not want any of my hard earned money to go towards her and her squandering away her cash.
Its this sort of parsing, recasting of facts, and dismissal of the rules that causes me to dread another Clinton presidency.  Nothing that she's said lately gives me confidence that Senator Clinton wants to win for any reason greater than because she sees a victory as assuring her place in history will be equal to her husband's.  The gas tax 'holiday' charade is undeniable evidence of her disdain for the intelligence of the voters she courts.  Her strategy at this point seems to be to continue with the campaign in order to split the Democratic party sufficiently to allow a running start for John McCain, a candidate who would be mostly a place-holder in any other election cycle.  Her actions, statements, and management during this campaign speak poorly of her possible Presidency.  Squandering an enormous lead in the polls, in financing, in name-recognition, political connections, influence, etc., only to selfishly prolong her party's (if she still feels allegiance to it) chance at recapturing the White House shows her to be so self-absorbed as to make her unfit to be President.

  We don't need a female G W.
If she is still hinging her argument on electability based on poll results and/or primary wins, then she is basing her electability on nothing that is particularly relevant to the General Election.  Polls change with the wind and certainly aren't relevant six months prior to the election (if you looked at polls six months ago, they would tell you a very different story about this primary season).  Even polls taken a few days ago were very wrong in Indiana and North Carolina.  You would overturn the process for that?

And similar arguments on using primary results to pick general election ones.  Does she think we're stupid, does she think the superdelegates are stupid.  Honestly...she is making herself look desparate by rehashing these same arguments.

One wonders if needing to raise funds to pay of enormous campaign debt is an issue here...I'm just not sure this isn't a compelling reason she's continuing at this point.  I think this has become a legitimate issue.  Every day she stays in (and opens her mouth with some of these arguments) she risks dividing the Party a little more.

Obama for our best future.

Does anyone recognize how this hurts the Democratic chances?  At what point do the Supers step in and stop this?  The only rationale for her to move forward is to further weaken Obama so that she can run in 2012.  This is suicide, only we're being forced to go along with her for the ride.  Someone, anyone please, please stop her.
oh ya, educated people and young people and bloack people don't count. Liberals don't count, independents don't count

plus these people will go to obama in nov regardless who the nominee is.

I was for let her stay in but if she is going to marginalize him as a black candidate... then foget her.
So in other words, she is winning the so-called swing voters, while he is winning the (black) voters that she could just take for granted if she is the nominee. Just because blacks have historically voted Democrat doesn't mean she can just take them for granted, especially if she and the party elders push him aside because they think she's more electable because she wins white voters. That's essentially saying that white votes in the primaries count more than black votes, and as a white person I am mad as hell about that.
Since most people haven't noticed, this is not a conventional race with conventional maps.Obama has changed the game for the Democrats & made them competitive in much more states.We all know the blue states will automatically go Obama.I think to everyone's surprise he'll pull an upset with IN(IL's neighbor).When Obama first started this race they said he could not win the predominantly white states which he did.The pundits can predict all they want, but I think he will do much better than anyone expects.What the pundits don't understand is that most people would vote for Mickey Mouse over 100 years of war.And McCain makes Rev Wright look like an angel.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------THIS WAS MY POST 2 WEEKS AGO.IF MY PREDICTIONS KEEP GOING THE SAME JOHN MCCAIN IS TOAST!!!!
The supers are going to have to come in an euthanize 8 Belles. It's the democratic party not the Clinton party. It's looking more & more that she's going to go out as a bitter candidate & try & further divide the party.
Here's a really good description of The Math:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24508854#24508854

It helped me understand what the talk is about and makes it harder for me to understand Clinton's position of hope.
"What is more racist
Blacks voting for Obama because he is black"
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Obama isn't getting the black vote because he's black (if you remember, Hillary had the majority of black votes not too long ago, and Obama was black back then). He is getting the black vote because the Clinton campaign has been so ridiculously disrespectful to a group that has supported them through thick and thin. It's not about voting for Obama because he's black, many are voting for Obama because he is not Hillary.
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How can she call herself more electable when she is losing elections?

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So, in Sen.Clinton's view if am a blue collar
Catholic,with a Hispanic last name over 60 I won't vote for Barrck Obama?  Instead I'll vote for a man who sought the endorsement of and embraces a Reverend
who call the Catholic Church" THE GERAT WHORE"
That's not going to happen
What is she trying to do - split the party further?  How is this helpful for either her, BO, or the DNC?  Primaries are not based on electoral college votes - DUH.  Yes, Dems will need electoral votes for Nov, so who is she campaigning for, McSame?

I thought she could end this on a high note and leave with dignity, however I am being proved wrong yet again.  This woman should be stopped NOW.

P.S. I wish she would stop assuming that all white, hard working Americans are voting for her and to stop underestimating our intelligence.
Give me a freakin' break....now West Virginia is the new Pennsylvania????  Yeah right!!!

Obama's margin of victory in Oregon is going to be around 8-10%.  West Virginia is going to be very close like Indiana, HRC probably holds on by a thread.  Obama will win Kentucky by single digits, Montana will be Obama, and the Dakota that's left is probably going Obama as well.

It's over folks, just face it.  Obama is the nominee.


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